a) Patent laws are not designed to do kill innovation. They're designed to spread information and give an incentive not to hide the knowledge. Wanna dig up all kind of info that doesn't come in a manual with your phone or car, to mention just two of a gazillion topics? Dig in the patent literature, e.g. here: http://worldwide.espacenet.com/ Applicants pay lots of money to have the invention properly written down, such that the ordinary person skilled in that particular art can work the invention. b) You reply to the quote. Now, either prove your point and dig up the patent for the temperature controlled hot plate or come to the realization that your reply is not a proper conclusion. Look here: http://worldwide.espacenet.com/
Bert BTW, what you find in the database, is patent applications, which were not necessarily granted or granted as broad as originally filed for.
No, they are on opposite ends of the spectrum. With a patent there is a finite time in your life time (of up to 20 years and only if the patentee pays maintenance fees), there is a high threshold of obtaining them (although stuff slips through), and the applicant provides society with an accurate description of the invention and the way to implement it (of course, the latter is where software patents go wrong, as they don't get much deeper than stating a wish), at the expense of the applicant. Although a bit coarse tool, but both society and patentee benefit.
With copyright, well, I agree with you that it is broken. In return for the right, society gets zip, in particular if the copyright holder doesn't stick to his end of the bargain by releasing the work with DRM, thus basically guaranteeing that the work will not enter the public domain (because the technology is outdated and no longer available) after the ridiculously long term of protection for which the copyright holder didn't have to pay.
You could make UV goggles to let the UV pass only and go out on a sunny day. You wouldn't expose your eyes to much more UV than regular (well, your pupils will be open wider so it may be about 10x more). Enjoy the new experience.
While unpopular with the/. crowd, IP laws are a "contract" between society and creator. The creator gets rewarded with a temporary right to prohibit others from copying etc. After that period, the creative work enters the public domain. It should be blindingly obvious that of the IP laws, it is the copyright law that has become completely out of whack, given the insane duration of copyright.
With DRM it gets even worse: The creator (or usually the person who obtained the rights from the creator) doesn't intend to fulfill his end of the contract. DRM prevents a work from entering the public domain.
Whether it is first-to-file or first-to-invent, the garage inventor will have to retain a patent attorney to file a proper description of the invention to be filed as an application.
There is hardly any paperwork to get through up to and including the time of filing. The application is mailed/faxed/filed electronically, and you have your date. The garage inventor does not have to seek recourse against the big corporations and prove he was first. He just has to file first. And if he does that, he knows for certain that there is no risk that he will be bled to financial death to prove he invented it first.
Do you know that you get a filing date even if you don't pay the filing fee? (If that's not the case in the US, file it somewhere else.). Even a garage inventor can do that.
Filing early doesn't improve your chance of securing a patent. You might deduce from the fact that your scenario isn't happening in first to file countries that there might be something wrong with that idea.
An invention has to be described such in the patent application that an ordinary person skilled in the art (of that field) can achieve the claimed results.
Bert
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Well, according to a guard in a Discovery channel program on jails, people go bonkers in solitary confinement. If true, I'd qualify long term solitary as torture.
Next step: Put the trains in vacuum tubes and use magnets to levitate the trains above tracks, and the trains can move around while hardly using any energy.
Think a little bigger, a couple of moon bases. You create an electricity grid. The moon isn't that big. If you're gone live near one of the poles, the necessary length is much shorter.
On the moon, sunlight is pure and unadulterated. No atmosphere, no pesky clouds. No problem with less light at higher latitudes.
When I approach a red light, I don't continue driving and then stop, but start braking immediately and bring my speed down quickly. I then continue rolling at relatively low speed (with the shift stick in neutral, so the car doesn't brake on the engine). Often, I've still speed when the traffic light turns green. This works too if there are cars in front of you, but of course worse the longer the queue before the traffic light is, as they have to pick up speed.
I've always been waiting for the time that my TomTom gets info from the traffic lights to tell me the best speed, but alternative approaches would be fine too.
There is hardly anything risky about saving fuel. And who is talking about a requirement that ALL reserves have to be spent on it? Do you recognize that debating style? It is called a strawman. It should shake/wake you up, but you'll probably just go in denial. Kruger Dunning in real life.
Breyvik is a guy with a grudge, who clearly is capable of planning ahead. He is oh so cooperative, tells the police about another cell (didn't say there are many, because that would be unbelievable). He was also willing to do another thing, but a few requirements would have to be met. Most of them were very reasonable, but one of them the police could/would not accommodate for. How inconvenient! Breyvik smart; police stupid. He has a manifesto with codes in them. The manifesto is 1500 pages or so. That will keep the police occupied! And there are codes in them. Oh, brilliant, that will keep the police occupied even longer. And the police is blamed already for not preventing all this, they are not going to leave stone unturned. Blaming the police is stupid. It is like those slashdotters that pride themselves in having a gun to defend themselves, but wouldn't go home to get it if a felon stabbed a knife in their back on the street to get their wallet. The police could never have prevented it. Politics could have closed the alley. That's it. And he would have found another target. Don't give Breyvik power even while he's in custody, so don't spend time on the codes. At best they are real but just tell something mysterious that can be interpreted in more ways, costing more police effort. Just punish him for the terrorist act and the murders.
The storm has LED some to believe that it is one bit of a self-propelled message that is transferred over thousands of miles. While working on solar energy, transfer of this information goes on during the night, preventing the thread to be derailed by Slashdot's nuclear proponents.
There is currently discussion whether the storm is a one (as seen from the side) or a zero (seen from top).
No, it means you can copy (xerox/scan) the patent (the patent system exists to distribute information; and requires the applicant to do it extensively so it can be reproduced). If you put the code on a disk as code (not as a scan, that would be fine), it will be covered by copyright. Unfortunately there's double-dipping here.
Why does it necessarily circumvent the desire of workers for better conditions of employment? For example, the use of robots would cut down on having to work overtime. Robots can do things without overworking their muscles and can operate with hazardous compounds/in hazardous environments (i.e. not taxing the health of workers), and robots do not complain (yet) about mind-numbing repetitive operations. All these things have a positive effect on the working conditions of the (remaining) workers.
Well, it at least demonstrates his willingness to ignore facts to further an unsupported belief. It is not as innocent as you may suggest. Having said that, I agree that the focus should be on checking whether his climate-related findings are correct.
The objective of patent law is to share information and make it available to society. Even in the US patent applications are published after 18 months these days. They're all free to read and download, no subscriptions no fuzz. You can search them in various ways and there may even be a specialized translator facility helping you to read them in a language you can understand.
And why does the A/C try to release heat into the atmosphere at a moment when it is already hot (instead of dumping it into a cold buffer it prepared during the night), i.e. at a time when it is the hardest to get rid of that heat?
And why does the A/C try to release heat at a time when electricity demand is already at peak level (instead of during the night)? It would save money building power plants (and lower the electricity bills) if they didn't.
For a fraction of the defense budget, Americans could have saved more energy than their wars in the Middle East secured. And it wouldn't have pissed that many people off also. However, American culture halts progress, I guess. Isn't it amazing. When it comes to going to war, individual Americans don't pick up their gun and defend some sandy patch themselves for a while. There the DO realize that concerted government (military) action is more effective for the greater good (which in this case isn't very good. The US would be quite surprised if Arabs sent drones to Texas to secure their oil interests and kill some civilians as collateral damage. If something is the right thing, it shouldn't matter who does it.). But when it comes to energy, somehow unconcerted action based on individual sellf-interests would be the way to go and government should be left completely out of it.
Bert With the US defense budget of 10 years, a significant portion of the US energy production could have been sustainable, even if it were spent on the most expensive one of them all: solar PV. Would have made the US probably the world's most efficient producer of solar panels. Now the export product is high velocity lead and copper.
As patent applications are secret for 18 months after filing, I wonder how you know that. So, they did that much longer ago. If the system is ever going to be used in real life, it can be foiled with an IR filter. So, somebody can develop and sell that. Would keep your lens protected at the same time.
I'm Dutch and respect them a lot. The Dutch-speaking Belgians are indeed smart. They have a larger per capita income than the French-speaking Belgians and the Dutch, and there are very many high-tech companies there. It is the French part that drags them down.
I've never had an atheist ringing my doorbell to promote atheism. So far only religious people did to promote their religion. So far only religious people have asked me to keep quiet for a while before dinner. So far I've only received religion-promoting pamphlets on the streets, never pamphlets promoting atheism. So far I've only seen religious people wanting to control other people's desires on topics like euthanasia and gay marriage. It is not that atheists say that other's should go for euthanasia or must marry a same-sex person.
So yes, please re-calibrate. What you see is response to a trigger. Like this one, yes.
As for the only-money-matters approach, that is correct. It is a human/culture thing. Some humans/cultures value other things as well, like their kids, environment etc. I prefer to have my own say over what interests me.
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So, ALL current government actions are bad? Or is it a single flaw in your mindset that this would be the case?
But perhaps I misinterpreted your post and you were making a joke on the Tea-party level of thinking but spoiled it by using too eloquent words.
Bert
a) Patent laws are not designed to do kill innovation. They're designed to spread information and give an incentive not to hide the knowledge. Wanna dig up all kind of info that doesn't come in a manual with your phone or car, to mention just two of a gazillion topics? Dig in the patent literature, e.g. here: http://worldwide.espacenet.com/
Applicants pay lots of money to have the invention properly written down, such that the ordinary person skilled in that particular art can work the invention.
b) You reply to the quote. Now, either prove your point and dig up the patent for the temperature controlled hot plate or come to the realization that your reply is not a proper conclusion. Look here: http://worldwide.espacenet.com/
Bert
BTW, what you find in the database, is patent applications, which were not necessarily granted or granted as broad as originally filed for.
No, they are on opposite ends of the spectrum. With a patent there is a finite time in your life time (of up to 20 years and only if the patentee pays maintenance fees), there is a high threshold of obtaining them (although stuff slips through), and the applicant provides society with an accurate description of the invention and the way to implement it (of course, the latter is where software patents go wrong, as they don't get much deeper than stating a wish), at the expense of the applicant. Although a bit coarse tool, but both society and patentee benefit.
With copyright, well, I agree with you that it is broken. In return for the right, society gets zip, in particular if the copyright holder doesn't stick to his end of the bargain by releasing the work with DRM, thus basically guaranteeing that the work will not enter the public domain (because the technology is outdated and no longer available) after the ridiculously long term of protection for which the copyright holder didn't have to pay.
Sorry, facts are facts.
Bert
Very informative. Do you happen to know how fast the changes are in real time?
Bert
People have been doing the same thing for IR.
http://amasci.com/amateur/irgoggl.html
You could make UV goggles to let the UV pass only and go out on a sunny day. You wouldn't expose your eyes to much more UV than regular (well, your pupils will be open wider so it may be about 10x more). Enjoy the new experience.
Bert
While unpopular with the /. crowd, IP laws are a "contract" between society and creator. The creator gets rewarded with a temporary right to prohibit others from copying etc. After that period, the creative work enters the public domain. It should be blindingly obvious that of the IP laws, it is the copyright law that has become completely out of whack, given the insane duration of copyright.
With DRM it gets even worse: The creator (or usually the person who obtained the rights from the creator) doesn't intend to fulfill his end of the contract. DRM prevents a work from entering the public domain.
Bert
(patent attorney)
Whether it is first-to-file or first-to-invent, the garage inventor will have to retain a patent attorney to file a proper description of the invention to be filed as an application.
There is hardly any paperwork to get through up to and including the time of filing. The application is mailed/faxed/filed electronically, and you have your date. The garage inventor does not have to seek recourse against the big corporations and prove he was first. He just has to file first. And if he does that, he knows for certain that there is no risk that he will be bled to financial death to prove he invented it first.
Do you know that you get a filing date even if you don't pay the filing fee? (If that's not the case in the US, file it somewhere else.). Even a garage inventor can do that.
Filing early doesn't improve your chance of securing a patent. You might deduce from the fact that your scenario isn't happening in first to file countries that there might be something wrong with that idea.
Bert
An invention has to be described such in the patent application that an ordinary person skilled in the art (of that field) can achieve the claimed results.
Bert
Well, according to a guard in a Discovery channel program on jails, people go bonkers in solitary confinement. If true, I'd qualify long term solitary as torture.
Bert
Next step: Put the trains in vacuum tubes and use magnets to levitate the trains above tracks, and the trains can move around while hardly using any energy.
Bert
Think a little bigger, a couple of moon bases. You create an electricity grid. The moon isn't that big. If you're gone live near one of the poles, the necessary length is much shorter.
On the moon, sunlight is pure and unadulterated. No atmosphere, no pesky clouds. No problem with less light at higher latitudes.
Bert
When I approach a red light, I don't continue driving and then stop, but start braking immediately and bring my speed down quickly. I then continue rolling at relatively low speed (with the shift stick in neutral, so the car doesn't brake on the engine). Often, I've still speed when the traffic light turns green. This works too if there are cars in front of you, but of course worse the longer the queue before the traffic light is, as they have to pick up speed.
I've always been waiting for the time that my TomTom gets info from the traffic lights to tell me the best speed, but alternative approaches would be fine too.
Bert
Like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_KYUF6pxR8&feature=player_embedded
Bert
There is hardly anything risky about saving fuel. And who is talking about a requirement that ALL reserves have to be spent on it? Do you recognize that debating style? It is called a strawman. It should shake/wake you up, but you'll probably just go in denial. Kruger Dunning in real life.
Bert
Breyvik is a guy with a grudge, who clearly is capable of planning ahead. He is oh so cooperative, tells the police about another cell (didn't say there are many, because that would be unbelievable). He was also willing to do another thing, but a few requirements would have to be met. Most of them were very reasonable, but one of them the police could/would not accommodate for. How inconvenient! Breyvik smart; police stupid. He has a manifesto with codes in them. The manifesto is 1500 pages or so. That will keep the police occupied! And there are codes in them. Oh, brilliant, that will keep the police occupied even longer. And the police is blamed already for not preventing all this, they are not going to leave stone unturned. Blaming the police is stupid. It is like those slashdotters that pride themselves in having a gun to defend themselves, but wouldn't go home to get it if a felon stabbed a knife in their back on the street to get their wallet. The police could never have prevented it. Politics could have closed the alley. That's it. And he would have found another target. Don't give Breyvik power even while he's in custody, so don't spend time on the codes. At best they are real but just tell something mysterious that can be interpreted in more ways, costing more police effort. Just punish him for the terrorist act and the murders.
Bert
The storm has LED some to believe that it is one bit of a self-propelled message that is transferred over thousands of miles. While working on solar energy, transfer of this information goes on during the night, preventing the thread to be derailed by Slashdot's nuclear proponents.
There is currently discussion whether the storm is a one (as seen from the side) or a zero (seen from top).
Hey, I tried to keep bring it back on topic.
Bert
No, it means you can copy (xerox/scan) the patent (the patent system exists to distribute information; and requires the applicant to do it extensively so it can be reproduced). If you put the code on a disk as code (not as a scan, that would be fine), it will be covered by copyright. Unfortunately there's double-dipping here.
Bert
Why does it necessarily circumvent the desire of workers for better conditions of employment? For example, the use of robots would cut down on having to work overtime. Robots can do things without overworking their muscles and can operate with hazardous compounds/in hazardous environments (i.e. not taxing the health of workers), and robots do not complain (yet) about mind-numbing repetitive operations. All these things have a positive effect on the working conditions of the (remaining) workers.
Bert
Well, it at least demonstrates his willingness to ignore facts to further an unsupported belief. It is not as innocent as you may suggest. Having said that, I agree that the focus should be on checking whether his climate-related findings are correct.
Bert
The objective of patent law is to share information and make it available to society. Even in the US patent applications are published after 18 months these days. They're all free to read and download, no subscriptions no fuzz. You can search them in various ways and there may even be a specialized translator facility helping you to read them in a language you can understand.
Bert
And why does the A/C try to release heat into the atmosphere at a moment when it is already hot (instead of dumping it into a cold buffer it prepared during the night), i.e. at a time when it is the hardest to get rid of that heat?
And why does the A/C try to release heat at a time when electricity demand is already at peak level (instead of during the night)? It would save money building power plants (and lower the electricity bills) if they didn't.
For a fraction of the defense budget, Americans could have saved more energy than their wars in the Middle East secured. And it wouldn't have pissed that many people off also. However, American culture halts progress, I guess. Isn't it amazing. When it comes to going to war, individual Americans don't pick up their gun and defend some sandy patch themselves for a while. There the DO realize that concerted government (military) action is more effective for the greater good (which in this case isn't very good. The US would be quite surprised if Arabs sent drones to Texas to secure their oil interests and kill some civilians as collateral damage. If something is the right thing, it shouldn't matter who does it.). But when it comes to energy, somehow unconcerted action based on individual sellf-interests would be the way to go and government should be left completely out of it.
Bert
With the US defense budget of 10 years, a significant portion of the US energy production could have been sustainable, even if it were spent on the most expensive one of them all: solar PV. Would have made the US probably the world's most efficient producer of solar panels. Now the export product is high velocity lead and copper.
As patent applications are secret for 18 months after filing, I wonder how you know that. So, they did that much longer ago. If the system is ever going to be used in real life, it can be foiled with an IR filter. So, somebody can develop and sell that. Would keep your lens protected at the same time.
Bert
I'm Dutch and respect them a lot. The Dutch-speaking Belgians are indeed smart. They have a larger per capita income than the French-speaking Belgians and the Dutch, and there are very many high-tech companies there. It is the French part that drags them down.
Bert
I've never had an atheist ringing my doorbell to promote atheism. So far only religious people did to promote their religion.
So far only religious people have asked me to keep quiet for a while before dinner.
So far I've only received religion-promoting pamphlets on the streets, never pamphlets promoting atheism.
So far I've only seen religious people wanting to control other people's desires on topics like euthanasia and gay marriage. It is not that atheists say that other's should go for euthanasia or must marry a same-sex person.
So yes, please re-calibrate. What you see is response to a trigger. Like this one, yes.
Bert
As for the only-money-matters approach, that is correct. It is a human/culture thing. Some humans/cultures value other things as well, like their kids, environment etc. I prefer to have my own say over what interests me.
Bert