"As tempting as it might seem, DON'T run kazaa. It also uses the IE rendering engine, is itself loaded with spyware, and its trivial to get a virus (running a test, I got that anti-racism ping flood virus, forgot the name, within a few minutes)."
Use Limewire, other than the nag screens asking you to update to Limewire Pro, it is free of spyware\ad-ware\etc AFAIK.
Are they just spending all their time online chatting with friends? If so, just limit their time to 1 hour a day or, as some other people have posted, give 'em a blank hard-drive and a fresh FreeBSD install and plenty of books.
If they're like me and spend all their time online programming, reading, maintaining a web server, etc, then don't cut their access down, just sit down and have a talk with them and work with them to think up things they could do instead of going on the computer. Maybe just tell them that you'll continue letting them sit on the computer as long as they currently do if they'll let you sign them up for a soccer/badminton/etc league.
"Having the computers in a common area isn't going to keep the teens from using them for something other than chatting"
Think again.
I finally convinced a friend to try something non-ms (in the form of the Knoppix live-cd). The first time he was trying it, his mom came into the room and shouted "OH MY GOD! YOU BROKE THE COMPUTER!" Luckily, she's a *lot* more understanding than your typical computer illiterate parent.
Personally, I quite like having my computers to myself. No parents who don't understand the computers themselves making the rules.
Every week or so at some time around 4AM, I drop into single user (I run FreeBSD at secure level 2, raw device access is disabled in multi-user) and run:
dd if=/dev/ad0 of=/dev/ad1
That way, if either drive fails the most work I have to do is shut down, change the jumpers on the slave HD to make it master, and start back up.
I do this, because not only do I have my porn stash to protect, but a few other people's who have it available on their websites which I host!
My general point was, the server is my private property and all the Terms of Service are there for is, like you say, a warning and for an outline as to what I will and wont let you do and possibly what I plan to do in the event that you don't follow my rules.
The reason I was trying to point this out, was because people were comparing the ToS to a EULA as far as enforcability, and I was attempting to state that this is not a fair comparison, as the ToS doesn't actually require any legal backing at all.
"So a company worker looking for a place to buy polyesther thread can't search for it on Google, because that'd be a commercial use!"
I'm giving you free tech support, you'll use the program I tell you to so that I don't have to come back here every second day to clean spyware off your computer or I'm not supporting you any longer.
If they complain, I'll put everything back to IE and when they call me because their computer is slow as hell and generally fscked over from spyware I remind them that I'm not supporting them any longer, and tell them that will fix it for $X.
There is no law (AFAIK) saying that I must allow absoloutely everyone access to my server. If I wanted I could block your IP, people using Internet Explorer, people using Firefox, people requesting more than one page every 5 seconds, people coming from the country of America... whatever the hell I want.
Now, I can just say "If you want to use my site, you must follow MY rules." My rules being the terms of service. If you don't follow my rules, I can go ahead and firewall off your IP, return a page saying you've been blocked, or even just return fake results.
This is the same as if I went into Barnes & Noble and moved all the bibles to the fiction section. They are perfectly within the law to kick me out and forbid me from ever coming back. It is their private property and they are not required by law to allow me access just as my server is my private property and I am not required by law to allow you access.
I find in FPS when I have many small things nibbling at me, a grenade thrown at the feet works quite well in eliminating all of them (& me, but that's beside the point).
Try something like that on a 9x box with QBasic. Not 100% sure about the syntax because It's been a while, but it basically writes out 255 to memory locations sequentially. Typically this just causes it to hang for a few seconds then restart.
I could also reverse-engineer the binary and then port the assembly by hand to run on an Commodore or something. When you're dealing with something like this you should probably go with what is most likely;)
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"As tempting as it might seem, DON'T run kazaa. It also uses the IE rendering engine, is itself loaded with spyware, and its trivial to get a virus (running a test, I got that anti-racism ping flood virus, forgot the name, within a few minutes)."
Use Limewire, other than the nag screens asking you to update to Limewire Pro, it is free of spyware\ad-ware\etc AFAIK.
ND
" I'll come and visit your planet someday.
Next you'll tell me that "eg" and "ie" are actual Latin words, and not abbreviations."
Let me get this straight... you imply that he is wrong in calling S.I.C. an acronym then berate him for thinking it is a latin word?
I believe you need to re-read his post.
z0mg d00d |_| |2 50 |\|0T 1337
<NuclearDog> |2 |_| 4 f|3| 4g3|\|t 0|2 50|\/|3T|-|1|\|g?!
<NuclearDog> 1 p|-|33|2 j00
'Spelling in Context'?
This is what I was tought that 'sic' meant, and perhaps the author of the article had the same meaning in mind?
Hmm, I guess that didn't make much sense.
Interpret it however you'd like, though. All of the interpretations I can think of are still fine with me.
ND
Are they just spending all their time online chatting with friends? If so, just limit their time to 1 hour a day or, as some other people have posted, give 'em a blank hard-drive and a fresh FreeBSD install and plenty of books.
If they're like me and spend all their time online programming, reading, maintaining a web server, etc, then don't cut their access down, just sit down and have a talk with them and work with them to think up things they could do instead of going on the computer. Maybe just tell them that you'll continue letting them sit on the computer as long as they currently do if they'll let you sign them up for a soccer/badminton/etc league.
"Having the computers in a common area isn't going to keep the teens from using them for something other than chatting"
Think again.
I finally convinced a friend to try something non-ms (in the form of the Knoppix live-cd). The first time he was trying it, his mom came into the room and shouted "OH MY GOD! YOU BROKE THE COMPUTER!" Luckily, she's a *lot* more understanding than your typical computer illiterate parent.
Personally, I quite like having my computers to myself. No parents who don't understand the computers themselves making the rules.
ND
Would someone PLEASE tell me what this bug is?
Although everyone keeps talking about it, I have yet to notice anything very blatent using *any* version of Firefox.
ND
Only if you're using a short int and "Awesome game" is greater than or equal to 3276.8.
ND
"We even found that you could put them on a wall in a stairstep and climb to otherwise inaccessible areas."
/me runs off to try it.
I must say that you are completely fscking nuts.
ND
The 1.1.1.0 patch supplied by Valve will remove the requirement for the CD, although earlier patches may do this, too.
ND
Guess what?
A while after I posted that, both drives failed WITHIN 10 MINUTES OF EACH OTHER!
My pr0n, my beatiful pr0n...
I do this, because not only do I have my porn stash to protect, but a few other people's who have it available on their websites which I host!
ND, protector of the pr0n
"i lost exactly one divx movie but as able to retrieve and back up everything else (~200gb)"
:P)
Holy shit that's a lot of pr0n!
(You all know it had to be said
ND
No.
Humans were created by water to carry it uphill. All other uses are a mere coincedence.
My general point was, the server is my private property and all the Terms of Service are there for is, like you say, a warning and for an outline as to what I will and wont let you do and possibly what I plan to do in the event that you don't follow my rules.
The reason I was trying to point this out, was because people were comparing the ToS to a EULA as far as enforcability, and I was attempting to state that this is not a fair comparison, as the ToS doesn't actually require any legal backing at all.
"So a company worker looking for a place to buy polyesther thread can't search for it on Google, because that'd be a commercial use!"
Yeah, that is one interpretation.
ND
Maybe he just thinks like I do?
I'm giving you free tech support, you'll use the program I tell you to so that I don't have to come back here every second day to clean spyware off your computer or I'm not supporting you any longer.
If they complain, I'll put everything back to IE and when they call me because their computer is slow as hell and generally fscked over from spyware I remind them that I'm not supporting them any longer, and tell them that will fix it for $X.
ND
Here's how I look at it.
There is no law (AFAIK) saying that I must allow absoloutely everyone access to my server. If I wanted I could block your IP, people using Internet Explorer, people using Firefox, people requesting more than one page every 5 seconds, people coming from the country of America... whatever the hell I want.
Now, I can just say "If you want to use my site, you must follow MY rules." My rules being the terms of service. If you don't follow my rules, I can go ahead and firewall off your IP, return a page saying you've been blocked, or even just return fake results.
This is the same as if I went into Barnes & Noble and moved all the bibles to the fiction section. They are perfectly within the law to kick me out and forbid me from ever coming back. It is their private property and they are not required by law to allow me access just as my server is my private property and I am not required by law to allow you access.
ND
Or just return a bunch of fake links:
"Madame X's House of Leather"
"Hot slutty teens!"
"Wet & Wild College Girls!"
Etc.
Microsoft would stop leeching REAL quick.
Netcraft confirms it. BSD^H^H^HNovell is dying.
I find in FPS when I have many small things nibbling at me, a grenade thrown at the feet works quite well in eliminating all of them (& me, but that's beside the point).
ND
I don't know. Stick a vibrator in your ear and leave it on for two weeks and tell me if it feels funny.
(BTW, I'd recommend against using a used vibrator)
BTW, for Bush supports, feel free to switch the 'KerryVotes++;' & 'BushVotes++' around.
G'day,
ND
I could also reverse-engineer the binary and then port the assembly by hand to run on an Commodore or something. When you're dealing with something like this you should probably go with what is most likely ;)