Your answer is perplexing and does not get at the root of my question. Maybe if I can rephrase it.
Right now if somebody makes fun of MS it does not bother me. It also does not bother me if somebody makes fun of Ford, GM, Maytag, Best Buy, Proctor and Gamble, or any other corporation on the face of this planet.
If I make fun of MS though it DOES bother you. In fact it bothers so much that you feel compelled to comment about it in your signature. Since I have not noticed anything in your signature about Maytag of any other corporation I was wondering why you chose one corporation to worship as opposed to another and why you choose to worship any corporation at all.
After all I use products by lots of corporations and yet I don't feel compelled to defend them on slashdot.
I hope that clarifies my question. Why worship (er I mean defend) any corporation and how is that you chose to stick up this corporation rather then another one. What makes M$ so special to your heart? Why do you love them over all other corporations of the world?
Apparently the AG is also confused about the difference between a criminal and civil offense. Copyright infringement is not a crime, it's a civil offense punishable by being sued not jail time.
Why don't you answer the question? Are you ashamed of your worship of this corporation? It seems weird to choose to worship a corporation and yet not be willing to answer a simple question like that.
Yes it's about your sig. Apparently it bothers you so much when somebody refers to your God as M$ that you felt compelled to put it in your signature and broadcast it with every comment.
I was wondering why you corporate shills get so upset about it.
When 9/11 hit many financial institutions got back to work in less then a day. You know why? It's because they didn't trust their mission critical infrastructure to PC grade hardware running windows that's why.
P.S order for VMS went up dramatically after 9/11, that ought to tell you something.
BTW how come you shills get so riled up about M$? I mean how does that interfere with your worship of the corporation you revere so much? It's hilarious to watch you guys go into apoplexy every time somebody types in M$ as it they insulted God er I mean Bill Gates.
They put the word "subnational" in there so that the US and Israel won't fit the definition.
Although interestingly the CIA and Mossad (and maybe even the IDF) might because they are "clandestine agents".
It's perfectly OK for nations to commit acts that are "premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets "... "usually intended to influence an audience." You just can't do it if you are not a nation.
The UN is not democratic. There are a hanful of very powerful countries which can veto any resulision they don't like.
The oil for food programs was an aboniation because it was done to counteract the immoral and illegal embargo which caused the death and sickness to millions of people.
"The UN was created as a forum such that memeber coutries could debate issues and policies without resorting to war."
It has been a miserable failure in that regard. The UN was unable to prevent a strong country from invading, occupying and controlling the natural resources of a weaker country. My mom told me it was wrong to hit people and steal their shit even if I wanted it or needed it.
Because I use OO every day and I work in a lerge corporation. I get send DOC and XLS files every day that are opened in OO and I send DOC and XLS files that I created in OO EVERY DAY. I know it's a failry tale because it contradicts my real world experiences.
"Your boss is not a statistically significant sample set."
Neither is his boss.
"If all you do is send very basic Word docs - paragraphs, bullets, etc. - then it makes sense that there wouldn't be an issue. The problems arise in more complicated formatting efforts and sometimes in longer documents (or both)."
I don't know what your definition of simple and complicated are. I exchange documents that contain tables, XLS files that contain charts, multiple tabs etc. Certainly they represent the typical documents created by the people who work in my company.
"What OSS zealots fail to realize:"
Fuck you asshole. You don't get a pass by calling people who disagree with you zealots. Even though I would rather be called a OSS Zealot then a corporate astro turfing shill sycophant like you any day.
"customers expect their documents to be FULLY functional. "
I don't deal with customer. I deal with co-workers who deal with customers. My co-workers send the documents I create to customers. Since not one person has ever complained I am presument that my documents are FULLY FUNCTIONAL.
"The organization will appear unprofessional and the now-former customer will find a vendor who has its collective act together."
Since my company shows no sign of losing customers and in fact is growing like a weed I can safely presume my use of OO is not harming our business one little bit.
Corel still sells wordperfect and IBM still sells Wordpro (smartsuite). Why don't you try one of those. I used to really like wordperfect but these days there is nothing I need that jedit can't do.
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"which means almost any unix program will work on it with relative ease (mostly a compile) - and if you need X protocol support, you have that too, without the hassle."
Bah. True but only half true. Sure you can attempt to compile anything you want but lacks a real official package system. If you have any dependencies then you have to download each one and compile it too.
Sure there is fink and darwinports but both of them are very small compared to the freebsd ports or apt,
I like my mac but don't pretend that it's somehow easy to get your favorite OSS program working on it. It's possible but it's such a pain in the ass it's not worth doing.
It all depends on where you live. Sure if you live in NY or LA 100K isn't jack shit. OTOH if you are living in ohio or nebraska it's plenty.
Your figures are high for most of the country although they do apply in a few large cities. Last I checked the mean salary in the US was something like 35K. Yes people actually manage live and raise families for that kind of pay. No they don't drive BMWs, have 42" plasma screens or ipods.
What is he trying to say. That linux should not have office software because somebody already wrote one or that the office software for linux should look and act completely different the microsoft version.
Either way the guy is a complete idiot and should be ignored. Both of those ideas are moronic and anybody who advocates them demonstrates a complete lack of common sense.
The whole concept of Usability is a bit of a canard. For the 99% of the people on this planet in order for something to be usable it must act and look exactly like a MS product. If it does not then they can't use it. Of course making your product look and act like an MS product is sure to get you sued but that's another discussion altogether.
People who measure usablity measure wrong things. They don't measure how easy a program is to use they measure how easy a program is to learn. There is a subtle but profound difference between the two. It may be easier to learn something if there is a tabbed interface with a dozen tabs on it and the user can waste 5 minutes looking for the option he wants but it is by no means easier to use.
This is central dillema. Programs like vi, emacs, sed, awk, find etc are very hard to learn but once you have learned them they are easy to use. They make you more productive. When it comes to usablity nobody seems to care about the people who have taken the time learn something, they all want to concentrate on grandmas who can't tell the difference between turning off the monitor and turning off the computer.
"But these are the choices that we have to make, and live with."
My point is that it was not our choice. Sure it was his choice to gain weight and not exercize but once he had the heart attack the doctors did what they did. Every time he had a heart attack the doctors saved his life because they could. I admit that we were complicit in that we called 911 and told the doctors to save him. They did what we asked them to.
Looking back on it I kind of wish the doctors had the wisdom not to save him. God was calling him, he was supposed to die.
That's a long exposition but it does not answer my question. Perhaps If I illustrate.
Let's say for example that I have written a new table type for mysql. If I keep the copyright on this code mysql could never include it in a non GPLed "fork" without my permission. I own the copyright and I get to dictate what happens to the code.
So in order to utilize my code for commercial purposes mysql will ask that I turn over the copyright to them. Once they own the copright all my rights to the code are gone.
My question is this. At this point, now that mysql owns the copyright to my code why can't they just include that new table type in a commercial version but not the GPLed version. That way then can sell a "better" mysql while giving away the GPLed version.
The irony is that if I then try to resubmit my code under the GPL to a fork they could sue me for copyright infringement because I no longer own that code.
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Your answer is perplexing and does not get at the root of my question. Maybe if I can rephrase it.
Right now if somebody makes fun of MS it does not bother me. It also does not bother me if somebody makes fun of Ford, GM, Maytag, Best Buy, Proctor and Gamble, or any other corporation on the face of this planet.
If I make fun of MS though it DOES bother you. In fact it bothers so much that you feel compelled to comment about it in your signature. Since I have not noticed anything in your signature about Maytag of any other corporation I was wondering why you chose one corporation to worship as opposed to another and why you choose to worship any corporation at all.
After all I use products by lots of corporations and yet I don't feel compelled to defend them on slashdot.
I hope that clarifies my question. Why worship (er I mean defend) any corporation and how is that you chose to stick up this corporation rather then another one. What makes M$ so special to your heart? Why do you love them over all other corporations of the world?
Apparently the AG is also confused about the difference between a criminal and civil offense. Copyright infringement is not a crime, it's a civil offense punishable by being sued not jail time.
Why don't you answer the question? Are you ashamed of your worship of this corporation? It seems weird to choose to worship a corporation and yet not be willing to answer a simple question like that.
Why is that?
Yes it's about your sig. Apparently it bothers you so much when somebody refers to your God as M$ that you felt compelled to put it in your signature and broadcast it with every comment.
I was wondering why you corporate shills get so upset about it.
What's particularly sick is that not only have we accepted this but that we actually seem to like it.
When 9/11 hit many financial institutions got back to work in less then a day. You know why? It's because they didn't trust their mission critical infrastructure to PC grade hardware running windows that's why.
P.S order for VMS went up dramatically after 9/11, that ought to tell you something.
Oh and don't forget about how Linus gave SCO 12 million dollars to sue MS.
BTW how come you shills get so riled up about M$? I mean how does that interfere with your worship of the corporation you revere so much? It's hilarious to watch you guys go into apoplexy every time somebody types in M$ as it they insulted God er I mean Bill Gates.
They put the word "subnational" in there so that the US and Israel won't fit the definition.
... "usually intended to influence an audience." You just can't do it if you are not a nation.
Although interestingly the CIA and Mossad (and maybe even the IDF) might because they are "clandestine agents".
It's perfectly OK for nations to commit acts that are "premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets "
NO fuckwad. It's OK to retaliate when somebody shits on you.
That's the problem with you astro turfers, they can dish it out but they can't take it.
The UN is not democratic. There are a hanful of very powerful countries which can veto any resulision they don't like.
The oil for food programs was an aboniation because it was done to counteract the immoral and illegal embargo which caused the death and sickness to millions of people.
"The UN was created as a forum such that memeber coutries could debate issues and policies without resorting to war."
It has been a miserable failure in that regard. The UN was unable to prevent a strong country from invading, occupying and controlling the natural resources of a weaker country. My mom told me it was wrong to hit people and steal their shit even if I wanted it or needed it.
"How exactly do you know it's a fairy tale?"
Because I use OO every day and I work in a lerge corporation. I get send DOC and XLS files every day that are opened in OO and I send DOC and XLS files that I created in OO EVERY DAY. I know it's a failry tale because it contradicts my real world experiences.
"Your boss is not a statistically significant sample set."
Neither is his boss.
"If all you do is send very basic Word docs - paragraphs, bullets, etc. - then it makes sense that there wouldn't be an issue. The problems arise in more complicated formatting efforts and sometimes in longer documents (or both)."
I don't know what your definition of simple and complicated are. I exchange documents that contain tables, XLS files that contain charts, multiple tabs etc. Certainly they represent the typical documents created by the people who work in my company.
"What OSS zealots fail to realize:"
Fuck you asshole. You don't get a pass by calling people who disagree with you zealots. Even though I would rather be called a OSS Zealot then a corporate astro turfing shill sycophant like you any day.
"customers expect their documents to be FULLY functional. "
I don't deal with customer. I deal with co-workers who deal with customers. My co-workers send the documents I create to customers. Since not one person has ever complained I am presument that my documents are FULLY FUNCTIONAL.
"The organization will appear unprofessional and the now-former customer will find a vendor who has its collective act together."
Since my company shows no sign of losing customers and in fact is growing like a weed I can safely presume my use of OO is not harming our business one little bit.
Nice fairy tale. I send OO docs saved as DOC files to my boss all the time. He has never once complained.
Corel still sells wordperfect and IBM still sells Wordpro (smartsuite). Why don't you try one of those. I used to really like wordperfect but these days there is nothing I need that jedit can't do.
"which means almost any unix program will work on it with relative ease (mostly a compile) - and if you need X protocol support, you have that too, without the hassle."
Bah. True but only half true. Sure you can attempt to compile anything you want but lacks a real official package system. If you have any dependencies then you have to download each one and compile it too.
Sure there is fink and darwinports but both of them are very small compared to the freebsd ports or apt,
I like my mac but don't pretend that it's somehow easy to get your favorite OSS program working on it. It's possible but it's such a pain in the ass it's not worth doing.
"If it's the latter, then they're going to use the license as an excuse to rape you."
Why do they have to choose between the two. They will probably prevent spam, save money AND rape you till get raw.
It all depends on where you live. Sure if you live in NY or LA 100K isn't jack shit. OTOH if you are living in ohio or nebraska it's plenty.
Your figures are high for most of the country although they do apply in a few large cities. Last I checked the mean salary in the US was something like 35K. Yes people actually manage live and raise families for that kind of pay. No they don't drive BMWs, have 42" plasma screens or ipods.
"If MS wants to win the trust of the OSS community, they will need to put out something more significant and not some old unimportant code."
Well they could start by dialing down their rhetoric and stop calling us all Un american, communist, cancer etc.
Then maybe they could stop lobbying the govt to make open source illegal.
Finally they could stop being such assholes.
Really just do number 3 the rest will probably fall into place.
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What is he trying to say. That linux should not have office software because somebody already wrote one or that the office software for linux should look and act completely different the microsoft version.
Either way the guy is a complete idiot and should be ignored. Both of those ideas are moronic and anybody who advocates them demonstrates a complete lack of common sense.
The whole concept of Usability is a bit of a canard. For the 99% of the people on this planet in order for something to be usable it must act and look exactly like a MS product. If it does not then they can't use it. Of course making your product look and act like an MS product is sure to get you sued but that's another discussion altogether.
People who measure usablity measure wrong things. They don't measure how easy a program is to use they measure how easy a program is to learn. There is a subtle but profound difference between the two. It may be easier to learn something if there is a tabbed interface with a dozen tabs on it and the user can waste 5 minutes looking for the option he wants but it is by no means easier to use.
This is central dillema. Programs like vi, emacs, sed, awk, find etc are very hard to learn but once you have learned them they are easy to use. They make you more productive. When it comes to usablity nobody seems to care about the people who have taken the time learn something, they all want to concentrate on grandmas who can't tell the difference between turning off the monitor and turning off the computer.
"But these are the choices that we have to make, and live with."
My point is that it was not our choice. Sure it was his choice to gain weight and not exercize but once he had the heart attack the doctors did what they did. Every time he had a heart attack the doctors saved his life because they could. I admit that we were complicit in that we called 911 and told the doctors to save him. They did what we asked them to.
Looking back on it I kind of wish the doctors had the wisdom not to save him. God was calling him, he was supposed to die.
That's a long exposition but it does not answer my question. Perhaps If I illustrate.
Let's say for example that I have written a new table type for mysql. If I keep the copyright on this code mysql could never include it in a non GPLed "fork" without my permission. I own the copyright and I get to dictate what happens to the code.
So in order to utilize my code for commercial purposes mysql will ask that I turn over the copyright to them. Once they own the copright all my rights to the code are gone.
My question is this. At this point, now that mysql owns the copyright to my code why can't they just include that new table type in a commercial version but not the GPLed version. That way then can sell a "better" mysql while giving away the GPLed version.
The irony is that if I then try to resubmit my code under the GPL to a fork they could sue me for copyright infringement because I no longer own that code.
Thank you for making my point. Somebody has you so scared that you'd vote for anybody who would "kill the terrorists".