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Novell to Help Port Applications to Linux

An anonymous reader writes "eWeek is reporting that: "Novell announced the program at its European BrainShare 2004 tradeshow in Barcelona, Spain." "Under the initiative, leading software and hardware vendors, including Hewlett-Packard Co., IBM, Intel Corp., Oracle Corp. and Scali Inc. will work with Novell help their software partners deploy their platforms and solutions on SUSE Linux, according to Novell Inc."

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  1. Good news for Suse... by tcopeland · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...and to help more people get a crack at running Suse, if you've got some spare bandwidth, fire up a BitTorrent client and head over to The Linux Mirror Project and help mirror the Suse torrent.

    The tracker shows lots of leechers for that distro... if you can, hop in and help out!

    1. Re:Good news for Suse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so are they spliting up BT swarms? or do their fedora torrents link back to Fedora's BT tracker/swarm? (same for knoppix and the others that have their own tracker)

    2. Re:Good news for Suse... by tcopeland · · Score: 1

      Splitting them up, I think. This is a good idea since TLM is still up if the Fedora tracker gets overwhelmed... but of course, they don't share peers, then.

      Is it possible for trackers to share peer lists? Hm. Seems like it would work, since the pieces hash would be the same... hmmm...

    3. Re:Good news for Suse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that even legal? I know Suse Finally opened up yast but up till now its pretty much been forbidden to host public ISO's of Suse. There might have been a few places where you could "find them" but other then that the only way to get Free suse is through ftp. Or have they finally come to their senses and are they allowing ISO's to be freely and openly published?

    4. Re:Good news for Suse... by L7_ · · Score: 1

      There was some "Linux Professional" link posted here like 3 months ago to the Novell page where you could give them your name and address and they would send you a SuSE CD install package (3 CDs) for free. No need for downloading the ISOs.

      Of course, I didn't save the link nor am I able to find it. :-(

    5. Re:Good news for Suse... by Kyro · · Score: 1

      you mean this link? http://www.novell.com/community/linux/order.php i got my set a few months ago.

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    6. Re:Good news for Suse... by GCP · · Score: 1

      Notice that that link contains only the announcement that they aren't accepting any further orders. If you want to try Suse, you pay in money and time or in inconvenience.

      With Red Hat it was easy to create some installer CDs of the latest and have them around in case the urge to install it on some machine struck me. It often did, both at home and at work. If that machine wasn't connected to the Net or whatever, it didn't matter. I had real, local installation discs.

      Suse wants to make installation less convenient, if you want the "real" version. Pay money, wait for discs, wonder what version they'll be and how long they'll be current before I have to order and wait again, or install by FTP, which sounds error prone since it is installing its own OS and yet it can't even get the files to install unless it is already up and running some OS (would that include any old Windows already on the machine? Dunno, I'd have to research it) plus a working network connection, which is what you're trying to install....

      Each time I think that maybe I should give Suse a try, I run into this, decide that it's not worth the extra bother, and put it off again.... And the longer I go without switching to Suse, the less likely I am to ever do so.

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    7. Re:Good news for Suse... by Builder · · Score: 1

      Which SuSE version is this ? Because apparantly SuSE aren't happy about their stuff being copied:

      http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie =U TF-8&threadm=qcMw%249AoBeSBJACh%40candt.demon.co.u k&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Duk.comp.os.linux%26ie%3DUTF-8 %26hl%3Den

    8. Re:Good news for Suse... by tcopeland · · Score: 1

      > Which SuSE version is this ?

      9.1-personal

      > SuSE aren't happy about their stuff being copied

      Hm. Maybe that doesn't apply to the 'personal' version? Guess the TLM folks would know about that...

  2. Who could use some help by DaveInAustin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe they could help MS port office.

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    1. Re:Who could use some help by rainman_bc · · Score: 5, Informative

      You mean like Crossover Office?

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    2. Re:Who could use some help by SunPin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Screw Office. Everyone uses office for one reason: The Microsoft marketing department.

      Excel, Powerpoint, Publisher and Access--especially Access--are not valid reasons for parting with your money.

      Microsoft represents everything wrong about the world consumers have to deal with. Since there's no profit in a _solved_ problem and a _stable_ solution, everything in this country is built to break.

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    3. Re:Who could use some help by sloanster · · Score: 1

      Maybe they could help MS port office.

      Bad idea for a couple of reasons, off the top of my head -

      #1, ms will fight tooth and nail against the idea of giving ms office users more choice of OS on which to run ms office since obviously, some will choose an OS other than ms windows.

      #2, the ms office port would divert resources from the excellent alternatives such as open office.

      Rather than rushing in to prop up the faltering ms office monopoly, we should be support the increasingly capable ms office alternatives, encouraging interoperability via document and file format standards, not vendor lock in.

    4. Re:Who could use some help by kisielk · · Score: 2, Informative

      We use Office because all our company's documents, dating back years and years are all made in office. It would be time consuming and usually not very good looking to convert them to another format. Also most documents we receive from customers and partners is also in Office format, don't want to convert back between different formats all the time. No, I don't like this one bit, but so far nobody has an adequate solution.

    5. Re:Who could use some help by SunPin · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's not the whole story. Theoretically--and at one time enthusiastically touted by Microsoft--you should be able to send all your documents into XML and open them anywhere without losing any formatting. Microsoft doesn't support anything open (sources or standards) when it interferes with their bottom line. That should be motivation enough to begin the breakup with Microsoft. It won't happen overnight but it will happen if you want it to.

      I don't mind Windows XP. My problems with Microsoft surround their garbage tie-in designed to limit choices, stifle innovation and suck the life out of anyone that they remotely identify as a competitor.

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    6. Re:Who could use some help by TykeClone · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about a good working alternative to Outlook. Does Ximian natively do the e-mail and calendaring, and keep the message store on the exchange server?

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    7. Re:Who could use some help by peawee03 · · Score: 1

      Better yet, does it work on systems that don't use complex pre-compiled binary packages (Slackware, for example)

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    8. Re:Who could use some help by timmyf2371 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I almost agree with Access, but in honesty it's perfect for those small database-enabled functions I require without having to spend ages setting up the relevant database and access pages using PHP/MySQL (which I use for larger database projects.

      Now, let's look at Excel - Excel in my opinion is a fantastic application. It's great for calculations, supports copy and paste from other applications with figures etc, and is a really handy application to have around - possibly even more useful that Word itsself.

      Powerpoint is the bain of my existance. Suffice it to say, it empowers PHBs with capabilities to create huge, annoying, awful-looking documents with information which could be distributed in a two-line email.

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    9. Re:Who could use some help by killjoe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Welcome to vendor lock. That's exactly the way MS wanted it to be. Congratulations you are unable to switch to a lower cost alternative!.

      It's like those monkey traps you hear about. You know where you make a hole in the box just big enough for the monkey to put his hand in and grab a fist full of peanuts. The problem is that once the fist is full of peanuts the monkey can't get his hand out. So he sits there until the hunter comes by, trapped by his unwillingness to let go a handful of peanuts.

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    10. Re:Who could use some help by mvdw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't believe that this is necessarily a valid argument anymore. Abiword will open Word documents, Gnumeric will open excel documents, and openoffice will of course open both. You may lose some formatting and/or images, but many files will open correctly in these free softwares. You can even convert your word documents using wvWare, another free piece of software.

      Do you have to edit them, or are they read-only? If they are read-only, you might want to try "wvPDF" and a small script (for f in find / -name \*.doc ; do wvPDF $f $(basename $f .doc).pdf ; done)

      Note the script is not tested, but it shouldn't do anything *too* bad to your originals...

      Alternatively, if you would like to edit the files later, try wvLatex (then edit using Lyx later), wvDVI, wvAbw (edit using abiword), wvRTF (edit using openoffice), or to just extract the text use wvText. Or you can do a combination of a number of them (generate the pdf and the RTF source, for example). No guarantees, YMMV, IANAL, etc etc etc, but for the 1/2 hour it take to get it all running, it may well be worth your time.

    11. Re:Who could use some help by phaetonic · · Score: 3, Informative
    12. Re:Who could use some help by bsharitt · · Score: 1

      no

    13. Re:Who could use some help by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 1
      Screw Office. Everyone uses office for one reason: The Microsoft marketing department.

      Huh? That's not why I use it. Maybe you should speak for yourself rather than telling me why I use something.
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    14. Re:Who could use some help by Micro$will · · Score: 1

      Screw Office, their first priority should be to port NWAdmin. ConsoleOne is too buggy, bloated, and clumsy, and why for love of Jeebus do they have to have their own JRE for it.

  3. saw this coming... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What, did you think that Novell threw all those millions of dollars at SuSE for fun? Oh no, SuSE is the core of the next NetWare.

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    1. Re:saw this coming... by nocomment · · Score: 2

      I keep telling people that by this time next year Novell will rule the world. This is just another example of how that is going to happen.


      Novell, if you are reading this, fast user switching unkay? :-D I will switch from drake to you for that.

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    2. Re:saw this coming... by jhoffoss · · Score: 4, Funny
      No, no, no. You have it all wrong.

      Linux will rule the world through Novell. Novell will be nothing but our puppet.

      <insert evil laugh here>

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    3. Re:saw this coming... by nocomment · · Score: 1

      I wish i had posted AC so I could mod you, hehehe

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    4. Re:saw this coming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So when do they become the "Microsoft" of Linux? Don't think it will happen? People were bashing Red Hat and spreading FUD about them well before they left the low end commercial market. Wait till Suse becomes #1 for a years.

      There is some sort of twisted logic among linux users which makes them hate any popular company after a while even if they are true OSS followers. Weird.

    5. Re:saw this coming... by once1er · · Score: 1

      I don't know what version of mandrake you're using, but KDE3.2 that comes with 10 has a pretty good "fast user switching" capability. Although, I actually did find it a little easier to use on SuSE, maybe there is a minor version difference in KDE I'm not aware of. But its totally good, you can lock your term and everything when you switch. The new gnome has it too, I think.

    6. Re:saw this coming... by winse · · Score: 1

      ummm Novell here.... you'll have to rewrite that in German please. Anyone that could even start to think about that is in Germany....unless you count the Ximian guys.... I guess they could get Gnome to do that for you, but then you could just run Gnome on any distrobution.

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    7. Re:saw this coming... by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Because of the GPL, it's not possible for there to be a "'Microsoft' of Linux." Microsoft dominates with proprietary and non-standards-compliant software, which can't happen with Linux because anyone can copy it.

      Yes, people can be upset when a poor technology <cough>RPM</cough> dominates, but they can't be forced to use it. The only possible issue is software patents as a lock-in mechanism, and I don't think anyone would put up with Novell trying use that -- they'd just switch. They'd have to already be locked in first.

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    8. Re:saw this coming... by intangible · · Score: 1

      gdmflexiserver
      Best program since checkinstall.

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  4. I want my 8kb Space Invaders Please by JPyObjC+Dude · · Score: 1

    I wonder if they will help me port Space Invaders from my white Comodore Pet.

    Now if only I could find that tape...

    1. Re:I want my 8kb Space Invaders Please by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Check out MAME (www.mame.net). You can have the real thing.

    2. Re:I want my 8kb Space Invaders Please by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 1
  5. color me n00b by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but arent linux apps supposed to work with all major distros? and if not, why?

    1. Re:color me n00b by robla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because the major distros come with different:
      * versions of X Windows
      * versions of GNOME or KDE
      * versions of glibc
      * versions of the ABI
      * package management systems

      When you are distributing your software in source code form for developers to compile themselves, it's no big deal. When you are trying to release a binary that works in a supported way, it's a hassle.

      This hassle isn't limited to closed source software. For example, look how many download options Abiword has. Regardless of what "should" work, there's been enough hassles in the past that most folks want binaries tailored to their specific platform.

      Rob

    2. Re:color me n00b by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oracle RDBMS 10g installs and runs just fine under Debian Sarge despite Oracle only really wanting it to run on Suse and RHEL.

      Linux "fragmentation" is mostly hype.

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    3. Re:color me n00b by Lando+Griffin · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ...Linux "fragmentation" is mostly hype.

      Perhaps, but Oracle's decision to support their products on SuSE and RHEL most definitely is not hype. Good luck getting support if you insist on running on Sarge!

    4. Re:color me n00b by johnhennessy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, I would have to agree - fragmentation is mostly hype. But there is one difference. Support. Fine, your latest XYZ product might run on Redhat and Debian but more than likely when you ring up tech. support with a problem on your Debian system you'll probably get a "not supported" reply.

      Which is possibly fine, imagine the costs a ISV would have to incur if they had to support every single OS/distribution out there. In one way, they are probably happy with the MS monopoly.

      On the other hand, this is more less the product of their thinking and business model for recent history. If tech. support people actually knew something about computers instead of just reading scripts then maybe supporting many platforms wouldn't be a hasstle. If programs were written using proper Software Engineering skills (no, VB does not count) then maybe applications would be portable in the first place.

      From what I can see, the only thing that distinguishes linux platforms would be the libc implementation or for hardware related software the version of kernel. If I missed something, let it rip, but more or less everything else can be provided as a shared object or compiled static as part of the install process.

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    5. Re:color me n00b by AvantLegion · · Score: 1
      >> Linux "fragmentation" is mostly hype.

      And as Flava Flav taught us: "Don't believe the hype"

    6. Re:color me n00b by sqlgeek · · Score: 1

      Oracle doesn't care what configuration you run their database on, however they're only willing to support a few. Can you really blame them? Imagine the support calls involved in diagnosing various problems on home-rolled Linux boxes. Ugh.

      Scott

    7. Re:color me n00b by FatherOfONe · · Score: 1

      This is simply not true. The 10G installation stops you if you are not running either SuSe Enterprise OR RedHat Enterprise or one more (can't remember).

      Heck even their fricking Internet Developer Suite checks now. Yes you can run something like white box linux and get around it, but the way I see it Novell is saying:
      "We want you to port your apps to SuSe Enterprise only".

      I like Oracle, and understand why they are doing but they should pick at least one or two more distros that are free (say like fedora, debian, or one of the low cost ones and support it.

      To say they can't would be incorrect they fully supported RedHat 7.1. The more I think about this the more angry I get with Oracle.... Even their development tools (Jdeveloper), written in Java will not install on anything but Enterprise versions of Linux. WTF!!!! It is a developer tool, not a freaking database!

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    8. Re:color me n00b by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Oracle Enterprise support costs 20% of your upfront licence costs. You pay this ANNUALLY.

      Compared to that, the cost of RHEL or Suse enterprise is a drop in the bucket.

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  6. LSB? by cpn2000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have not read the FA, but I do hope they port applications to the LSB rather than just to their distro.

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    1. Re:LSB? by PhilipPeake · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I don't want to start any sort of flamewar on this, so just take this a my opinion FWIW:

      LSB is fine, and a worthwhile effort, BUT (you knew there was but coming, didn't you?) it is FAR from a complete standard for Linux. It just codifies what are prety much already consensus and de-facto opinions on standards already present in most versions of Linux.

      This is useful work, but by no means sufficient to develop against. LSB cound be more proactive and push standards where they are needed, but the push-back they would get from "the community" would be intense, and could end up devaluing the good work they currently do.

      Most of the Linux distros out there do aim for LSB conformance anyway. If they don't quite make it, its not by much, and if they don't try -- well, maybe you need to give your patronage to those that do.

      As far as I kno, SuSe are committed to following the LSB, so applications ported to it will naturally be LSB conformant ports - for as far as that takes them.

    2. Re:LSB? by yuri+benjamin · · Score: 1

      Why should they? They're a for-profit-company, not a charity. It would be nice if they did, but they don't have to.

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    3. Re:LSB? by cpn2000 · · Score: 1
      Not trying to troll or anything, but if coding your apps to the LSB does not gaurantee portability (across distros), what good is the LSB at all? I thought that the central idea behind the LSB was to promote a kind of 'write once, run on any (lsb compliant) distro' idea. But if it is not living upto that standard, how does it expect to garner any repect from app developers?

      Is this a problem with the LSB per se., or in the way in which distros are implementing it?

      Note, I am asking this simply out of my ignorance about the LSB, that anything else.

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  7. Let's stop breaking Linux up. by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "But this is also aimed at Windows software vendors, Unix software vendors, or vendors who'd developed for other flavors of Linux but who'd like run on SUSE Linux, too," He said.

    I love the fact that Linux has the flexibility of having multiple flavors but I really think that making the flavors incompatible is a roadblock for wide acceptance.

    People who develop for Windows are going to look at Linux and say, "but if we want to reach everyone we have to deal with RedHat, SUSE, Foo, and DoubleFoo."

    Shouldn't companies that want to support Linux as a viable alternative be pushing for a standard to be followed?

    1. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Why yes, we probably should.

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    2. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by garcia · · Score: 1

      Yeah, LSB is great and all in theory but when a major Linux player isn't really doing much to advocate it I don't see what good it is going to do.

    3. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by jhoffoss · · Score: 4, Interesting

      First, let's correct your previous statement. Novell and SuSE are one, and so there's not as much for a developer to struggle to conform to. Second, as was announced on /., the WSJ, and several other sources a few days ago, IBM, Novell, HP, and several other very major vendors all announced support of LSB-2. Whether they're posting placards and advertising everywhere or not, if I'm a developer for Linux tools, I'm going to code to LSB-2 spec, not to a platform (RH/SuSE/FC/LM/etc.)

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    4. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by garcia · · Score: 0, Troll

      First, let's correct your previous statement. Novell and SuSE are one, and so there's not as much for a developer to struggle to conform to.

      First let's correct your statement. SuSE is one Linux distribution that a developer would have to develop for. RedHat, Debian, Slackware, Foo, DoubleFoo are all other distributions that would have to be developed for. Yeah, we have the LSB/LSB-2 out there and in active discussion. Yeah you would support one or the other... Neither has really materialized and you still have different packages, different locations, and different setups.

      It's confusing to the user and just as confusing to the developer.

    5. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by Cheeko · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One of the good things going for LSB is that HP, and IBM support it. Its in THEIR best interest to have a standards base because it makes their support job easier. While Suse or Redhat might only care about supporting their specific customers, each of them being different makes the support job tougher for major system vendors. My guess is that HP and IBM pressuring the linux companies will make them pretty compliant on the LSB front and force the linux vendors to differentiate on additional features that don't break the LSB.

    6. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Disclaimer: I'm a bit of a Windows fan, so your mileage may vary.

      That said, you know, actually they're not that incompatible.

      I've ran for example WebSphere and Eclipse on SuSE, Gentoo, and a coleague installed them on RedHat too. My brother runs them on Mandrake. Binaries too, no recompiling needed. No problems there. I also don't recall having to get a different binary version of, say, OOo for different Linux flavours. It runs just as crappy on them all.

      It's not yet perfect, yes, but differences tend to be minor. E.g., where they put their scripts or some config files, or whether KDE and Gnome go into /opt or into /usr. Nothing that a desktop application really needs to know about.

      Linux still has compatibility problems of its own, in the form of the DLL hell. (Well, .so but same idea.) Each F/OSS app seems to want its very own version of some library, which in turns requires a bunch of other libraries to be in a whole other version than what you have on the system.

      But that's hardly something that has to do with distro fragmentation. You're just as likely to run into that problem on any distro.

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    7. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by baggins2002 · · Score: 1

      That's why there is linuxbase.org.

    8. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by Rex+Code · · Score: 1

      That's why there is linuxbase.org.

      Oh yeah, an ass-ugly extra runtime environment that costs $3000 to claim compliance with is going to solve everything.

      Just try going to http://linuxbase.org and you'll see what a great plan they have.

    9. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 3, Informative
      Yes.

      People who develop for Windows are going to look at Linux and say, "but if we want to reach everyone we have to deal with RedHat, SUSE, Foo, and DoubleFoo."

      Mostly it tends to be the Foo and DoubleFoo distros that break compatibility. This is for two main reasons.

      "Boutique" Linux distros are developed are often developed by fanatics who simply don't care if "Application X" works on their distro, because obviously, "Application X" is crap, and possibly not licensed according to their politics. These distros are not for the "mainstream" and will probably fade away quickly.

      Other "Boutique" distros have some very specific uses in mind, such as those that require ultra-stability or ultra-security. I was going to say like dedicated web servers, but I think the *BSDs have that sewn up. With these very narrow focuses, wide compatibility is rarely an issue.

      I know people are going to flame me for writing this, but in The Enterprise, the only real Linux players right now are Novell/SuSE and RedHat. A lot of this has to do with vender support, which distros such as Gentoo/Debian/Slackware and so on do not have.

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    10. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How's that different than the different versions of Windows?

    11. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BZZZT wrong.. if you conform to an LSB spec there aren't different locations or different setups. Also developing for Redhat, Debian, Slackware, Foo, DoubleFoo is no problem which is why you have many cross distribution and applications which don't need to be changed at all. Examples would be all of Gnome, KDE and many other programs which rely on libs already installed by the default distribution.

    12. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by garcia · · Score: 1

      Why didn't the article say that they were going to conform to the LSB? They mentioned specifically that they were looking for people to develop for SuSE Linux.

    13. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by T-Ranger · · Score: 1

      Because the press release was written by a marketdroid, not a hacker?

    14. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Informative
      You're just as likely to run into that problem on any distro.
      No, you're not -- it's a package management issue, and different distros have different package management. I've never run into "library hell" with Gentoo, because there's a single repository, and so everything it tested to work together. I presume Debian and BSD would work equally well. God help you if you're using Red Hat or something, though.
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    15. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by Trelane · · Score: 1
      Oh yeah, an ass-ugly extra runtime environment that costs $3000 to claim compliance with is going to solve everything.


      And claiming compliance with Windows (i.e. the logo; same as with LSB) costs you what? Anybody?

      Bueller?
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    16. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by Rex+Code · · Score: 1

      And claiming compliance with Windows (i.e. the logo; same as with LSB) costs you what? Anybody?

      Your soul.

    17. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by Moraelin · · Score: 1

      Point well taken, if you actually recompile everything under Gentoo, and occasionally recompile everything for a new library or framework, you don't have compatibility problems. Unfortunately:

      A. Not everything is available as source code. E.g., God help you if you want WebSphere's sources and you're not working in the WebSphere team at IBM.

      B. Compiling everything is not always an economical or comfortable solution. While, again, I'll admit that it fixes pretty much any compatibility issues, a full recompile can take _days_ on top of the line computers. Doubly so on some old 2.0 GHz P4 (or less) people still have around at home or at the office.

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    18. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Re. A: I mentioned Gentoo because that's where my personal experience is. You could use Debian instead, and not have to recompile. The point is that ideally, you want all your software tested together, and a central repository is a good way to do that.

      Re. B: Compiling isn't that bad, as long as you stay away from the Windows or Red Hat style "system version/release" mentality -- realize that the system is not a monolithic unit, and it doesn't all change at once. So upgrade often, and only a few packages will change at a time.

      Also, businesses typically have one thing going for them: volume. When you have 30 identical PCs, you can run DistCC on them and compile things really quickly. On top of that, they're identical! So compile it once and then copy it to the rest!

      Finally, I don't know where you get this idea that a 2.0GHz P4 is "old" -- I've run Gentoo on 4 different computers, and the newest is an Athlon XP 2100+. The others are a 900MHz C3, a 500Mhz Athlon, and a 233MHz Pentium MMX, and I haven't had a problem with compiling on any of them. It might take a while, sometimes, but you can use the system while it goes!

      I've since retired the 233Mhz MMX, beacuse it couldn't comfortably run X and Firefox at the same time. Its replacement is an iBook, which will be running Gentoo/OSX as soon as it's stable -- not for the "funroll loops," but for the ease installing and maintainability.

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    19. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by theblkadder · · Score: 1

      SUSE has been a long time supporter of and contributor to the LSB effort, and as far as I know, will continue to be. No pressure from our friends at IBM or HP is necessary. - A SUSE (err Novell) employee...

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    20. Re:Let's stop breaking Linux up. by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1
      You do have the same problem, it just manifests itself in a different way. It just shows up as having to use old software, or broken packages.

      Compiling all your software isn't really a useful solution. How many Gentoo users compile not only gnome-terminal themselves, but the entirety of OpenOffice (a 24 hour compile on some systems)? It doesn't really scale. Good support for binaries is really essential.

  8. Three words... by chill · · Score: 2, Funny

    Developers, developers, developers!

    The monkey-boy dance is left up to the end user.

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    1. Re:Three words... by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      Linxoupers! Linxoupers!! Linxoupers!!!! Linxoupers!!!! Linxoupers!!!!! Linxoupers!!!!!! Linxoupers!!!!!!!

      (catches breath...)

      Oh, wait, monkeyboy/man meant.. Developers! Developers!! Developers!!!..., hehehe

      Well, maybe we'll FINALLY see IBM/Lotus ship some sendable code to Novell? Imagine IBM selling off or dual-licensing some "SmartOpenSuite" and getting IBM AND Novell a slew more customers.

      I have things in SmartSuite that, thanks to Word Pro, 1-2-3 and ESPECIALLY Lotus Approach, I simply, utterly, and infuriatingly CAN NOT do in Star Office, nor in OpenOffice.org. Certainly not nearly as easily as I, a non-developer, can do in SmartSuite.

      If any of you developers have not seen Lotus Approach, please hook up with your DB friends and help figure a way for IBM to get past the legal morass that seems to be in the way of us having a Dual-License/F/LOSS version of SmartSuite. IBM should do for SmartSuite what OpenOffice is to Sun.

      This also could pit IBM in stark constrast to Sun, in light of Sun's arrangements with microscroft (lower-casing/deprecation of mshaft's name intentional/perpetual in my writings...). That is, assuming there are non key, well-placed abettors of microshoft emplaced in IBM (something I think about and fear to be true...)

      Thanks in advance, IBM/Lotus. Let the Olympian Gold Code and Bugfests of SmartSuite begin!

      David Syes

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      Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
  9. The enemy of my enemy ... by YetAnotherName · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... is my friend, as the old saying goes.

    And so long as they keep the Unix trademark from SCO with the force of a thousand lawyers with lasers strapped to their heads, they're fine by me.

    1. Re:The enemy of my enemy ... by legirons · · Score: 1

      "The enemy of my enemy is my friend, as the old saying goes."

      Yeah, but when all your enemies are fighting amongst themselves, why bother?

    2. Re:The enemy of my enemy ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean the UNIX copyrights.

      The trademark is owned by someone else, IIRC.

      As IBM pointed out in Wednesday's hearing, SCO doesn't need more delays or more discovery--they need a case.

  10. note it says suse linux by minus_273 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    not all linux. Dont get this confused with open sourcing everything.

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    1. Re:note it says suse linux by ahillen · · Score: 1

      not all linux. Dont get this confused with open sourcing everything.

      Well, even if they wouldn't have been specific about a Linux distribution, the article only talks about 'porting' applications, not 'open sourcing' applications.

      And of course Novell is only going to support companies if the final product runs officially on SuSE Linux (in the sense of an officially supported platform). That does not mean that it only runs on SuSE Linux...

  11. Divide and conquer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    There is no need for BSD-from-scratch disto.

    1: All the BSDs are entirely different operating systems, which are lumped into one category becuase of their roots.
    2: Since no extra bullshit is thrown in like linux, there is less need for reworking the base.
    3: BSD is not obscure in the least, it is rather alive and florishing.

    BTW you forgot to mention Solaris, which has it's roots in BSD too. ckj

    1. Re:Divide and conquer by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Informative

      1. All the BSDs are not entirely different, and commonly share code back and forth amongst them.
      2. There's plenty of extra bullshit, but it's in ports where it belongs.
      3. BSD is obscure when it comes to the desktop, but then so is Linux.
      4. Solaris does not have its roots in BSD exactly:
        1. Solaris is SunOS plus Openwindows.
        2. Openwindows has traditionally meant Sun's X11 plus the openlook environment - which AFAIK still comes with the system.
      5. Solaris 1.x contains SunOS 4.x, which is based on BSD.
      6. Solaris 2.x contains SunOS 5.x, which is based on System V. If you choose to install the proper packages you get a bunch of BSD binaries in /usr/ucb or something like that.

      SunOS4 and SunOS5 are totally different and mostly separate operating systems.

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    2. Re:Divide and conquer by tyrr · · Score: 2, Informative

      > 1. All the BSDs are not entirely different, and
      > commonly share code back and forth amongst them.

      And some of it is incompatable with latest GNU programs. GNU is a flagman of Unix development, why else?

      > 2. There's plenty of extra bullshit, but it's
      > in ports where it belongs.

      Ports exist because of GNU/BSD incomatability. You can't just download a GNU source and build it.

      > 3. BSD is obscure when it comes to the desktop,
      > but then so is Linux.

      Linux is GNU compatable. It has well-developed package managers. This makes it much less obscure

      > 4. Solaris does not have its roots in BSD
      > exactly:
      > 1. Solaris is SunOS plus Openwindows.
      > 1. Openwindows has traditionally
      > meant Sun's X11 plus the openlook environment -
      > which AFAIK still comes with the system.

      Solaris is what is called SVR4 which was a big standard back when ATT, Sun, HP, Digital and SGI got together to develop modern enterprise platform.

      > 2. Solaris 1.x contains SunOS 4.x, which is based on BSD.

      The was SunOS 4.x and there was Solaris 2. Solaris 1 was "invented" later.

      > 3. Solaris 2.x contains SunOS 5.x, which
      >is based on System V. If you choose to install the
      >proper packages you get a bunch of BSD binaries in
      >/usr/ucb or something like that.

      It is a separate compatability package.

      > SunOS4 and SunOS5 are totally different and mostly separate operating systems.

      Linux got many ideas from Solaris. Package managers, ELF binaries, etc, etc, etc. In my view Linux is a successor of Solaris and Linux gets all the credit for sparking Unix revolution.
      All Unixes should be under one banner because they all came from one that progressed by trial and error. May the best ideas win and be shared across all branches.

    3. Re:Divide and conquer by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Here, let's make another list. When you're allowed to use style sheets lists are one of the best things about HTML, but they're not bad even in their most classic of implementations, as we find them here on slashdot.

      1. Linux is definitely the primary platform of development for your average free/open software of the day. No argument there. However, the largest projects aim for compatibility and the most important of the smaller projects (and lots of trivial software) is ported to assorted BSDs. As more reliable cross-platform frameworks are created, and some of them gain widespread acceptance, the portability of Unix software will only improve.
      2. Most of the time I don't want to just get a source and build it anyway. It seems I frequently find myself applying patches to just about anything I maintain myself. I happen to use gentoo and you may notice that many if not most of the high-profile packages in portage have numerous patches applied to them.
      3. ports (and its cousins) are pretty well-developed, if you want to build from source, which is what we were just discussing.
      4. Yes quite, Solaris 2.x is based on System V, Release 4. Or, I should say, was, because it's taken on quite a life of its own. Nonetheless there are three ways more or less - the SysV way, the BSD way, and the Linux way, which is basically the same as the GNU way in terms of userland.
      5. Regardless of Solaris 1.x being invented later - yes, I remember the goofy packaging before and after the event - The fact is that Solaris 1.x is SunOS4 and Solaris 2.x is SunOS5. People like to talk about Solaris and SunOS5 as if they meant the same thing and they do not. I don't mind when people say Solaris 2, but when they say Solaris, I find it to be goofy. Computers are precise, right? Be precise. SunOS deserves as much attention without a windowing environment as with one. I used to have a 4/260 running 4.1.3_u1. Before that it was a 3/260 and I ran 4.1.1 and I had to patch in DNS. Later, I did a bit of Solaris 2.4 and 2.5 administration - so I do have a solid appreciation for the variation between SunOS versions :P

      Linux is a mishmash of all the best things from all the successful Unixes. Filesystems have come in from everywhere, many concepts came from Solaris, with a development model from BSD... Oh it's a beautiful thing. And of course, whatever you think of it, you must give due credit to the GPL.

      I do believe in calling all of these operating systems Unix, as opposed to UNIX necessarily (though obviously those are Unix as well) because they are clearly put together the same way. That goes for DomainOS, IDRIX, AIX, whatever goofy-looking system we're talking about. And I don't believe that any Unixes stand alone, regardless of their intent - in fact that's contrary to the whole intent of Unix, really.

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  12. logical next step after acquisition of SuSE by nomad63 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Somehow, someway, Novell needs to make money out of the deal. By basically giving away their product, it is not likely to happen anytime soon. But if they add an arsenal of software which is certified to run on Linux platform, the landscape drastically changes and these changes will favor Novell.

    A big round of applause for this novel (pun intended) idea of Novell...

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    1. Re:logical next step after acquisition of SuSE by laupark · · Score: 1

      Umm, I believe they already are...
      For Q1 2004
      http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArt icle.j html?articleID=20900628
      for Q2 2004
      http://www.nwfusion.com/newsletters/netware/ 2004/0 823nw2.html?fsrc=rss-novell

    2. Re:logical next step after acquisition of SuSE by killjoe · · Score: 1

      Novell has NDS, it's probably the best system for managing huge networks and it runs on linux. If you are thinking about converting over to linux then they can give you linux for free and sell you NDS (and groupwise too while they are at it).

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  13. uh oh... groupwise? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

    I hope this doesn't include groupwise *shudder*

    The client has to be the worst, ugliest and clunkiest I have ever had the misfortune to use...

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    1. Re:uh oh... groupwise? by cpthowdy · · Score: 1

      Have you used the client from GW 6.5? It's been massively overhauled since 5.x and 6.0...

    2. Re:uh oh... groupwise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still sucks.

    3. Re:uh oh... groupwise? by Reducer2001 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Have you used it lately? I resembles Outlook now.
      There are already server and clients of GroupWise 6.5 available for Linux. We have GroupWise as our e-mail system here and wouldn't even think about running anything else.

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    4. Re:uh oh... groupwise? by Salo2112 · · Score: 1

      You should take a look at Loathsome Notes.

    5. Re:uh oh... groupwise? by smoking2000 · · Score: 1

      Although there is a GroupWise client for Linux, it is not the exact same client as the one on Windows.

      The cross-platform client doesn't support the Document Management features of GroupWise. They say they're working on it though.

      Some NNLS components (iPrint for instance) and other Linux products of Novell have these same issues. Only fully functional on Windows at this moment.

      I can't wait for the changelog of the next version of NNLS etc, to see if (some of) these issues are fixed.

    6. Re:uh oh... groupwise? by i2878 · · Score: 1
      Since Linux is quickly becoming the O/S of choice (above NetWare - which is quicly becoming depreciated) for Novell, yes, you'll see everything.

      Actually, the 6.5 client (already mentioned) - although not quite as refined as the Windows client - is pretty nice. Use it all the time.

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    7. Re:uh oh... groupwise? by jrcamp · · Score: 1

      Why would they port Groupwise when they have Evolution? They both have the same goal and Evolution can already integrate with Groupwise servers. That was one of the big reasons to buy Ximian.

  14. Just go out and buy one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This project is only economical if you have old laptops sitting around. If that's the case, you probably won't have enough CPU/RAM to install the latest version of debian.

    I have built picture frames out of old pentium-class laptops ('bout $100 off ebay, or cheaper if you shop around your own town), and they have no problems running the latest Debian. Just don't run X!

    I use zgv to cycle through the pictures. Works great, *and* is less filling. lh

  15. Different threading model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Not exactly. All this means is that threads do not migrate preemptively, nor do they migrate while blocked or switched out while in kernel mode. Threads only migrate if (a) the thread itself wants to move to another cpu or (b) the thread is returning to user mode and the userland scheduler decides to migrate the thread to balance the load out (which only applies to threads associated with user processes since no other type of thread can 'return to usermode').

    Kernel threads almost universally stay on the cpu they were originally assigned to. High performance threaded subsystems, such as the network stack, are replicated. That is, the network stack creates multiple threads (one per cpu) and those threads do not migrate because, obviously, they do not need to.

    Generally speaking, the purpose of making thread migration explicit instead of automatic is to partition a larger data set across available cpu caches rather then cause the same data to be shared amoungst all cpu caches. The processors operate a lot more efficiently and SMP scales a lot better. Most people do not realize the horrendous cost of moving threads between cpus because the cache mastership change is invisibly handled by hardware, but the cost is still there and still very real.

    -Matt gbx

  16. We love SuSE! by ave19 · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Tiny SuSE, look. We know you're evil, and we respect that. But have you thought about being good?

    [ Tiny SuSE is considering your offer. ]

    I can promise you a life of absolute leisure. All we do is sit in the shade drinking peach tea, while we sing songs about how much we love SuSE.

    Sing: "We love SuSE, SuSE is the best, SuSE, SuSE, SuSE, Yeah SuSE!"

    [ Tiny SuSE has agreed to join your team. ]

    Alright! But before we get to the tea, we need you to attack that Red(mond) Dragon over there. Powerful in life, unstoppable in a court room. Now flap over there.

    We don't have all f-ing day.

    [ totally ripped off from: http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-05 -10 ]

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    ...or maybe not.
  17. Cars, DVDs, what's the difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the fact that the DVD is pure information and a car is a physical object, not subject to casual duplication, might be a difference, but who knows? iao

  18. Like 'His Dark Materials' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rather surprisingly, they managed to turn the almost-as-complex His Dark Materials trilogy into what is, by all accounts, a fantastic stage show... I'll certainly be getting tickets to see this... nml

  19. Who's missing here? by aquabat · · Score: 1

    No mention of Sun Microsystems in that list, hehe...

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  20. Extra-durable nerves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they can develop nerves strong enough to let me survive my mother asking for computer help. rmf

  21. The Linux Cartel by SunPin · · Score: 1

    Yeah, LSB is great and all in theory but when a major Linux player isn't really doing much to advocate it I don't see what good it is going to do.

    That's the problem with cartels (OPEC, NCAA, etc.)

    They work only when everyone feels like cooperating. They fail in dramatic fashion when one or more members smells money.

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  22. Lotus Notes client for Linux would be nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like run Notes client on Linux. Notes and Photoshop are the only programs I run on Windows.

    1. Re:Lotus Notes client for Linux would be nice by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      You can run both Notes 6.5.1 and Photoshop using CrossOver Office.

  23. Re:WTF!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Typical dealer repair computer diag and control devices cost about $2500 per manufacturer. For any biusness, that is a cheap, no-brainer expense. Even individuals can buy the devices from most manufacturers (including forien makes) if they were really into it...

    At worst, a small shop might have to specialize on a smaller number of car makes. Most of which seemed to have done that ayway, long before the compouters came into use.

    So basically, "You are full of shit".

  24. Their 'Software Partners?' by Future+Linux-Guru · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >>"Under the initiative, leading software and hardware vendors, including Hewlett-Packard Co., IBM, Intel Corp., Oracle Corp. and Scali Inc. will work with Novell help their software partners deploy their platforms and solutions on SUSE Linux, according to Novell Inc."

    What partners?

    It was in the application space that Novell lost it's market and mindshare to Microsoft.

    1. Re:Their 'Software Partners?' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG!! Quit making it sound like MS beat Novell at anything. Novell shot themselves in foot over TCP, it was the fact that when the internet was just catching on and everyone and their grandmother wanted tcp, Novell wanted to stick with IPX. Well half of Novell wanted IPX half wanted TCP, thus causing an incredible amount of in-fighting that drew their attention away from their customers and the market in general. MS just took advantage of the fact that Novell's attention was elsewhere. Novells internal struggles over TCP where nothing more than a bit of luck for MS. All that this means is that MS was paying attention it doesnt mean MS had any kind of uber genius marketing campaign that trounced Novell. There is nothing about MS that is innovative, live with it.

    2. Re:Their 'Software Partners?' by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 1

      PeopleSoft , vmware, HP, Trustix , MySQL , SAFLINK , FTI , Constant Data , SurfControl , Software AG , Agnitum , Volante , JBoss , FalconStor , Intershop, Tarantella, Software AG and Bull ,
      etc..., etc..., etc...

      Google is your friend: 703,000 for novell software partner. (0.58 seconds)

  25. US debut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The new Muramasa has been out in Japan since January. It has had some nice reviews and keeps up well with Pentium-M modells of similar clock speed (see this Japanese review). And it is much cheaper. ws

  26. The Title is wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are not porting to Linux, but to SUSE Linux.

    SUSE Linux != all the other forks of userland apps and custom Linux kernel patches some people refer to as "Linux".

  27. Ehm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Have you used various flavors of linux lately?

    Once you get past the installer, and the vendor specific configuration guis, there is very little difference between systems.. The kernel is the same, the development tools are the same, the window managers are the same, the graphical managers are the same....

    In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find many things which are different. Sure, the packaging is different. The versions of each package are different (Kernel versions and so forth). Each distro will probably have to roll it's own specific package. But if you have the tarball, you can get it to work on pretty much any configuration, as long as you have the minimum version of libraries.

  28. Damn is this big red 'N' ugly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Sorry, but this is really the ugliest and most irritating topic logo. Does it have to be that aggressive shade of red? It hurts my eyes!

    1. Re:Damn is this big red 'N' ugly! by discogravy · · Score: 1
      and now you know why Novell was hated on for so long. Actually, if you used Windows+Novell (which you kinda needed to before AD, if you wanted any kind of sanity vis-a-vis networking and shares and especially granular control of rights) then the hatred goes more to MS: they did everything they could to make Novell as slow and shitty as possible on Windows (so as to make AD seem better in comparison.)

      Instead of, you know, making their product better. Novell's mistake was setting themselves up to get the shaft; but microsoft were the ones fucking everything up.

  29. Trend? by HangingChad · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Makes me wonder if Linux is going to stratify into corporate and home user flavors? SUSE and RedHat for the office. And the raft of others for home users.

    I don't think it's bad either way, just curious as to how it's going to shake out. Any Linux usage is good in my book. More apps available is very good. More alternatives to the bloated wares of Castle Redmondore, priceless.

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  30. How about a program that "helps" hardware vendors by Featureless · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...release specs and/or open-source device drivers, and become "Linux compliant"?

    I guess if the big companies want to lend a hand, that'd be my suggestion.

    Let's be serious, drivers are one of the biggest issues, crossing all of the common uses of Linux. Why are we, in 2004, still stuck in the 1994 mentality, still begging most hardware manufacturers for specs and open drivers, and still reverse-engineering? I mean, it's probably fair to say Linux is over the hump in terms of name recognition at this point.

    Sure, it's a lot better than it was, but our mindshare in the PC hardware world is abyssmal compared to what it should be. Even hardware vendors that "support" us still often do so with binary drivers; often shitty, scary ones that never get rev'd.

    Can the myth that closed-source drivers, or secret specs, are somehow good for a hardware business still be thriving in 2004? Is it really that much more important than the sales you miss out on when your competitors embrace Linux before you do?

  31. Finally a Novel Topic on Slashdot by Jungle+guy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Some might not have noticed, but it seems to be the first topic with the "N" logo from Novell. I don't like the company in particular, but you to admit that Novell is betting high on Linux and open source - although they are not abandoning their closed source software like Zenworks, a strategye they call "shared source".

    1. Re:Finally a Novel Topic on Slashdot by i2878 · · Score: 1
      yes, yes, yes. I DO like the company in particular, and am glad to see Novell get the /. recognition it deserves.

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    2. Re:Finally a Novel Topic on Slashdot by balster+neb · · Score: 1

      although they are not abandoning their closed source software like Zenworks, a strategye they call "shared source".

      I believe the term Novell uses is "mixed source". They work on open source as well as proprietary.

      "Shared source" is a term from Microsoft. They have a "shared source" licensing program under which certain people can see the source code of some of their programs under certain restrictions.

    3. Re:Finally a Novel Topic on Slashdot by Jungle+guy · · Score: 1
      Your are absolutely right, my mistake. The Novell marketing term is "mixed source". The business strategy seems doable to me, let's see if it pays off.

      IBM has a similar strategy, but with a difference: their revenues come not only from selling proprietary software that runs on Linux, but also from support and service contracts.

  32. I'll gladly port apps to linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I won't charge as much as them either.

    Time for welfare, or maybe robbing a gas station... should pay about the same as a programming job. If I get put in prison I get the bonus of being able to eat 3 meals a day!

  33. Re:Very cool, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it really necessary to have sufficient armaments to destroy the planet seven times over? Is it really necessary to have sufficient firepower to independantly forcibly take over any other country/contitent on the planet?

    You always build a safety net into anything you do. It's called reserve. You want to have more than you need so that you can lose part and still win. That is one of the great American traits, to overbuild is to win.

    What you're saying is akin to saying that you don't really need a seatbelt in your car either. Just don't crash and there is no problem. We don't need those seatbelts, think of how much money is wasted on them.

  34. More help for cross-platform developer tools by Hutchizon · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see more heavy-hitter funding and support for tools for writing cross-platform applications like the mono project (http://www.mono-project.com/) and wxWidgets (http://www.wxwindows.org/.

  35. Windows required for cd to play by tripie · · Score: 0

    Soon the back of all cd's will say Windows 2006 or higher is required to play this cd,, Linux and Mac people are not allowed to play cds on their computer.

  36. They are not now, nor will ever be incompatible. by khasim · · Score: 1

    "I love the fact that Linux has the flexibility of having multiple flavors but I really think that making the flavors incompatible is a roadblock for wide acceptance."

    Check out the GPL.

    While there are MINOR differences in the DEFAULT installations of the various distributions, there is NOTHING that makes them "incompatible" with each other.

    Sure, one might (by default) install ext2, another ext3, another ReiserFS, but that doesn't mean that you can't run all of the above on any distribution.

    It might take a kernel recompile in the worst cases.

    For all the hype and claims about Linux "incompatibilities", I have yet to see any package that was not installable on any other distribution. Nor do I believe that there ever will be one.

  37. Think it through. by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

    A lot. For the most part Windows has been more consistent through various versions. Most of 95 would run on 98, and in fact a LOT will even run on all versions. There are huge exceptions, but these are with apps being produced by componies that want you to buy the latest version, and so the fault lies as much with them as it does with Microsoft.

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  38. Not easy to port from Microsoft to KDE librairies by effco · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here is a replied I received from the UltraEdit peoples :

    Hello Frederic,

    Thanks for your message and suggestion. Ian has looked into this and
    other tools. The biggest barrier here is that much of UltraEdit's
    code is based on MFC (Microsoft Foundation Classes). Because of this
    porting UltraEdit to Linux is not a minor undertaking as functions
    using MFC would have to be completely rewritten from scratch.

    Thanks, Troy

    Thursday, September 16, 2004, 5:28:25 AM, you wrote:

    fcsb> Hello,
    fcsb> is there any plan to port UltraEdit to Linux ?
    fcsb> If so, you could for example use the Qt C++ framework
    fcsb> from Trolltech (http://www.trolltech.com/) to speed up the
    fcsb> process
    fcsb> so that UltraEdit would available under KDE
    fcsb> (www.kde.org), the Linux's most used desktop system.
    fcsb> There is plenty of Linux text editor but none of them has
    fcsb> ever reached the level of quality of UltraEdit,
    fcsb> so I really think you could gaim some market shares up there too !
    fcsb> sheers,
    fcsb> Frederic

  39. Why? by Jodka · · Score: 0

    This is nice of Novell but I don't understand how they profit from this.

    Suse users benefit because they have a larger menu of applications from which to choose. Suse benefits because they will be able to attract users who depend on some of these applications which will be ported. Application vendors will benefit because it makes their product available to Suse Linux users. But Novell? What's in it form them?

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    1. Re:Why? by PinkX · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hmmm perhaps because Novell _OWNS_ SUSE now?

      Regards,

    2. Re:Why? by gnuLNX · · Score: 1

      Suse = NOVEL

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      what?
  40. Re:Correction! Barcelona is not in Spain. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before the fascist Spanish nationalits start flaming, let me tell you that it's pointless as the British U.N. ambassador accepted these points when the Spanish asked for Gibraltar's return.

    The ambassador said "Gibraltar is the price for treason". English honour is cheap.

  41. Nothing new by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Interesting
    All OS vendors provide services like this (ie assistance getting your apps going on their offering). MS, IBM, HP,... all do. DEC and all it's long-dead cronies did too. So do middle-ware vendors like Oracle.

    This is particularly important for companies like Novell who are targeting corporate customers, most of whom run tailored software for their business purposes (as well as the office stuff for their admin, and other general purpose software).

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  42. Whoa... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dead English professors are spinning in their graves over this post. Where'd grammar the go?

  43. There's a hopeful precedent by RetiredMidn · · Score: 2, Informative
    Back in the 80's, I worked for Lotus, and we heard much about how much many of our customers had invested in spreadsheet models implemented in 1-2-3. I saw it myself, when I provided some assistance to our town accountant in submitting a report to the state that was to be filled out using a 1-2-3 template.

    Through some combination of Lotus mis-steps and Microsoft strategy, Microsoft was able to wean the market off their dependence on 1-2-3. OpenOffice is a good start (not quite there yet) in providing part of the alternative.

    Some people have suggested that the Linux platform needs to do more than just mimic Windows applications to offer a compelling reason for people to switch. I agree. But OpenOffice is a necessary, if not sufficient, element in making it a viable alternative.

  44. where is... by glitch23 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft? They aren't listed.

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  45. Activism sans Whack Job Factor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mike:
    As privacy advocates, what can we do to impress the importance of privacy without coming off as tinfoil-hatted whack jobs?

    An example was a presentation I prepared for co-workers a while back regarding grocery store "loyalty" cards. In it, even after detailing the California case of a store that in a slip and fall case in their store, tried to introduce the customer's purchases, tracked via a card, saying he may have been drunk at the time because of frequent alcohol purchases. Afterwards, I was hit with several questions about being paranoid. I used the standard "this is why we have envelopes and blinds instead of postcards and open windows" argument, and while most seemed to understand, some were obviously unimpressed. What can we do to convince people of the need for privacy without being over the top? wdo

  46. Uhhh...excuse me folks. by Gigantic1 · · Score: 1

    What applications are they to port? I haven't heard a single application mentioned. Why the mystery?

  47. Re:Not easy to port from Microsoft to KDE librairi by smurf975 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From the bits and pieces of news and info that I know of wxWindows, porting a MFC app to wxWindows (cross platform) is 98% of the time just a matter of search and replace.

    So technically there is no excuse, however they were responding to a QT framework question.

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  48. Novell is in a great place now by Exter-C · · Score: 1

    Novel is in a great place now not to break microsofts monopoly or to become number one but to give the industry a reliable set of software products that run on more than one operating system. The days of Windows only or Mac only are numbered if all goes well. And that gives consumers a much great er choice in the end and even if they choose to always go with one vendor or not it doesnt matter the choices are there. If the choices are there peple will choose.. and the world will keep spinning and thats what makes the world a great place.. options.. and flexibility is also a bonus.

  49. Re:Not easy to port from Microsoft to KDE librairi by nacturation · · Score: 2, Funny

    Of course, the KDE project could always write a replacement for Microsoft's MFC. They could call it... wait for it... KFC. [Cue lame joke music, cut to commercial.]

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  50. Whoa man, thats Deep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I meen thats like a bug in the Monkeys software. a Pathing problem of sorts.

  51. Imagine the eBay feedback on this one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Got my Titan Missile Complex but the tall backed leather chair did not swivel and the white cat was already dead when i got there! Avoid!!!!!! bil

  52. Individuals vs. Major ISPs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Often, I find my network and servers I use for my small business come under attack by script kiddies. Sometimes it's a DDoS attack, but more often than not, it's just getting hammered by one machine. When I contact the ISP involved, generally one of the large US ISPs, I am told that they will look into it. Nothing ever happens, however, and ISPs are generally unwilling to provide assistance in tracking down attacks. This means my complaint ends up in the circular file. The ISPs are protecting criminals because they don't want to lose business, and I have no way of making sure my complaint doesn't end up lost in this black hole. As an individual representing a small business, what recourse do I have in dealing with ISPs to make sure my complaints are heard and taken seriously? ax

  53. It would be nice if.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... if there was some way to plug tools like this into Mozilla directly so that you could expand on its built in junk mail detection with something more powerful. ji

  54. Did You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Compile the "Dell Laptop Extensions" into the kernel? gkrellm has an i8k plugin you can use to spin the fans up to low and high when you hit certain temperature thresholds. There's also a standalone temperature monitoring utility but it's seemed a bit flakey lately.

    Of course both fans spinning will impact your battery performance but it's better than third degree burns on your... lap. iqg

  55. Very interesting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >I'm surprised people still use BSD after that
    >security fiasco last year.

    so what do u suggest windows? LOL
    sorry ;)
    wk

  56. Mechanics for the 21st century by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Case in point. My best friend is a very bright guy at things historical, political and...litoral? No that's lakes...whatever the word is that means "things dealing with literature." Essentially, a geek who's not good at math. College educated with a degree in Political Science and a minor in Journalism.

    He owns a landscaping company and a power equipment (professional mowers, edgers, etc) dealership. A low-brow kind of field, right? Absolutely...which is why he cleans up. His competition in the landscaping industry is mostly rednecks with limited intelligence and poor personal hygiene. Whom do you think the college educated property manager for an apartment complex is going to hire to maintain their property? My friend the clean-cut collegian or the dirty hillbilly with the stained t-shirt and bloodshot doper eyes? Hmmm... Essentially, he's a big fish in a small pond, runs three landscaping crews and pulls in upwards of $200,000 per year.

    Myself, I've got a Master's in Electrical and Computer Engineering, and I'm a wedding and portrait photographer. Since photography has gone digital, my skills with all things electronic are extremely valuable. The guys who have been shooting film for 20 years barely know how to work their digital cameras, maintain their computers, set up a website, and figure out enough photoshop to retouch a photo or use a sepia-toned plug-in. I make more as a photographer than I ever would as an engineer, I'm my own boss, and work from home.

    Don't think that just because you're a techie, you have to work in the computer industry. It's one thing to build tools...it's something else to use them. xtq

  57. Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've always wanted a spam filter with 1000% accuracy!
    pq

  58. That's okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because SQL Server 2000 is pretty much the best database around for the price.

    Who needs all that integrated.NET stuff anyway? fz

  59. National Sovereignty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What does this say to the citizens of a country when your government will deliver you into the hands of a foreign power when you've not broken the laws of your own nation?

    The civil war in Columbia started as a question of National Sovereignty over the extradition (to the United States) of a cocaine producer, which was not against the law in Columbia at the time. This extradition led to the increasing popularity of the FARC, and their accompyaning (Stalinist) socialist platform, increased cocain production and exportation (to the United States) in order to finance both right wing and left wing paramilitaries, and increased hardships for the poorest of Columbias people, who were already suffering due to ecconomic hardships and a lack of basic civil rights for the majority of Columbias people.

    Actions such as these cause increased mistrust of a nations government, lend credence to dangerous or misguided political movements, (rightfully) increases anti-American sentiment, leads to internal social conflict, and increase crime in the nation that would extradite for an offense that is not illegal in that country.

    Given that Australia is not a third-world country, is not a narcotics exporting country, and has a stable and (I assume) fair form of government, it is unlikely that the repecussions will be as unsettling or as harmful as has occurred in Columbia.

    Still, demanding extradition for an offense that is not illegal in the offenders country, and was not committed in the requesters country, does not serve a nations national interest, as it will weaken it's ability to (ethically and effectively) influence the other nations policies, creates mistrust among the citizens and governments of other nations, and makes traveling abroad more dangerous for the nations citizens due to misguided attacts against it's citizens.

    I a company is doing business in a foreign land, then they must be willing to deal with the law (or lack of law) and culture as it exists there. If the company wishes to have that law changed, they should follow the tradition and procedure of that countrynot lobby their own government to have its law enforced on foreign soil.

    If this man has broken Australian law, he should be prosecuted under Australian law, or if it is a civil offense there, the harmed American parties should sue in Australian courts.

    The US pressing for extradition in this case may seem like a "win" to the companies who produced the software, but for everyone else, and for US relations with Australia, this could be a big loss in the long run.

    tkh

  60. Time wasted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People have been doing research for thousands of years, and most of the research have led to woudnerful discoveries, but.. to be honest, I cant see that this discovery can leed to any major breakthoughs. Not even minor ones. yws

  61. The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All these suggestions make the naive assumption that people in general learn from past mistakes. pg

  62. Old story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This one [slashdot.org]. The researchers here appear to be putting an academic imprimateur on the model discussed in 2000. mh

  63. Barcelona, Spain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's understandable that you don't know about it, but the case is that lots of people in Barcelona (the main city in Catalonia) just don't agree being part of Spain. Here's a site that explains this in English.

  64. That's okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As technically inferior MySQL is to Postgres, MySQL has a few major things going for it that ensure it's niche.

    1. Easy to install on Windows. The average coder at a Windows-only farm can easily run the executable and have the latest version running on their developer box. Not all companies allow you to have multiple boxes, and many force you (via draconion security measures) to only run windows with certain software installed. Postgres NEEDS a user-friendly Win32 installer, perhaps with a similar info-item like MySQL has. This is a MUST for companies to start to take notice. Then, a PHB can even play with it and like it.

    2. Marketing. While open-source, MySQL has a nice marketing engine behind it. A beautiful webpage, online and PRINT adds, and magazine and newspaper articles CONSTANTLY writing about the "little database that could" every few week / months. Postgres needs to start getting the word out, and hype it a little. Just because a product is superior, doesn't mean it will thrive. There are tons of examples out there: Beta vs VHS, Windows vs OS X, etc. For a database to be used, it must be allowed and "signed off" by a manager of some sort. Most will take reputation + support + "ooh, nice webpage" over a product that might be better, but they know nothing about it.

    3. More management tools. MySQL has a couple out there that look and run great; very professional looking. This earns respect from PHB's, as they are easily misled by such niceties.

    Don't get me wrong. MySQL is nice, but doesn't have what I need most (Views, triggers, etc). Postgres may not be perfect, but I think it is superior. We just need to get the word out to those "not in the know". fjn

  65. How long 'til lawsuits? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "wonder how long before Starbucks and HP get John Doe lawsuits in the mail"

    Answer: Never.

    Here's a clue about how to avoid lawsuits: don't break the law.

    <bart lq

  66. Bayesian Unsupervised Learning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FYI, modern MRI scanners use bayesian noise reduction during image processing. I used to work in a MRI research laboratory, and our director had pioneered the application of Bayesian noise-filtering algorithms in post-processing of image data.

    Oddly enough, our director of research was notoriously difficult person to schedule a meeting with. Makes me wonder about 'unsupervised learning'... nc

  67. what did you expect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The computer is nothing special -- just another thing. You have plumbers and electicians, etc. Computer service is really just another semi-skilled trade that anyone could do if they wanted to invest a little time to learn, but they prefer to use their time in other pursuits.

    I often pick up painting jobs for a few extra bucks (and because I like doing some manual labor from time to time). I don't think it's any different than doing basic computer service.

    Isn't a goal of the computer field to have pooters so easy to use that anyone can do it? If I was feeling grumpy I would happily argue that most trades which the typical geek might describe as "lowly" or "pathetic" are actually more challenging than 90% of computer related tasks performed by conceited pricks in the IT field. And the most conceited of the bunch never touch the 10% of work which required any degree of intelligence, but they are simply insecure fems who think that somehow working on a computer makes them better than others.

    puu
  68. Some of that Spit and Polish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Much as I love a good MS Bashing, I'll tell you what I find really lacking (personally) for PostgreSQL and other OSS RDBMSs - a good GUI management tool.

    Something that helps you craft medium-complicated joins quickly with a few clicks and drags.

    For example, see this screenshot [phrogz.net] from Visual Interdev working on MSSQL2k, creating a SQL Query for a stored proc. Sure, it's almost trivial to hand-write the SQL code. But it was even easier to just select a few tables, click on the fields I want, right-click on the joins (created automatically from the database structure) to change their type, and be done.

    I use PGSQL for all my personal projects now, but I sorely miss the speed that a GUI editor like this allowed me.

    lbm
  69. This is news??? Who the fuck cares! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God, how fucking petty is slashdot getting???

    Sure, hotmail was down, boo-hoo. It's a free email service. Deal with it.

    Why is slashdot determined to report every single trivial detail when it comes to Microsoft? Try to stick with the big stories, please, not "Bill Gates forgets to lift toilet seat!" or "Steve Ballmer takes up two parking spaces in Microsoft parking lot!"
    hpc

  70. Removing the Player Isn't the Good Part! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The European Commission draft requires Microsoft to share proprietary information with rival server makers"

    That's always my sticking point. I'm not as much bothered that they support video playback in their default system (they also support image playback and text playback, after all) as to their generally incompatible and excessively proprietary methods. uxe

  71. A lot of astronomers don't want to count Pluto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quoth grandparent: Pluto should be labeled an asteroid since it's smaller than even our own moon.

    Quoth parent: Frankly, I don't understand this line of reasoning. Why does it matter, with regards to whether something is a "planet" or not, whether that thing is bigger than, for example, our moon?

    I agree with parent that in this case size really doesn't matter: it's all in how you use what you got.

    Historically, Neptune was discovered because it was perturbing Uranus' orbit: its existence was theorized long before it was directly observed. Similarly, Pluto was discovered because it was found that Neptune alone was not sufficient to account for all of Uranus' irregularity. While Pluto isn't very big, its size and orbit are such that it definitely affects the other planets.

    In practice then, what we have actually used to distinguish a planet like Pluto from a large body that is not a planet, like Chiron (roughly as big, discovered 1977), is whether the object interacts in a measurable way with known planets. If it does, then accord it planet status because it is clearly part of the planetary system.

    In view of this, the new discovery is probably not a planet, unless it has a weird orbit like Pluto and would account for some of the remaining difference between planetary observations and expectations.

    But what do I know? IANAA. zb

  72. Certified SMTP Hosts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What would work well is SSL certified SMTP relays. If every valid SMTP relay needed an SSL certificate then, If spam was sent their SSL certificate could easily be rejected. And hosts that didn't have one at all could just be dropped.

    SSL certificates are costly, and that limits everyone from having one. However, there is no reason the Open Source community could not make up our own root certficate, and have an SMTP SSL certificate signing organization. Where we verify the authenticity of someone before we give them a cert. For a small fee to cover costs. It wouldn't be like we'd have to convince Netscape, Microsoft, Apple and whoever else makes a browser to include the cert. It'd just need to be available for people hosting servers to download.

    Yes, this would mean rejecting massive amounts of email to begin with. Maybe some intern solution could be thought of as people move over to it?

    Ideas? Comments?

    ga
  73. One answer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "How many companies these days are willing to drop money into some technology that may not turn a profit for many years?"

    The kind that is already doing very well financially and wants to solidify a reputation of innovation. Similar to Microsoft's $1 billion donation to Africa. vda

  74. BLASPHEMY! BLASPHEMY! YOU WILL EMBRACE MYSQL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a good example of how far behind MySQL really is. I don't want to degrade the db; I have used it on several PHP/MySQL driven sites. However, Oracle, IBM, Microsoft, Sybase and others have had transactions for many years. I have only been developing professionally for about 7 years (circa 97), but I started out on SQL Server 6.5 which had full support for transactions. SQL Server 7.0 had support (via MTS) for distrubuted transactions (across multiple databases). If MS had this back in 1997, you know Oracle had it before then. afy

  75. But who wins in the end? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I personally don't like Microsoft... but you have to ask yourself if Media Player is removed who is affected by this in a negative way?

    Microsoft. Oh, you meant in the short term? Possibly users. In the long term however this stops Microsoft being able to leverage their desktop monopoly into a format monopoly (where was.wma 3 years ago?) into a media player monopoly (where were.wma players 3 years ago? you can now buy windows only wma only players) into a net-broadcast monopoly (that you can only view with media player on an approved platform).

    In the long run it might be necessary to hurt consumers a little bit today to protect them tomorrow. Ideally the solution will involve forcing them to support a patent unencumbered license unencumbered format alongside (or instead of) wma to ensure they can't use their existing monopoly to destroy interoperability. itj

  76. The Ballad of Matthew Dillon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There once was a fellow named Dillon [imdb.com]
    Whom everyone thought was a villain [aboutmary.com],
    He cried, "That's not me!"
    "I use BSD!"
    "Because I find it fulfillin'."

    W xci

  77. Coffee and music -- Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's say you're sitting at a Starbucks, drinking some coffee. You hear a song over the speakers you happen to like. All you have to do is call out: "Could I get this on a CD, please?" They burn you the CD. On your way out (or right then) you pick it up... It works perfectly together... kr

  78. A plea for relief from Microsoft's escalating ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    A plea for relief from Microsoft's escalating anti-competitive tactics. [blogspot.com]

    An open letter to antitrust, competition, consumer and trade practice monitoring agency officials worldwide.

    The role of trade practice and antitrust legislation is to provide the consumer with protection from abusive business practices and monopolies. In one of the most serous cases of monopolization in the information technology industry, the agencies charged with protecting the competitive process and the consumer have utterly failed to stem the offending corporation's anti-competitive practices.

    The Microsoft corporation has been under continuous investigation by antitrust policing agencies since 1989. Despite this scrutiny, the Microsoft corporation, using covert and overt anti-competitive business tactics, has maintained an unabated campaign against alternatives to Microsoft Windows operating system platforms and Microsoft applications.

    For years the Microsoft corporation has earned around 70% to 80% net profit from sales of its operating systems and application software. Only in areas like Thailand where GNAA/Linux on the desktop has just begun to gain a foothold has Microsoft stated that it will release versions of its operating system platform and application software at a lower price to Original Equipment Manufactures (OEMs) and retail consumers than is available in the rest of the modern world. Consumers benefit where real competition exists.

    The world desktop operating system market remains predominantly monopolized by Microsoft. Over the last decade, Microsoft continued to lever its desktop platform monopoly to the point where it now holds a dominant position worldwide in the application office suite and web browser software markets. On its own, the current USA Department Of Justice (DOJ) settlement with the Microsoft corporation has failed to bring about any restoration of serous competition to the desktop operating system market. Microsoft continues to use similar anti-competitive business tactics in an attempt to monopolize the digital media player and the desktop services server markets. Competing vendors increasingly find that they can no longer compete with Microsoft if they limit themselves to only the traditional closed source model of software development.

    In the last six years information technology vendors have adopted techniques and resources from two existing movements geared toward the construction of software. The newer open source movement, represented by the non-profit Open Source Initiative (OSI) corporation, emphasizes the licensing of software in a manner which encourages its collaborative development in an open environment. The older free software movement, represented by the non-profit Free Software Foundation (FSF), focuses on the ethical issues surrounding the licensing of software. The free software movement emphasizes freedoms which are often taken for granted outside of the field of software: the freedom to use, study how something works, improve or adapt it and redistribute.

    The Free Software Foundation offers two software license schemes which are compatible with their own goals and those of the Open Source Initiative: The GNU General Public License (GPL) and the GNU Library General Public License (LGPL). Essentially, the GPL and LGPL licenses grant the recipient extra rights than that granted by copyright law. Both licenses insure that a contributer or distributer of a GPL or LGPL licensed work may not further impede downstream recipients the rights granted by the same license. Many developing software in an open source manner have realized that this benefit offered by the GPL and LGPL licenses outweigh any potential losses. The licensing also insures that no contributing or distributing vendor or group of vendors could potentially monopolize the market, insuring that real market competition dictates price. Just as the automotive industry can commonize on standards

  79. Visa Commercial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except it would be a Mastercard commercial. xg

  80. Cars, DVDs, what's the difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the fact that the DVD is pure information and a car is a physical object, not subject to casual duplication, might be a difference, but who knows? co

  81. Sedition and Internet free speach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sedition is defined as speach which advocates the immedate and violent overthrow of the government in a fashion as to provide a clear and present danger, if my memory serves me correctly.
    My question is, would an internet website fall into that catigory, as it does not have the same force as say, Hitler in the Haufbrauhause with like, 2,000 SA going to storm the Bavarian capital building. It does have a wider audience, but due to the decentralized nature I doubt that a website can provide a clear and present danger or immediate action at all. Am I wrong? Does the PATRIOT Act redefine it in such a way as to make it "terrorism?" sb

  82. US Army Needs This Robot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As I recall, the US Army was suffering from a shortage of bugle players to play taps for the passing generation of soldiers. They developed a digital bugle [geek.com] that can play taps even if the bugler is incompetent, drunk, or both.

    Since Toyota has now developed a vastly more complicated technology that can be used to solve the same problem as the slightly complicated one above, I look forward to future Pentagon procurement hearings.

    Note to self: Sarcasm in this post often results in massive retribution.
    uke

  83. Re:Not easy to port from Microsoft to KDE librairi by effco · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes It seems it's easier to port from MFC to wxWindows :
    http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/lib rar y/l-mfc/

  84. Predictable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why am I not surprised Microsoft claims its an internal problem?

    Actually, it would make more sense when Microsoft would claim it was an attack. Internal problems can be blaimed on the company (bad software design, bad system administration, etc.), external attacks can't, only for a lack of security or something like that. But in most cases, a company gets away quite well with an external attack. as

  85. Legality of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the legality of An Anti-DoS Tool That Returns Fire [slashdot.org]? It sounds pretty vigilante to me, but what sort of laws would be applicable to it? yj

  86. Blazingly high? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the Crusoe chip. These machines have a new chip, the Efficeon. Quoting from the article:

    "The new Efficeon TM8600 is designed to improve performance while maintaining the low power consumption required by ultraportable notebooks--such as the 2-pound MM20. Sharp's tests showed that Efficeon delivers about 1.4 times the performance of Crusoe, Hanly says."

    I don't know if 1.4 times the Crusoe should be considered fast, but at least it's faster... doa

  87. sliding down the glass.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hey, remember linus signed some pretty odd things during LCA:)

    Yeah, my wife still refuses to wash her left breast.... nu

  88. Precedent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I'm not sure, but I don't think the US extradites US citizens to other countries.
    Well, that's what we have the Internet for, isn't it?

    Extracted from the US to:
    Ireland [archives.tcm.ie]

    Hong Kong [info.gov.hk]

    Yugoslavia [geocities.com]

    I am by no means an expert on this, these are just some google results. iaq

  89. MICHAEL SUCKS COCK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    STORY AT 11

  90. Consider the Jihad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    michael - Background Information

    Michael is perhaps the most hated editor on Slashdot, with the absence of JonKatz. Before signing on as an editor on Slashdot, Michael Sims was busy making a name for himself as a colossal jerk in the Censorware scandal. He then moved on to Slashdot, his feeling of self-importance and small-mindedness in tow, where his ability to abuse his power is exercised constantly.

    Modus Operandi

    Michael is known for his derisive attitude towards Slashdot readers, unrealistic and hypocritic stance on nearly every issue, and generally obnoxious behavior.

    Injustices

  91. Re:Not easy to port from Microsoft to KDE librairi by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

    Well, not really. It's still a huge leap. Then you have the problem that wxWindows apps don't really feel native on any platform, which makes it a suboptimal solution. If you're going to port an app IMHO you should do it properly and get native UI in there (GTK or Qt) and maybe leave the backend to Winelib until you've got it all ported over to platform abstractions that work, unlike widget toolkit abstractions.

  92. Re:Not easy to port from Microsoft to KDE librairi by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Nope, not really. MFC is totally dependent on Win32, it exposes details all over the place like the message passing model, window handles and so on. It's also a disgustingly ugly API.

    I'd love to know how this "porting and migration center" is going to deal with all the desktop software that isn't as easy to port as UNIX server software is. It's not even like OpenOffice can deal with all MS Office documents, in particular the ones where people abuse Excel as a database, have MS Access databases lying around, write VBScript apps in Word etc.

  93. I'd say it's overblown except by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    that almost nobody is really taking this seriously, so the lack of interest in space defense seems about right to me. The human species has survived 2 million years without going the way of the dinosaur. It seems like there are many reasons to not stress out about this:
    • Low risk/reward ratio, public money is much better spent elsewhere. If someone else wants to spend their money on this, more power to them.
    • Our technology is very rapidly advancing, especially relative to the amount of time that passes (on average) between significant asteroid hits. 100 years ago we were completely helpless. 50 years ago, we had nukes, but no missles that were even close to being able to deliver them, in another 50 or 100 years, this may be a yawner due to general technology advances.

    To be completely flippant (and yes, I do realize there is a risk, I just think it is relatively low)... boring! I just hope this doesn't turn into another cause where misguided celebrities drive us into spending money on it disproportionally like certain trendy diseases. fnk