Since both linux and Mac use CUPS it would seem to be a good idea to provide a cups driver, unless of course you are being threatened or bribed into not doing it.
Think of it this way. If ran a corner grocery store would you turn away 10% of your customers? How about 5%? Most business people I know would do a lot to get another 5 or 10 percent more customers.
"Linux must become fully plug-and-play, or it will never ever become a desktop of choice for the average user."
Never, not ever? Bullshit. Linux desktop adoption will be spearheaded in the corporations. Corporations will migrate to Linux because it costs less and is easier to manage. They will pick systems with supported hardware and will have no problems. The number of linux users will go up and more and more hardware manufacturers will write drivers for it. People will install linux at home so they can take work home to work on and will complain to the hardware manufacturers when their crap doesn't work with their new operating system.
That's the way it happened in windows, that's the way it will happen in linux.
If windows is so backward compliant why is that their own software lists different downloads for XP, NT, 2K, 95 etc. Hell they even insist on service packs. Here is a hint, windows XP is not compatible with windows XP-SP2.
Go to the digium web site, pay them a thousand dollars, and let them install asterisk for you. Either that look around for a local asterisk provider. If you live in a metropolitan area you should be able to find a few without any problems.
It's also important that MS is only judge of what is and is not conformant with the spec because they get to decide what is "complete". This means that at any time they can decide that an open source project is not "complete" and then sue them if they continue to insist that it is.
Too bad they seem to have bought the governors office though. Spread a few rolexes around and MA will accept your definition of open. Do we live in a great country or what?
As usual groklaw has a very thorough analysis of this subject. From their web page here are some of the potential problems.
"1. Patent protection is contingent on a conformant implementation. "Conformant" is not defined, meaning there is uncertainty needing legal advice.
2. There is no provision for partial implementation, meaning true community-based development is not covered until complete.
3. It may well mean that implementation of just a word processor is impossible -- it implies that you have to implement everything (spreadsheets & all) to reach the bar.
4. It is specific to the version currently existing, meaning I can be hooked into supporting it now, but when Office 12 or Office 13 comes out & I update to be compatible with the format in that I can get sued. The covenant Sun uses creates ongoing protection.
5. It does not grant patents to the ECMA standard as it only applies to Office 11 XML. This means a new covenant will be needed for the ECMA work.
6. If the same form of words were used for a contribution to ECMA, then those prototyping the ongoing evolution of the standard as ECMA changed it would lose protection the instant any change was made. It applies only to Microsoft's input, not to ECMA's output. Or maybe they would rather ECMA didn't change anything?"
If you ask me #1 should be "Ms lies all the time, they are probably lying now, they don't really care about anybody except themseves, they have always stabbed their partners in the back, they don't play nice with anybody, anytime, anywhere".
That's what happens in a free economy. Alas when dealing with govt purchases there is a tremendous amount of corruption and backroom dealing. Chances are the spec was written to make sure only diebold machines qualified. This is a common tactic when the bribes have already been received, hands have already been shaken, winks and nudges have already been traded.
If Diebold pulls out and somebody else steps in Diebold will sue the state for choosing a vendor which did not qualify under the original bid.
Most often laws and bids are written to benefit just one company like when a law gets passed exempting "any aluminum processing company which employs more then 300 people in a designated enterprise zone" meaning the alcoa plant down the street.
Procurement is the same. The specs are written so that only product complies.
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All the IE users will be soo happy with the leet new tabs!. Most of them will never know that everybody else has been enjoying those features for a long time now. I sometimes feel sorry for them but I get over it quick.
It seems odd that no european has ever submitted a bug fix for this don't you think?
Anyway wasn't the whole point of HTML that the browser decides how to render the tags and that the publisher should not expect pixel level layout wasn't it?
That's odd, my exprience is the reverse both on the windows and the mac. IE on the mac is crap personified so that's to be expected but in windows? When IE crashes in windows XP I usually reboot because it sometimes becomes very unstable after an IE crash.
"There's a pretty big difference between negative advertising and a bunch of extremely smarmy nerds and their "M$" zingers that are actually less funny than cultural genocide."
No, there is difference between me calling Bill Gates a sleazy criminal and Bill Gates calling me communist.
The only people who really object to M$ are the shills and the astro turfers. When I went to see "bigger longer and uncut" the southpark movie people applauded when Bill Gates was shot in the head. Most people either don't care or already have a negative impression of Windows.
I urge all geeks to negatively attack MS every chance they get. It was been proven to be a highly effective tool used by decades of study. If it didn't work MS wouldn't do it.
" I agree completely. Writing a book that is full of crap like that just turns more people OFF. "
No it doesn't. There have been a tremendous amount of research into negative advertising and it has been proven over and over that it works. That's why politicians do it, that's why companies do it, that's why CEOs do it.
MS (and it's lackeys) has run a smear campaign against OSS for a long time now by calling people communists, refering to open sores, calling linus and other thieves, socialists and whatever else they can think of. Just recently some lacket wrote a personal smear piece agains the CIO of Mass in the boston globe just because he is convinced that open document formats are better then proprietary ones.
Negative advertising works. We need more of it, not less.
In order to measure TCO you have to know which software was installed on which servers and what users were using the said applications. You also have to keep track of downtime, the cost of service, to cost of maintenace etc. No way an accountant can know all of that without careful bookkeeping by the IT staff.
"Mistakes generate interesting stuff? What? Trolls, "insightful" comments, and +5 Funny's about duplicates and suggestions on how the "editors" could find duplicates on their own site (including using the scrollwheel to go down two articles)?"
Maybe not interesting but still sometimes amusing and definately "watchable". That's the point really,/. is an entertaining site and as long as people continue to be entertained that it will continue to be popular. There are sites that try to be more serious but somehow they don't seem to catch on despite the fact that they post more often, are more accurate, have less dupes etc. Why? Because they are not entertaining./. is the foxnews of geekdom. Definately biased, not too concerned with factual accuracy, designed to entertain the masses, preaching to the choir.
The unix market is collapsing. Most unix customers are migrating linux and a few are migrating to windows. Windows growth will continue until the migration from unix is complete at which time it will slow down significantly. From this point on Apple might take some chunk of the unix market in the server room. I suspect that will be mostly from people considering windows because it's perceived to be easy and still unix.
The greatest thing linux ever did was to prevent MS from leveraging it's monopoly on the desktop to gain a monopoly on the server. Linus should be sainted just for that accomplishment alone.
TCO is pretty much bullshit because most businesses don't even keep track of the expenses on their servers. All they do is depreciate what they can and that's the extent of it.
I once asked a CIO if I should keep track of what the software we installed on a server costs and whether we should balance that against the monetary benefits of the said software and he just looked at me like I was nuts. Apparently you are not allowed to actually keep track of TCO, you are just supposed to read about it in gartner reports.
I suggest a book on object oriented programming. You are used to a component oriented model and it seems like you haven't crossed over to thinking of applications as objects working together. In the.NET world you just slap components on a pagel, put in some SQL in the GUI and off you go making a program that is insanely hard to debug and virtually impossible to maintain.
You need to unlearn your bad habits that's all. I would also hang out at c2 web (the original wiki) much to be learned there about object oriented programming, proper abstraction of layers, and design patterns.
Skip the books on java, go straight to books on programming and design patterns.
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I hate to break it to you but it is better. It's much better and you are indeed to dumb to understand why or how.
Like the song says, "you can't go on, thinking there is nothing wrong with you".
Lucky thing for you we don't believe in shoving our operating system down your throat. Unlike you I get windows shoved down my throat at work.
Since both linux and Mac use CUPS it would seem to be a good idea to provide a cups driver, unless of course you are being threatened or bribed into not doing it.
Think of it this way. If ran a corner grocery store would you turn away 10% of your customers? How about 5%? Most business people I know would do a lot to get another 5 or 10 percent more customers.
More like "conpetitive pressure". If you rival is spending 100K less on software then you are at a serious disadvantage.
"Linux must become fully plug-and-play, or it will never ever become a desktop of choice for the average user."
Never, not ever? Bullshit. Linux desktop adoption will be spearheaded in the corporations. Corporations will migrate to Linux because it costs less and is easier to manage. They will pick systems with supported hardware and will have no problems. The number of linux users will go up and more and more hardware manufacturers will write drivers for it. People will install linux at home so they can take work home to work on and will complain to the hardware manufacturers when their crap doesn't work with their new operating system.
That's the way it happened in windows, that's the way it will happen in linux.
If windows is so backward compliant why is that their own software lists different downloads for XP, NT, 2K, 95 etc. Hell they even insist on service packs. Here is a hint, windows XP is not compatible with windows XP-SP2.
Go to the digium web site, pay them a thousand dollars, and let them install asterisk for you. Either that look around for a local asterisk provider. If you live in a metropolitan area you should be able to find a few without any problems.
Nah it was to the governors office. Mitt Romney who is of course a republican.
It's also important that MS is only judge of what is and is not conformant with the spec because they get to decide what is "complete". This means that at any time they can decide that an open source project is not "complete" and then sue them if they continue to insist that it is.
Too bad they seem to have bought the governors office though. Spread a few rolexes around and MA will accept your definition of open. Do we live in a great country or what?
As usual groklaw has a very thorough analysis of this subject. From their web page here are some of the potential problems.
"1. Patent protection is contingent on a conformant implementation. "Conformant" is not defined, meaning there is uncertainty needing legal advice.
2. There is no provision for partial implementation, meaning true community-based development is not covered until complete.
3. It may well mean that implementation of just a word processor is impossible -- it implies that you have to implement everything (spreadsheets & all) to reach the bar.
4. It is specific to the version currently existing, meaning I can be hooked into supporting it now, but when Office 12 or Office 13 comes out & I update to be compatible with the format in that I can get sued. The covenant Sun uses creates ongoing protection.
5. It does not grant patents to the ECMA standard as it only applies to Office 11 XML. This means a new covenant will be needed for the ECMA work.
6. If the same form of words were used for a contribution to ECMA, then those prototyping the ongoing evolution of the standard as ECMA changed it would lose protection the instant any change was made. It applies only to Microsoft's input, not to ECMA's output. Or maybe they would rather ECMA didn't change anything?"
If you ask me #1 should be "Ms lies all the time, they are probably lying now, they don't really care about anybody except themseves, they have always stabbed their partners in the back, they don't play nice with anybody, anytime, anywhere".
That's what happens in a free economy. Alas when dealing with govt purchases there is a tremendous amount of corruption and backroom dealing. Chances are the spec was written to make sure only diebold machines qualified. This is a common tactic when the bribes have already been received, hands have already been shaken, winks and nudges have already been traded.
If Diebold pulls out and somebody else steps in Diebold will sue the state for choosing a vendor which did not qualify under the original bid.
Most often laws and bids are written to benefit just one company like when a law gets passed exempting "any aluminum processing company which employs more then 300 people in a designated enterprise zone" meaning the alcoa plant down the street.
Procurement is the same. The specs are written so that only product complies.
How long were you waiting to post that one?
All the IE users will be soo happy with the leet new tabs!. Most of them will never know that everybody else has been enjoying those features for a long time now. I sometimes feel sorry for them but I get over it quick.
It seems odd that no european has ever submitted a bug fix for this don't you think?
Anyway wasn't the whole point of HTML that the browser decides how to render the tags and that the publisher should not expect pixel level layout wasn't it?
livebookmarks, find as you type, foxylicious. I can't imagine browsing without them.
That's odd, my exprience is the reverse both on the windows and the mac. IE on the mac is crap personified so that's to be expected but in windows? When IE crashes in windows XP I usually reboot because it sometimes becomes very unstable after an IE crash.
"There's a pretty big difference between negative advertising and a bunch of extremely smarmy nerds and their "M$" zingers that are actually less funny than cultural genocide."
No, there is difference between me calling Bill Gates a sleazy criminal and Bill Gates calling me communist.
The only people who really object to M$ are the shills and the astro turfers. When I went to see "bigger longer and uncut" the southpark movie people applauded when Bill Gates was shot in the head. Most people either don't care or already have a negative impression of Windows.
I urge all geeks to negatively attack MS every chance they get. It was been proven to be a highly effective tool used by decades of study. If it didn't work MS wouldn't do it.
" I agree completely. Writing a book that is full of crap like that just turns more people OFF. "
No it doesn't. There have been a tremendous amount of research into negative advertising and it has been proven over and over that it works. That's why politicians do it, that's why companies do it, that's why CEOs do it.
MS (and it's lackeys) has run a smear campaign against OSS for a long time now by calling people communists, refering to open sores, calling linus and other thieves, socialists and whatever else they can think of. Just recently some lacket wrote a personal smear piece agains the CIO of Mass in the boston globe just because he is convinced that open document formats are better then proprietary ones.
Negative advertising works. We need more of it, not less.
In order to measure TCO you have to know which software was installed on which servers and what users were using the said applications. You also have to keep track of downtime, the cost of service, to cost of maintenace etc. No way an accountant can know all of that without careful bookkeeping by the IT staff.
"Mistakes generate interesting stuff? What? Trolls, "insightful" comments, and +5 Funny's about duplicates and suggestions on how the "editors" could find duplicates on their own site (including using the scrollwheel to go down two articles)?"
/. is an entertaining site and as long as people continue to be entertained that it will continue to be popular. There are sites that try to be more serious but somehow they don't seem to catch on despite the fact that they post more often, are more accurate, have less dupes etc. Why? Because they are not entertaining. /. is the foxnews of geekdom. Definately biased, not too concerned with factual accuracy, designed to entertain the masses, preaching to the choir.
Maybe not interesting but still sometimes amusing and definately "watchable". That's the point really,
Bill Gates thinks all open source users and programmers are communists and terrorists. We know what happens to terrorists don't we?
Did you hear about what he is doing to the CIO of Mass? Apparently he is funding slimy personal attacks on the man.
The unix market is collapsing. Most unix customers are migrating linux and a few are migrating to windows. Windows growth will continue until the migration from unix is complete at which time it will slow down significantly. From this point on Apple might take some chunk of the unix market in the server room. I suspect that will be mostly from people considering windows because it's perceived to be easy and still unix.
The greatest thing linux ever did was to prevent MS from leveraging it's monopoly on the desktop to gain a monopoly on the server. Linus should be sainted just for that accomplishment alone.
TCO is pretty much bullshit because most businesses don't even keep track of the expenses on their servers. All they do is depreciate what they can and that's the extent of it.
I once asked a CIO if I should keep track of what the software we installed on a server costs and whether we should balance that against the monetary benefits of the said software and he just looked at me like I was nuts. Apparently you are not allowed to actually keep track of TCO, you are just supposed to read about it in gartner reports.
+1 speaks the truth.
LOL, still stalking me? Good for you, just make sure you have enough tissues to cum in OK?
Oh and how are things in canada BWHAHAHAAHAHAAHHAHA. I am still cracking up about that one dude, that was some good shit.
I suggest a book on object oriented programming. You are used to a component oriented model and it seems like you haven't crossed over to thinking of applications as objects working together. In the .NET world you just slap components on a pagel, put in some SQL in the GUI and off you go making a program that is insanely hard to debug and virtually impossible to maintain.
You need to unlearn your bad habits that's all. I would also hang out at c2 web (the original wiki) much to be learned there about object oriented programming, proper abstraction of layers, and design patterns.
Skip the books on java, go straight to books on programming and design patterns.