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"a lot of people are really confused by this concept. "
I don't think so. With windows they didn't have a centralized repository of software that runs on their machine. With Xandros it's right on the desktop. Click on it and there is all the software that will run on your machine. Once you get used to that why would you spend hours looking for software on the internet?
"but windows users mainly want that "download file, run, program installed" process."
That's only because that's all they know. Xandros offers a much better way and I don't see anybody wanting to go back to the crappy windows way of doing it especially since 90% of the stuff you download is likely to be infected.
It's easier to install software with Xandros then it is with windows.
First of all it's all in one place. You don't have to search the web to find it, you just fire up the gui and search.
Secondly there is no download, save to disk, double click, unzip, answer click OK 5 times, input a 30 digit CD key or anything like that. Just click and go.
The best part is the updating is done the same way.
Way better then windows.
I tried all the distros and xandros was the best for me.
" Advertising usually affects the reptilian part of brains, preying on our patriotism (truck ads), "
This reminds me of something I saw the other day. There was a big old truck (F350) relatively new stopped at a light in front of me. The bed was empty except for a full size american flag that was tied to a broomstick which was attached to rear corner of the truck.
It's hard to know how long that flag had been there but it was in horrible shape. It was dirty and wet and the leading edge has been torn to shreds by the wind.
When I was in the military we were thought to respect the flag. We were told that you don't fly the flag in the rain, if you were going to fly the flag at night it had to be lit, the flag could never touch the ground, it had to be spotlessly clean and of course it could not be torn.
This bozo in front of me probably thought he was a patriotic god fearing american when in reality he could not be disgracing the flag more.
It made me mad, disgusted, and amused all at the same time. The idea that this guy would probably thinks of himself as a patriot but would beat the shit out of (or shoot) anybody who told him not to treat the flag that way.
Anyway the point is that you can convince anybody of anything. This guy bought it hook, line and sinker. He is probably driving his truck, listening to toby keith and thinking himself one fine american all the while his flag continues to disintegrate in the wind.
Americans love to fuck other countries. It's sport to them.
It's like that movie said. We are dicks, we fuck the pussies (french, democrats, actors, environmentalists etc) and the assholes (koreans, arabs, and other strangely hued humans). Our only crime is that sometimes we fuck too much.
Come on now, who doesn't want to be a big old dick and fuck all the pussies and assholes of the world. What could possibly be better then to shove your dick into some asshole or pussy.
It doesn't matter what I think, I haven't done the experiments. I haven't done the studies. I haven't come up with the theories. I haven't published in journals. I haven't done the peer reviews.
It doesn't matter what I think. What does matter is the opinion of the people who are experts at the subject and who have done all of the above.
You go ahead and feel free to ignore them though. I am sure Rush LImbaugh is giving you better advice then they are.
" Ahh, so I am a dumbass because I'm simply not convinced that global warming is a man-made phenomenon?"
No, you are a dumbass because you see scientific consensus as evidence that something is not true.
"I have never stated that we should just keep going the way we have been. I've never even stated that I don't believe global warming is happening."
Really?
Article: There is scientific consensus that global warming is going happening and is caused by humans. You: Scientists have been wrong before.
Nice attempt at backtracking though.
"All I've ever said this entire time is that THE JURY IS STILL OUT!"
To dumbasses like you it is. To the people who actually study the stuff,have actually done the expriments etc the jury is in. You don't believe the scientists because they are telling you something you don't want to hear.
"What's wrong with a little critical thinking?"
Nothing. Oh wait a minute are you implying that you are doing critical thinking?
"I made no assumptions that you were an idiot, yet you jumped all over me like white on rice."
I also made no assumptions that you were an idiot. I came to that conclusion after reading your posts. You are an idiot. Sorry to break the news to you.
"Finally, the scientific processs is not a matter of gathering a consensus, it is process for hypothisizing and testing."
WOW. REALLY? I didn't know that. Thanks for telling me. But tell me something. What's the use of making hypothesis and then testing and experimenting if some asshole on slashdot doesn't believe you after you are done. I mean what's the use of science at all? Science can't be trusted because scientists have been wrong before. Right?
"It is not the process of nodding your head in agreement because most of the people in the room are nodding their heads too."
Why that's brilliant!. It's much better when faced with a mountain of scientific evidence to simply say "you guys have been wrong before so the jury is still out!".
" Wow. I'm impressed with your knowledge of what is stunningly stupid."
I know stupid when I see it.
"Science is notorious for NOT being able to prove anything with complete certainty."
There is never certainty when it comes to inductive processes. You are not certain that the sun is going to come up tommorow.
"You can't accept something as 'true', only 'likely'; especially when confronted with processes and a whole field of science that has an infinite number of unknowns."
And yet you manage to act as if the sun is going to come up tommorow. Despite all that encertainty.
"What!?!? Now I know we CAN'T have a sane discussion! You are a lemming, my friend."
No we can't have a discussion. You are a dumbass. A complete idiot who is unaware of how the scientific process works. Here let me illustrate.
Me: There is a scientific concensus that there is global warming and that it's caused by human beings. We should act now to minimize our adverse impact on the environment.
You: Scientists have been wrong before, so we should ignore them because they are wrong this time too. We should just keep going the way we have been.
What you say is probably true for your typical braindead CIO but then again your typical braindead CIO would not even consider linux. If a CIO is smart enough to consider linux then he is smart enough to know that fedora and redhat are the same.
"Noooo, nice try. It just means we need to be more critical and not exercise 'democratic science'. Saying we should dismiss *any* scientific consensus sarcastically does not help the discussion."
What the hell does that mean? Here let me paraphrase you. "whenever there is a scientific concensus we should not belive it, we should be even more critical."
So when do you go from being "more critical" to accepting something as being true? Never? When there is no consensus? When there is unanimous consensus?
"Too bad, maybe this could have been a compelling discussion."
It's pretty hard to have a compelling discussion when confronted with such an absurd statement. The idea that we should be more critical when there is scientific consensus is stunningly stupid.
The purpose of enterprise support is not to fix your problem it's to convince your CIO to buy the product. It's to make sure the "is supported" box is checked off.
I have had the exact same or worse story from every majow vendor in the IT world. MS, Netapp, HP, Veritas, Dell and Apple. Call them up and all of a sudden you find out you paid for nothing. They all find an excuse not to help you. I even had a netapp guy say "don't call us anymore" despite the fact that our company had paid for top level support.
My experience is that the only people who support you are small local vendors. They will camp out at your place if they have to. Enterprise vendors just take your money and laugh.
Think "the skeptical environmentalist". This guy wasn't even a climatologist and yet he wrote a book claiming that global warming was a farce and became an instant celebirty.
Also I really am tired of you accusing the entire scientific community of perpetuating a fraud on the world. You keep saying that the only way to get funding is to claim that global warming is real and provide no evidence. You claim that scientists are publishing things they know are not true in order to get funding. You claim that people get funding denied if they are amongst the skeptics. And yet you provide no proof whatsoever.
The idea that 75% of the meterologists, climatologists, pysicisysts etc are faking science in order to get funding is absurd on the face it. It's not like these guys are driving around in BMWs and summering in the hamptons.
BTW have ever considered that the reason why there are so many books on global warming is because so many scientists are convinced it's true and because so many people are concerned about the consequences?
The point of the article wasn't to say that open source companies are BETTER then other companies it was to say that it's possible to make money in open source business.
You are bashing them because they are just like any other company. I find that odd. Let me put it this way.
I am sure you use many products by many companies in your workplace. Of all those companies how many sent their CEO to meet you?
1) We can't ever let the homosexuals marry. 2) Toby Keith said so. 3) Those eastern liberal intellectual elites drive volvos and us real mericans drive trucks. 4) Dixie chicks suck 5) Toby Keith said so.
Err did I already say Toby keith said so?
But seriously. A majority of the people are very very stupid. They are all angered because Janet Jackson's nipple showed up on TV for 30 seconds but they are all fine that we destroyed 1/3rd of falluja, left 6000 dead people in the streets, bombed hospitals, and arrested doctors who dared to speak about the number of dead and wounded.
Why would a republican congress and the president not want to fund research that says global warming is not going on?
In fact everytime anybody publishes a contrary book they become celebirties and their books become best sellers because right wing organizations dump so much money on their laps.
I think you have proved once and for all that we should never listen to any scientist. Also we should immediately dismiss any topic for which there is scientific consensus.
It's better to listen to non scientists, economists, politicians, religious leaders, and of course Rush Limbaugh when it comes to scientific matters.
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On the mac if you hold down the mouse button the context menu comes up.
You don't need a right click or a keyboard click combination, just hold down the mouse button for a second.
You miss the point entirely. There are rules under which the flag is to be flown. You can't be a patriot and disgrace the flag like that.
"a lot of people are really confused by this concept. "
I don't think so. With windows they didn't have a centralized repository of software that runs on their machine. With Xandros it's right on the desktop. Click on it and there is all the software that will run on your machine. Once you get used to that why would you spend hours looking for software on the internet?
"but windows users mainly want that "download file, run, program installed" process."
That's only because that's all they know. Xandros offers a much better way and I don't see anybody wanting to go back to the crappy windows way of doing it especially since 90% of the stuff you download is likely to be infected.
It's easier to install software with Xandros then it is with windows.
First of all it's all in one place. You don't have to search the web to find it, you just fire up the gui and search.
Secondly there is no download, save to disk, double click, unzip, answer click OK 5 times, input a 30 digit CD key or anything like that. Just click and go.
The best part is the updating is done the same way.
Way better then windows.
I tried all the distros and xandros was the best for me.
" Advertising usually affects the reptilian part of brains, preying on our patriotism (truck ads), "
This reminds me of something I saw the other day. There was a big old truck (F350) relatively new stopped at a light in front of me. The bed was empty except for a full size american flag that was tied to a broomstick which was attached to rear corner of the truck.
It's hard to know how long that flag had been there but it was in horrible shape. It was dirty and wet and the leading edge has been torn to shreds by the wind.
When I was in the military we were thought to respect the flag. We were told that you don't fly the flag in the rain, if you were going to fly the flag at night it had to be lit, the flag could never touch the ground, it had to be spotlessly clean and of course it could not be torn.
This bozo in front of me probably thought he was a patriotic god fearing american when in reality he could not be disgracing the flag more.
It made me mad, disgusted, and amused all at the same time. The idea that this guy would probably thinks of himself as a patriot but would beat the shit out of (or shoot) anybody who told him not to treat the flag that way.
Anyway the point is that you can convince anybody of anything. This guy bought it hook, line and sinker. He is probably driving his truck, listening to toby keith and thinking himself one fine american all the while his flag continues to disintegrate in the wind.
Nothing wrong with that. I too need an occational visit to the disco hospital.
Americans love to fuck other countries. It's sport to them.
It's like that movie said. We are dicks, we fuck the pussies (french, democrats, actors, environmentalists etc) and the assholes (koreans, arabs, and other strangely hued humans). Our only crime is that sometimes we fuck too much.
Come on now, who doesn't want to be a big old dick and fuck all the pussies and assholes of the world. What could possibly be better then to shove your dick into some asshole or pussy.
Drugs are iilegal which makes them expensive. If drugs were legal and sold at the cornet drug stores there would be no violent drug dealers.
You are a dumbass.
It doesn't matter what I think, I haven't done the experiments. I haven't done the studies. I haven't come up with the theories. I haven't published in journals. I haven't done the peer reviews.
It doesn't matter what I think. What does matter is the opinion of the people who are experts at the subject and who have done all of the above.
You go ahead and feel free to ignore them though. I am sure Rush LImbaugh is giving you better advice then they are.
" Ahh, so I am a dumbass because I'm simply not convinced that global warming is a man-made phenomenon?"
No, you are a dumbass because you see scientific consensus as evidence that something is not true.
"I have never stated that we should just keep going the way we have been. I've never even stated that I don't believe global warming is happening."
Really?
Article: There is scientific consensus that global warming is going happening and is caused by humans.
You: Scientists have been wrong before.
Nice attempt at backtracking though.
"All I've ever said this entire time is that THE JURY IS STILL OUT!"
To dumbasses like you it is. To the people who actually study the stuff,have actually done the expriments etc the jury is in. You don't believe the scientists because they are telling you something you don't want to hear.
"What's wrong with a little critical thinking?"
Nothing. Oh wait a minute are you implying that you are doing critical thinking?
"I made no assumptions that you were an idiot, yet you jumped all over me like white on rice."
I also made no assumptions that you were an idiot. I came to that conclusion after reading your posts. You are an idiot. Sorry to break the news to you.
"Finally, the scientific processs is not a matter of gathering a consensus, it is process for hypothisizing and testing."
WOW. REALLY? I didn't know that. Thanks for telling me. But tell me something. What's the use of making hypothesis and then testing and experimenting if some asshole on slashdot doesn't believe you after you are done. I mean what's the use of science at all? Science can't be trusted because scientists have been wrong before. Right?
"It is not the process of nodding your head in agreement because most of the people in the room are nodding their heads too."
Why that's brilliant!. It's much better when faced with a mountain of scientific evidence to simply say "you guys have been wrong before so the jury is still out!".
" Wow. I'm impressed with your knowledge of what is stunningly stupid."
I know stupid when I see it.
"Science is notorious for NOT being able to prove anything with complete certainty."
There is never certainty when it comes to inductive processes. You are not certain that the sun is going to come up tommorow.
"You can't accept something as 'true', only 'likely'; especially when confronted with processes and a whole field of science that has an infinite number of unknowns."
And yet you manage to act as if the sun is going to come up tommorow. Despite all that encertainty.
"What!?!? Now I know we CAN'T have a sane discussion! You are a lemming, my friend."
No we can't have a discussion. You are a dumbass. A complete idiot who is unaware of how the scientific process works. Here let me illustrate.
Me: There is a scientific concensus that there is global warming and that it's caused by human beings. We should act now to minimize our adverse impact on the environment.
You: Scientists have been wrong before, so we should ignore them because they are wrong this time too. We should just keep going the way we have been.
What you say is probably true for your typical braindead CIO but then again your typical braindead CIO would not even consider linux. If a CIO is smart enough to consider linux then he is smart enough to know that fedora and redhat are the same.
"Noooo, nice try. It just means we need to be more critical and not exercise 'democratic science'. Saying we should dismiss *any* scientific consensus sarcastically does not help the discussion."
What the hell does that mean? Here let me paraphrase you. "whenever there is a scientific concensus we should not belive it, we should be even more critical."
So when do you go from being "more critical" to accepting something as being true? Never? When there is no consensus? When there is unanimous consensus?
"Too bad, maybe this could have been a compelling discussion."
It's pretty hard to have a compelling discussion when confronted with such an absurd statement. The idea that we should be more critical when there is scientific consensus is stunningly stupid.
So you are the same as the kneejerk pussy liberals?
I have tried all the distros and the only one that worked flawlessly out of the box was xandros. Hopefully they can gain some traction.
Novell does have a compelling stack of sofware and service though and it would not suprise me to see them quickly rise to the top of the heap.
Welcome to the enterprise my friend.
The purpose of enterprise support is not to fix your problem it's to convince your CIO to buy the product. It's to make sure the "is supported" box is checked off.
I have had the exact same or worse story from every majow vendor in the IT world. MS, Netapp, HP, Veritas, Dell and Apple. Call them up and all of a sudden you find out you paid for nothing. They all find an excuse not to help you. I even had a netapp guy say "don't call us anymore" despite the fact that our company had paid for top level support.
My experience is that the only people who support you are small local vendors. They will camp out at your place if they have to. Enterprise vendors just take your money and laugh.
"The real question is what their sales would be if they offered a low-end product for $50 per year or so. "
it's called fedora core, it's free.
Think "the skeptical environmentalist". This guy wasn't even a climatologist and yet he wrote a book claiming that global warming was a farce and became an instant celebirty.
Also I really am tired of you accusing the entire scientific community of perpetuating a fraud on the world. You keep saying that the only way to get funding is to claim that global warming is real and provide no evidence. You claim that scientists are publishing things they know are not true in order to get funding. You claim that people get funding denied if they are amongst the skeptics. And yet you provide no proof whatsoever.
The idea that 75% of the meterologists, climatologists, pysicisysts etc are faking science in order to get funding is absurd on the face it. It's not like these guys are driving around in BMWs and summering in the hamptons.
BTW have ever considered that the reason why there are so many books on global warming is because so many scientists are convinced it's true and because so many people are concerned about the consequences?
The point of the article wasn't to say that open source companies are BETTER then other companies it was to say that it's possible to make money in open source business.
You are bashing them because they are just like any other company. I find that odd. Let me put it this way.
I am sure you use many products by many companies in your workplace. Of all those companies how many sent their CEO to meet you?
You forgot the real reasons.
1) We can't ever let the homosexuals marry.
2) Toby Keith said so.
3) Those eastern liberal intellectual elites drive volvos and us real mericans drive trucks.
4) Dixie chicks suck
5) Toby Keith said so.
Err did I already say Toby keith said so?
But seriously. A majority of the people are very very stupid. They are all angered because Janet Jackson's nipple showed up on TV for 30 seconds but they are all fine that we destroyed 1/3rd of falluja, left 6000 dead people in the streets, bombed hospitals, and arrested doctors who dared to speak about the number of dead and wounded.
Why would a republican congress and the president not want to fund research that says global warming is not going on?
In fact everytime anybody publishes a contrary book they become celebirties and their books become best sellers because right wing organizations dump so much money on their laps.
I think you have proved once and for all that we should never listen to any scientist. Also we should immediately dismiss any topic for which there is scientific consensus.
It's better to listen to non scientists, economists, politicians, religious leaders, and of course Rush Limbaugh when it comes to scientific matters.
SO bush is just as bad as clinton. I am sure you republicans are proud of that.
Once again.
Did Bill Clinton himself sell this technology? It's a simple yes or no question.