This is just a logical outcome of being reviled by society at large. Persecuted minorities will gather together in groups in order to protect themselves. This is also why places like chinatown exist.
FUD articles like this usually ignore the fact that java exists. Java does exist and.NET is just a ripoff of it. Java has a better ide then.net (yes eclipse, netbeans and idea are all better the VS), has a richer library, integrates fantastically with the OS (syslog etc), has a much more robust and active community and costs nothing to use.
Look at what happened with VS.NET 2005. After years of being half as productive as eclipse users MS finally gave them a decent build sytem, a unit testing framework, and something like javadoc. Needless to say they blatantly ripped off ant and junit all the while making their product incompatible of course. Somehow they forgot about ripping off hibernate and xdoclet though which I found odd.
Anyway after two years of working with primitive tools which didn't have any refactoring support or half the shit java developers have been taking for granted they now have a product which is 80% as good as eclipse. FOr the next two years eclipse will continue to pull ahead and the VS.NET people will not know any better because they finally got a few new features in VS and are soooooo happy and proud.
Plants are already grown so why not make fuel out of them? Oil has already been made an consumed why not make fuel with the waste oil? China has already driven the apple farmer out of business why not plant canola and sell the oil?
Mr sycophant has no real answer. He tells me my arguments are bullshit but offers no counter arguments. You are a pretty crappy shill there ms fan boi. If you want Bill Gates to notice your efforts you are going to have to do better.
Hi, I am a liberterian. I am pro abortion, pro prostitution, pro guns, pro drugs, anti farm subsidies, anti mining subsidies, anti logging subsidies. I want to sell all the national forests to the higest bidder, I want to eliminate all health, safety, and pollution regulations and simultaniously severly limit your ability to sue corporations. I am anti union, anti overtime, anti minimum wage, and I want to make it legal for companies to discriminate against any racial, religious, sex, sexuality, or for any group actually.
Please vote for me.
LOL!.
With a platform like that I am shocked you guys don't run the world.
It's more about not staying where you are not wanted. Bush sr said that atheists are not real americans and should be allowed to vote for example. The exact quote was " I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
This is the president of the USA telling atheist citizens that they don't belong in the country. Other members of this administration have made similar remarks about atheists, collage professors, environmentalists, femminists, homosexuals and other people they hate.
Why stay in a country that you are not wanted in? Why not move to a place where people don't hate you?
If you want warmer weather both Australia and New Zealand have skilled immigrant classifications. I haven't looked into it but Belize is also a warm english speaking country where you might be able to relocate to. IN the pacific there is also saipan, guam (yuck) and fiji. There are also many countries where english is widely spoken even if it's not the primary language. The nice thing about canada is that it's easy to visit the US if you miss your friends and family.
for the last time shill boy. If IE was so superior why did MS shove it down the peoples throats and threaten dell and others when they installed netscape by default.
By those acts MS has admitted that IE was an inferior product that could not compete fairly in the Marketplace. The only people who think otherwise have pledges their allegience to microsoft incroporated.
I am curious as to why you chose to become a sycophant for MS though, why not choose a better corporation. I mean maytag is a nice corporation why not shill for them? How about RCA? I hear there are some people who dislike RCA products why don't you hang out at those boards and defend RCA against "malcontents"?
Why did you choose MS to pledge your undying loyalty to?
As I said there is something wrong with a human who takes such a personal affront when somebody critizies a corporation. There is something profoundly wrong with you.
That's a very professional spin you have put on Bill's words there you should ask for a raise. SO bill gates thinks RMS and the FSF are communist organizations huh? But he has no problem at all with any other members of the copen source community. He is such a great guy!
"Is this also an MS shill line? Please tell me. your opinion is important to me."
Why yes it is a shill line. MS shills (and corporate shills) like you always trot out these lame arguments. You know "sure they are sleazy but not as sleazy as somebody else" or "sure they are sleazy but they could be worse" or "sure they are sleazy but so is everybody else"
WHat I find facinating is that you never addressed my point about why they felt the need to shove IE down everybodies throats and threaten companies who included netscape if IE was so superior.
"If you are referring to the proprietary formats than I just have to say that it is almost always trivially easy to export a document to html or some other open format and send it to anywone."
I am talking about all that and more. Like lobbying govt for draconian laws, like "innovating" less permanent information publishing forms etc.
"If you are just some malcontent who likes to whine and pontificate (as I suspect) then I must tell you that I am getting bored with you."
I would rather be a malcontent then a shill any day. Hey look over there somebody is saying something bad about maytag go my little shill, a corporation needs defending from one of their consumers! Look somebody thinks rockford shoes are uncomfortable, away my little shill run and protect the nice corporation!.
There is something mentally wrong with people like you.
Wow. That's awesome. Global warming is the fault of enviromentalists!. The fucking hippies did it. Not the guys who run the oil companies, not the freaking driving hummers, not the coal industry, not the automobile industry.
It's the fault of the fucking hippies!. I think you just handed the republican party their talking point. Congratulations!
Oooh yes, we should all be mature like microsoft. Hey I have an idea, lets call MS employees communists, and throw fits throwing chairs around and cursing.
While we are at it we should also lie every time we speak and resort to sleazy underhanded tactics, bribery and threats to get what we want.
"Really? I thought the invasion rested on Saddam continuation to break UN resolutions time and time again. "
SO when are we going to invade israel?
"Saddam was not democratically ellected AND was vile dictator that gassed Kurds."
Sniff. I am so touched by the radical right wing's newfound love of the kurdish people. I mean while kurds were being gassed they sat on their asses did nothing and said nothing. In fact the reagan administration actively fought against a UN resolution condemning saddam. Then for another 20 years the republitards never spoke about it again. Then one day they woke up and decided that they loved the kurdish people so much they were going to invade a country, kill tens of thousands of innocent people to avenge the kurds.
I am so touched by your newfound love of the kurds. Better late then never huh?
" Bill Gates never called you a communist. I'm pretty sure he never said that "people who use Linux are communist"."
Yes he did. Why don't you google for it.
"The sleaziest corporations in the US pollute without remorse resulting in thousands of illnesses and deaths."
Nah, not anymore. Mainly because manufacturing companies don't operate in the US anymore. The sleaziest corporations in the US these days use illegal immigrant labor to save money, deny people medical insurance, hire people as temps to circumvent labor laws, classify people as management to avoid paying them overtime, and worst of all work like hell to stop people from transmitting information amongst themselves.
The ability to transmit information from one member to another and from one generation to another is what separates us from animals. MS is attacking the very thing that makes us human. They are building a world where information is no longer permanent and may not be transmitted without their permission. This is much worse then polluting or even killing people. This is killing humanity, denying you the right to read and write is a crime far worse then murder.
"MS is sleazy, but the people who sued them on the premise that MS's superior products were beating them due to unfair competition are far sleazyer."
That's the standard MS shill line. You can keep saying it but I don't think you are going to convince anybody. If the netscape and real products were truly inferior MS would not have resorted to threating companies who installed them by default. The fact that they strong armed companies is proof that they knew people would not use their product voluntarily. Same with making you install IE when you installed to service pack to NT. If it was great they would not have shoved it down people's throats.
MS by it's tactics admitted the IE was vastly inferior to netscape. They were so convinced that no human would voulntarily use it that they shoved it down everybodies throat and threatened companies that installed netscape by default.
Two wrong don't make a right. I know it's fashionable to ignore ethics in American business but that does not mean the consumers are not allowed to complain about sleazy businesses or point out their slimy behavior.
MS is amongst the top of the sleaziest corporations. YOu can bitch and moan all you want about how people should not be allowed to say that but it's futile. You are not going to be able to silence people who have a bone to pick with a corporation who is working so hard to destory open source and calling people who use and write open source software communists and anti-american.
What is good for the goose and all that. Why is it OK for Bill Gates to call me a communist just because I like linux but not OK for me to call him a criminal because he (his company) was tried and convicted despite an appeal?
What really bugs me is how sycophantic the IT press has become. When a MS executive gives an interview and gives a line of bullshit about how they like open standards and how they want to have a genuine conversation with open source developes not one so-called journalists points out all the shit they pull like this. They just nod their heads and say "yes sir, may I get you another cup of cofee".
There is a crippled version of SQL server available for free but it only runs on windows. This is basically because the primary purpose of SQL server is to lock users into a windows platform. A very good example of this is the fact that SQL server enterprise edition will not run on windows server 2003 but requires windows server 2003 enterprise edition.
If you want an excellent but crippled database you are better off going with oracle which does not shove an operating system down your throat and will work with every platform.
Having said all that there is no real need to run a crippled version of anything when there are so many excellent, proven open source databases on the market. See firebird, sapdb, ingres, etc.
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Personally I think the use of the "global" keyword is something PHP got right and every other language (except ruby) got wrong. When you are reading a function it's good to know where all the variables are coming from. In ruby they use a sigil, in PHP they use a keyword, in every other language you have to search through the function to see where and if the variable was declared and deduce that it was either a global variable or a typo.
To recap. PHP got it right, perl got it wrong. You are annoyed because it's not the way you are used to working but that has nothing to do with the merits of the scoping rules.
"But, all of a sudden, out of the blue, RedHat announced "no more free linux from us". Then, they released RHEL, and it was a couple of months before they announced Fedora Core was coming out. RHEL pricing is completely insane."
All they said was that they wer eno longer interested in trying to support mom and pop with redhat. There is nothing wrong with that. They didn't take anything away from you, you still have fedora core.
If you want EL without paying for it there is centos and others too.
Red Hat is in the support business. When you pay for RHEL you are paying for support and in order for them to deliver credible support they have to have a known good quantity to support. RHEL is simply a support package against a known good snapshot of Fedora Core.
By the way if you think that when you buy windows XP MS will answer all your questions for five years you are in for a big surprise.
There are core values which should be acceptable by everyone. FOr example there is the universal statement of human rights. Murder is wrong, slavery is wrong, torture is wrong. These are or should be wrong in every culture. I feel very comfortable shoving the sanctions against murder, slavery, child exploitation on every culture (including the US which lately seems to have forged a love affair with torture and murder).
Ruby is already having an impact on both Java and.NET developers. Once you can mix and match the vast perl, python and java libraries expect it to explode.
Also the preliminary results suggest that parrot will be faster then the default interpreters. This means the performance difference between Java and Ruby will decrease as well (although I have to give sun some credit 1.6 beta screams).
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This is just a logical outcome of being reviled by society at large. Persecuted minorities will gather together in groups in order to protect themselves. This is also why places like chinatown exist.
FUD articles like this usually ignore the fact that java exists. Java does exist and .NET is just a ripoff of it. Java has a better ide then .net (yes eclipse, netbeans and idea are all better the VS), has a richer library, integrates fantastically with the OS (syslog etc), has a much more robust and active community and costs nothing to use.
Look at what happened with VS.NET 2005. After years of being half as productive as eclipse users MS finally gave them a decent build sytem, a unit testing framework, and something like javadoc. Needless to say they blatantly ripped off ant and junit all the while making their product incompatible of course. Somehow they forgot about ripping off hibernate and xdoclet though which I found odd.
Anyway after two years of working with primitive tools which didn't have any refactoring support or half the shit java developers have been taking for granted they now have a product which is 80% as good as eclipse. FOr the next two years eclipse will continue to pull ahead and the VS.NET people will not know any better because they finally got a few new features in VS and are soooooo happy and proud.
Plants are already grown so why not make fuel out of them? Oil has already been made an consumed why not make fuel with the waste oil? China has already driven the apple farmer out of business why not plant canola and sell the oil?
Mr sycophant has no real answer. He tells me my arguments are bullshit but offers no counter arguments. You are a pretty crappy shill there ms fan boi. If you want Bill Gates to notice your efforts you are going to have to do better.
Hi, I am a liberterian. I am pro abortion, pro prostitution, pro guns, pro drugs, anti farm subsidies, anti mining subsidies, anti logging subsidies. I want to sell all the national forests to the higest bidder, I want to eliminate all health, safety, and pollution regulations and simultaniously severly limit your ability to sue corporations. I am anti union, anti overtime, anti minimum wage, and I want to make it legal for companies to discriminate against any racial, religious, sex, sexuality, or for any group actually.
Please vote for me.
LOL!.
With a platform like that I am shocked you guys don't run the world.
It's more about not staying where you are not wanted. Bush sr said that atheists are not real americans and should be allowed to vote for example. The exact quote was " I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
This is the president of the USA telling atheist citizens that they don't belong in the country. Other members of this administration have made similar remarks about atheists, collage professors, environmentalists, femminists, homosexuals and other people they hate.
Why stay in a country that you are not wanted in? Why not move to a place where people don't hate you?
Also if you are gay or a muslim you are much more likely to be accepted in Canada then the US.
If you want warmer weather both Australia and New Zealand have skilled immigrant classifications. I haven't looked into it but Belize is also a warm english speaking country where you might be able to relocate to. IN the pacific there is also saipan, guam (yuck) and fiji. There are also many countries where english is widely spoken even if it's not the primary language. The nice thing about canada is that it's easy to visit the US if you miss your friends and family.
for the last time shill boy. If IE was so superior why did MS shove it down the peoples throats and threaten dell and others when they installed netscape by default.
By those acts MS has admitted that IE was an inferior product that could not compete fairly in the Marketplace. The only people who think otherwise have pledges their allegience to microsoft incroporated.
I am curious as to why you chose to become a sycophant for MS though, why not choose a better corporation. I mean maytag is a nice corporation why not shill for them? How about RCA? I hear there are some people who dislike RCA products why don't you hang out at those boards and defend RCA against "malcontents"?
Why did you choose MS to pledge your undying loyalty to?
As I said there is something wrong with a human who takes such a personal affront when somebody critizies a corporation. There is something profoundly wrong with you.
It doesn't make much sense to have IBM.US because IBM is a multi national company. There should be a IBM.MULTI TLD or something.
The large multinational companies transcend the concept of a country and in many ways are a country on to themselves.
That's a very professional spin you have put on Bill's words there you should ask for a raise. SO bill gates thinks RMS and the FSF are communist organizations huh? But he has no problem at all with any other members of the copen source community. He is such a great guy!
"Is this also an MS shill line? Please tell me. your opinion is important to me."
Why yes it is a shill line. MS shills (and corporate shills) like you always trot out these lame arguments. You know "sure they are sleazy but not as sleazy as somebody else" or "sure they are sleazy but they could be worse" or "sure they are sleazy but so is everybody else"
WHat I find facinating is that you never addressed my point about why they felt the need to shove IE down everybodies throats and threaten companies who included netscape if IE was so superior.
"If you are referring to the proprietary formats than I just have to say that it is almost always trivially easy to export a document to html or some other open format and send it to anywone."
I am talking about all that and more. Like lobbying govt for draconian laws, like "innovating" less permanent information publishing forms etc.
"If you are just some malcontent who likes to whine and pontificate (as I suspect) then I must tell you that I am getting bored with you."
I would rather be a malcontent then a shill any day. Hey look over there somebody is saying something bad about maytag go my little shill, a corporation needs defending from one of their consumers! Look somebody thinks rockford shoes are uncomfortable, away my little shill run and protect the nice corporation!.
There is something mentally wrong with people like you.
Wow. That's awesome. Global warming is the fault of enviromentalists!. The fucking hippies did it. Not the guys who run the oil companies, not the freaking driving hummers, not the coal industry, not the automobile industry.
It's the fault of the fucking hippies!. I think you just handed the republican party their talking point. Congratulations!
I don't know about the jews but the muslims don't eat pork because they don't eat any animals that eat meat (except sea food).
I don't know if this helps you theory or hurts it but they eat shellfish.
Oooh yes, we should all be mature like microsoft. Hey I have an idea, lets call MS employees communists, and throw fits throwing chairs around and cursing.
While we are at it we should also lie every time we speak and resort to sleazy underhanded tactics, bribery and threats to get what we want.
Oh yes, if Matt Drudge said it then it must be true. I always get my news from an unbiased source like Matt Drudge.
"Really? I thought the invasion rested on Saddam continuation to break UN resolutions time and time again. "
SO when are we going to invade israel?
"Saddam was not democratically ellected AND was vile dictator that gassed Kurds."
Sniff. I am so touched by the radical right wing's newfound love of the kurdish people. I mean while kurds were being gassed they sat on their asses did nothing and said nothing. In fact the reagan administration actively fought against a UN resolution condemning saddam. Then for another 20 years the republitards never spoke about it again. Then one day they woke up and decided that they loved the kurdish people so much they were going to invade a country, kill tens of thousands of innocent people to avenge the kurds.
I am so touched by your newfound love of the kurds. Better late then never huh?
" Bill Gates never called you a communist. I'm pretty sure he never said that "people who use Linux are communist"."
Yes he did. Why don't you google for it.
"The sleaziest corporations in the US pollute without remorse resulting in thousands of illnesses and deaths."
Nah, not anymore. Mainly because manufacturing companies don't operate in the US anymore. The sleaziest corporations in the US these days use illegal immigrant labor to save money, deny people medical insurance, hire people as temps to circumvent labor laws, classify people as management to avoid paying them overtime, and worst of all work like hell to stop people from transmitting information amongst themselves.
The ability to transmit information from one member to another and from one generation to another is what separates us from animals. MS is attacking the very thing that makes us human. They are building a world where information is no longer permanent and may not be transmitted without their permission. This is much worse then polluting or even killing people. This is killing humanity, denying you the right to read and write is a crime far worse then murder.
"MS is sleazy, but the people who sued them on the premise that MS's superior products were beating them due to unfair competition are far sleazyer."
That's the standard MS shill line. You can keep saying it but I don't think you are going to convince anybody. If the netscape and real products were truly inferior MS would not have resorted to threating companies who installed them by default. The fact that they strong armed companies is proof that they knew people would not use their product voluntarily. Same with making you install IE when you installed to service pack to NT. If it was great they would not have shoved it down people's throats.
MS by it's tactics admitted the IE was vastly inferior to netscape. They were so convinced that no human would voulntarily use it that they shoved it down everybodies throat and threatened companies that installed netscape by default.
Two wrong don't make a right. I know it's fashionable to ignore ethics in American business but that does not mean the consumers are not allowed to complain about sleazy businesses or point out their slimy behavior.
MS is amongst the top of the sleaziest corporations. YOu can bitch and moan all you want about how people should not be allowed to say that but it's futile. You are not going to be able to silence people who have a bone to pick with a corporation who is working so hard to destory open source and calling people who use and write open source software communists and anti-american.
What is good for the goose and all that. Why is it OK for Bill Gates to call me a communist just because I like linux but not OK for me to call him a criminal because he (his company) was tried and convicted despite an appeal?
Most vendors try to suck up to you because they know you can dump them and move to their competition. MS has no such worry so they fuck you instead.
What really bugs me is how sycophantic the IT press has become. When a MS executive gives an interview and gives a line of bullshit about how they like open standards and how they want to have a genuine conversation with open source developes not one so-called journalists points out all the shit they pull like this. They just nod their heads and say "yes sir, may I get you another cup of cofee".
There is a crippled version of SQL server available for free but it only runs on windows. This is basically because the primary purpose of SQL server is to lock users into a windows platform. A very good example of this is the fact that SQL server enterprise edition will not run on windows server 2003 but requires windows server 2003 enterprise edition.
If you want an excellent but crippled database you are better off going with oracle which does not shove an operating system down your throat and will work with every platform.
Having said all that there is no real need to run a crippled version of anything when there are so many excellent, proven open source databases on the market. See firebird, sapdb, ingres, etc.
Personally I think the use of the "global" keyword is something PHP got right and every other language (except ruby) got wrong. When you are reading a function it's good to know where all the variables are coming from. In ruby they use a sigil, in PHP they use a keyword, in every other language you have to search through the function to see where and if the variable was declared and deduce that it was either a global variable or a typo.
To recap. PHP got it right, perl got it wrong. You are annoyed because it's not the way you are used to working but that has nothing to do with the merits of the scoping rules.
"But, all of a sudden, out of the blue, RedHat announced "no more free linux from us". Then, they released RHEL, and it was a couple of months before they announced Fedora Core was coming out. RHEL pricing is completely insane."
All they said was that they wer eno longer interested in trying to support mom and pop with redhat. There is nothing wrong with that. They didn't take anything away from you, you still have fedora core.
If you want EL without paying for it there is centos and others too.
Red Hat is in the support business. When you pay for RHEL you are paying for support and in order for them to deliver credible support they have to have a known good quantity to support. RHEL is simply a support package against a known good snapshot of Fedora Core.
By the way if you think that when you buy windows XP MS will answer all your questions for five years you are in for a big surprise.
There are core values which should be acceptable by everyone. FOr example there is the universal statement of human rights. Murder is wrong, slavery is wrong, torture is wrong. These are or should be wrong in every culture. I feel very comfortable shoving the sanctions against murder, slavery, child exploitation on every culture (including the US which lately seems to have forged a love affair with torture and murder).
Ruby is already having an impact on both Java and .NET developers. Once you can mix and match the vast perl, python and java libraries expect it to explode.
Also the preliminary results suggest that parrot will be faster then the default interpreters. This means the performance difference between Java and Ruby will decrease as well (although I have to give sun some credit 1.6 beta screams).