would it be ok if we try to prevent it from happening again first? like maybe by going after people who plan terrorist attacks against us... would that be ok?
Problem is that both sides think like this, take northern Ireland, take Palestine or Pakistan/India/Kashmir.... Violence will solve nothing... ever !
Like, when american planes clusterbomb a village or the RedCross storage bilding (3 times no less for "mistake"), should America be punished with "violence" ?? I don't that would solve anything.
right to privacy....in an open cafe". That's funny!
Why is that funny ? I guess it depends on how you define privacy.
I surely expect some level of privacy when I go to a cafe and have a coffe/beer/whatever. F.ex. I don't expect to find records of what I drank, on the Internet, the next day. And
Don't forget that 'privacy' is something that is defined by the people, and if you stop beliving you have this right, then you will stop having it.
I am a member of the Mandrake Club and although I understand some people beeing pissed at Mandrake going back on it's words. I can understand Mandrake's view.
The question is weather or not to give access to SO at all, after all, Mandrake will have to pay sun for it and as we know Mandrake is kinda short on cash
There realy are just two options, ignore SO completely, or pay sun and give access to it. If Mandrake is to survive, they have to make reasonable choises, and not giving away SO to everyone might be necessary.
Now, if anyone, ever asks the stupid question about why software patents are bad, this is one hell of a example.
Think aout it, a lot of people have been working on THIS since 1998 only to have someone come to them 4 years later and tell them that they can't continue since it's now a patented idea.
The sheer volume of mail that we received as "probes" to test for relays which we have NEVER supported, is SPAM in itself, in my opinion.
Those probes you are seeing are mostly spammers looking for open relays. I am in charge of releasing an (internal) security report each month for the company I work for and we receive on everage 250-330 such probes each month.
If you beat everyone back down, anytime they take an extreme position,
you end up with no one expressing an opinion at all,
You forgot the second-half of the troll-requirement. "Without mentioning the other side at all".
In a normal logical discussion, people bring up the arguments of the other party. try to show why they are wrong and try to argue for their own belives. That's what a good discussion looks like.
Is this the best they could come with to justify
their losses ? Jean-Marie Messier (J2M) is just a stupid fool with hypertrophied ego.
I wouldn't know, I don't know him, but this comment is about his person, not the issue at hand. I.e. not only off-topic, but a flame/troll also.
Nowadays they show less than half of the
good movies of the year before, most of them
being actually 18/24 months old (because they
have to go through their lameass pay per view channels first),
But mostly because of the law that prohibits public broadcasting of movies, within one year of them beeing show in theaters.
(some say that in the 80s coke was free
for everyone at their parties, now even
the prices of the other kind of coke at the
vending machines have gone up).
There is nothing in your comment that is on-topic, all of it is off-topic, quite a bit is trolling material. and some personal comments about someone beeing "a stupid fool". Are you running some kind of a smear-campaign ?
And they blame it on Murdoch and the Israelies !
Nobody is blaming "the Israelis" as a whole. Af course there are morally-challenged Israelis as there are of any other nationality. But it's not a comment about all Israelis.
Israel has got very good cryptographers and I think that is the reason the article mentions the alleged location of the crack.
I don't think a few isolated examples from the last century makes a good case for doing away with patent laws.
The article suggests no such thing. In fact it even says: "These examples do not necessarily suggest that the abandonment of patent protection is an essential precondition for development. But they do indicate that it can, in the right circumstances, be an effective tool."
While i'm all for helping developing nations (and I think cheap medical supplies, drugs, and genetically enhanced food crops should be available to anyone, patents be damned), I don't see patents as being the cause of all their troubles
Again, no one is suggesting that "all their troubles" are caused by patent-blockages. Did you read the article ??
I find it very unlikely that a lifting of patent laws on underprivileged countries would fix all their problems.
Again, who is suggesting that it would fix all their problems ??
It may alleviate some issues, but it won't fix much in the long run.
And why ?? Do you know what % of adults have AIDS in Africa ?? Up to 30% in soma areas !!! Do you know what percentage can affort drug treatment ?? Close to 0%. And you say it won't fix much ???
He could better spend his time focusing on how to get these countries the cheap food and medical sources they need, rather than putting forth examples of 'patentless society'.
If the 'developing' countries are to be able to 'develop' then giving their money away won't help. Although Africa can't affort to buy bug/desease resistant seeds (and once a year, because they won't create fertile seeds) or aids drugs, it can well affort to produce it itself. But "affort" is not enough if you are denied the ability by some company that puts profits before anything else.
You are taking an extreme view on the issue without even having read the article in question.
To those that modded the comment up:
Print out the comment '"Freedom" of thievery? Indeed.'. Hang it on your wall where it is easily visible to remind you of what a troll looks like.
Yes, now imagine if Linux Torvalds or the FreeBSD Foundation were liable for that same $2 Billion. They would be SOL. Microsoft would just be annoyed.
People often tend to forget a very important factor when talking about Microsoft. Microsoft is a *monopoly*, it's official now.
With that monopoly power they have killed off a lot of the competition by creating proprietary standards.
And here is the important fact: People/companies no longer have any *choice* but to use Microsoft's products if they want to share information with someone else. And what companies don't share information today ? None !
So please, don't compare the Microsoft user-license/responsabilities/whatever, that you have no choice but to accept or get out of business, to the open-source ones that people can very easily walk away from if they dislike it.
It is a testament to the design of the protocol that it's still ticking with all these enhancements (aka hacks.) But, all the
layers add bits of overhead that could likely be engineered out if one had the luxury of starting from scratch.
Sure, but what is the gain from that ? Take IPv6 for exampe, a vastly superiour protocol than ipv4 can ever dream of.
People will be using HTTP in ten years for the same reason as it will be sent over ipv4 networks.
What you are proposing is throwing huge amounts of money out the window to fix a broken protocol.
Have you *any* idea what 3000 encryption hardware accelerators might cost ? (+ servers)
The "Correct" way, from every standpoint is simply not to use NFS, but some other protocol that has the security parts you need. For example, as long as you can protect the authentication credentials, encrypting the contents might not not be as important.
But, many have also taken the "more money" way, and the simplest path to follow there (from an administrational point of view) is simply to use microsoft.
The scenario is not mine, but not many years ago, a lot of universities had this setup. There are a LOT of hackers there, and many have switched to microsoft CIFS now.
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I have never criticized any other nation's internal policies. It is none of my business.
I wish more Americans were like you.
You are sadly mistaken.
You can be in "public" but still have some level of privacy.
Check THIS out, we're all stealing music !!!
To get copyrightprotection it must be an original and creative work.
Naive you are. Read this you must.
would it be ok if we try to prevent it from happening again first? like maybe by going after people who plan terrorist attacks against us... would that be ok?
Problem is that both sides think like this, take northern Ireland, take Palestine or Pakistan/India/Kashmir .... Violence will solve nothing ... ever !
Like, when american planes clusterbomb a village or the RedCross storage bilding (3 times no less for "mistake"), should America be punished with "violence" ?? I don't that would solve anything.
Well, one of the problems that people have is the way that the MPAA and RIAA are *adapting* their business models.
I doubt that MPAA and RIAA even *have* a good business model. They are in a monopoly position and as such don't have to model anything.
It doesn't matter what they do, there is no risk of lost business to the competitors because there are none.
Anyone who has taken an introductiory course in economics will understand the scam.
Why is that funny ? I guess it depends on how you define privacy.
Plain sight... nuff said.
So, ? Please tell us the definition of privacy that makes it funny to expect it in a cafe ?? Come on don't be shy ..
right to privacy....in an open cafe". That's funny!
Why is that funny ? I guess it depends on how you define privacy.
I surely expect some level of privacy when I go to a cafe and have a coffe/beer/whatever. F.ex. I don't expect to find records of what I drank, on the Internet, the next day. And
Don't forget that 'privacy' is something that is defined by the people, and if you stop beliving you have this right, then you will stop having it.
I am a member of the Mandrake Club and although I understand some people beeing pissed at Mandrake going back on it's words. I can understand Mandrake's view.
The question is weather or not to give access to SO at all, after all, Mandrake will have to pay sun for it and as we know Mandrake is kinda short on cash
There realy are just two options, ignore SO completely, or pay sun and give access to it. If Mandrake is to survive, they have to make reasonable choises, and not giving away SO to everyone might be necessary.
Yeah, yeah, I know my splelling is not so good.
Now, if anyone, ever asks the stupid question about why software patents are bad, this is one hell of a example.
Think aout it, a lot of people have been working on THIS since 1998 only to have someone come to them 4 years later and tell them that they can't continue since it's now a patented idea.
Wait, is this a joke? What legal expense?
Read the article, the guy got a lawyer..
Could also make a nice .sig
The sheer volume of mail that we received as "probes" to test for relays which we have NEVER supported, is SPAM in itself, in my opinion.
Those probes you are seeing are mostly spammers looking for open relays. I am in charge of releasing an (internal) security report each month for the company I work for and we receive on everage 250-330 such probes each month.
You forgot the second-half of the troll-requirement. "Without mentioning the other side at all".
In a normal logical discussion, people bring up the arguments of the other party. try to show why they are wrong and try to argue for their own belives. That's what a good discussion looks like.
Read over the guys comment.
He doesn't even try to argue about *why* he is right, he just *assumes* he is right and then uses that to criminalise those with different opinions.
Is this the best they could come with to justify their losses ? Jean-Marie Messier (J2M) is just a stupid fool with hypertrophied ego.
I wouldn't know, I don't know him, but this comment is about his person, not the issue at hand. I.e. not only off-topic, but a flame/troll also.
Nowadays they show less than half of the good movies of the year before, most of them being actually 18/24 months old (because they have to go through their lameass pay per view channels first),
But mostly because of the law that prohibits public broadcasting of movies, within one year of them beeing show in theaters.
(some say that in the 80s coke was free for everyone at their parties, now even the prices of the other kind of coke at the vending machines have gone up).
There is nothing in your comment that is on-topic, all of it is off-topic, quite a bit is trolling material. and some personal comments about someone beeing "a stupid fool". Are you running some kind of a smear-campaign ?
And they blame it on Murdoch and the Israelies !
Nobody is blaming "the Israelis" as a whole. Af course there are morally-challenged Israelis as there are of any other nationality. But it's not a comment about all Israelis.
Israel has got very good cryptographers and I think that is the reason the article mentions the alleged location of the crack.
-- Have a nice day,
The article suggests no such thing. In fact it even says: "These examples do not necessarily suggest that the abandonment of patent protection is an essential precondition for development. But they do indicate that it can, in the right circumstances, be an effective tool."
While i'm all for helping developing nations (and I think cheap medical supplies, drugs, and genetically enhanced food crops should be available to anyone, patents be damned), I don't see patents as being the cause of all their troubles
Again, no one is suggesting that "all their troubles" are caused by patent-blockages. Did you read the article ??
I find it very unlikely that a lifting of patent laws on underprivileged countries would fix all their problems.
Again, who is suggesting that it would fix all their problems ??
It may alleviate some issues, but it won't fix much in the long run.
And why ?? Do you know what % of adults have AIDS in Africa ?? Up to 30% in soma areas !!! Do you know what percentage can affort drug treatment ?? Close to 0%. And you say it won't fix much ???
He could better spend his time focusing on how to get these countries the cheap food and medical sources they need, rather than putting forth examples of 'patentless society'.
If the 'developing' countries are to be able to 'develop' then giving their money away won't help. Although Africa can't affort to buy bug/desease resistant seeds (and once a year, because they won't create fertile seeds) or aids drugs, it can well affort to produce it itself. But "affort" is not enough if you are denied the ability by some company that puts profits before anything else.
You are taking an extreme view on the issue without even having read the article in question.
That makes you a troll mister !
Even if he/she was playing Devil's Advocate it's still a troll.
It's a troll when you take 1 extreme side to the extreeme end and don't even mention that there is another side on the matter.
To those that modded the comment up :
Print out the comment '"Freedom" of thievery? Indeed.'. Hang it on your wall where it is easily visible to remind you of what a troll looks like.
Just joined ..
What came first - the chicken or the egg?
Actually, there exists a correct answer, but to understand it you must understand the question first.
Evolution is the key.
Actually Google's system can, and is, beeing abused..
Yes, now imagine if Linux Torvalds or the FreeBSD Foundation were liable for that same $2 Billion. They would be SOL. Microsoft would just be annoyed.
People often tend to forget a very important factor when talking about Microsoft. Microsoft is a *monopoly*, it's official now.
With that monopoly power they have killed off a lot of the competition by creating proprietary standards.
And here is the important fact: People/companies no longer have any *choice* but to use Microsoft's products if they want to share information with someone else. And what companies don't share information today ? None !
So please, don't compare the Microsoft user-license/responsabilities/whatever, that you have no choice but to accept or get out of business, to the open-source ones that people can very easily walk away from if they dislike it.
It is a testament to the design of the protocol that it's still ticking with all these enhancements (aka hacks.) But, all the layers add bits of overhead that could likely be engineered out if one had the luxury of starting from scratch.
Sure, but what is the gain from that ? Take IPv6 for exampe, a vastly superiour protocol than ipv4 can ever dream of.
People will be using HTTP in ten years for the same reason as it will be sent over ipv4 networks.
What you are proposing is throwing huge amounts of money out the window to fix a broken protocol.
Have you *any* idea what 3000 encryption hardware accelerators might cost ? (+ servers)
The "Correct" way, from every standpoint is simply not to use NFS, but some other protocol that has the security parts you need. For example, as long as you can protect the authentication credentials, encrypting the contents might not not be as important.
But, many have also taken the "more money" way, and the simplest path to follow there (from an administrational point of view) is simply to use microsoft.
The scenario is not mine, but not many years ago, a lot of universities had this setup. There are a LOT of hackers there, and many have switched to microsoft CIFS now.
Use IPSEC authentication (AH or ESP if you also need encryption).
Try that for 3000 clients and your performance is toast !