I cannot see how restricting the license terms of the SDK could impose barriers to competing manufacturers; it could probably create a barrier for derived works.
However, it is an evil thing.
All started with Slackware .
Then from Redhat 4.1 down to Fedora 16. Still haven't gone to Fedora 17; because it doesn't like my/usr on a separate partition (madness).
And my 100 megs boot partition on raid. And I don't like systemd nor gnome 3.
Professionally, rhel and centos but that's just a terminal. Never fallen in love with debian-derived.
All will probably finish with Slackware
Modal dialogs are indeed "forced on people"; anytime an eclipse modal dialog pops up (popped as I am on lxde now), I couldn't move it away to see what I needed to see on the main window, it was "glued", cut&paste out of question.
I could fix the missing focus-on-hover installing a tweak plugin; but to fix this one, it was not enough you need to launch gconftool, which obviously is something I could cope with, but it's out of question for the average user. It's indeed one of most broken design decisions I have ever seen in my life.
Maybe you should read this article where one of the RH devs points out having the kernel devs take care of drivers is a FAILURE and why linux on the desktop is in "its death throes" because a single team can't control 20,000 packages and a couple of hundred thousand drivers and end up with anything other than what we have now, a broken mess.
I read the article, not only that, I also actually UNDERSTAND and agree with what Ingo Molnar is saying. You even ignore the difference between a distribution managed software package and a kernel driver, but still, you feel the need to comment on that. So any further discussion turns to be futile. No offence, you are the kind of user (the one who wants to use without understand) linux does not need.
That doesn't change the fact that Linux drivers are deep fried ass on a stick because its a damned miracle to god if even 80% of the drivers are fully functional after a SINGLE update.
This is completely and unnecessarily total crap. FOSS drivers come with the kernel so 100% of them is fully functional after an update. Binary blobs are external software and are potentially and mostly 0% functional after a kernel update. Binary blobs are.1% of the kernel drivers in number. Unfortunately most non-thinking new wave ubuntu linux users own a nvidia card AND they can enjoy the binary blob right now, when it mostly works. They just did not see the crappy years of guess configuration of XF86Config to make nvidia work for the display resolution, the cryptic and non-sensical Xid dmesg messages, the hibernation madness on laptops, the installation script overwriting libraries in/usr/lib and so on.
I'm following 30 people and i get 15-20 posts per month; and that rate of messages, is exactly the metric I used to choose who to put in my circles. I couldn't care less of how much user accounts are on google plus or how many post per month each account generates in average. I don't hope either that facebook explode or people from facebook move to google+; actually I hope that people remain confined in facebook forever. G+ is a good looking mailing list, for me, in which my friends and some smartasses i would like meet one day contribute.
...is why people is still actually saving everything they download? If you have the bandwidth, storing would be only limited to what you really could need fast; and talking in terabyte terms seems unreasonable. If you have the band but capped downloads, well you should only need some kind of temporary storage, sized accordingly to the cap. If you have small bandwidth, that's not your problem.
A big meh like the self-driving car, or getting the linux kernel with android on several millions of smartphones made by dozens of different producers?
"About his opposition: "I can't believe there are so many dumbasses ('coglioni') that vote against their interests""
Sounds a lot like exactly what I hear from Democrats just about ten times a day. The difference is that they don't say the word 'coglioni' but every other word is identical. Hence why is this a problem to say?
That's because the opposition in italy believes the majority of people who voted berlusconi doesn't even exists. Probably that narcissism they (opposition leaders and people following them) have grown in the past 20 years is the main reason we actually have no real alternative to berlusconi right now.
I've been using Linux for 11 years. Before Linux captured 10+% of the desktop market share (according to Ballmer himself!) most of the community was technically oriented and ranting wasn't that common. We understood that those doing the developing were VOLUNTEERS and the best way to help them was to post BUG reports filled with details of the bug that the developer could use to resolve the bug and fix it. IOW, the users were the testers. We understood that and agreed to it. We were patient and our patience was rewarded.
Now, we have a generation of users who don't appreciate or care that most of the developers are still volunteers. These users don't care that they get the OS, the desktop and tens of thousands of high quality apps for free. Even worse, they don't want to take the time to take notes of the problem they think they are having and file factual bug reports at application's bugzilla site.
Well i strongly agree with your points; however, dont forget that the technically oriented community you cited, *could* write well described and documented bug reports: that meant having clean bug trackers and development cycles. Now, that new user base cant even understand (yet?) if a bug should be reported at distro level, or upstream. The new challenge for linux in desktop end-user environments, is actually to found one solution between teaching new concepts to the "ignorant masses" (how i hate that definition) and/or automate bug reporting tools in a process integrated with packaging. Or, redirecting all reports to/dev/null as microsoft seemed to do in the last years (and they had only to track os and a small bunch of apps and drivers).
The open source parts are, the closed source parts aren't. Characterizing the entire package as OSS would be wrong but to say it's not open source at all is also wrong.
The OSS GUI is dependant on the closed library; viceversa you cannot say the library is dependant on the GUI.
So if you want a FOSS system implementation, having skype means installing non-FOSS whichever is the GUI -> FAIL
No, I hit a bug in the filesystem. It *does* happen from time to time, believe it or not.
ROFL, "panics don't depend on which filesystem you intend to use"... your 6-digit UID would suggest you're not a newb, and yet that comment is so silly it seems to suggest otherwise. The contradiction is puzzling yet fascinating.
Sorry sometimes my english is not good enough and i get misunderstood. I meant that bugs are everywhere in software, and if you change your tools whenever you bounce on the first bug, you are a leecher who doesn't give anything back to the community.
Choose the right tool for your task: that said, help improving it as you can; testing and reporting the bug, for instance. Or we will end up with a very solid general purpose filesystem and no specialized one.
I'm aware of that. I don't care. Slow delete in Myth 0.21 works around the issue for ext3 and works perfectly fine. [...]
Ok, your choice. It's like when you completely flawed the schema design underlying your application, and try to fix things in the business logic. Again, your choice.
Ubuntu still needs to change a lot (scrap Upstart/clone FreeBSD init, get rid of DKMS, ideally get rid of crapt-get and clone ports, revert to OSS for sound, get rid of the insane scenario where GNOME is irremovably fused with virtually the entire rest of the system) in order to become a system I'd consider installing,
...or you could install another distro which satisfies your needs, instead of asking to completely change the aim and view of ubuntu. Let diversity reign in FOSS
That means absolutely nothing. Panics dont depend on which filesystem you intend to use, and the perfect filesystem doesn't exists and never will. You probably misconfigured grub or forgot to remake initrd or such.
The suggestion to use JFS for mythtv storage is because it has constant time on file deletion over file size, and your myth storage dir will be packed up with lots of very big files. Besides that, you will appreciate the resize feature with is executed on the fly with mount -o remount,resize , very helpful when coupled with LVM.
That obviously doesn't mean you should use JFS for your/home or/usr, ext4 will do it's best there. But it is not always perfect, ie if you rely on an netbook SSD you probably don't want journalling, and would mount with noatime to preserve write cycles on that device.
From what I've heard EVERYTHING is a bit slow and buggy on Fedora these days. *duck*
You'd be surprisingly glad with more testing, and less listening.
As a side note, there was recently an interesting FESCo meeting in which, among other things, they decided whether to make gnome the default desktop live spin, or if the choice had to be left to the "ignorant masses". Obviously, the decision degenerated in the following fedora-devel-list thread, in which the never ending flamewar we are reading about here returns, in yet another flavour
No, it isnt. But you forgot that linux is priced 0,00$, comes with lots of software preinstalled and each distribution is varied by look&feel and purpose.
Dont worry though, just buy the "ultimate" one and be happy
Following your point and your libedit example, the company developing a proprietary gcc plugin could only distribute it along with a "gcc-like - binary compatible build"; i mean all the collection not just the plugin framework.
If in the real world they distribute a plugin which calls an api entrypoint in the gcc plugin framework, how would they tell it not being a derivative work? Isn't the lgpl there to allow exactly that, opposing the gpl?
I think it's not nautilus itself; should be a new interesting library, gvfs, which replaced the infamous gnome-vfs and provides nice features as managing mounts via dbus, give a new solid base to the file dialog and provide an unified way to configure mime handlers
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I am thinking of deploying a swarm of drones myself here locally; but they only support RFC1149.
Because both ends of the landline call need to be regulated. It has nothing to do with the computer aspect of it.
And aren't all you guys cheering on regulation the same people who would cry murder if they were trying to regulate the Internet?
You are confusing regulation on the content (free speech) with regulation of the transport (access to communication).
more free as in speech software = good
less free as in speech software = bad
restrict freedom of an existing software = evil
The fact that other companies behave also worse than this, does not mean we should lower our yardstick
I cannot see how restricting the license terms of the SDK could impose barriers to competing manufacturers; it could probably create a barrier for derived works.
However, it is an evil thing.
All started with Slackware . /usr on a separate partition (madness).
And my 100 megs boot partition on raid. And I don't like systemd nor gnome 3.
Professionally, rhel and centos but that's just a terminal. Never fallen in love with debian-derived.
Then from Redhat 4.1 down to Fedora 16. Still haven't gone to Fedora 17; because it doesn't like my
All will probably finish with Slackware
Modal dialogs are indeed "forced on people"; anytime an eclipse modal dialog pops up (popped as I am on lxde now), I couldn't move it away to see what I needed to see on the main window, it was "glued", cut&paste out of question. I could fix the missing focus-on-hover installing a tweak plugin; but to fix this one, it was not enough you need to launch gconftool, which obviously is something I could cope with, but it's out of question for the average user. It's indeed one of most broken design decisions I have ever seen in my life.
Maybe you should read this article where one of the RH devs points out having the kernel devs take care of drivers is a FAILURE and why linux on the desktop is in "its death throes" because a single team can't control 20,000 packages and a couple of hundred thousand drivers and end up with anything other than what we have now, a broken mess.
I read the article, not only that, I also actually UNDERSTAND and agree with what Ingo Molnar is saying. You even ignore the difference between a distribution managed software package and a kernel driver, but still, you feel the need to comment on that. So any further discussion turns to be futile. No offence, you are the kind of user (the one who wants to use without understand) linux does not need.
That doesn't change the fact that Linux drivers are deep fried ass on a stick because its a damned miracle to god if even 80% of the drivers are fully functional after a SINGLE update.
This is completely and unnecessarily total crap. FOSS drivers come with the kernel so 100% of them is fully functional after an update. Binary blobs are external software and are potentially and mostly 0% functional after a kernel update. Binary blobs are .1% of the kernel drivers in number. Unfortunately most non-thinking new wave ubuntu linux users own a nvidia card AND they can enjoy the binary blob right now, when it mostly works. They just did not see the crappy years of guess configuration of XF86Config to make nvidia work for the display resolution, the cryptic and non-sensical Xid dmesg messages, the hibernation madness on laptops, the installation script overwriting libraries in /usr/lib and so on.
I'm following 30 people and i get 15-20 posts per month; and that rate of messages, is exactly the metric I used to choose who to put in my circles. I couldn't care less of how much user accounts are on google plus or how many post per month each account generates in average. I don't hope either that facebook explode or people from facebook move to google+; actually I hope that people remain confined in facebook forever. G+ is a good looking mailing list, for me, in which my friends and some smartasses i would like meet one day contribute.
...is why people is still actually saving everything they download? If you have the bandwidth, storing would be only limited to what you really could need fast; and talking in terabyte terms seems unreasonable. If you have the band but capped downloads, well you should only need some kind of temporary storage, sized accordingly to the cap. If you have small bandwidth, that's not your problem.
Well given that self-driving cars sill aren't here, and I see no plans for a Google Self-Drive Car Dealership anytime soon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdgQpa1pUUE and that doesn't mean that GOOG should became monopolist in the car dealership too; probably they would
When comes to the linux kernel, I'll answer in all seriousness, "So what?"
Consolidation of open-source software business model?
A big meh like the self-driving car, or getting the linux kernel with android on several millions of smartphones made by dozens of different producers?
His spokesman - Silvio Sircana - was found enjoying a party with a transsexual about two years ago.
"About his opposition: "I can't believe there are so many dumbasses ('coglioni') that vote against their interests""
Sounds a lot like exactly what I hear from Democrats just about ten times a day. The difference is that they don't say the word 'coglioni' but every other word is identical. Hence why is this a problem to say?
That's because the opposition in italy believes the majority of people who voted berlusconi doesn't even exists. Probably that narcissism they (opposition leaders and people following them) have grown in the past 20 years is the main reason we actually have no real alternative to berlusconi right now.
I've been using Linux for 11 years. Before Linux captured 10+% of the desktop market share (according to Ballmer himself!) most of the community was technically oriented and ranting wasn't that common. We understood that those doing the developing were VOLUNTEERS and the best way to help them was to post BUG reports filled with details of the bug that the developer could use to resolve the bug and fix it. IOW, the users were the testers. We understood that and agreed to it. We were patient and our patience was rewarded.
Now, we have a generation of users who don't appreciate or care that most of the developers are still volunteers. These users don't care that they get the OS, the desktop and tens of thousands of high quality apps for free. Even worse, they don't want to take the time to take notes of the problem they think they are having and file factual bug reports at application's bugzilla site.
Well i strongly agree with your points; however, dont forget that the technically oriented community you cited, *could* write well described and documented bug reports: that meant having clean bug trackers and development cycles. Now, that new user base cant even understand (yet?) if a bug should be reported at distro level, or upstream. The new challenge for linux in desktop end-user environments, is actually to found one solution between teaching new concepts to the "ignorant masses" (how i hate that definition) and/or automate bug reporting tools in a process integrated with packaging. Or, redirecting all reports to /dev/null as microsoft seemed to do in the last years (and they had only to track os and a small bunch of apps and drivers).
The open source parts are, the closed source parts aren't. Characterizing the entire package as OSS would be wrong but to say it's not open source at all is also wrong.
The OSS GUI is dependant on the closed library; viceversa you cannot say the library is dependant on the GUI.
So if you want a FOSS system implementation, having skype means installing non-FOSS whichever is the GUI -> FAIL
If you have the client code, you can pre-encrypt before the communications layer if you need the added security.
*Could* that be possible, you would lose interoperability with windows clients, so why not relying on one of the truly foss voip projects availble?
No, I hit a bug in the filesystem. It *does* happen from time to time, believe it or not.
ROFL, "panics don't depend on which filesystem you intend to use"... your 6-digit UID would suggest you're not a newb, and yet that comment is so silly it seems to suggest otherwise. The contradiction is puzzling yet fascinating.
Sorry sometimes my english is not good enough and i get misunderstood. I meant that bugs are everywhere in software, and if you change your tools whenever you bounce on the first bug, you are a leecher who doesn't give anything back to the community.
Choose the right tool for your task: that said, help improving it as you can; testing and reporting the bug, for instance. Or we will end up with a very solid general purpose filesystem and no specialized one.
I'm aware of that. I don't care. Slow delete in Myth 0.21 works around the issue for ext3 and works perfectly fine. [...]
Ok, your choice. It's like when you completely flawed the schema design underlying your application, and try to fix things in the business logic. Again, your choice.
Ubuntu still needs to change a lot (scrap Upstart/clone FreeBSD init, get rid of DKMS, ideally get rid of crapt-get and clone ports, revert to OSS for sound, get rid of the insane scenario where GNOME is irremovably fused with virtually the entire rest of the system) in order to become a system I'd consider installing,
...or you could install another distro which satisfies your needs, instead of asking to completely change the aim and view of ubuntu. Let diversity reign in FOSS
..."kernel panicked"...
/home or /usr, ext4 will do it's best there. But it is not always perfect, ie if you rely on an netbook SSD you probably don't want journalling, and would mount with noatime to preserve write cycles on that device.
That means absolutely nothing. Panics dont depend on which filesystem you intend to use, and the perfect filesystem doesn't exists and never will. You probably misconfigured grub or forgot to remake initrd or such.
The suggestion to use JFS for mythtv storage is because it has constant time on file deletion over file size, and your myth storage dir will be packed up with lots of very big files. Besides that, you will appreciate the resize feature with is executed on the fly with mount -o remount,resize , very helpful when coupled with LVM.
That obviously doesn't mean you should use JFS for your
Reading man pages helps a lot, too.
For the mythtv storage, you should really consider using JFS / XFS
From what I've heard EVERYTHING is a bit slow and buggy on Fedora these days. *duck*
You'd be surprisingly glad with more testing, and less listening. As a side note, there was recently an interesting FESCo meeting in which, among other things, they decided whether to make gnome the default desktop live spin, or if the choice had to be left to the "ignorant masses". Obviously, the decision degenerated in the following fedora-devel-list thread, in which the never ending flamewar we are reading about here returns, in yet another flavour
"But there is more than one vendor" is no excuse
No, it isnt. But you forgot that linux is priced 0,00$, comes with lots of software preinstalled and each distribution is varied by look&feel and purpose.
Dont worry though, just buy the "ultimate" one and be happy
Following your point and your libedit example, the company developing a proprietary gcc plugin could only distribute it along with a "gcc-like - binary compatible build"; i mean all the collection not just the plugin framework. If in the real world they distribute a plugin which calls an api entrypoint in the gcc plugin framework, how would they tell it not being a derivative work? Isn't the lgpl there to allow exactly that, opposing the gpl?
I think it's not nautilus itself; should be a new interesting library, gvfs, which replaced the infamous gnome-vfs and provides nice features as managing mounts via dbus, give a new solid base to the file dialog and provide an unified way to configure mime handlers