Needless to say I completey disagree with your conclusions as to the nature of corporations.
As I said the entire purpose of setting up a corporation (as opposed to a partnership or a privately owned business) is to shield oneself from taking responsibility for ones decisions. Shirking responsibility is the main purpose of creating a corporation in the first place. The secondary purpose being saving on taxes.
As for getting my money back I tried that once with windows it didn't work. Apparently you are not allowed to get your money back for software.
So gripe all you want. Soon the corporations will take away our rights to sue them civilly and they are already above the law all will go your way and you will be all happy. Corporations already are allowed to kill without being executed or jailed for life, they can steal billions and get a slap on the wrist. The poo fucker who holds up a 7-11 gets ten years in jail while the rich fuck who steals a few billions gets fined 1/100th of what he stole and lives to do it again in another company.
Corporations are beings but they have no soul, they are sociopathic and are unable to feel empathy. They are sick beings who are amoral and dangerous to society at large. There are better ways to structure business without resorting to these dangerous entities.
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There is no such thing as a self contained EXE for VB. It seems that your bosses computer had the proper runtimes already installed.
Oh one more thing. VB is never the right tool. It was merely the tool you knew how to use. In this case Delphi was probably the right too.
Right now the judges already have the power to throw out frivolous cases. I don't know why they don't use it but I would not trust a judge to decide what is and what is not a frivolous case. I think that should be left up to a jury.
"All of the poisonous anti-corporate/business rhetoric actually gets to some people and they begin to think that companies actually owe them something just for existing, and owe them a lot more if they are in any way inconvenienced. This is a cultural problem, made worse by a media-based celebration of victimhood and misfortune-as-fortune. The prevailing sense of entitlement is truly astonishing, and this is just another sorry example. "
1) Corporations (especially MS) deserve all the poisonous rhetoric we can throw at them. Lucky for them since they are above the law that's pretty much all we can do to them. If my neighbor acted like your typical corporation they would be committed or jailed.
2) Nobody thinks that corporations owe them anything. We just want what we paid for and we expect it to work like they told us.
3) The deck is stacked so highly in favor of corporations that lawsuits are the only tools we have left. Those too will be taken away soon.
4) no human being feels as much of a sense of entitlement as a corporation does. They are constatly holding their hands out for money from the taxpayers and getting them.
5) Corporations were invented to shirk personal responsibility. Since we are unable to personally hold the decison makers responsible for their actions we have to go after the corporations themselves. The people who invented corporations wanted it that way so they should stop their whining.
Sorry but soul-less immortal entities get no sympathy from me. It's bad enough they have the same rights as actual humans without any of the responsibility.
I really wish people would stop calling debian (and even linux) a product. Furthermore it would be very helpful if people stopped thinking about it as a product too.
Linux is a gift to the world, it's a game, it's a social experiment, it's the last ditch attempt at building a selfless meritocracy but it's not a product.
"You can't distribute under the GPL if the resultant object(s) contains GPL and non-GPL code (i.e. encumbered code which we did not have the rights to re-license under the GPL)."
Right. This means the specific files which contained code you did not have the rights to re-license would not be under the GPL. What about the rest of the code?
"The GPL isn't the be all and end all of software licensing you know."
Of course not. But it is a very important license and other licenses have in time made changes to accomodate the adoption of their code into GPLed projects. MPL is a perfect example of this. Somehow they were able to figure out how to make their code be usable in GPLed projects.
The purpose of the open source movement is to give users the freedom to redistribute and modify their code. Sun by specifically excluding the GPL has chosen to deny the vast GPL community any access to their code. They have done this despite (maybe because of) the fact that for decades the first think sun users usually do is to install the GNU toolkit into their boxes.
For decades the existance of the GNU toolset made life bearable for Solaris users and by specifically excluding the authors who write GPLed software sun has slapped them in the face. I am not saying that they didn't have the right to do that, it's their code and they can do whatever they want. I am merely saying that it's insulting and ungrateful for Sun to spit in the face of the GPL community after being the beneficiery of that community for decades.
Are you telling me that the application you wrote will never be debugged, or maintained in the future. That it needs no testing or documentation? That it will never be deployed anywhere?
If so what you wrote was not an application, it was a script.
Most likely because there was a large donation from MS.
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I honestly don't know why companies like MS spend so much time trying to make programs easier to write. The initial building of the application is less then 10% of the lifecycle of the application and it makes no sense to try to make it faster to BUILD the application. They should instead concentrate on making it easier to maintain, debug, update, install, document, and deploy the application.
That's where Eclipse and the rest of the java stack beats the.NET stack hands down. Unit testing, build systems, xdoclet, maven, etc combined with the MVC frameworks are much better then anything MS gives you.
ROR, django, zope, webobjects etc are also fantastic frameworks that look to the long term and help ease the drugdery of maintaining and debugging complex applications.
VS.NET makes it all to easy to slap a few controls on a page, embed the SQL into the that page and display a gee-whiz grid but you pay for that every day the application is in existance.
Who was it that said "get me an economist with only one arm so he won't ever say 'but on the other hand'"?
The ugly reality is that economics is a quack science. Economists state as fact things they "think ought to be true" just like the feng shiu people or the crytal healing people. No amount of fact will dissuade them.
For example. Ask any economist what will happen if the minimum wages are increased and they will say it will lead to inflation and unemployment. Point out to them that minimum wages have been raised hundreds of times all over the world without an increase in inflation or unemployment and that no such correlation can be made with even the most liberal use of statistics and they will ignore you and keep saying that thhink ought to be true. Kind of like trying to convince somebody it wasn't their crytal necklace that cured them of the flu.
What do you mean "lame-ass command line tools". In what way are they lame? Do they not work? I find the command line tools to be very powerful and easy to work with.
Why is a $notnerd maintaining something as important as your directory and authentication? Any CIO who hires a button pusher to maintain something as crucial as identity servers should be fired on the spot.
Alas Mr Smith never bothered to take into account the cost of economic growth on natural resources. He simply presumed there would be infinate amount of air, water, trees, coal, etc.
The reality of course is that economic growth can only occur when natural resources are harvested and processed (even if it's simply for food and shelter).
The tradegy is that most current economists also go on the same premise.
"You say that anything that hurts Microsoft is good, but my dislike of Microsoft is not an a priori value, that doesn't need to be defended. "
Although there are lots of very valid reasons to dislike Ms my point has nothing to do with liking or disliking them. It has to do with the economy at large.
Monopolies are bad for capitalism and monopolies are bad for consumers. Ms is a monoploy and therefore is bad for both capitalism and consumers. Any act or weapon which harms Ms is good for capitalism and good for consumers. Furthermore Ms is a plague on both the IT industry and the open source movement so anything that harms Ms is good for both open source and the IT industry as a whole.
So despite the fact that both of us do not approve of patents they exist. If they are to exist I will cheer their use against a blight like Ms anytime it is used against them. It's very important for the IT industry, open source, consumers and capitalism that Ms be brought down to the level of other competitors. As a monopoly they are destructive force which is a blight on society.
How about neither? How about we all get a little less selfish and live more simply, and take the fucking bus, and live closer to work, and have smaller lawns, and live in cities, and buy less shit.
I don't think the future generations will thank you because you fucked them one way and not another. They will only care that you chose to fuck them rather then sacrifice a little when you had the choice.
The reason why the storage is problem is hard to solve is the same reason you need to in the first place. People are selfish and they don't give a shit about you or the future generations. Just like you want them to STFU and shove your nuclear easte down their throats they want to tell the future generations to STFU and live with the fact that they chose to drive a two ton vehicle three blocks to get their groceries and the fact that they chose to live 50 miles away from their work with a huge lawn and spend two hours driving their 200lb body back and forth to work in their two ton vehicle.
People are selfish. They don't care about anybody but themselves. It's what makes capitalism work so you can't undo it either.
That's a strange post. Sometimes vile weapons are used against vile people. I think an intelligent person can see shades of grey and see the good that comes out of use of patents sometimes.
IN this case if it hurts MS then it's good, if it makes it harder to hack IE then that's even better.
I think most plug ins probalby violate the patent but Eolas has promised ont sue other browsers. Probalby because they can't get any money from opera or firefox.
What I really want to know is does this mean MS doesn't have to pay Eolas? Do they owe anything for years of infringement?
"I would suggest that you've either screwed them over, or you're having hardware or possibly power problems."
First of all to counter the standard FUD let me state that I dual boot my machine with Ubuntu which seems to handle the exact same hardware without any problems.
As to what I am doing (with both operating systems) is development. When I am in windows I have VS.NET, SQL server, query analyzer, enterprise manager, jedit, firefox, and a few other programs running constantly. I also VPN into the clients network because I am working remotely.
When I am in Linux it's mostly eclipse or jedit, mysql AND postgresql running, apache, firefox, tuhunderbird and a half a dozen terminal windows.
"What I don't do is install random crap I download from dubious sources on the internet, "
Why not? I install and uninstall stuff on my ubuntu setup all the time. Either via apt or by compiling if it's not in the multiverse (ifolder for example). Applications are not supposed to crash your operating system.
"You'll no more believe my claims of XP's stablity than I'll believe yours that it crashes a couple of times a week. "
Which is more likely that my windows crashes twice a week or that your windows hasn't crashed since 2001?
"I haven't seen a serious crash from a Windows box (either at home or for 4 years at work) since about 2001 apart from driver problems clearly caused by NVidia."
I don't know what you mean by a "serious crash" but both my windows 2000 machine and XP machine crash pretty regularly. Not twice a day like windows 9x did but at least twice a week.
I suspect you are not really doing anything serious with your machine if your windows hasn't crashed in four years. In fact I doubt you are even using it if your windows hasn't crashed in four years.
"Of course this isn't in line with/. groupthink so I'll be immediately modded into oblivion."
If you get modded down I suspect it will be because nobody believes you and your statements counter our real life experiences.
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Needless to say I completey disagree with your conclusions as to the nature of corporations.
As I said the entire purpose of setting up a corporation (as opposed to a partnership or a privately owned business) is to shield oneself from taking responsibility for ones decisions. Shirking responsibility is the main purpose of creating a corporation in the first place. The secondary purpose being saving on taxes.
As for getting my money back I tried that once with windows it didn't work. Apparently you are not allowed to get your money back for software.
So gripe all you want. Soon the corporations will take away our rights to sue them civilly and they are already above the law all will go your way and you will be all happy. Corporations already are allowed to kill without being executed or jailed for life, they can steal billions and get a slap on the wrist. The poo fucker who holds up a 7-11 gets ten years in jail while the rich fuck who steals a few billions gets fined 1/100th of what he stole and lives to do it again in another company.
Corporations are beings but they have no soul, they are sociopathic and are unable to feel empathy. They are sick beings who are amoral and dangerous to society at large. There are better ways to structure business without resorting to these dangerous entities.
There is no such thing as a self contained EXE for VB. It seems that your bosses computer had the proper runtimes already installed.
Oh one more thing. VB is never the right tool. It was merely the tool you knew how to use. In this case Delphi was probably the right too.
Right now the judges already have the power to throw out frivolous cases. I don't know why they don't use it but I would not trust a judge to decide what is and what is not a frivolous case. I think that should be left up to a jury.
"All of the poisonous anti-corporate/business rhetoric actually gets to some people and they begin to think that companies actually owe them something just for existing, and owe them a lot more if they are in any way inconvenienced. This is a cultural problem, made worse by a media-based celebration of victimhood and misfortune-as-fortune. The prevailing sense of entitlement is truly astonishing, and this is just another sorry example. "
1) Corporations (especially MS) deserve all the poisonous rhetoric we can throw at them. Lucky for them since they are above the law that's pretty much all we can do to them. If my neighbor acted like your typical corporation they would be committed or jailed.
2) Nobody thinks that corporations owe them anything. We just want what we paid for and we expect it to work like they told us.
3) The deck is stacked so highly in favor of corporations that lawsuits are the only tools we have left. Those too will be taken away soon.
4) no human being feels as much of a sense of entitlement as a corporation does. They are constatly holding their hands out for money from the taxpayers and getting them.
5) Corporations were invented to shirk personal responsibility. Since we are unable to personally hold the decison makers responsible for their actions we have to go after the corporations themselves. The people who invented corporations wanted it that way so they should stop their whining.
Sorry but soul-less immortal entities get no sympathy from me. It's bad enough they have the same rights as actual humans without any of the responsibility.
Too bad none of what you say applies to software huh?
I really wish people would stop calling debian (and even linux) a product. Furthermore it would be very helpful if people stopped thinking about it as a product too.
Linux is a gift to the world, it's a game, it's a social experiment, it's the last ditch attempt at building a selfless meritocracy but it's not a product.
There I got that off my chest now.
"You can't distribute under the GPL if the resultant object(s) contains GPL and non-GPL code (i.e. encumbered code which we did not have the rights to re-license under the GPL)."
Right. This means the specific files which contained code you did not have the rights to re-license would not be under the GPL. What about the rest of the code?
"The GPL isn't the be all and end all of software licensing you know."
Of course not. But it is a very important license and other licenses have in time made changes to accomodate the adoption of their code into GPLed projects. MPL is a perfect example of this. Somehow they were able to figure out how to make their code be usable in GPLed projects.
The purpose of the open source movement is to give users the freedom to redistribute and modify their code. Sun by specifically excluding the GPL has chosen to deny the vast GPL community any access to their code. They have done this despite (maybe because of) the fact that for decades the first think sun users usually do is to install the GNU toolkit into their boxes.
For decades the existance of the GNU toolset made life bearable for Solaris users and by specifically excluding the authors who write GPLed software sun has slapped them in the face. I am not saying that they didn't have the right to do that, it's their code and they can do whatever they want. I am merely saying that it's insulting and ungrateful for Sun to spit in the face of the GPL community after being the beneficiery of that community for decades.
Are you telling me that the application you wrote will never be debugged, or maintained in the future. That it needs no testing or documentation? That it will never be deployed anywhere?
If so what you wrote was not an application, it was a script.
Most likely because there was a large donation from MS.
I honestly don't know why companies like MS spend so much time trying to make programs easier to write. The initial building of the application is less then 10% of the lifecycle of the application and it makes no sense to try to make it faster to BUILD the application. They should instead concentrate on making it easier to maintain, debug, update, install, document, and deploy the application.
.NET stack hands down. Unit testing, build systems, xdoclet, maven, etc combined with the MVC frameworks are much better then anything MS gives you.
That's where Eclipse and the rest of the java stack beats the
ROR, django, zope, webobjects etc are also fantastic frameworks that look to the long term and help ease the drugdery of maintaining and debugging complex applications.
VS.NET makes it all to easy to slap a few controls on a page, embed the SQL into the that page and display a gee-whiz grid but you pay for that every day the application is in existance.
Who was it that said "get me an economist with only one arm so he won't ever say 'but on the other hand'"?
The ugly reality is that economics is a quack science. Economists state as fact things they "think ought to be true" just like the feng shiu people or the crytal healing people. No amount of fact will dissuade them.
For example. Ask any economist what will happen if the minimum wages are increased and they will say it will lead to inflation and unemployment. Point out to them that minimum wages have been raised hundreds of times all over the world without an increase in inflation or unemployment and that no such correlation can be made with even the most liberal use of statistics and they will ignore you and keep saying that thhink ought to be true. Kind of like trying to convince somebody it wasn't their crytal necklace that cured them of the flu.
What do you mean "lame-ass command line tools". In what way are they lame? Do they not work? I find the command line tools to be very powerful and easy to work with.
Why is a $notnerd maintaining something as important as your directory and authentication? Any CIO who hires a button pusher to maintain something as crucial as identity servers should be fired on the spot.
Alas Mr Smith never bothered to take into account the cost of economic growth on natural resources. He simply presumed there would be infinate amount of air, water, trees, coal, etc.
The reality of course is that economic growth can only occur when natural resources are harvested and processed (even if it's simply for food and shelter).
The tradegy is that most current economists also go on the same premise.
LOL. Imagine that, a fucking slashdot stalker questioning the sanity of somebody else. That's a keeper!.
I must say I do feel a little flattered. You are my first and only stalker.
"I think software patents are wrong."
Me too.
"You say that anything that hurts Microsoft is good, but my dislike of Microsoft is not an a priori value, that doesn't need to be defended. "
Although there are lots of very valid reasons to dislike Ms my point has nothing to do with liking or disliking them. It has to do with the economy at large.
Monopolies are bad for capitalism and monopolies are bad for consumers. Ms is a monoploy and therefore is bad for both capitalism and consumers. Any act or weapon which harms Ms is good for capitalism and good for consumers. Furthermore Ms is a plague on both the IT industry and the open source movement so anything that harms Ms is good for both open source and the IT industry as a whole.
So despite the fact that both of us do not approve of patents they exist. If they are to exist I will cheer their use against a blight like Ms anytime it is used against them. It's very important for the IT industry, open source, consumers and capitalism that Ms be brought down to the level of other competitors. As a monopoly they are destructive force which is a blight on society.
How about neither? How about we all get a little less selfish and live more simply, and take the fucking bus, and live closer to work, and have smaller lawns, and live in cities, and buy less shit.
I don't think the future generations will thank you because you fucked them one way and not another. They will only care that you chose to fuck them rather then sacrifice a little when you had the choice.
What? You mean like going out and patenting the clickwheel after the ipod already came out?
Ms is patenting everything and anything. They will use the patents if their business takes a serious downturn a-la SCO.
The reason why the storage is problem is hard to solve is the same reason you need to in the first place. People are selfish and they don't give a shit about you or the future generations. Just like you want them to STFU and shove your nuclear easte down their throats they want to tell the future generations to STFU and live with the fact that they chose to drive a two ton vehicle three blocks to get their groceries and the fact that they chose to live 50 miles away from their work with a huge lawn and spend two hours driving their 200lb body back and forth to work in their two ton vehicle.
People are selfish. They don't care about anybody but themselves. It's what makes capitalism work so you can't undo it either.
MS would be the first in line to fight your idea. THere is a reason they are piling up the patents you know.
That's a strange post. Sometimes vile weapons are used against vile people. I think an intelligent person can see shades of grey and see the good that comes out of use of patents sometimes.
IN this case if it hurts MS then it's good, if it makes it harder to hack IE then that's even better.
I think most plug ins probalby violate the patent but Eolas has promised ont sue other browsers. Probalby because they can't get any money from opera or firefox.
What I really want to know is does this mean MS doesn't have to pay Eolas? Do they owe anything for years of infringement?
"I would suggest that you've either screwed them over, or you're having hardware or possibly power problems."
First of all to counter the standard FUD let me state that I dual boot my machine with Ubuntu which seems to handle the exact same hardware without any problems.
As to what I am doing (with both operating systems) is development. When I am in windows I have VS.NET, SQL server, query analyzer, enterprise manager, jedit, firefox, and a few other programs running constantly. I also VPN into the clients network because I am working remotely.
When I am in Linux it's mostly eclipse or jedit, mysql AND postgresql running, apache, firefox, tuhunderbird and a half a dozen terminal windows.
"What I don't do is install random crap I download from dubious sources on the internet, "
Why not? I install and uninstall stuff on my ubuntu setup all the time. Either via apt or by compiling if it's not in the multiverse (ifolder for example). Applications are not supposed to crash your operating system.
"You'll no more believe my claims of XP's stablity than I'll believe yours that it crashes a couple of times a week. "
Which is more likely that my windows crashes twice a week or that your windows hasn't crashed since 2001?
That's what they told you and you believed them.
"I haven't seen a serious crash from a Windows box (either at home or for 4 years at work) since about 2001 apart from driver problems clearly caused by NVidia."
/. groupthink so I'll be immediately modded into oblivion."
I don't know what you mean by a "serious crash" but both my windows 2000 machine and XP machine crash pretty regularly. Not twice a day like windows 9x did but at least twice a week.
I suspect you are not really doing anything serious with your machine if your windows hasn't crashed in four years. In fact I doubt you are even using it if your windows hasn't crashed in four years.
"Of course this isn't in line with
If you get modded down I suspect it will be because nobody believes you and your statements counter our real life experiences.