Given that the way we won WWII was by throwing vast numbers of inferior equipment and troops at a nation who was more technologically advanced and had a population that was a small fraction of our own, then yes, I think we will wait this one out. You should actually look at how we won WWII before you spout.
No worries, I don't take it as "raster-bashing" in any way. With regard to enlightenment, I think it's major public failing is the fact that it isn't constantly new. I've used enlightenment for years myself, but I'm always baffled when people say they don't like it due to it not having current releases. As far as window managers go, in my opinion, it hasn't needed an update in years. It's works exactly how it should. And if it's not broke, don't fix it. I think I'm one of three people on the planet that feel this way, but oh well. Raster himself works (or at least used to work) in the embedded systems field. Enlightenment was only his test bed for his image libraries, he released it saying "if you find it useful fine, I don't really care." It was never his "product". However, I have seen many things such as ATM's that are using imlib2 in their code, so I guess as a peer reviewed test bed enlightenment did exactly what he intended.
One thing I do find very odd though is this E17 crap. Less than a year after he stated that the desktop war was over, he starts the E17 desktop project? WTF?
I think the real tragedy will be in the coming years when web based apps and such start to become the norm and people start using things like portable web veiwers or something instead of a big desktop machines (after all, if all my apps are on the web anyway, why would I need a clunky old computer?) and people like those over at OpenOffice see GoogleOffice(or whatever) ripping their install base out from under them. It'll be the old embedded developers saying, "told you so."
Things like this were best summed up by Rasterman (author of enlightenment) when he was asked if he felt linux would be "ready for the desktop". He said something to the effect of, "No, the desktop battle is over, linux didn't win. Don't waste your time trying to fight the desktop battle. Instead, put linux on people's cell phones, their toasters, on their PDAs. The future is in embedded systems. That's where linux can win." He's right. I think IBM understands this too. What things like this article do is, instead of helping a company sell something, they help a developer build something. That developer can then take a working prototype to potential investors without having to go to the trouble of finding parts distributor's and whatnot before testing their idea. They can just buy a PS1 at a junk store and strip it for parts. Once the investors give them an investment, thanks to the help of the working prototype, they can drop the big cash on custom components if need be and even buy in bulk.
So yes, this is a huge help. Developers don't just write office software after all.
Sued? For simple battery? For what? To regain your pride, or to grab cash?
Well, that depends, did you chip the guy's tooth when you hit the guy? Break his nose? Knock out a few teeth? If you did, expect a suit for medical costs. Oh, and if those injuries loss the guy any work, expect some lost wages claims.
Boy, do you ever have no idea how jail works. There are certain understood rules of conduct. For example, if you call somebody a jackass you'd better expect a fist in your face. And no, you will not be "sued and jailed" for doing so.
One of those rules is that DOC employees don't tend lift a finger to help loud mouth hot heads who are getting their ass handed to them by someone bigger and badder than they are. They actually tend to think it's more fun to watch the show then break it up.
It's rather obvious you have no first hand experence with jail time or "simple battery". The charge is called assault by the way, and there are four degrees. 4th degree assault is a misdemeanor and 3rd though 1st are felonies. All four charges land you in county jail for a manditory 72 hour "cool down period" in every state in the union.
I advise you to look into this before you test your violent theories.
Anyone can sue anyone else no matter how stupid it is
Not exactly true, the civil judge examines the suit for grounds and validity, if the civil judge finds that the suit lacks one or both of these it can (and very often is) thrown out/dismissed and the lawyer(s) who filed suit is(are) sactioned for wasting court time.
Too many sanctions, and the lawyer gets disbarred.
"In a few weeks you are going to see me release a piece of software that will not appeal to stupidity, but help to prevent it by encouraging people to do what is best. THAT is what we need in applications."
BRAVO! Your attitude is exactly on the money. I can't wait to see said software.
Exactly.
I've used pine for, wow -- 13 years??, and there is no reason at all I should change.
But these people are confusing groupware with email. My office uses a groupware that's web based which I wrote in php. And, IMHO, it blows Outlook out of the water. Since it's server-side, it runs on all platforms, and with windows active desktop, I even integrated it on to the MS machines desktops.
These folks are on crack.
Actually, what I typed in my post was, "we were the ones who got shot". I didn't say we shot someone.
Well, IT'S A MALL in the USA! This is not some jack-booted thug country where people are expected to see armed guards all over the place. Especially since, and here's where you help make my point, there has been NO TERRORIST ATTACKS IN THIS COUNTRY SINCE 9/11/2001.
Well, that is in fact my point. The fact that no one stopped him means this, that the "terrorists" aren't attacking us has NOTHING to do with our security. This incedent demonstrated that ANYONE could walk into a mall and do this. Better hope those "non-islam hating terrorists" don't read Seattle newspapers. If they do, they'll realise that US civillian security is so bad that CHILDREN can walk into busy shopping districts with ASSAULT WEAPONS ANYTIME THEY FEEL LIKE IT.
You don't seem to get it. That kid COULD have been a terrorist, the security would still have been just as lax. However, for some reason, people like you parrot that the US is secure for some reason. If some terror group hears about this, what's to keep them from getting the idea this could happen anywhere anytime and send out five guys a day to five different malls all over the country?
Still think this country is secure? You probably do. It's sad really. The only reason we are secure is because these people aren't attacking us. If they decided tomorrow to start, we'd be completely fucked over a barrel.
So, what does this mean? It means all those government press releases about "strengthening" our domestic security over the past 3 years is total bovine droppings.
Of course that kid was a terrorist, he caused terror. And "in the eyes of those he shot" is all that matters. After all, "we" were the ones who were "shot" on 9/11, and "we" call "them" terrorist. I'm sure they call themselves freedom fighters or something.
Regardless of how you classify the kid, here is a fact. There was NO security in place to stop him BEFORE he started shooting, if he HAD been an islamic fundimentalist there still would have been blood shed. Once the shooting started, who cares what his ideals, or lack thereof, are? He terrified people, made them run for their lives from gun fire.
"the fact that we have not had a terrorist incident INSIDE the Continental U.S. since 9/11/01."
Did we just decide that the Anthrax attacks of 2002 didn't happen? How about the "shoe bomb"? Or even the attack on mall shoppers that occured on November 20th, 2005 -- FIVE DAYS AGO!?
If you think nothing has happened since 9/11/2001, then you must be blind. I could name many others.
What you might be failing to understand is that most of what are called teen centers are not in fact lan cafes. The machines given to them would be for use by the people who run the place, organisers, planners, fund raising works, treasurer, and so on. Teen centers usually set up and sponser events for teens to attend.
If it's only 55 minutes of music, then they can have a bitrate of 320kbps, which is almost CD-quality.
If you actually think that this statement is true, get to rehab because you are on crack. A bit rate of 320kbps is about 1/2 of cd quality (16bit@44.1kHz which works out to 705.6kbps). And even if it wasn't, it's still compressed regardless of the bitrate.
I wasn't asking if there was something it could do that OpenOffice can't, I asked if there is anything that NO OTHER SOFTWARE can do. What you mention can be done with any database, PostgreSQL for example. Next?
Lots of software can start in under 30 seconds. Please reread my question, which was, what can MSOffice do that no other software can? I didn't mention things like OpenOffice because I don't care about the race between OO and MS. What I want to know is, is there anything it can do that literally NOTHING else can?
Well, since you do have first hand knowledge, why don't you tell us how the proccess does work. Or keep us in the dark, your choice.
However, I must seriously doubt that there are 40,000+ engineers working on the Office 12 UI alone. Do you know exactly how many there are on that part of the project? That would be interesting info to have.
A company in my building is starting to help market these things as they are now being offered to police agencies and the like. They were demonstrating one last week to a group from the local police department and I had the extreme misfortune to be walking through the parking lot at the time (yes, they completely failed to warn or notify ANYONE that a WEAPON was being tested). The "warning tone" they mention is ear spliting and extremely high pitched. The unit they tested was only turned up to about 30% they told me afterwards, but it was so forcefull (by this I mean loud) that I literally was knocked off my feet. Apparently the sales rep saw me and thought it'd be hilarious to aim it at me. My ears didn't stop ringing for hours. The cops thought it was hilarious.
I'm still considering sueing. It'd be like walking down an office building hallway and unexpectedly being hit with a taser, then hearing some guy say, "See, very effective."
Counter-measures I would think after feeling the effect myself, would be nearly impossible.
NT is more difficult to compromise this way due to its convoluted/security-by-obscurity NTFS
Not really, all you need is a WinNT boot floppy with a few utils, none of the data is even encrypted.
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Given that the way we won WWII was by throwing vast numbers of inferior equipment and troops at a nation who was more technologically advanced and had a population that was a small fraction of our own, then yes, I think we will wait this one out. You should actually look at how we won WWII before you spout.
The word you are looking for is fascism.
No worries, I don't take it as "raster-bashing" in any way. With regard to enlightenment, I think it's major public failing is the fact that it isn't constantly new. I've used enlightenment for years myself, but I'm always baffled when people say they don't like it due to it not having current releases. As far as window managers go, in my opinion, it hasn't needed an update in years. It's works exactly how it should. And if it's not broke, don't fix it. I think I'm one of three people on the planet that feel this way, but oh well. Raster himself works (or at least used to work) in the embedded systems field. Enlightenment was only his test bed for his image libraries, he released it saying "if you find it useful fine, I don't really care." It was never his "product". However, I have seen many things such as ATM's that are using imlib2 in their code, so I guess as a peer reviewed test bed enlightenment did exactly what he intended.
One thing I do find very odd though is this E17 crap. Less than a year after he stated that the desktop war was over, he starts the E17 desktop project? WTF?
I think the real tragedy will be in the coming years when web based apps and such start to become the norm and people start using things like portable web veiwers or something instead of a big desktop machines (after all, if all my apps are on the web anyway, why would I need a clunky old computer?) and people like those over at OpenOffice see GoogleOffice(or whatever) ripping their install base out from under them. It'll be the old embedded developers saying, "told you so."
Things like this were best summed up by Rasterman (author of enlightenment) when he was asked if he felt linux would be "ready for the desktop". He said something to the effect of, "No, the desktop battle is over, linux didn't win. Don't waste your time trying to fight the desktop battle. Instead, put linux on people's cell phones, their toasters, on their PDAs. The future is in embedded systems. That's where linux can win." He's right. I think IBM understands this too. What things like this article do is, instead of helping a company sell something, they help a developer build something. That developer can then take a working prototype to potential investors without having to go to the trouble of finding parts distributor's and whatnot before testing their idea. They can just buy a PS1 at a junk store and strip it for parts. Once the investors give them an investment, thanks to the help of the working prototype, they can drop the big cash on custom components if need be and even buy in bulk.
So yes, this is a huge help. Developers don't just write office software after all.
Had you considered that your laws differ from mine? I've a shoe horn if you'd care to remove your foot. That looks mighty uncomfortable in there. ;)
See? Isn't freedom of speech wonderful? You get to make believe you've kicked me in an online forum all you want. Viva La Vida del Libre!
Sued? For simple battery? For what? To regain your pride, or to grab cash?
Well, that depends, did you chip the guy's tooth when you hit the guy? Break his nose? Knock out a few teeth? If you did, expect a suit for medical costs. Oh, and if those injuries loss the guy any work, expect some lost wages claims.
Boy, do you ever have no idea how jail works. There are certain understood rules of conduct. For example, if you call somebody a jackass you'd better expect a fist in your face. And no, you will not be "sued and jailed" for doing so.
One of those rules is that DOC employees don't tend lift a finger to help loud mouth hot heads who are getting their ass handed to them by someone bigger and badder than they are. They actually tend to think it's more fun to watch the show then break it up.
It's rather obvious you have no first hand experence with jail time or "simple battery". The charge is called assault by the way, and there are four degrees. 4th degree assault is a misdemeanor and 3rd though 1st are felonies. All four charges land you in county jail for a manditory 72 hour "cool down period" in every state in the union.
I advise you to look into this before you test your violent theories.
Anyone can sue anyone else no matter how stupid it is
Not exactly true, the civil judge examines the suit for grounds and validity, if the civil judge finds that the suit lacks one or both of these it can (and very often is) thrown out/dismissed and the lawyer(s) who filed suit is(are) sactioned for wasting court time.
Too many sanctions, and the lawyer gets disbarred.
"In a few weeks you are going to see me release a piece of software that will not appeal to stupidity, but help to prevent it by encouraging people to do what is best. THAT is what we need in applications."
BRAVO! Your attitude is exactly on the money. I can't wait to see said software.
Exactly. I've used pine for, wow -- 13 years??, and there is no reason at all I should change. But these people are confusing groupware with email. My office uses a groupware that's web based which I wrote in php. And, IMHO, it blows Outlook out of the water. Since it's server-side, it runs on all platforms, and with windows active desktop, I even integrated it on to the MS machines desktops. These folks are on crack.
Now then, just who is it "we shot" on 9/11?"
Actually, what I typed in my post was, "we were the ones who got shot". I didn't say we shot someone.
Well, IT'S A MALL in the USA! This is not some jack-booted thug country where people are expected to see armed guards all over the place. Especially since, and here's where you help make my point, there has been NO TERRORIST ATTACKS IN THIS COUNTRY SINCE 9/11/2001.
Well, that is in fact my point. The fact that no one stopped him means this, that the "terrorists" aren't attacking us has NOTHING to do with our security. This incedent demonstrated that ANYONE could walk into a mall and do this. Better hope those "non-islam hating terrorists" don't read Seattle newspapers. If they do, they'll realise that US civillian security is so bad that CHILDREN can walk into busy shopping districts with ASSAULT WEAPONS ANYTIME THEY FEEL LIKE IT.
You don't seem to get it. That kid COULD have been a terrorist, the security would still have been just as lax. However, for some reason, people like you parrot that the US is secure for some reason. If some terror group hears about this, what's to keep them from getting the idea this could happen anywhere anytime and send out five guys a day to five different malls all over the country?
Still think this country is secure? You probably do. It's sad really. The only reason we are secure is because these people aren't attacking us. If they decided tomorrow to start, we'd be completely fucked over a barrel.
So, what does this mean? It means all those government press releases about "strengthening" our domestic security over the past 3 years is total bovine droppings.
Of course that kid was a terrorist, he caused terror. And "in the eyes of those he shot" is all that matters. After all, "we" were the ones who were "shot" on 9/11, and "we" call "them" terrorist. I'm sure they call themselves freedom fighters or something.
Regardless of how you classify the kid, here is a fact. There was NO security in place to stop him BEFORE he started shooting, if he HAD been an islamic fundimentalist there still would have been blood shed. Once the shooting started, who cares what his ideals, or lack thereof, are? He terrified people, made them run for their lives from gun fire.
But I guess the apology makes it all better?
"the fact that we have not had a terrorist incident INSIDE the Continental U.S. since 9/11/01."
Did we just decide that the Anthrax attacks of 2002 didn't happen? How about the "shoe bomb"? Or even the attack on mall shoppers that occured on November 20th, 2005 -- FIVE DAYS AGO!?
If you think nothing has happened since 9/11/2001, then you must be blind. I could name many others.
"and the policy to consider Taiwan as a part of China."
Yeah, and Hawaii isn't part of the US either. It IS a province of China you idiot.
What you might be failing to understand is that most of what are called teen centers are not in fact lan cafes. The machines given to them would be for use by the people who run the place, organisers, planners, fund raising works, treasurer, and so on. Teen centers usually set up and sponser events for teens to attend.
If it's only 55 minutes of music, then they can have a bitrate of 320kbps, which is almost CD-quality.
If you actually think that this statement is true, get to rehab because you are on crack. A bit rate of 320kbps is about 1/2 of cd quality (16bit@44.1kHz which works out to 705.6kbps). And even if it wasn't, it's still compressed regardless of the bitrate.
Compressed == Crap
Once again, reread the parent of your original comment in this thread. No, "we" actually weren't.
Please, up the literacy.
I wasn't asking if there was something it could do that OpenOffice can't, I asked if there is anything that NO OTHER SOFTWARE can do. What you mention can be done with any database, PostgreSQL for example. Next?
Lots of software can start in under 30 seconds. Please reread my question, which was, what can MSOffice do that no other software can? I didn't mention things like OpenOffice because I don't care about the race between OO and MS. What I want to know is, is there anything it can do that literally NOTHING else can?
Well, since you do have first hand knowledge, why don't you tell us how the proccess does work. Or keep us in the dark, your choice.
However, I must seriously doubt that there are 40,000+ engineers working on the Office 12 UI alone. Do you know exactly how many there are on that part of the project? That would be interesting info to have.
Name one task that MSOffice can do that no other software can do. I doubt you can.
A company in my building is starting to help market these things as they are now being offered to police agencies and the like. They were demonstrating one last week to a group from the local police department and I had the extreme misfortune to be walking through the parking lot at the time (yes, they completely failed to warn or notify ANYONE that a WEAPON was being tested). The "warning tone" they mention is ear spliting and extremely high pitched. The unit they tested was only turned up to about 30% they told me afterwards, but it was so forcefull (by this I mean loud) that I literally was knocked off my feet. Apparently the sales rep saw me and thought it'd be hilarious to aim it at me. My ears didn't stop ringing for hours. The cops thought it was hilarious. I'm still considering sueing. It'd be like walking down an office building hallway and unexpectedly being hit with a taser, then hearing some guy say, "See, very effective." Counter-measures I would think after feeling the effect myself, would be nearly impossible.
but I really didn't get any enlightenment from using either
Actually, since you can run an Xserver on MacOS X or on a PC that's running linux, you can get enlightenment on *both*.
The chart you linked to seems to show that Apple is completely hosing their competition. Or am I reading that wrong?
NT is more difficult to compromise this way due to its convoluted/security-by-obscurity NTFS Not really, all you need is a WinNT boot floppy with a few utils, none of the data is even encrypted.