He is from Oklahoma. Have you ever been there? If have been there then you would know why he is acting the way he is. To him everybody who is not from OK or TX is "one of them sumbitches". The word "sumbitch" by the way is the most used word in Oklahoma as in "I'll have some eyygs (eggs) and one of those submtiches over there".
Go visit OK some time, it's an interesting sociological learning experience.
"WTF? I can't remember the last time I saw FreeBSD ports break. Not even a SINGLE package."
Ah come on now. I have run freebsd servers for years and I can tell you from direct experience that there have been numerous times I could not get one port or another to build. The one I remember being pissed off the most was net-snmp for a while. I waited for months and emailed the author but it still didn't get fixed so I had to compile from source (something I do not like to do as a matter of course).
With all those ports there are bound to be defects at some time or another. I also remember I had problems with sablotron for a while too.
"If so I can certainly understand why he would feel that Diebold is the best outfit for the job, given the company's notorious Republican-friendly past statements."
Since Idaho wouldn't vote for jesus if he ran as a democrat this is probably just payback to diebold. A nice fat govt contract to say "thank you for what you did for us in Ohio".
Lets face it. The chances that these machines will be tampered with in the field are small. There is a much greater chance the machines will be tampered at Diebold. Switching even one vote out of 10,000 can sway an election from one party to the next. Since Deibold has pledged allegience to the republican party it seems to me the democrats should take apart the code bit by bit to see that random votes for democrats aren't switched to the republicans.
During the last two elections there were widespread differences between exit polling and the actual vote. If the vote was being monitored by the UN in any other country this would be the number one flag that something fishy is going on.
Here is the rub. If Matt Damon was the kernel PR rep and he didn't know his spinlocks from a hole in the ground then he would be crappy rep. That's the problem in a nutshell. I for one prefer people who know what they are talking about to people who are pretty.
As I said replace somebody with brains and a work ethic with somebody who is merely good looking.
Sad but typical. Hey let's also replace linus with Matt Damon. He knows nothing about kernels but he is good looking and wears expensive watches. As a bonus he is an American!.
We don't have to stop there do we? Doesn't alan cox have a long beard and hair? Let's chuck him too, I nominate charlie sheen!. I bet he will look great on his blog homepage. Sure the kernel development may suffer but that's not important is it?
"Nice analogy in your attempt to say that all the major corporations own these words but Exxon isn't a word."
Looks like it went right over your head there. Exxon isn't a word, neither is joomla, novell, ebay, nissan or whatever. My point is that you guys are always bitching about open source names without realzing that most company and product names are not words either. Why? Because virtually all words are owned by somebody or another. That's why there is the nissan maxima and the BMW X5.
"Not to mention the fact that your analogy tends to break down when you have iRobot the book and iRobot the company."
Only because nobody has bothered to sue yet. Look at apple records and Apple computers. They are on their second suit already.
Yes, lets get rid of one of the smartest and the hardest working people in the open source ecosystem. Let's replace him with somebody who looks good in an armani suit and who can afford 500 dollar shoes. I nominate Ben Affleck. Yea, imagine how far OSS could go if we replaced Stallman with Ben Affleck!. Now that would spell success!.
Look there is no dispute that most CxO types are incredibly shallow and incredibly stupid. They make the vast majority of their decisions based on how things look. The company with the biggest ad, the best colored product, the best logo, the sales man with the most expensive suit, the hottest account rep etc. Anybody who has worked in corporate america knows that CIOs value an ad in PC-Magazine or CIO magazine more highly then a thousand benchmarks. They value a garner report then a million testimonials from actual people doing actual work.
The real question is do we want linux to be another lotus notes? A crappy, ugly mess of a program that is wildly popular in the fortune 500 for no other reason then because IBM has salesmen with really really shiny shoes. Do we really want to sink down to the level of these idiots running corporate america. Do we really want to kiss their asses and beg them to use our operating system knowing full well that they will continue to demand hotter account reps and shinier shoes while completely ignoring the real things like security, performance and yes freedom and joy.
I for one am really reluctant to go into that pit. There is no getting out of it.
Really. According to these articles ROR was able to scale to more then a million hits per day spread out over 14 hours or so. That's around 20 dynamic pages per second and 85 gig of data PER DAY.
That's a real world application running today on ruby on rails, linux, mysql and fascgi.
How much of a developer productivity hit are you willing to take on the off chance that you will hit a limitation of Ruby or ROR?
The "java scales but fill-in-the-blank doesn't" crowd doesn't know jack about risk managment. They are willing to take all kinds of hits on developer productivity, deployment headaches, maintenance nightmares on the off chance that their web application will need to be the size of amazon.com or ebay. Silly don't you think?
I know this is a familiar dig (ha ha look at those stooopid open source developers, they don't have the brains to name their project novell, or exxon or soething) but the reality is that all the english words are already owned by corporations. You can't name your product anything sensible because all the words are owned and you will get sued.
Should the open source developers risk getting sued for you? Just to give you a name you are more likely to approve of?
There is a solution though. You and people who think like you can put together a fund and hire lawyers. You can promise open source people that you will defend them if a corporation sues them for using a name that sounds vaguely like a product they made 50 years ago. You can then also lobby congress to make owning of common english words (like windows, word, money, or excel) illegal and strip those rights away from the companies that claim them.
I couldn't agree more. You know what the saddest part is? The applet could have saved us years ago. Only if Sun wasn't so incompetent and MS wans't full of such evil bastards.
"If the goal is to target desktop linux toward those people, we're failing. The more we deny the fact, the longer it will take to fix it. Assuming people even want it to be fixed."
Your post is so full of ignorant remarks I don't know where to start. I chose to start here....
The goal is not the desktop of your mom and dad. The goal is the desktop of the corporation. That's where the desktop is being pushed and that's where the desktop will succeed. Companies like Sun, Novell, IBM, RedHat and Ubuntu all have the corporate desktop in their sights. Once the corporate desktop falls (and it will) then the rest of the dominos will tumble along because all of a sudden companies like dell, canon, kodak, hp etc will not be able say no to making drivers available.
By the way you lost all credibility when you mentioned glibc. I know this whole "my momma don't want to compile" FUD is still in the big book of MS FUDology but nobody has had to compile anything for a long time. The masochists who insist on using gentoo and freebsd excepted of course:)
So you need to strike that entry from your big FUD book and update the rest of your crap too. I see now you have been reduced to "don't tell me it works" or "don't tell me it worked for you mother, it won't work for mine". That's a crappy line of FUD. You are not going to win any bonus points for those. You are admitting that it works for some moms (like mine!) and that's a slippery slope. You should never admit that the desktop works for anybody at anytime, it undermines the rest of your FUD efforts.
"And incidentally, average users who do try to make the switch don't appreciate the attitude of superiority spouted by so many in the OSS community."
Yes, I am sure they are much more impressed by the attitude of the pimply kid down at circuit city who looks at you vacantly when tell them you are having problems with your new PC. I am sure they also appreciate the operator at MS telling them that they have to pay in order to get help too. That's Soooooooo much better then some stranger taking the time out of their busy life trying to help out with your problem while you piss all over them for not acting fast enough or being polite enough.
Read what he said. Here let me break it down for you.
1) There are experts who claim there is MS IP in linux. 2) To the degree 1) is true we OWE it to our shareholders to sue. "To have a stratedy" is shorthand for sue for there can be no other strategy to deal with IP.
It's so sad. People are so used to bondage by their vendors they can't deal with choice. people are so used to be told what to do and how to do it they are actively wishing for a "desktop god" to tell them what to do.
If you want to write an app for windows you pretty much have to use.NET these days..NET is no faster then Java and in many ways slower then Java even on windows.
So there is no degraded performance. You either program in Java or c#. The languages are pretty much identical so there is not even added effort.
Really it's a no brainer. Use Java and gain 10% more potential customers.
User: My computer won't come on. me: Did you plug it in? User: Yes. Me: What happens when you turn on the computer. User: It makes a weird sound Me: I better come over and take a look.
I go over and turn the monitor on for her. The weird sound was the hard drive turning on and the initial beep.
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He is from Oklahoma. Have you ever been there? If have been there then you would know why he is acting the way he is. To him everybody who is not from OK or TX is "one of them sumbitches". The word "sumbitch" by the way is the most used word in Oklahoma as in "I'll have some eyygs (eggs) and one of those submtiches over there".
Go visit OK some time, it's an interesting sociological learning experience.
"WTF? I can't remember the last time I saw FreeBSD ports break. Not even a SINGLE package."
Ah come on now. I have run freebsd servers for years and I can tell you from direct experience that there have been numerous times I could not get one port or another to build. The one I remember being pissed off the most was net-snmp for a while. I waited for months and emailed the author but it still didn't get fixed so I had to compile from source (something I do not like to do as a matter of course).
With all those ports there are bound to be defects at some time or another. I also remember I had problems with sablotron for a while too.
"If so I can certainly understand why he would feel that Diebold is the best outfit for the job, given the company's notorious Republican-friendly past statements."
Since Idaho wouldn't vote for jesus if he ran as a democrat this is probably just payback to diebold. A nice fat govt contract to say "thank you for what you did for us in Ohio".
Lets face it. The chances that these machines will be tampered with in the field are small. There is a much greater chance the machines will be tampered at Diebold. Switching even one vote out of 10,000 can sway an election from one party to the next. Since Deibold has pledged allegience to the republican party it seems to me the democrats should take apart the code bit by bit to see that random votes for democrats aren't switched to the republicans.
During the last two elections there were widespread differences between exit polling and the actual vote. If the vote was being monitored by the UN in any other country this would be the number one flag that something fishy is going on.
Here is the rub. If Matt Damon was the kernel PR rep and he didn't know his spinlocks from a hole in the ground then he would be crappy rep. That's the problem in a nutshell. I for one prefer people who know what they are talking about to people who are pretty.
I know python can do it. For some reason nobody has written something like for ruby.
Typical.
As I said replace somebody with brains and a work ethic with somebody who is merely good looking.
Sad but typical. Hey let's also replace linus with Matt Damon. He knows nothing about kernels but he is good looking and wears expensive watches. As a bonus he is an American!.
We don't have to stop there do we? Doesn't alan cox have a long beard and hair? Let's chuck him too, I nominate charlie sheen!. I bet he will look great on his blog homepage. Sure the kernel development may suffer but that's not important is it?
"Nice analogy in your attempt to say that all the major corporations own these words but Exxon isn't a word."
Looks like it went right over your head there. Exxon isn't a word, neither is joomla, novell, ebay, nissan or whatever. My point is that you guys are always bitching about open source names without realzing that most company and product names are not words either. Why? Because virtually all words are owned by somebody or another. That's why there is the nissan maxima and the BMW X5.
"Not to mention the fact that your analogy tends to break down when you have iRobot the book and iRobot the company."
Only because nobody has bothered to sue yet. Look at apple records and Apple computers. They are on their second suit already.
I haven't heard anybody from IBM, Sun or Mozilla foundation complain that the developers were not wearing expensive suits. Have you?
Yes, lets get rid of one of the smartest and the hardest working people in the open source ecosystem. Let's replace him with somebody who looks good in an armani suit and who can afford 500 dollar shoes. I nominate Ben Affleck. Yea, imagine how far OSS could go if we replaced Stallman with Ben Affleck!. Now that would spell success!.
Ha Ha. Hollyweird. That's funny dude. I get it. They are weird because they don't think like you!. LOL. That's fucking hilarious dude.
Look there is no dispute that most CxO types are incredibly shallow and incredibly stupid. They make the vast majority of their decisions based on how things look. The company with the biggest ad, the best colored product, the best logo, the sales man with the most expensive suit, the hottest account rep etc. Anybody who has worked in corporate america knows that CIOs value an ad in PC-Magazine or CIO magazine more highly then a thousand benchmarks. They value a garner report then a million testimonials from actual people doing actual work.
The real question is do we want linux to be another lotus notes? A crappy, ugly mess of a program that is wildly popular in the fortune 500 for no other reason then because IBM has salesmen with really really shiny shoes. Do we really want to sink down to the level of these idiots running corporate america. Do we really want to kiss their asses and beg them to use our operating system knowing full well that they will continue to demand hotter account reps and shinier shoes while completely ignoring the real things like security, performance and yes freedom and joy.
I for one am really reluctant to go into that pit. There is no getting out of it.
Is there a way to write an activeX control or a DLL in ruby? That's what I need to replace some VB activex controls.
"Java kills RoR in speed, ram, and scalability. "
Really. According to these articles ROR was able to scale to more then a million hits per day spread out over 14 hours or so. That's around 20 dynamic pages per second and 85 gig of data PER DAY.
That's a real world application running today on ruby on rails, linux, mysql and fascgi.
How much of a developer productivity hit are you willing to take on the off chance that you will hit a limitation of Ruby or ROR?
The "java scales but fill-in-the-blank doesn't" crowd doesn't know jack about risk managment. They are willing to take all kinds of hits on developer productivity, deployment headaches, maintenance nightmares on the off chance that their web application will need to be the size of amazon.com or ebay. Silly don't you think?
Yes, lets slam pamela. She is worthless scum. She should be run out of town I tellya.
Let's put porkThreeWays in there instead. He is so much wiser.
I know this is a familiar dig (ha ha look at those stooopid open source developers, they don't have the brains to name their project novell, or exxon or soething) but the reality is that all the english words are already owned by corporations. You can't name your product anything sensible because all the words are owned and you will get sued.
Should the open source developers risk getting sued for you? Just to give you a name you are more likely to approve of?
There is a solution though. You and people who think like you can put together a fund and hire lawyers. You can promise open source people that you will defend them if a corporation sues them for using a name that sounds vaguely like a product they made 50 years ago. You can then also lobby congress to make owning of common english words (like windows, word, money, or excel) illegal and strip those rights away from the companies that claim them.
Plone.
Really all those people writing yet-aother-cms-system should just stop and start using plone.
I couldn't agree more. You know what the saddest part is? The applet could have saved us years ago. Only if Sun wasn't so incompetent and MS wans't full of such evil bastards.
"If the goal is to target desktop linux toward those people, we're failing. The more we deny the fact, the longer it will take to fix it. Assuming people even want it to be fixed."
:)
Your post is so full of ignorant remarks I don't know where to start. I chose to start here....
The goal is not the desktop of your mom and dad. The goal is the desktop of the corporation. That's where the desktop is being pushed and that's where the desktop will succeed. Companies like Sun, Novell, IBM, RedHat and Ubuntu all have the corporate desktop in their sights. Once the corporate desktop falls (and it will) then the rest of the dominos will tumble along because all of a sudden companies like dell, canon, kodak, hp etc will not be able say no to making drivers available.
By the way you lost all credibility when you mentioned glibc. I know this whole "my momma don't want to compile" FUD is still in the big book of MS FUDology but nobody has had to compile anything for a long time. The masochists who insist on using gentoo and freebsd excepted of course
So you need to strike that entry from your big FUD book and update the rest of your crap too. I see now you have been reduced to "don't tell me it works" or "don't tell me it worked for you mother, it won't work for mine". That's a crappy line of FUD. You are not going to win any bonus points for those. You are admitting that it works for some moms (like mine!) and that's a slippery slope. You should never admit that the desktop works for anybody at anytime, it undermines the rest of your FUD efforts.
"And incidentally, average users who do try to make the switch don't appreciate the attitude of superiority spouted by so many in the OSS community."
Yes, I am sure they are much more impressed by the attitude of the pimply kid down at circuit city who looks at you vacantly when tell them you are having problems with your new PC. I am sure they also appreciate the operator at MS telling them that they have to pay in order to get help too. That's Soooooooo much better then some stranger taking the time out of their busy life trying to help out with your problem while you piss all over them for not acting fast enough or being polite enough.
What?
Read what he said. Here let me break it down for you.
1) There are experts who claim there is MS IP in linux.
2) To the degree 1) is true we OWE it to our shareholders to sue. "To have a stratedy" is shorthand for sue for there can be no other strategy to deal with IP.
How else are you supposed to read that statement?
Wow somebody defends MS anonymously on slashdot and gets modded up to 5!.
So much for linux bias around here.
It's so sad. People are so used to bondage by their vendors they can't deal with choice. people are so used to be told what to do and how to do it they are actively wishing for a "desktop god" to tell them what to do.
We need linux now more then ever.
"degraded performance "
.NET these days. .NET is no faster then Java and in many ways slower then Java even on windows.
If you want to write an app for windows you pretty much have to use
So there is no degraded performance. You either program in Java or c#. The languages are pretty much identical so there is not even added effort.
Really it's a no brainer. Use Java and gain 10% more potential customers.
In the mean time apple will have released two versions of their operating system implementing most if not all of the promised features of vista.
Wow.
True story.
User: My computer won't come on.
me: Did you plug it in?
User: Yes.
Me: What happens when you turn on the computer.
User: It makes a weird sound
Me: I better come over and take a look.
I go over and turn the monitor on for her. The weird sound was the hard drive turning on and the initial beep.