The GPL does allow the same work to be licensed under different terms. You didn't post a link to the full text of the contract you signed, and you didn't mention what country you were in at the time. And we only have your side of the story. You don't even mention which FSF OSS projects you created.
It looks like you were under some kind of "work for hire" contract, where you perhaps did not actually have copyrights to transfer in the first place.
It's a tradeoff between storage granularity and potential for speed. If a system can read or write more in a given cycle, that can be exploited for performance. A big sector or cluster size can mean much better performance for some types of data, specifically, A/V media. The sector size on a low level format also dictates the way the firmware is written, and a bigger sector size might mean an order of magnitude more address space for the controller; I wonder if that's becoming some kind of bottleneck for the manufacturers? (I didn't RTFA, it was slashdotted.)
First fire was a kitchen fire my dad started in 1976. He was frying something and the oil caught in the pan. Before he could get it out, the fire had spread to the other side of the room, and caught a curtain on fire, and also started burning the pine cupboard over the sink, about two meters away from the stove. My dad put the pan fire out with flour (a lesson I feel grateful to have learned, which I've made use of in the kitchen and in the lab), and he got a bad 3rd degree burn on his hand.
Second fire was arson, in 1996. Someone set fire to the adjacent townhouse and burned down a four-unit, two-story townhouse. Pretty much everything I own has been acquired since then, because I basically lost all my possessions that day -- including a 4000+ record collection and a quite comprehensive collection Marvel comics going back to 1969, among other things. I'm still pretty bummed, but at least I wasn't killed (nobody was injured). Both those fires were in Dallas Texas. I've also been in forest fires in Texas, Colorado, and Wyoming. (NO, I did not start them.)
The most recent property crime was this past Christmas Eve. Someone busted out the window on my Volvo, and grabbed my coat with my wallet in it. I'd only left it briefly, and I was already going back to get it. The main annoyance of that, was, losing all my cash, my ID, and my ATM card, that it was Christmas Eve and everybody I knew was out of town, so there was no way for me to get cash, which basically meant, I had to spend the whole week eating what I could scrounge from my pantry. That was in Arizona. I've been robbed at gunpoint in Texas, also shot at for no particular reason, also in Texas, and I've been robbed once, I assume at gunpoint but I'm not sure because I didn't care to find out, in California. Oh yeah, and I've been mugged in Atlanta.
I don't think there's any particular place you need to stay away from, you just need to stay away from *me*:-)
There's more to the story. Part of it, left out of the current version, is that when the firefighters and police arrived, they had to chase him through the house to get him to exit (TWICE), and had to restrain him in handcuffs to keep him out. That might have hampered firefighting efforts more than the phone hold time did.
> How'd the guy know it was Vonage putting him on hold and not the call center?
Maybe there was some distinctive message, or some evidence of that nature? Or maybe not. We don't know. We don't even know the story isn't a complete hoax. And if it's not a hoax, we don't know if the delay wasn't between the CO and the 911 call center. Or if the Vonage call perhaps put him through *faster* than a landline at the same location would have done. Honestly, we don't know very much at all. None of the details that I'd want to know if I were on a jury for this case, either between the homeowner and Vonage, or between him and his insurer.
>Vonage put the call on hold?? Or was it the 911 operator?
The premise of the story is that Vonage did, presumably in the process of routing the call to the localized 911. They have to do some processing, in order to provide localized 911 at all, and they had to be dragged kicking and screaming into compliance.
The discussion board is light on details, and in particular, the questions I'd ask as a juror aren't even approached. Was this a delay between the CO and the 911 call center? How did the route trace at the time of the call, in terms of the customer's broadband connection, and in terms of the voip packets? When was the 911 call initiated? When was it received by Vonage? What are the specific details of the handling of that call, timestamped logs please. If Vonage can't provide that information, as a juror I'd be willing to impose bankrupting fines against the company and recommend criminal prosecutions for the people who knew or should have known that this system could fail.
On the other hand, if the company can demonstrate due diligence, and especially if they can show that the same hold time would have resulted from a landline 911 call terminated at the same CO, then I'd find for the company. Either way, the homeowner has no fault. Any insurance company that tried to dismiss a claim because the homeowner used Vonage for 911, should lose.
I wish I had an option in Firefox to open links not merely in a new window, but in a completely new browser process. I have things I'd like to remain open even if a browser process crashes, and the only way I can do that is by starting another instance of Firefox. It doesn't crash often, but when it does, it can certainly take down a whole lot of open pages. And that can ruin my day.
Having had several house fires, including one catastrophic arson, I have to agree, the previous poster's question clearly indicates he doesn't know how fire can behave. The strangest thing for me, was seeing the fire spread to another room without actually passing through. The air at the top gets hot enough that the fire can spread in ways you'd never expect. The other thing that was just weird, was the kinds of things that weren't damaged, even though they were in a room that was basically, totally destroyed. Things like paper, and candles, that were more or less intact, but were close to other things like oak furniture that burned to ashes.
Anyway, if the choice is to call 911 from the phone in the burning house, or to exit the house and watch it burn in your rear view mirror as you drive the mile to the nearest neighbor (common enough in the sticks), or as you go door to door in your neighborhood finding that nobody is home... Well, you *still* shouldn't be in the house. This is one reason I keep my cell phone charged and within reach at all times. I've already determined that the 911 service is low-risk on that phone, and when I used it before, I was quickly connected to the police officer as he was en route to the scene of my emergency (burglary), so in case of fire, I'll stay in the house long enough to get my dog out, but not long enough to call 911.
If I had VOIP, I wouldn't even *try* to use it, because my first guess for the place for the fire to have started, would be one of the computers in the room where the broadband router is.
>Yeah that is kinda strange...did the house next door catch on fire too or something?
In the woods, there's a different kind of emergency, where the surrounding forest hasn't YET caught fire, and it takes a hundred firefighters to keep it from spreading.
>Doesn't vonage make sure to state that their service is not meant for emergency or 911 calls?
The problem is, the "service" is a telephone at the endpoint where a person uses it. That person is not necessarily the person to whom Vonage has communicated this disclaimer. It looks like a telephone. The person who dials 911 on that telephone expects it to work, and at that point, it's a matter of life or death that it works, and the service provider does have a responsibility to not put that call on hold, arbitrarily drop the connection, or route it to a call center a thousand miles away.
When Pong was current, it was way out of the price range of anything I could afford. Some relative gave me a *mechanical* pong game (A Sears-branded Marx TV Tennis). I didn't appreciate it much, but now I kind of think that was pretty cool... Ironic that a battery-operated mechanical "Pong" game could have been 1/5 the cost of an Atari console. This was '76. A Super Pong was well over $100, more expensive in '76 dollars than today's consoles.
I remember being taken in by the TV ads for the Odyssey long before Pong, but I never actually saw one.
> Gotcha... well that takes it right out of "Mission Critical" ratings then...
If you say so, but I'm one of those hotheaded liberals who thinks that Constitutional Rights are on the very short list of things worth fighting and dying for... So when something stands between me and the copyright control of my creative works, I do tend to look at it as a life or death issue -- death of the person unfortunate enough to try to abridge my rights that is.
I really do see the copy protection issue in this way. My copyrights are of at least equal importance to the software publishing company's copyrights, and ought to be elevated (since I'm a person, and they are a corporation). So protecting their software (for example) is swinging their fist, but my nose (my own control of my media) is in the way.
The whole copyright/copy protection/distribution argument is usually on the wrong end of the telescope for me -- I'm seeing it all from the point of view of the copyright holder who wants distribution, not from the media corporation who wants protection, or from the consumer who wants to be able to copy and distribute things without regard to the control of others.
It's not a life-or-death matter, but I won't use certain software that requires a dongle, or that is tied to a specific piece of hardware. I'm thinking specifically of software like Cubase. In twenty, or fifty years, I don't want to be locked out of my creative works just because a company is out of business or because a certain machine is not available. If I've preserved a copy of the software and copies of my data (MY responsibility), I want to be able to use it in whatever emulated system is available. Hard crypto on the copy protect system will make that impossible, and ultimately, will abridge my copyrights in order to protect someone else's. I refuse to do business with anyone who plays that game.
I've seen many Asian students benefit enormously from tablet PC's. Languages that are heavy on calligraphy seem to benefit greatly from the tablet model.
Personally, I don't like people typing while someone is talking. To get better notes, I've preferred the discreet minidisc recorder...
> Why does anything that requires DRM going to show up on critical systems?
Sooner or later, someone is going to make a medical device or control system that uses hard crypto to protect its firmware. The device will pass acceptance testing and then fail in the field, maybe where something couldn't be started or shut down due to some cryptographically controlled key that failed.
> I think it has gone waaayyyy past the rated mileage for that wheel.
Who wants to be on the design team for the next one, after the bar has been raised this much? Now the *expectation* will be, not a few months, but a couple of years of duty. And I wonder if the engineers responsible for Spirit and Opportunity got any negative criticism for making inaccurate projections about the duty cycle of their design and implementation? In some offices, it's just as bad to overestimate something like this as it is to underestimate -- perhaps their overdesign had budget impacts that caused other components to suffer...
I really wonder about this, but don't get me wrong -- I think it's one of the most amazing things ever that we have autonomous robots exploring Mars. But after the mission was successful, I'd kind of like to be a fly on the wall in some of the management reviews. After a while the congratulatories stop, and they start talking about the next job. And some management cultures don't respond well to things like deflated expectations, and I understand that NASA is one of those cultures...
"Surely when the Martian winter comes to an end, and the area it's in is flooded with sunlight again, the solar cells could still work, the battery could recharge, and it could wake up?"
No, after it gets too cold for too long, it will fail, according to a bit of an interview with some of the design team.
>This is why I play NetHack rather than World of Warcraft.
I play Nethack because it's the better game, judged subjectively by its ability to immerse me in the gameplay. However, I've learned a few exploits for 3.4.3 that make the late-middle game less dangerous (and therefore boring). I don't have the discipline to play any kind of challenge, so I'm hoping that a couple of certain things get fixed in the next version.
>Why don't you put the powerfull PC in another room, and use a less powerfull (and quiter) one > next to the piano and use VNC.
Way too much latency, and too much a Rube Goldberg for my tastes.
Due to my audio interface, I need about 1.5 meters between the rack with my mixer and the PC. If I could find 10m VGA and USB cables, I could sort of work with that, although it would be annoying.
>Maybe you can use an mac mini?
Way too slow for my application, and while I love my Powerbook, I want a PC for this.
I'm really close to what I need already. It's just that the noise of the Antec Sonata PSU and the Zalman 7000 are loud enough to be distracting and to ruin recordings. Even when I moved the machine into a closet I could hear it in the high freq range.
My application is to use the PC as a soft-synth and recorder, and my musical style is classical piano and flute. If I use a mic with this PC, it shows up on the recording as a very audible wash in the mid-low freqs (the intake on the Sonata, and the 120mm case fan, and the PSU fan) and a whine in the high freqs (the Zalman, and surprisingly, not my disc drive.) I think I should be able to do much better, but I'm tired of buying things that are supposed to be quiet and discovering otherwise.
Good info, thanks. I've been to SPCR many times, but I've always been frustrated, having to wade through endless reviews. I've wanted to just say "my budget is $X, and I want a PC that can run VST synths and effects and record, quiet enough to be in the same room with a condensor mic."
So far, I've got the Antec Sonata, a Zalman 7000, on an ASUS P5P800, a fanless SVGA card (very hard to find those!), Samsung SP drive, and it's pretty good, but it's nowhere near quiet enough to use in the same room when recording classical piano and flute (which is my application). Right now, I think the biggest problem is the PSU on the Sonata, but I can also hear the Zalman fan unless I crank it down too low for the CPU (a 3.0G P4). I can even hear the air going through the intake on the Sonata!
I know I should move the PC out of the room, but in order to do that, I'd need 10m USB and VGA cables, and I'd also have to move my mixer rack away from the piano, which would be extremely awkward. I'm tired of throwing good money after bad in pursuit of a quiet enough music PC. It's frustrating enough that I'm looking into dedicated multitrack recorders even though that means giving up a *lot* of flexibility. I suppose I could move house or remodel my music room or build an enclosure with an isolated heat exchange, but I'd be happiest with just a quiet (not necessarily *silent*) machine.
I suspect that one person's "quiet" might not be another's.
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>I could be wrong, but his spamming and his current indictment seem unrelated.
If he wasn't a known spammer, he'd just be another thug, and wouldn't be of interest to the slashdot crowd.
The GPL does allow the same work to be licensed under different terms.
You didn't post a link to the full text of the contract you signed, and you didn't mention what country you were in at the time. And we only have your side of the story. You don't even mention which FSF OSS projects you created.
It looks like you were under some kind of "work for hire" contract, where you perhaps did not actually have copyrights to transfer in the first place.
It's a tradeoff between storage granularity and potential for speed. If a system can read or write more in a given cycle, that can be exploited for performance. A big sector or cluster size can mean much better performance for some types of data, specifically, A/V media. The sector size on a low level format also dictates the way the firmware is written, and a bigger sector size might mean an order of magnitude more address space for the controller; I wonder if that's becoming some kind of bottleneck for the manufacturers? (I didn't RTFA, it was slashdotted.)
> Uh, FEBRUARY. You couldn't torch that canopy if you gassed it...
You think there aren't winter wildfires?
>Several house fires, one arson, buglary...
First fire was a kitchen fire my dad started in 1976. He was frying something and the oil caught in the pan. Before he could get it out, the fire had spread to the other side of the room, and caught a curtain on fire, and also started burning the pine cupboard over the sink, about two meters away from the stove. My dad put the pan fire out with flour (a lesson I feel grateful to have learned, which I've made use of in the kitchen and in the lab), and he got a bad 3rd degree burn on his hand.
Second fire was arson, in 1996. Someone set fire to the adjacent townhouse and burned down a four-unit, two-story townhouse. Pretty much everything I own has been acquired since then, because I basically lost all my possessions that day -- including a 4000+ record collection and a quite comprehensive collection Marvel comics going back to 1969, among other things. I'm still pretty bummed, but at least I wasn't killed (nobody was injured).
Both those fires were in Dallas Texas. I've also been in forest fires in Texas, Colorado, and Wyoming. (NO, I did not start them.)
The most recent property crime was this past Christmas Eve. Someone busted out the window on my Volvo, and grabbed my coat with my wallet in it. I'd only left it briefly, and I was already going back to get it. The main annoyance of that, was, losing all my cash, my ID, and my ATM card, that it was Christmas Eve and everybody I knew was out of town, so there was no way for me to get cash, which basically meant, I had to spend the whole week eating what I could scrounge from my pantry. That was in Arizona. I've been robbed at gunpoint in Texas, also shot at for no particular reason, also in Texas, and I've been robbed once, I assume at gunpoint but I'm not sure because I didn't care to find out, in California. Oh yeah, and I've been mugged in Atlanta.
I don't think there's any particular place you need to stay away from, you just need to stay away from *me*
There's more to the story. Part of it, left out of the current version, is that when the firefighters and police arrived, they had to chase him through the house to get him to exit (TWICE), and had to restrain him in handcuffs to keep him out. That might have hampered firefighting efforts more than the phone hold time did.
> How'd the guy know it was Vonage putting him on hold and not the call center?
Maybe there was some distinctive message, or some evidence of that nature? Or maybe not. We don't know. We don't even know the story isn't a complete hoax. And if it's not a hoax, we don't know if the delay wasn't between the CO and the 911 call center. Or if the Vonage call perhaps put him through *faster* than a landline at the same location would have done. Honestly, we don't know very much at all. None of the details that I'd want to know if I were on a jury for this case, either between the homeowner and Vonage, or between him and his insurer.
>Um, except that "a ladder in the freeway" is in no way an emergency.
My understanding was, he had to wait on hold before anyone could have decided whether it was an emergency or not.
>Vonage put the call on hold?? Or was it the 911 operator?
The premise of the story is that Vonage did, presumably in the process of routing the call to the localized 911. They have to do some processing, in order to provide localized 911 at all, and they had to be dragged kicking and screaming into compliance.
The discussion board is light on details, and in particular, the questions I'd ask as a juror aren't even approached. Was this a delay between the CO and the 911 call center? How did the route trace at the time of the call, in terms of the customer's broadband connection, and in terms of the voip packets? When was the 911 call initiated? When was it received by Vonage? What are the specific details of the handling of that call, timestamped logs please. If Vonage can't provide that information, as a juror I'd be willing to impose bankrupting fines against the company and recommend criminal prosecutions for the people who knew or should have known that this system could fail.
On the other hand, if the company can demonstrate due diligence, and especially if they can show that the same hold time would have resulted from a landline 911 call terminated at the same CO, then I'd find for the company. Either way, the homeowner has no fault. Any insurance company that tried to dismiss a claim because the homeowner used Vonage for 911, should lose.
I wish I had an option in Firefox to open links not merely in a new window, but in a completely new browser process. I have things I'd like to remain open even if a browser process crashes, and the only way I can do that is by starting another instance of Firefox. It doesn't crash often, but when it does, it can certainly take down a whole lot of open pages. And that can ruin my day.
Having had several house fires, including one catastrophic arson, I have to agree, the previous poster's question clearly indicates he doesn't know how fire can behave. The strangest thing for me, was seeing the fire spread to another room without actually passing through. The air at the top gets hot enough that the fire can spread in ways you'd never expect. The other thing that was just weird, was the kinds of things that weren't damaged, even though they were in a room that was basically, totally destroyed. Things like paper, and candles, that were more or less intact, but were close to other things like oak furniture that burned to ashes.
Anyway, if the choice is to call 911 from the phone in the burning house, or to exit the house and watch it burn in your rear view mirror as you drive the mile to the nearest neighbor (common enough in the sticks), or as you go door to door in your neighborhood finding that nobody is home... Well, you *still* shouldn't be in the house. This is one reason I keep my cell phone charged and within reach at all times. I've already determined that the 911 service is low-risk on that phone, and when I used it before, I was quickly connected to the police officer as he was en route to the scene of my emergency (burglary), so in case of fire, I'll stay in the house long enough to get my dog out, but not long enough to call 911.
If I had VOIP, I wouldn't even *try* to use it, because my first guess for the place for the fire to have started, would be one of the computers in the room where the broadband router is.
>Yeah that is kinda strange...did the house next door catch on fire too or something?
In the woods, there's a different kind of emergency, where the surrounding forest hasn't YET caught fire, and it takes a hundred firefighters to keep it from spreading.
>Doesn't vonage make sure to state that their service is not meant for emergency or 911 calls?
The problem is, the "service" is a telephone at the endpoint where a person uses it. That person is not necessarily the person to whom Vonage has communicated this disclaimer. It looks like a telephone. The person who dials 911 on that telephone expects it to work, and at that point, it's a matter of life or death that it works, and the service provider does have a responsibility to not put that call on hold, arbitrarily drop the connection, or route it to a call center a thousand miles away.
When Pong was current, it was way out of the price range of anything I could afford. Some relative gave me a *mechanical* pong game (A Sears-branded Marx TV Tennis). I didn't appreciate it much, but now I kind of think that was pretty cool... Ironic that a battery-operated mechanical "Pong" game could have been 1/5 the cost of an Atari console. This was '76. A Super Pong was well over $100, more expensive in '76 dollars than today's consoles.
I remember being taken in by the TV ads for the Odyssey long before Pong, but I never actually saw one.
> Gotcha... well that takes it right out of "Mission Critical" ratings then...
If you say so, but I'm one of those hotheaded liberals who thinks that Constitutional Rights are on the very short list of things worth fighting and dying for... So when something stands between me and the copyright control of my creative works, I do tend to look at it as a life or death issue -- death of the person unfortunate enough to try to abridge my rights that is.
I really do see the copy protection issue in this way. My copyrights are of at least equal importance to the software publishing company's copyrights, and ought to be elevated (since I'm a person, and they are a corporation). So protecting their software (for example) is swinging their fist, but my nose (my own control of my media) is in the way.
The whole copyright/copy protection/distribution argument is usually on the wrong end of the telescope for me -- I'm seeing it all from the point of view of the copyright holder who wants distribution, not from the media corporation who wants protection, or from the consumer who wants to be able to copy and distribute things without regard to the control of others.
It's not a life-or-death matter, but I won't use certain software that requires a dongle, or that is tied to a specific piece of hardware. I'm thinking specifically of software like Cubase. In twenty, or fifty years, I don't want to be locked out of my creative works just because a company is out of business or because a certain machine is not available. If I've preserved a copy of the software and copies of my data (MY responsibility), I want to be able to use it in whatever emulated system is available. Hard crypto on the copy protect system will make that impossible, and ultimately, will abridge my copyrights in order to protect someone else's. I refuse to do business with anyone who plays that game.
I've seen many Asian students benefit enormously from tablet PC's. Languages that are heavy on calligraphy seem to benefit greatly from the tablet model.
Personally, I don't like people typing while someone is talking. To get better notes, I've preferred the discreet minidisc recorder...
> Why does anything that requires DRM going to show up on critical systems?
Sooner or later, someone is going to make a medical device or control system that uses hard crypto to protect its firmware. The device will pass acceptance testing and then fail in the field, maybe where something couldn't be started or shut down due to some cryptographically controlled key that failed.
"Are we going to drag our whole government operation down to the level of the least competent person in the organization? "
Yes! In fact, we're going to put that psrson in charge!
"Deaf people don't have any fixable problems with computers unless some idiot decides to make their program depend on sound feedback."
Myst should have come with a warning that the solution depended on audible clues.
> I think it has gone waaayyyy past the rated mileage for that wheel.
Who wants to be on the design team for the next one, after the bar has been raised this much?
Now the *expectation* will be, not a few months, but a couple of years of duty. And I wonder if the engineers responsible for Spirit and Opportunity got any negative criticism for making inaccurate projections about the duty cycle of their design and implementation? In some offices, it's just as bad to overestimate something like this as it is to underestimate -- perhaps their overdesign had budget impacts that caused other components to suffer...
I really wonder about this, but don't get me wrong -- I think it's one of the most amazing things ever that we have autonomous robots exploring Mars. But after the mission was successful, I'd kind of like to be a fly on the wall in some of the management reviews. After a while the congratulatories stop, and they start talking about the next job. And some management cultures don't respond well to things like deflated expectations, and I understand that NASA is one of those cultures...
"Surely when the Martian winter comes to an end, and the area it's in is flooded with sunlight again, the solar cells could still work, the battery could recharge, and it could wake up?"
No, after it gets too cold for too long, it will fail, according to a bit of an interview with some of the design team.
>This is why I play NetHack rather than World of Warcraft.
I play Nethack because it's the better game, judged subjectively by its ability to immerse me in the gameplay. However, I've learned a few exploits for 3.4.3 that make the late-middle game less dangerous (and therefore boring). I don't have the discipline to play any kind of challenge, so I'm hoping that a couple of certain things get fixed in the next version.
>Why don't you put the powerfull PC in another room, and use a less powerfull (and quiter) one
> next to the piano and use VNC.
Way too much latency, and too much a Rube Goldberg for my tastes.
Due to my audio interface, I need about 1.5 meters between the rack with my mixer and the PC. If I could find 10m VGA and USB cables, I could sort of work with that, although it would be annoying.
>Maybe you can use an mac mini?
Way too slow for my application, and while I love my Powerbook, I want a PC for this.
I'm really close to what I need already. It's just that the noise of the Antec Sonata PSU and the Zalman 7000 are loud enough to be distracting and to ruin recordings. Even when I moved the machine into a closet I could hear it in the high freq range.
My application is to use the PC as a soft-synth and recorder, and my musical style is classical piano and flute. If I use a mic with this PC, it shows up on the recording as a very audible wash in the mid-low freqs (the intake on the Sonata, and the 120mm case fan, and the PSU fan) and a whine in the high freqs (the Zalman, and surprisingly, not my disc drive.) I think I should be able to do much better, but I'm tired of buying things that are supposed to be quiet and discovering otherwise.
Good info, thanks. I've been to SPCR many times, but I've always been frustrated, having to wade through endless reviews. I've wanted to just say "my budget is $X, and I want a PC that can run VST synths and effects and record, quiet enough to be in the same room with a condensor mic."
So far, I've got the Antec Sonata, a Zalman 7000, on an ASUS P5P800, a fanless SVGA card (very hard to find those!), Samsung SP drive, and it's pretty good, but it's nowhere near quiet enough to use in the same room when recording classical piano and flute (which is my application). Right now, I think the biggest problem is the PSU on the Sonata, but I can also hear the Zalman fan unless I crank it down too low for the CPU (a 3.0G P4). I can even hear the air going through the intake on the Sonata!
I know I should move the PC out of the room, but in order to do that, I'd need 10m USB and VGA cables, and I'd also have to move my mixer rack away from the piano, which would be extremely awkward. I'm tired of throwing good money after bad in pursuit of a quiet enough music PC. It's frustrating enough that I'm looking into dedicated multitrack recorders even though that means giving up a *lot* of flexibility. I suppose I could move house or remodel my music room or build an enclosure with an isolated heat exchange, but I'd be happiest with just a quiet (not necessarily *silent*) machine.
I suspect that one person's "quiet" might not be another's.