Let's all guess at what will happen to the CEO of a company that bought a company for 12.5 billion and sold it for 105 million.
a) He will be fired immediately and will lose all of his "golden parachute" benefits. b) He will be demoted and will get a cut in pay. c) He will be administratively punished perhaps by receiving a bad review from his board. It will go on his permanment record. d) He will receive a bonus worth tens of millions of dollars, he will remain a CEO for a little while longer then he will quit and move on to another company where he will do it again.
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"If anything, buying Novell and thus SUSE, would indemnify all the SUSE users against SCO since Sun has a defined relationship with SCO allowing use of any SCO unix works."
Of course it would. But then again Novell has already imdenified all the SUSE users so that's pretty much useless. It would not however imdenify IBM or anybody else would it? SUN and MS have a common enemy in IBM. MS just gave sun a buttload of money for no apparent reason (supposedly some ip cross licensing). It's not farfetched to think that MS and sun are about gang up on IBM is it?
If you work for sun I feel sorry for you. Your company is about to embark upon a lawsuit strategy that's going to make SCO look like angels. They have nothing left to sell that anybody wants so they are going to see if they can squeeze money out of people who use linux.
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Sun is thinking about buying novell because they think novell owns linux. They have followed the SCO case and novell is asserting rights to the sysV codebase and apparently this has them pretty confused.
They are probably thinking they can buy novell, get ownership of sysV, sue IBM. Chances are pretty strong that this is what that deal with MS was all about. MS is going to use Sun as their next puppet to attack linux with.
I have heard of CEOs getting coked up and fucking women on the conference tables. It sounds like a life of drugs, booze and orgies AND you get paid tens of millions of dollars.
Just exactly how stupid do you have to be to become a CEO these days anyway. More importantly how come somebody who is that stupid, that clueless gets paid tens of millions dollars per year.
Can I become a CEO if I take a lot of acid and forget everything I know or do you just have to do a lot of coke?
Recently there was a case in which a rotweiler attacked a child. Both owners were tried.
In most corporations a relatively small number of people hold the majority of the stock. Frequently the majority of the stock is held by a single person or a familiy. there is no reason you can't try a few or a hundred people if a corporation kills hundreds of people or rips off a few billion dollars.
" There _are_ good things about corporations and our free market economy"
Of course there are. Just like there are great dogs that help people. In fact most dogs are great, the rabid ones are a small minority.
"Making shareholders liable would defeat the original purpose of the corporation which was limited-liability"
I guess this has to go. I find it offensive that there is an instrument whose sole purpose is to shirk personal responsiblity. It just goes against my moral training.
"It will be even harder for regular people to file for patents, while the corporations still can afford it."
you realize that it already takes about 20K to get a patent don't you. It's already out of the regular peoples reach. I get a patentable idea every day. If it was cheap and easy every single one of those ideas would be a patent by now.
If the corporation is the same as a person then doesn't it have second amendment rights? This seems to make sense since it definately has first and fourth amendment rights.
The reason I am asking is that a corporation is a psychotic entity. Just like a mass murderer it can feel no empathy towards anyone and is unable to control it's compultions. Studies have definitively shown that lack of impulse control and inability to feel empathy towards others is a necassary (though not sufficient) attribute of being a mass murderer.
Maybe that's too harsh. Maybe the corporation is not like a person at all. Maybe it's more like a dog. A dog is a living being, it certainly has some rights but not the same as humans. There are laws against cruelty to animals and yet it's legal to put down a dog when it becomes harmful to others.
Corporations should be treated like dogs. The shareholders are the owners and it's up to them to make sure their dog is properly trained, contained and leashed so as not to harm others. Needless to say the shareholders are also responsible for cleaning up after their dog when it shits in the park.
If a dog becomes violent and hurts people then it should be put down. The corporation should be TAKEN AWAY FROM THE SHAREHOLDERS AND KILLED WITH NO COMPENSATION WHATSOEVER TO THE SHAREHOLDERS. Furthermore the shareholders should be tried for the crimes of their corporations just like dog owners are.
The folks at mysql are busy adding things like stored procedures, triggers and all kinds of doodads. They already have sapdb so why bother. Keep mysql what it is. A lightweight sql interface for the filesystem.
Postgresql is awsome but so are firebird and sapdb. This year ingres from CA is about to be open sourced. I have never used it but it's certainly an enterprise ready database.
If you ask me the people at mysql should abandon their quest to make mysql into postgres. Every feature you add is just going to make it slower and more complicated so why not leave mysql as the lightweight, fast alternative to full featured databases I listed above.
I am sure they tried to. The patent holders held out for a judgement gambling that they would get more money from a judgement.
On the other hand MS has "settled" with borland, sun, corel, apple, and hundreds of other companies. Some companies will take the money and let go of the case other companies hold out.
First of all netscape the original browser has nothing to do with mozilla which is a complete rewrite.
Secondly software is written by humans. If a set of human beings wrote a software with a 1000 bugs in it that means they were inept and sloppy. If a software has two bugs in it then it means the programmers were smarter and more careful.
A piece of software with a atrocious history like IE was obviously coded by sloppy stupid programmers and is likely to have lots of bugs in it. DJBDNS was written by a very smart and careful person and that means it's not likely to have many bugs in it.
"The quality, severity and frequency of reported bugs is no indication of a product's buggy future"
really? None? Not even a tiny little bit? So you are telling me that tinydns which has never been hacked is just as likely to have an exploit in it as IE or bind? That you are just as lilkely to be hacked using IIS as you are using apache?
Do you apply the same line of reasoning to other aspects of your life. For example if person A has never raped a child and person B has raped and killed 20 children they are both just as likely to rape a child in the future right? After all preveious performance has zero bearing on future performance right?
"If this is so important, use an OO language to write them"
Great if you have oracle. Sucks if you have SQL server.
" You refuted your own argument -- use a naming convention. Also, use packages."
naming tricks are stupid. Paackages again great if you have oracle sucks if you don't.
"I'm not sure what this even means or why it is desireable."
If I write call a method in my middle tier and pass in the wrong data type the compiler tells me that and the build fails. Do the same thing in T-SQL and you don't know till it executes.
I am sure that will be great once ir hits the market.
" You CAN check in your DML scripts (I'm not saying a lot of people do...)"
Most people don't.
"I'm not sure what you mean by this. SQL Server, and the tools I used for Oracle, both give me compilation errors if I try to save invalid code."
That's great for the SP you are working on at the time. What it does not tell you is if you are passing a wrong type of parameter to another SP (that possibly somebody else wrote). For example if I write a method in java that calls another method of another object and passes the wrong type of argument the compiler will tell me and the build will break.
"You COULD create test scripts that execute SPs with various parameters."
Although I like and use freebsd I would submit that debian is more of a "wholistic" OS then freebsd is. Frequently the post I really need won't build on freebsd. Just today for example I tried to build net-snmp and it won't build. I don't know why. I googled for an answer and the best I could make out is that the port is broken because you can build the latest source by hand no problem.
I know there are exceptptions but in most cases....
1) Stored procedures are not written in an object oriented language and are almost always not written in an object oriented way.
2) Stored procedures are not checked into a version control engine.
3) There is no sane way to organize them beyond manimg tricks. No breaking up your stuff using directories for example.
4) No global compilation. No way to check ahead of time whether you just broke another SP by passing a string instead of a number in as a parameter. You won't know that till it runs.
5) No unit testing frameworks.
6) No cohesive way to examine code flow. What you end up with is a mountain of code snippets scattered all across your database. Cross your fingers and hope each step gets excuted properly.
7) No real debugger. No stepping through the code, no breakpoints, no watches.
8) Most commercial databases charge you per CPU. This means your CPU cycles are best used to keep data integrity, process queries and return recordsets. Most middle tiers are not licensed on a per CPU basis so you can afford to throw a lot of CPU cycles into executing code.
9) Last but not least you can couple your middle tier using a high speed interlink so there is no real need to use SPs.
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Name one instance where a corporation had it's charter pulled becuase it was not benefitting the public good.
Let's all guess at what will happen to the CEO of a company that bought a company for 12.5 billion and sold it for 105 million.
a) He will be fired immediately and will lose all of his "golden parachute" benefits.
b) He will be demoted and will get a cut in pay.
c) He will be administratively punished perhaps by receiving a bad review from his board. It will go on his permanment record.
d) He will receive a bonus worth tens of millions of dollars, he will remain a CEO for a little while longer then he will quit and move on to another company where he will do it again.
"If anything, buying Novell and thus SUSE, would indemnify all the SUSE users against SCO since Sun has a defined relationship with SCO allowing use of any SCO unix works."
Of course it would. But then again Novell has already imdenified all the SUSE users so that's pretty much useless. It would not however imdenify IBM or anybody else would it? SUN and MS have a common enemy in IBM. MS just gave sun a buttload of money for no apparent reason (supposedly some ip cross licensing). It's not farfetched to think that MS and sun are about gang up on IBM is it?
If you work for sun I feel sorry for you. Your company is about to embark upon a lawsuit strategy that's going to make SCO look like angels. They have nothing left to sell that anybody wants so they are going to see if they can squeeze money out of people who use linux.
Sun is thinking about buying novell because they think novell owns linux. They have followed the SCO case and novell is asserting rights to the sysV codebase and apparently this has them pretty confused.
They are probably thinking they can buy novell, get ownership of sysV, sue IBM. Chances are pretty strong that this is what that deal with MS was all about. MS is going to use Sun as their next puppet to attack linux with.
I have heard of CEOs getting coked up and fucking women on the conference tables. It sounds like a life of drugs, booze and orgies AND you get paid tens of millions of dollars.
Sigh.. How come I can't get a job like that.
Just exactly how stupid do you have to be to become a CEO these days anyway. More importantly how come somebody who is that stupid, that clueless gets paid tens of millions dollars per year.
Can I become a CEO if I take a lot of acid and forget everything I know or do you just have to do a lot of coke?
Recently there was a case in which a rotweiler attacked a child. Both owners were tried.
In most corporations a relatively small number of people hold the majority of the stock. Frequently the majority of the stock is held by a single person or a familiy. there is no reason you can't try a few or a hundred people if a corporation kills hundreds of people or rips off a few billion dollars.
" There _are_ good things about corporations and our free market economy"
Of course there are. Just like there are great dogs that help people. In fact most dogs are great, the rabid ones are a small minority.
"Making shareholders liable would defeat the original purpose of the corporation which was limited-liability"
I guess this has to go. I find it offensive that there is an instrument whose sole purpose is to shirk personal responsiblity. It just goes against my moral training.
Only if they think their corporation will commit crimes or harm people.
"It will be even harder for regular people to file for patents, while the corporations still can afford it."
you realize that it already takes about 20K to get a patent don't you. It's already out of the regular peoples reach. I get a patentable idea every day. If it was cheap and easy every single one of those ideas would be a patent by now.
If the corporation is the same as a person then doesn't it have second amendment rights? This seems to make sense since it definately has first and fourth amendment rights.
The reason I am asking is that a corporation is a psychotic entity. Just like a mass murderer it can feel no empathy towards anyone and is unable to control it's compultions. Studies have definitively shown that lack of impulse control and inability to feel empathy towards others is a necassary (though not sufficient) attribute of being a mass murderer.
Maybe that's too harsh. Maybe the corporation is not like a person at all. Maybe it's more like a dog. A dog is a living being, it certainly has some rights but not the same as humans. There are laws against cruelty to animals and yet it's legal to put down a dog when it becomes harmful to others.
Corporations should be treated like dogs. The shareholders are the owners and it's up to them to make sure their dog is properly trained, contained and leashed so as not to harm others. Needless to say the shareholders are also responsible for cleaning up after their dog when it shits in the park.
If a dog becomes violent and hurts people then it should be put down. The corporation should be TAKEN AWAY FROM THE SHAREHOLDERS AND KILLED WITH NO COMPENSATION WHATSOEVER TO THE SHAREHOLDERS. Furthermore the shareholders should be tried for the crimes of their corporations just like dog owners are.
This would solve the problem once and for all.
The folks at mysql are busy adding things like stored procedures, triggers and all kinds of doodads. They already have sapdb so why bother. Keep mysql what it is. A lightweight sql interface for the filesystem.
Postgresql is awsome but so are firebird and sapdb. This year ingres from CA is about to be open sourced. I have never used it but it's certainly an enterprise ready database.
If you ask me the people at mysql should abandon their quest to make mysql into postgres. Every feature you add is just going to make it slower and more complicated so why not leave mysql as the lightweight, fast alternative to full featured databases I listed above.
I am sure they tried to. The patent holders held out for a judgement gambling that they would get more money from a judgement.
On the other hand MS has "settled" with borland, sun, corel, apple, and hundreds of other companies. Some companies will take the money and let go of the case other companies hold out.
First of all netscape the original browser has nothing to do with mozilla which is a complete rewrite.
Secondly software is written by humans. If a set of human beings wrote a software with a 1000 bugs in it that means they were inept and sloppy. If a software has two bugs in it then it means the programmers were smarter and more careful.
A piece of software with a atrocious history like IE was obviously coded by sloppy stupid programmers and is likely to have lots of bugs in it. DJBDNS was written by a very smart and careful person and that means it's not likely to have many bugs in it.
"The quality, severity and frequency of reported bugs is no indication of a product's buggy future"
really? None? Not even a tiny little bit? So you are telling me that tinydns which has never been hacked is just as likely to have an exploit in it as IE or bind? That you are just as lilkely to be hacked using IIS as you are using apache?
Do you apply the same line of reasoning to other aspects of your life. For example if person A has never raped a child and person B has raped and killed 20 children they are both just as likely to rape a child in the future right? After all preveious performance has zero bearing on future performance right?
TO be fair most people don't probram using java SPs in oracle. Most people use PL/SQL which has the same kind of defeciencies as T/SQL.
.net languages (yet). It will be "RealSoonNow" which in MS terms means when longhorn comes out.
No SQL server does not have
The real problem is that browsers were never meant to be front ends to databases.
Take a piece of paper and put two columns on it.
On one column list all the IE exploits in the other list all the mozilla exploits.
Choose whichever one has the least.
"If this is so important, use an OO language to write them"
Great if you have oracle. Sucks if you have SQL server.
" You refuted your own argument -- use a naming convention. Also, use packages."
naming tricks are stupid. Paackages again great if you have oracle sucks if you don't.
"I'm not sure what this even means or why it is desireable."
If I write call a method in my middle tier and pass in the wrong data type the compiler tells me that and the build fails. Do the same thing in T-SQL and you don't know till it executes.
"As of SQL Server 2005"
I am sure that will be great once ir hits the market.
" You CAN check in your DML scripts (I'm not saying a lot of people do...)"
Most people don't.
"I'm not sure what you mean by this. SQL Server, and the tools I used for Oracle, both give me compilation errors if I try to save invalid code."
That's great for the SP you are working on at the time. What it does not tell you is if you are passing a wrong type of parameter to another SP (that possibly somebody else wrote). For example if I write a method in java that calls another method of another object and passes the wrong type of argument the compiler will tell me and the build will break.
"You COULD create test scripts that execute SPs with various parameters."
Just make sure no real data gets changed.
What does that mean? Is it stable enough to be a server? I mean would it be as rock solid as the intel version.
Although I like and use freebsd I would submit that debian is more of a "wholistic" OS then freebsd is. Frequently the post I really need won't build on freebsd. Just today for example I tried to build net-snmp and it won't build. I don't know why. I googled for an answer and the best I could make out is that the port is broken because you can build the latest source by hand no problem.
That's not the first time that happened to me.
Or better yet when is freebsd going to be available on PPC. I'd love to install freebsd on my G5 (really I would! it would make a better server)
I know there are exceptptions but in most cases....
1) Stored procedures are not written in an object oriented language and are almost always not written in an object oriented way.
2) Stored procedures are not checked into a version control engine.
3) There is no sane way to organize them beyond manimg tricks. No breaking up your stuff using directories for example.
4) No global compilation. No way to check ahead of time whether you just broke another SP by passing a string instead of a number in as a parameter. You won't know that till it runs.
5) No unit testing frameworks.
6) No cohesive way to examine code flow. What you end up with is a mountain of code snippets scattered all across your database. Cross your fingers and hope each step gets excuted properly.
7) No real debugger. No stepping through the code, no breakpoints, no watches.
8) Most commercial databases charge you per CPU. This means your CPU cycles are best used to keep data integrity, process queries and return recordsets. Most middle tiers are not licensed on a per CPU basis so you can afford to throw a lot of CPU cycles into executing code.
9) Last but not least you can couple your middle tier using a high speed interlink so there is no real need to use SPs.
Feel free to add to the list. SPs are not good.