It is not dishonest if those are the terms and yes it is beta software.
They are simply enforcing the terms that were being ignored.
However, what irritates me and most here is MS fired it's QA last year. Literally not a single QA person and this is why it has telemtry and demands feedback. We are the beta testers.
You have references for this? Microsoft employs no QA testers? Unlikly.
"With Windows 8 we hear your negative feedback but we don't care for it since we know what's better for you and you're going to like it. Or not use it. It's your choice."
Sounds a lot like Linus when someone proposes a fix he doesn't like...
But imagine certain group of people like journalists/reviewers, and MS know about them using beta products to gain insight/benchmark and writing review. Obviously you don't want MS to start gaming the system knowing which beta copy they are using and tweak the setting that would work well for particular system/task, but not working well in real life. So, yes, there are certain exception that I would rather have MS not knowing everything, even if those people accept the terms.
"Journalists / reviewers" don't fit the specs for the beta testers Microsoft is talking about. If Microsoft hands you a piece of software for the specific purpose of "beta testing" it and providing feedback, that is fundamentally different than being dishonest and signing up the beta test according to Microsoft's rules for beta testers, even though you know you're going to blow them off and just write some article for your blog or whatever.
Oh good grief! If you don't want Microsoft to gather information from your beta testing of Microsoft products, don't become a beta tester. I mean, is that what beta testers do, use the product and give feed back as requested? The simple solution if you don't like this policy is to not sign up to beta test Microsoft products if you don't really want to be hassled with feedback, "telemetry", and so forth.
Oregon State University ( http://www-po.coas.oregonstate... ? has been recording ocean s"sea level" and other data with sophisicated instruments since the 1970's.
This is an interesting leverage of GPS technology, but the data is for the most part already being collected in much finer detail with many additional parameters.
I'm not really technically competent to make a valid argument against this, but my "gut" says... No! Maybe I'm just an ignorant Luddite that longs for my black rotary phone, but my uneducated imagination flows over with ideas and visions of how wrong this could go. My new ATM card has a chip, I'll stick with that for the time being.
For the most part there is nothing wrong with the moderation on Slashdot, trolls sink to the bottom reasonable comments float to the top.
I surf at the 2 threshold, seems to avoid most bullshit.
There is the pesky problem of "group think" and having engaging comments modded down because they don't fit with the "group think" - subjects like Assage / Snowden, RMS, Microsoft, and so on can be tricky. But there probably isn't a solution to that...
I think that's irrelevant. Whatever standards where in place by the Powers That Be here in the US, those are the standards. VW broke the rules in a calculated way. These cars, if not fixed, will have negligible resale value and if fixed, still a lesser resale value. They were sold to customers under dishonest false pretenses (redundant?) and these customers deserve compensation up to and including a full refund.
VW must be punished for this dishonesty in a way that discourages them from ever doing this again (as well as discouraging other from doing this as well), and a fine does not cut it because a fine is simply "the cost of doing business". What the US is asking is something that will not be forgotten by VW.
No the problem is that her former EMPLOYER wants her to work in the most expensive city in the US, and gives no fucks about how she makes that happen on what they want to pay.
Perhaps that is true, I certainly wouldn't put it past a company like Yahoo.
On the other hand, I might ask if there was a compelling reason for her to live in the Bay Area? Staying close to aging parents or some other personal reason? Seattle, where I live is getting to be a lot like the Bay Area in terms of cost of living but it wasn't always this way, but when that day arrives, I'll move.
And sure, Yahoo management might very well be a bunch of ass-kissing cock-sucking sycophants to the executives "up stairs", paying shit wages in one of the most expensive places to live on the planet, but to me that makes a great argument not to work for them.
Lastly, it's never a good move to publicly bad-mouth your employer in ways that can be traced back to you. This is just a reality. In ways I sympathise, but mostly I think the outcome was extremely predictable.
All in all, I find myself thinking that I would have been out the door by my own locomotion a long time ago .
Chrome Reader is just a knock-off of Google Reader, a product they discontinued several years ago despite a loyal fan base but this time only available as a Chrome add-on?
Thanks but no thanks.
If you liked it so much in its past incarnation, why not the new version? Obviously Google, like many, is switching to web interfaces. "It's the wave of the future".
I suspect that even in China, this will get watered down a bit given that there are very powerful people in China that have business models that will be highly inconvenienced by this.
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Here we thought unicode support was just broken in comments and discussion, apparently it doesn't work anywhere here...
The strange thing is that the so-called "editors" don't filter out stuff that makes the text "break" in the presentation.
It is not dishonest if those are the terms and yes it is beta software.
They are simply enforcing the terms that were being ignored.
However, what irritates me and most here is MS fired it's QA last year. Literally not a single QA person and this is why it has telemtry and demands feedback. We are the beta testers.
You have references for this? Microsoft employs no QA testers? Unlikly.
"With Windows 8 we hear your negative feedback but we don't care for it since we know what's better for you and you're going to like it. Or not use it. It's your choice."
Sounds a lot like Linus when someone proposes a fix he doesn't like...
But imagine certain group of people like journalists/reviewers, and MS know about them using beta products to gain insight/benchmark and writing review. Obviously you don't want MS to start gaming the system knowing which beta copy they are using and tweak the setting that would work well for particular system/task, but not working well in real life. So, yes, there are certain exception that I would rather have MS not knowing everything, even if those people accept the terms.
"Journalists / reviewers" don't fit the specs for the beta testers Microsoft is talking about. If Microsoft hands you a piece of software for the specific purpose of "beta testing" it and providing feedback, that is fundamentally different than being dishonest and signing up the beta test according to Microsoft's rules for beta testers, even though you know you're going to blow them off and just write some article for your blog or whatever.
Oh good grief! If you don't want Microsoft to gather information from your beta testing of Microsoft products, don't become a beta tester. I mean, is that what beta testers do, use the product and give feed back as requested? The simple solution if you don't like this policy is to not sign up to beta test Microsoft products if you don't really want to be hassled with feedback, "telemetry", and so forth.
Guess us old-timers will finally find out where the goatse guy is hiding out. :(
He's probably sharing a house with tub girl
Sorry, but it's the Lemon Party dude. Now go wash your eyes out with bleach.
Oregon State University ( http://www-po.coas.oregonstate... ? has been recording ocean s"sea level" and other data with sophisicated instruments since the 1970's.
This is an interesting leverage of GPS technology, but the data is for the most part already being collected in much finer detail with many additional parameters.
...a pair of well-known researchers presented a statistical test for detecting fabricated data in survey answers...
That sounds a little suspect...
It would be interesting to know if these trackers were active on Slashdot *before* Dice took over.
Having said that, no commercial web site can exist without income, and for a site like Slashdot, that means ads.
By the way, did ThinkGeek come with the deal? Probably not...
She was an English Literature major. Could be worse; my sister was a Sociology major!
Sounds like a good candidate for Starbucks barista!
Yes, I know, Yelp not Yahoo... When thinking of shitty companies, for some reason Yahoo always pops into my mind...
I'm not really technically competent to make a valid argument against this, but my "gut" says... No! Maybe I'm just an ignorant Luddite that longs for my black rotary phone, but my uneducated imagination flows over with ideas and visions of how wrong this could go. My new ATM card has a chip, I'll stick with that for the time being.
For the most part there is nothing wrong with the moderation on Slashdot, trolls sink to the bottom reasonable comments float to the top.
I surf at the 2 threshold, seems to avoid most bullshit.
There is the pesky problem of "group think" and having engaging comments modded down because they don't fit with the "group think" - subjects like Assage / Snowden, RMS, Microsoft, and so on can be tricky. But there probably isn't a solution to that...
I think that's irrelevant. Whatever standards where in place by the Powers That Be here in the US, those are the standards. VW broke the rules in a calculated way. These cars, if not fixed, will have negligible resale value and if fixed, still a lesser resale value. They were sold to customers under dishonest false pretenses (redundant?) and these customers deserve compensation up to and including a full refund.
VW must be punished for this dishonesty in a way that discourages them from ever doing this again (as well as discouraging other from doing this as well), and a fine does not cut it because a fine is simply "the cost of doing business". What the US is asking is something that will not be forgotten by VW.
No the problem is that her former EMPLOYER wants her to work in the most expensive city in the US, and gives no fucks about how she makes that happen on what they want to pay.
Perhaps that is true, I certainly wouldn't put it past a company like Yahoo.
On the other hand, I might ask if there was a compelling reason for her to live in the Bay Area? Staying close to aging parents or some other personal reason? Seattle, where I live is getting to be a lot like the Bay Area in terms of cost of living but it wasn't always this way, but when that day arrives, I'll move.
And sure, Yahoo management might very well be a bunch of ass-kissing cock-sucking sycophants to the executives "up stairs", paying shit wages in one of the most expensive places to live on the planet, but to me that makes a great argument not to work for them.
Lastly, it's never a good move to publicly bad-mouth your employer in ways that can be traced back to you. This is just a reality. In ways I sympathise, but mostly I think the outcome was extremely predictable.
All in all, I find myself thinking that I would have been out the door by my own locomotion a long time ago .
The laws that VW broke are not "arbitrary".
Chrome Reader is just a knock-off of Google Reader, a product they discontinued several years ago despite a loyal fan base but this time only available as a Chrome add-on?
Thanks but no thanks.
If you liked it so much in its past incarnation, why not the new version? Obviously Google, like many, is switching to web interfaces. "It's the wave of the future".
I wonder who is paying Snowden's bills?
That's not really what any of the links you provided say.
NEWS FLASH: The world has never been static.
Isn't North Korea buying Opera?
Shit Lagoon Rowing Competition! Who will get the gold!
Many of these powerful Chinese business interests are part of the Chinese Leadership.
How shall the new environment be programmed? It all happened so slowly that most men failed to realize that anything had happened at all.
I suspect that even in China, this will get watered down a bit given that there are very powerful people in China that have business models that will be highly inconvenienced by this.