You know, I never really advanced at any previous job I'd had much past the starting position. Then I started working here, kept my mouth shut, and I'm doing very well for myself.
Moral of the story: sometimes it's not worth being right simply for the sake of being right. or alternate moral: you are not capable of using your mouth for your own good.
Nah, I don't waste time on ACs. Call me elitist, call me 'Marie Antoinette with a mustache', but AC posts really don't matter, and nobody takes them seriously. hm.. i used to think the wiki admins were a smart bunch of guys.. not anymore.
the initial poster may have been a bit too angry and biased but he raised a few valid points.. to which you responded with a 100% moronic "using argument XXX is not bad by default but it is bad by default"... also, yours was a 100% ad-hominem response, you didnt even try to touch the raised issues.
the AC rightfully pointed that to you.. and you came up with another ad-hominem... btw, why exactly are you thinking that the word "elitist" can be used to describe your response & attitude? cause i am pretty sure that you are better described as a "slippery ad-hominem weasel".
anyway.. your behaviour puts you on the same level with a teen administrator of a gossip-oriented IRC channel... slippery and superior attitude based on pure air, zero tolerance to any criticism, etc... pretty plain moronic.
i may be a bit hurried with the conclusions here... but you seem to be the kind of moron that thinks he is "the shit" just because some other moron was stupid enough to put him in charge of something... i sincerely hope i am wrong or that you are an exception there.
first of all... i seriously doubt there is any conclusive evidence to sustain that capitalism is a natural state of society... and i am sure there is absolutely no evidence to say that capitalism is the best or most natural state of a human society.
second... your affirmation that capitalist societies are free of any "aggressive force" is quite mind-boggling.
the legal system is a pretty aggressive force, the police is another one, governments are too, etc... how did you manage to "forget" all those?
To address these points together, "aggression" (the initiation of violent force) specifically does not include defensive force or proportional retribution. Ergo, the legal system and police (in general) are not examples of aggression. Capitalism, or more precisely a system of private property, is any system in which aggression is not tolerated. Ergo, by definition, any society which lacks aggression is capitalistic.
not a bad argument.. but sorry, i dont buy it.
according to you, where is the "aggression" in a communist system?.. in the end, they also use the same "defensive force" and "proportional retribution" against the ones that do not agree with them.. they also use the same legal system, police, etc..
and who says that private property means "no aggression"? or less aggression than common property? as a matter of fact, i see *more* aggression in a private property system, because ppl continuously fight to get more property.. and that fight is 100% aggressive, no "defensive force" or "proportional retribution" there.
dont get me wrong, i am not a fan of communism and i dont wanna say it's better than capitalism... but your arguments hold no water whatsoever.. as a matter of fact, the opposite seems to be true.. capitalism is based on competition, which is a pure form of aggression.
You won't get any argument from me. While we always hope evil will be vanquished eventually (to use a more generic term), we can never be certain of reaching that goal. That doesn't mean we can't try, though. Anyway, capitalism doesn't depend on a lack of aggression, just a lack of general tolerance for aggression.
always a big fan of "trying".. and i find it quite disturbing when people preach capitalism as a sort of perfect religion that cannot be changed or improved... same for *anything* else that reaches that dangerous status.
but then, maybe i got your point wrong... anyway, gotta go to sleep.. thx for the reply, good luck and see u around
Piss off the bear enough. He just might eat you. or he may die trying... looks to me the stakes are higher for the big bear.
and anyway.. nowadays, there is quite a scarcity of causes worth fighting for.. the fight against software patents sounds like a worthy one to me.
so.. to quote the Chief Idiot Officer... Bring Them On!
whether you like it or not, that only means you are an exception.
and as a slashdot-girl, you are a big exception from the very start... one cannot go into generalized conclusions based on your experience.
And it's the old "you're the exception, shut up" argument.
i guess you can put it like that if you wanna pose as a victim.. in fact it is pure and simple statistics theory... if you wanna obtain a meaningful median, you have to eliminate the most exceptional cases.. and yours is exactly one of those... i am not saying it is ok to be so.. i am not saying that you should like/accept it... and even i dont like it.. but that is the current state of affairs.
Sex shouldn't be about money, and the faster society gets over that concept the better things will be.
all nice, right and beautiful.. but how exactly do you propose to do that?
I don't need to propose anything, it's been a trend over the past decades in developed countries as women are earning more and more in comparison to men, so they are more independent and have less need for a boyfriend or husband to buy things for them.
there are some traces of that trend.. at the same time, most of those "developed countries" also have the most developed sex industries
and btw, in order to do that, you'll have to figure a way to convince your gender-colleagues not to sell their bodies anymore... good luck with that!
The problem isn't with women selling their bodies, it's with men buying them. That's why countries like Sweden, where the buying of sexual services is illegal, there is a lower rate of prostitution than in countries where the selling of the services is illegal. Prostitution is, for the most part, about disadvantaged and vulnerable women taken advantage of by men who buy and sell them (pimps and johns). Sometimes the gender roles are different (men can be prostitutes, women can be madams) but the prostitute always has the short stick.
plain WRONG...
first of all forced prohibition does not work for anything.
second... consider this... you and me are adults and i tell you i'll pay 1 million if you jump off the bridge.. well, if you jump it's 100% Your fault.. same for the women that agree to sell their bodies.. same for the men that do the same..
and the "they are weak and so exploited" argument does not work either.. not even for the cases when they do it under threat.. it is still a choice.. their choice.
and even if you somehow eliminate all cases of forced prostitution, prolly more than half of the prostitutes will still remain.. the ones that do it because they like it, because they want money to buy a better bla, because they are not capable of anything else, because they prefer "the easy way", etc....
such a hurried conclusion... a hateful and very insulting one too... with this kind of attitude, are you still expecting respect from the ppl around you?
I jumped to conclusions, and if you read the further posts you'd realize that I apologized for assuming. I had thought the educational differences were due to gender differences, but turned out to be due to a large age gap and circumstances that had the daughters already moved out as independent adults before the family had enough money to put children through school. I do, however, retain the right to criticize any fa
capitalism.. is the natural state of society in the absence of any aggressive use of force. fully agree with the first part of your post, economics is surely more than psichology.
but the above quote is just *wow*.. my bullshit meter instantly turned red and started to cry out loud.
first of all... i seriously doubt there is any conclusive evidence to sustain that capitalism is a natural state of society... and i am sure there is absolutely no evidence to say that capitalism is the best or most natural state of a human society.
second... your affirmation that capitalist societies are free of any "aggressive force" is quite mind-boggling.
the legal system is a pretty aggressive force, the police is another one, governments are too, etc... how did you manage to "forget" all those?
if those societies are so nice & natural, why do they need aggressive force to protect themselves from both internal and external "factors"? how do you explain wars? or the very aggressive witch-hunts that most of them conducted against anyone that opposed them or simply tried to be different?
anyway... in this world there is no such thing as an "aggression-free environment"... nowhere!.. and it may never exist.
Rather than relying on your idealistic model of how humans should behave, try observing how humans actually behave. I suggest you investigate human psychology and economics, which is simply human psychology applied to money.
logically, your post seems correct.. but who told you that money are the best solution and should exist forever? and who says that the actual society is the best of all and cannot be changed into a better one? and who says that the way humans behave cannot/should not be changed?
btw.. do you know *any* sample of a civilization that succeeded by trying to preserve the status-quo?
your *nothing should/can change* attitude belongs to a totalitarian ideology.. and it's 100% counter-progressive.. and 100% pessimistic too.
i'll definitely choose a 10 years old if the alternative is a smart guy like you.
If you'd have a girlfriend, you know that you have to pay.
Bullshit. I've spent more on boyfriends than they have me. whether you like it or not, that only means you are an exception.
and as a slashdot-girl, you are a big exception from the very start... one cannot go into generalized conclusions based on your experience.
Sex shouldn't be about money, and the faster society gets over that concept the better things will be. all nice, right and beautiful.. but how exactly do you propose to do that?
and btw, in order to do that, you'll have to figure a way to convince your gender-colleagues not to sell their bodies anymore... good luck with that!
Anyways, your wife's family sucks. such a hurried conclusion... a hateful and very insulting one too... with this kind of attitude, are you still expecting respect from the ppl around you?
btw, if you wanna change the world, there is only one way to do it.. a while ago some indian guy put in in very nice words :
"Be the change that you want to see in the world." Mohandas Gandhi
and of course, apart from that, one also needs *a lot* of patience.
seems to me that you dont fit the profile of a "world changer" at all.. and a basic common-sense rule says that as long as you are not capable to provide any help, you should keep your mouth shut.. especially when it comes to criticizing others.
How the fuck did this retard get modded +2 Insightful? Sheez, the quality of the slashdot moderators is as good as the digg crowd. I am posting this anonymously for obvious reasons, but this is too lame folks.
100% agree with your oppinion about *some* of the moderators.
but i disagree when you call the GP retard.. the guy only said thx.
and what exactly are you doing to fight against "diggy-slashdotters"? or maybe you think an anonymous post will help?
and in the end, why did you post anon? what exactly were you afraid of, the diggy-slahdotters will burn your house or what?
German guy: you really screwed up by asking such a question on Slashdot. Most of the readers here are American (makes sense since it's an English-language site), and the rest of the world should know by now that we Americans know absolutely nothing about science, and most of us believe the earth is 6000 years old and that dinosaur fossils are fakes placed there by God to test our faith.
I suggest asking this question on a German-language site.
waaaaaay too much truth in your post... a very sad side of the truth
ok, ok, you didnt.. my bad... but what's with the cars? Haha, to be honest I have no idea... I think I lost my train of thought. (pulled an all nighter at work, and am tired!)
i used to pull quite a lot of those some years ago.. not anymore, it's definitely not worth it.. unless you do it only for yourself;)
Oh actually I meant "scars"
oh.. now it makes sense
I think it's a funny stereotype that Americans stereotype.
nice answer;)
on a more serious note.. i seen most of europe already, met quite a lot of people.. americans too.
everybody stereotypes ppl, but americans are champions in that respect.. and by a wide margin.
what's also interesting.... around europe, stereotyping is pretty widespread among low-iq people and almost non-existent above a certain level.. even the middle class (both in iq and wealth categories) is running away of it... on the other side, i met quite a few nice and smart american ppl and NONE was even trying to get rid of that crap.
I'm NOT saying it was purely altruistic. I'm NOT saying we did it all. I'm NOT saying Europeans did nothing. I'm NOT saying anything about the cars--and indeed, I never said any of those things! not at all!
ok, ok, you didnt.. my bad... but what's with the cars?
however.. you did try to say that the americans did MORE, and it's not true.. in general, being the decisive factor, doesnt mean you did the most.
anyway... nothing against you personally, just against the "we did all, praise us forever" attitude.
happy?:)
If *I'm* sick of something, it's people stereotyping americans!!
fully agree with you... but you should be sick of any people stereotyping ANYTHING.
because if anyone deserves the big prize for stereotyping others, that is the american people.. for the vast majority of you, the world is just a collection of stereotypes - coward french ppl, stupid polish ppl, drunken irish and so on and on about Everybody else in this world.
so.. your sickness is 100% entitled... but as an american, you are not allowed to complain about it.
Ouch, I hope I didn't offend you--not my intention...
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See my previous point again. Me personally--I'm a utilitarian--if good is done, I don't really care about the reasons. Reasons are complicated things. I'm not asking for anything.
well, i guess i've been a little too harsh.. no intention to offend you either.
but every single american i met or seen online, keeps calling us europeans "ungrateful".. and pretends the US did everything good and everybody else did nothing... like the world started with the US or something.
without downplaying any of the many contributions coming from US, the world didnt't start with you, it will not end with you and you ppl are Very Far from being the biggest contributor to the human kind advance... that's all and it's quite annoying sometimes.. especially if one looks at the state of the US today.
I didn't dig up anything. I simply replied to a person claiming that the US played no role in keeping peace in Europe. That's it. I never once claimed we did anything for purely altruistic reasons, and I never once "asked" for anything.
you replied by saying the US did ~everything, the europeans did almost nothing and you asked us to admit that and be more grateful... sorry, not the case... you did your part, we did ours and none of the parts is entitled to ask for gratitude.
So despite all of your above ranting--I think it's safe to call what you said earlier ranting--all of the sudden the fact that Eastern Europe fell under communist hands is the US's fault. Not western Europe. Not Russia. Not anybody except the US? You lost me..
i guess i did lose you here.. that response was specifically for the US people... if you wanna know, i have the same 50years daily "fuck you" for the western europeans countries that sold us to Ussr.. and one "fuck you" per minute for the Ussr... happy now?:)
I'm very sorry if I offended you, that was never my intention. I think if you go read the thread I posted in, you'll see where I was coming from. I didn't _ask_ for anything, and I never claimed anything about reasons. I was merely talking about events that happened. I'm not going to cast any moral judgements on those events, and that was not the point of the thread.
I really don't get your anger here, but I hope I didn't make you too mad.
same as sorry if i offended you.. and i am not mad, just a bit upset.
as i said in another answer, you and your family probably "experienced" the WWs and the EU through newspapers and radio.. my family experienced them in their own courtyard... it's not the same!
and i don't like it when someone who only knows the "BLA-news" or "BLA-radio" version of the events tries to tell me about the scars on my own skin.
anyway.. thx for your time and good luck there.
LOL. You go from being nieve and stupid to just down right laughable. Please for your own sake, study the history just a little bit. You wont make such a fool of yourself next time.
Yes, that is very true, this is your version, I don't know why anyone would care about your version though, since it differs so much from reality. You just go on mindlessly hating the US and twisting every event to fit your warped views, and reality will just keep on rolling without you.
well.. from my experience with american people, you know ~shit about history in general, and like half a shit about european history.. both old and contemporaneous.
and btw.. the vast majority of the americans "experinced" the ww wars through newspapers and radio.. same as you "experience" the war in iraq through FOX news nowadays.
those wars happened in my country, in my yard... and in my family, i am the first male that hasn't been in the middle of a battlefield (that from more than 10 documented generations).
so, thanks for keeping me up to date with my history;)... and good luck there.
Your revisionism is peeping through again. Conservatively speaking, the US lost 200,000 people in Europe.
same as conservatively speaking, europe+ussr lost way over 20,000,000 people in ww2.. that's quite a bit more, mind you... and therefore, in regard to this particular argument, please shut up.
I think it's entirely fair to say that WW2 would not have ended as it did had the US not entered the European front. But I guess that doesn't really matter anymore.. The Hitler/Stalin reference was referring to who would most likely had controlled most of Europe had things turned out differently..
the US did not come here because you loved europeans or to help us.. you people came here to stop Hitler before he reached Your border... incidentally that was good for us too, so thanks for that... but please stop asking for anything more than a "thanks".
That sounds to me like you're saying the economic power of the US had no impact on WW2. Had no impact on rebuilding post-war Europe. Had no impact on the formation of NATO. Had no impact on stopping the spread of Russia (which you say doesn't count for some reason--I think the former East Germans might disagree with you..). Had no part on supporting Europe militarily when the European militaries were depleted and worn out. Had no part in the keeping of the peace..
the US helped rebuilding Europe not because you loved europeans, but to use us as a shield between you and the Ussr... and that job we did Together... thanks.. but again, stop asking for anything more than a "thanks".
(incidentally, I'm not disputing the fact that the precursor France, Germany, Benelux, Italy union was intended to peace, though I would dispute that it was the biggest factor, or even a big one. Something about millions and millions of people dying tends to kinda suck the desire to fight from people.. it helps when there are soldiers around keeping the peace too !!)
if you talk about keeping the peace between Europe and the Ussr, the US had a big role, probably the biggest.. but as that was also Your interest and we did our part of the job, you again cannot ask for more than a "thanks".
if we talk about keeping the peace between the European countries themselves, the US was just one of the factors and far from being the biggest one... for that you will get another (small) "thanks".
so... you invested your money and men.. and you got what you payed for (peace and security for You) and a lot more (markets, allies, a stable world, etc...).
and now that we are EVEN... please stop digging out 70 years old events, please stop asking for undeserved returns, please stop calling us "ungrateful"... and pretty please, go mind your own business!... and if you do that, many thanks again!
The above message I wrote as the EU citizen that I am now.
As a citizen of one of the eastern european countries that fought on your side, but you SOLD it to the Ussr for YOUR OWN good and interest, i have another message for the US - Fuck You!... once for each day in 50 years of communism... and after those 50 years, another "thanks" for helping repair your wrongdoings in the end.
i hope i was clear enough.. no trolling or flaming intended, just the simple truth... or more precisely, my version of "the truth".
Would you consider taking a 100% fatal slow acting poison that has no antidote and takes 20 years to kill to be murder instead of suicide? The point is I have a definition for 'myself', and it doesn't include clones or children.
that a lovely answer... quite some logic skills there, congrats.
but i do not understand your "no children" selfishness... maybe you should check a movie called Idiocracy and see what happens when high-IQ people decide not to have children.
there may come a point in the future when humans can safely stop having children.. but that is definitely not now.. and prolly not soon.
As long as there are gene sequencer machines on the market and people like me studying cell biology, don't worry, it'll be done in private residences. Switching on genes isn't so hard.
thx for the good news.
and good luck!
and for the shitless scared luddites that hear about some tech advance and start talking about frankenstein and whatnot.. pls go join the first amish community or whatever... there you will be able to share your fear with same minded ppl and be "happy".
humans are supposed to advance... we may conquer the space and time, or we may destroy ourselves... noone knows for sure and nothing says that humans must live forever.. but stagnation (at any level) is a sure path to extinction
i guess if you dont write 3 pages and you dont explain every line and argue it with 10 links, you must be a troll.. whats wrong with posting just the bare idea and asking the reader to THINK for a bit? but then.. i guess asking someone to think it's quite a flamebait.
Sorry to break it to you, but if all that school left you with is a bunch of pavlovian reflexes, like a school for dogs would, then you probably shouldn't be a human to start with. I will assume you were just going for a figure of speech, instead.
no figure of speech... the first steps in your training are exactly the same as in a school for dogs.. the only diff- usually, a dog needs weeks/months to get it, a baby may only need seconds for the same stuff
A characteristic of humans is that you can also think about it later, and change that training. You can later realize stuff like, to use that old joke as an example, "wth, mom's cutting off the end of the pot roast was only because she didn't have a bigger pot. I have one, so I can change that recipe." Or you can move to another country/group/whatever and realize stuff like, "oh, here it's impolite to blow your nose at the dinner table, like dad kept doing, let's refrain from doing it." You don't continue doing it for the rest of your life, like a trained dog would.
The difference basically is that you also have the intellect to understand _why_ something is done, _when_ it's done, and when _not_ to do it. It's not just stimulus-reaction reflexes based on pure association. You have the mental power to realize when an existing reflex is stupid, and force yourself to stop or develop a better one.
Well, or _should_ have the mental power. Maybe I'm assuming too much;)
That's how all human progress happened too. Some guy had been dragging stuff around all his life, and then comes up with the idea of rolling bigger stuff on logs. Some other guy had been pushing stuff on logs, and notices he doesn't really need the whole log: the end discs will do. Voila, you have wheels now.
And to get back to the economy: some guy had been dealing with gold coins all his life, then he figures out that you don't need to actually carry the coin, a note saying "this is worth X ounces of gold" will do the trick just nicely. Voila, now you have paper money.
_That_ is the point. While an animal might just blindly apply a reflex again and again, a human can choose which reflexes to apply and which not. There is usually some rationale and logic behind whether you do something or not. Whereas training an animal to mechanically do the same thing, doesn't really tell you much about the humans. As long as the monkeys just apply some trained reflexes, as opposed to having a reason for it, you can't really say, "heh, day traders act just like monkeys." That's only because you trained the monkeys to imitate it. No more, no less.
you got lost into Details... quite a lot of them:)
and i said "everything you know *comes* from training".. COMES, not IS.. of course that the most part of what you are depends on the way you improve/interpret that training... some ppl only need an impulse and then they go years-light ahead, some need years long training, some never get it, etc.. but without the initial training you are nothing but a slightly better ape... look at people that grew up isolated in the jungle.
as for the second part, you assume only ppl can improve on their training... there is plenty of evidence to dismiss that, even rats do it.
anyway, thx for your time and good luck.. and try improve on your reading training;)
That may well be so, but that sorta misses the point that it's useless to compare a human to an animal that has been _trained_ to do something, as a way to draw conclusions about the human. E.g., sure, you can train a gorilla to understand sign language, and it sure says something about its intelligence.
...........
Basically it's bullshit to then compare a community of gorillas arificially _trained_ to do X to a community of humans who have a rationale behind doing X, as if there were no difference there. Whatever X may be.
sorry to break your party but EVERYTHING you know and do as a human comes from the TRAINING you received... a school for humans works on the same basic principles as a school for dogs, gorillas, etc.. the only diff is that humans seem to have a way better capacity to assimilate that training.. or it's just that the methods are better suited for them.
The Fed is an international organization? I knew it was some kind of weird public/private chimera, but international?
well, it is surely NOT american... but if you dont like the word "international", you may as well call it Alien.
and if you wanna go into details, take a look at this
Is the Fed in league with the Gnomes of Zürich now?
how about we remember the guarantees not to engage in patent action we've already been given by IBM and other companies, stop listening to Stallman's attack bots telling us to cringe in constant terror of Microsoft, tell Stallman once and for all to go fuck himself, and then actually do our own thing?
you stated your opinion about Stallman & co... fine, it's your right.
you wanna act accordingly.. fine, it's your right.
but dont start telling me or others what to do... cause the answer to that is an obvious "go fuck yourself"... and then, you start crying again about being "prosecuted" by the/. community for your "ideas".
Slashdot Mirror
Moral of the story: sometimes it's not worth being right simply for the sake of being right. or alternate moral: you are not capable of using your mouth for your own good.
the initial poster may have been a bit too angry and biased but he raised a few valid points
the AC rightfully pointed that to you
anyway.. your behaviour puts you on the same level with a teen administrator of a gossip-oriented IRC channel
i may be a bit hurried with the conclusions here
To address these points together, "aggression" (the initiation of violent force) specifically does not include defensive force or proportional retribution. Ergo, the legal system and police (in general) are not examples of aggression. Capitalism, or more precisely a system of private property, is any system in which aggression is not tolerated. Ergo, by definition, any society which lacks aggression is capitalistic.
not a bad argumentaccording to you, where is the "aggression" in a communist system?
and who says that private property means "no aggression"? or less aggression than common property? as a matter of fact, i see *more* aggression in a private property system, because ppl continuously fight to get more property .. and that fight is 100% aggressive, no "defensive force" or "proportional retribution" there.
... but your arguments hold no water whatsoever .. as a matter of fact, the opposite seems to be true .. capitalism is based on competition, which is a pure form of aggression.
dont get me wrong, i am not a fan of communism and i dont wanna say it's better than capitalism
You won't get any argument from me. While we always hope evil will be vanquished eventually (to use a more generic term), we can never be certain of reaching that goal. That doesn't mean we can't try, though. Anyway, capitalism doesn't depend on a lack of aggression, just a lack of general tolerance for aggression.
always a big fan of "trying"but then, maybe i got your point wrong
or he may die trying
and anyway
so
And it's the old "you're the exception, shut up" argument.
i guess you can put it like that if you wanna pose as a victim .. in fact it is pure and simple statistics theory ... if you wanna obtain a meaningful median, you have to eliminate the most exceptional cases .. and yours is exactly one of those ... i am not saying it is ok to be so .. i am not saying that you should like/accept it ... and even i dont like it .. but that is the current state of affairs.
I don't need to propose anything, it's been a trend over the past decades in developed countries as women are earning more and more in comparison to men, so they are more independent and have less need for a boyfriend or husband to buy things for them.
there are some traces of that trend .. at the same time, most of those "developed countries" also have the most developed sex industries
The problem isn't with women selling their bodies, it's with men buying them. That's why countries like Sweden, where the buying of sexual services is illegal, there is a lower rate of prostitution than in countries where the selling of the services is illegal. Prostitution is, for the most part, about disadvantaged and vulnerable women taken advantage of by men who buy and sell them (pimps and johns). Sometimes the gender roles are different (men can be prostitutes, women can be madams) but the prostitute always has the short stick.
plain WRONG ...
... consider this ... you and me are adults and i tell you i'll pay 1 million if you jump off the bridge .. well, if you jump it's 100% Your fault .. same for the women that agree to sell their bodies .. same for the men that do the same ..
.. not even for the cases when they do it under threat .. it is still a choice .. their choice.
first of all forced prohibition does not work for anything.
second
and the "they are weak and so exploited" argument does not work either
and even if you somehow eliminate all cases of forced prostitution, prolly more than half of the prostitutes will still remain .. the ones that do it because they like it, because they want money to buy a better bla, because they are not capable of anything else, because they prefer "the easy way", etc....
I jumped to conclusions, and if you read the further posts you'd realize that I apologized for assuming. I had thought the educational differences were due to gender differences, but turned out to be due to a large age gap and circumstances that had the daughters already moved out as independent adults before the family had enough money to put children through school. I do, however, retain the right to criticize any fa
but the above quote is just *wow*
first of all
second
the legal system is a pretty aggressive force, the police is another one, governments are too, etc... how did you manage to "forget" all those?
if those societies are so nice & natural, why do they need aggressive force to protect themselves from both internal and external "factors"? how do you explain wars? or the very aggressive witch-hunts that most of them conducted against anyone that opposed them or simply tried to be different?
anyway
logically, your post seems correct
btw
your *nothing should/can change* attitude belongs to a totalitarian ideology
i'll definitely choose a 10 years old if the alternative is a smart guy like you.
and as a slashdot-girl, you are a big exception from the very start
and btw, in order to do that, you'll have to figure a way to convince your gender-colleagues not to sell their bodies anymore
btw, if you wanna change the world, there is only one way to do it
"Be the change that you want to see in the world." Mohandas Gandhi
and of course, apart from that, one also needs *a lot* of patience.
seems to me that you dont fit the profile of a "world changer" at all .. and a basic common-sense rule says that as long as you are not capable to provide any help, you should keep your mouth shut .. especially when it comes to criticizing others.
100% agree with your oppinion about *some* of the moderators. .. the guy only said thx.
but i disagree when you call the GP retard
and what exactly are you doing to fight against "diggy-slashdotters"? or maybe you think an anonymous post will help?
and in the end, why did you post anon? what exactly were you afraid of, the diggy-slahdotters will burn your house or what?
I suggest asking this question on a German-language site.
waaaaaay too much truth in your post ... a very sad side of the truth
great post
i used to pull quite a lot of those some years ago .. not anymore, it's definitely not worth it .. unless you do it only for yourself ;)
Oh actually I meant "scars"
oh .. now it makes sense
I think it's a funny stereotype that Americans stereotype.nice answer ;)
.. i seen most of europe already, met quite a lot of people .. americans too.
.. and by a wide margin.
.... around europe, stereotyping is pretty widespread among low-iq people and almost non-existent above a certain level .. even the middle class (both in iq and wealth categories) is running away of it ... on the other side, i met quite a few nice and smart american ppl and NONE was even trying to get rid of that crap.
on a more serious note
everybody stereotypes ppl, but americans are champions in that respect
what's also interesting
ok, ok, you didnt .. my bad ... but what's with the cars?
however .. you did try to say that the americans did MORE, and it's not true .. in general, being the decisive factor, doesnt mean you did the most.
:)
If *I'm* sick of something, it's people stereotyping americans!!anyway... nothing against you personally, just against the "we did all, praise us forever" attitude.
happy?
fully agree with you ... but you should be sick of any people stereotyping ANYTHING.
.. for the vast majority of you, the world is just a collection of stereotypes - coward french ppl, stupid polish ppl, drunken irish and so on and on about Everybody else in this world.
because if anyone deserves the big prize for stereotyping others, that is the american people
so .. your sickness is 100% entitled ... but as an american, you are not allowed to complain about it.
..........
See my previous point again. Me personally--I'm a utilitarian--if good is done, I don't really care about the reasons. Reasons are complicated things. I'm not asking for anything.
well, i guess i've been a little too harsh .. no intention to offend you either.
.. and pretends the US did everything good and everybody else did nothing ... like the world started with the US or something.
.. especially if one looks at the state of the US today.
I didn't dig up anything. I simply replied to a person claiming that the US played no role in keeping peace in Europe. That's it. I never once claimed we did anything for purely altruistic reasons, and I never once "asked" for anything.but every single american i met or seen online, keeps calling us europeans "ungrateful"
without downplaying any of the many contributions coming from US, the world didnt't start with you, it will not end with you and you ppl are Very Far from being the biggest contributor to the human kind advance... that's all and it's quite annoying sometimes
you replied by saying the US did ~everything, the europeans did almost nothing and you asked us to admit that and be more grateful ... sorry, not the case... you did your part, we did ours and none of the parts is entitled to ask for gratitude.
So despite all of your above ranting--I think it's safe to call what you said earlier ranting--all of the sudden the fact that Eastern Europe fell under communist hands is the US's fault. Not western Europe. Not Russia. Not anybody except the US? You lost me..i guess i did lose you here .. that response was specifically for the US people ... if you wanna know, i have the same 50years daily "fuck you" for the western europeans countries that sold us to Ussr .. and one "fuck you" per minute for the Ussr ... happy now? :)
I'm very sorry if I offended you, that was never my intention. I think if you go read the thread I posted in, you'll see where I was coming from. I didn't _ask_ for anything, and I never claimed anything about reasons. I was merely talking about events that happened. I'm not going to cast any moral judgements on those events, and that was not the point of the thread.I really don't get your anger here, but I hope I didn't make you too mad.
same as sorry if i offended you .. and i am not mad, just a bit upset.
.. my family experienced them in their own courtyard ... it's not the same!
.. thx for your time and good luck there.
as i said in another answer, you and your family probably "experienced" the WWs and the EU through newspapers and radio
and i don't like it when someone who only knows the "BLA-news" or "BLA-radio" version of the events tries to tell me about the scars on my own skin.
anyway
Yes, that is very true, this is your version, I don't know why anyone would care about your version though, since it differs so much from reality. You just go on mindlessly hating the US and twisting every event to fit your warped views, and reality will just keep on rolling without you.
well.. from my experience with american people, you know ~shit about history in general, and like half a shit about european history.. both old and contemporaneous.
and btw .. the vast majority of the americans "experinced" the ww wars through newspapers and radio .. same as you "experience" the war in iraq through FOX news nowadays.
... and in my family, i am the first male that hasn't been in the middle of a battlefield (that from more than 10 documented generations).
those wars happened in my country, in my yard
so, thanks for keeping me up to date with my history ;) ... and good luck there.
same as conservatively speaking, europe+ussr lost way over 20,000,000 people in ww2 .. that's quite a bit more, mind you... and therefore, in regard to this particular argument, please shut up.
I think it's entirely fair to say that WW2 would not have ended as it did had the US not entered the European front. But I guess that doesn't really matter anymore.. The Hitler/Stalin reference was referring to who would most likely had controlled most of Europe had things turned out differently..the US did not come here because you loved europeans or to help us .. you people came here to stop Hitler before he reached Your border ... incidentally that was good for us too, so thanks for that ... but please stop asking for anything more than a "thanks".
That sounds to me like you're saying the economic power of the US had no impact on WW2. Had no impact on rebuilding post-war Europe. Had no impact on the formation of NATO. Had no impact on stopping the spread of Russia (which you say doesn't count for some reason--I think the former East Germans might disagree with you..). Had no part on supporting Europe militarily when the European militaries were depleted and worn out. Had no part in the keeping of the peace..the US helped rebuilding Europe not because you loved europeans, but to use us as a shield between you and the Ussr... and that job we did Together ... thanks .. but again, stop asking for anything more than a "thanks".
(incidentally, I'm not disputing the fact that the precursor France, Germany, Benelux, Italy union was intended to peace, though I would dispute that it was the biggest factor, or even a big one. Something about millions and millions of people dying tends to kinda suck the desire to fight from people.. it helps when there are soldiers around keeping the peace too !!)if you talk about keeping the peace between Europe and the Ussr, the US had a big role, probably the biggest .. but as that was also Your interest and we did our part of the job, you again cannot ask for more than a "thanks".
if we talk about keeping the peace between the European countries themselves, the US was just one of the factors and far from being the biggest one... for that you will get another (small) "thanks".
so ... you invested your money and men .. and you got what you payed for (peace and security for You) and a lot more (markets, allies, a stable world, etc...).
... please stop digging out 70 years old events, please stop asking for undeserved returns, please stop calling us "ungrateful" ... and pretty please, go mind your own business! ... and if you do that, many thanks again!
and now that we are EVEN
The above message I wrote as the EU citizen that I am now. ... once for each day in 50 years of communism ... and after those 50 years, another "thanks" for helping repair your wrongdoings in the end.
As a citizen of one of the eastern european countries that fought on your side, but you SOLD it to the Ussr for YOUR OWN good and interest, i have another message for the US - Fuck You!
i hope i was clear enough .. no trolling or flaming intended, just the simple truth... or more precisely, my version of "the truth".
Globalization is the word of the day .. Globalization is the theory of the day.
the GlobalJail may be the first real implementation.
well, looks like the /. moderators think you are wrong ... Truth is in fact Troll :-)
anyway .. congrats for a well documented post
that a lovely answer ... quite some logic skills there, congrats.
but i do not understand your "no children" selfishness ... maybe you should check a movie called Idiocracy and see what happens when high-IQ people decide not to have children.
.. but that is definitely not now .. and prolly not soon.
there may come a point in the future when humans can safely stop having children
thx for the good news.
and good luck!
and for the shitless scared luddites that hear about some tech advance and start talking about frankenstein and whatnot .. pls go join the first amish community or whatever ... there you will be able to share your fear with same minded ppl and be "happy".
humans are supposed to advance ... we may conquer the space and time, or we may destroy ourselves ... noone knows for sure and nothing says that humans must live forever .. but stagnation (at any level) is a sure path to extinction
moderated "troll" .. cool.
.. whats wrong with posting just the bare idea and asking the reader to THINK for a bit? .. i guess asking someone to think it's quite a flamebait.
.. some of you mods are just sad
i guess if you dont write 3 pages and you dont explain every line and argue it with 10 links, you must be a troll
but then
whatever
no figure of speech ... the first steps in your training are exactly the same as in a school for dogs .. the only diff- usually, a dog needs weeks/months to get it, a baby may only need seconds for the same stuff
A characteristic of humans is that you can also think about it later, and change that training. You can later realize stuff like, to use that old joke as an example, "wth, mom's cutting off the end of the pot roast was only because she didn't have a bigger pot. I have one, so I can change that recipe." Or you can move to another country/group/whatever and realize stuff like, "oh, here it's impolite to blow your nose at the dinner table, like dad kept doing, let's refrain from doing it." You don't continue doing it for the rest of your life, like a trained dog would.
The difference basically is that you also have the intellect to understand _why_ something is done, _when_ it's done, and when _not_ to do it. It's not just stimulus-reaction reflexes based on pure association. You have the mental power to realize when an existing reflex is stupid, and force yourself to stop or develop a better one.
Well, or _should_ have the mental power. Maybe I'm assuming too much
That's how all human progress happened too. Some guy had been dragging stuff around all his life, and then comes up with the idea of rolling bigger stuff on logs. Some other guy had been pushing stuff on logs, and notices he doesn't really need the whole log: the end discs will do. Voila, you have wheels now.
And to get back to the economy: some guy had been dealing with gold coins all his life, then he figures out that you don't need to actually carry the coin, a note saying "this is worth X ounces of gold" will do the trick just nicely. Voila, now you have paper money.
_That_ is the point. While an animal might just blindly apply a reflex again and again, a human can choose which reflexes to apply and which not. There is usually some rationale and logic behind whether you do something or not. Whereas training an animal to mechanically do the same thing, doesn't really tell you much about the humans. As long as the monkeys just apply some trained reflexes, as opposed to having a reason for it, you can't really say, "heh, day traders act just like monkeys." That's only because you trained the monkeys to imitate it. No more, no less.
you got lost into Details ... quite a lot of them :)
.. COMES, not IS .. of course that the most part of what you are depends on the way you improve/interpret that training ... some ppl only need an impulse and then they go years-light ahead, some need years long training, some never get it, etc .. but without the initial training you are nothing but a slightly better ape ... look at people that grew up isolated in the jungle.
and i said "everything you know *comes* from training"
as for the second part, you assume only ppl can improve on their training ... there is plenty of evidence to dismiss that, even rats do it.
anyway, thx for your time and good luck .. and try improve on your reading training ;)
Basically it's bullshit to then compare a community of gorillas arificially _trained_ to do X to a community of humans who have a rationale behind doing X, as if there were no difference there. Whatever X may be.
sorry to break your party but EVERYTHING you know and do as a human comes from the TRAINING you received... a school for humans works on the same basic principles as a school for dogs, gorillas, etc .. the only diff is that humans seem to have a way better capacity to assimilate that training .. or it's just that the methods are better suited for them.
well, it is surely NOT american ... but if you dont like the word "international", you may as well call it Alien.
Is the Fed in league with the Gnomes of Zürich now?and if you wanna go into details, take a look at this
you'll never know
you stated your opinion about Stallman & co ... fine, it's your right.
.. fine, it's your right.
you wanna act accordingly
but dont start telling me or others what to do ... cause the answer to that is an obvious "go fuck yourself" ... and then, you start crying again about being "prosecuted" by the /. community for your "ideas".