This situation may not last (c.f., sudo silliness on fedora), but unless you can do a miracle of social engineering, treachery, and underhandedness and get your badware included in the main repositories as source (which repo maintainers and end users use to build packages), you're not going to get very far in the *nix world.
You said you like to compile your own because of "speed issues." If your speed issues are that sensitive, you don't want Solaris. Solaris on x86 has been known to be a pig for speed in the past. While this has improved in Solaris10, I think you'll find Solaris on x86 to be slightly below par compared to a precompiled Debian kernel for your architecture.
The reasons for running Solaris are not speed related.
> I also like setting compile-time options, applying patches etc. that you can't do with packages
I believe that the whole "locally compiled = better performance" is a load of hogwash since you chew up time compiling, and if you compile in the background, doesn't that affect what's going on in the foreground? This is why some people have a separate "compile machine" for Gentoo. I believe this "wasted" effort and time outweighs whatever potential benefits you get from a local compile.
And someone up there mentioned going from hypothetical versions x.x.3 to x.x.4rc or something, leaving you with the choice of not being arsed to do it and put up with a potential security hole or do another recompile for a minor bugfix.
Your argument for local compilation also assumes that packages go unpatched. That's simply not true. And if you're really impatient or can't find it in the repository, you can build your own packages from source with chkinstall. I have my own little repository called local.debs just for that.
> But there's only one of me so I can't use both.
Sure you can. They're called virtual machines. It's also called multiple boot.
> compiling from source no matter how little performance boost it gives
Still trolled by gentoo -O flag weenies, aren't we?
> using Debian
This is a good choice
> Switch to OpenSolaris
No, just no, not unless you have a specific reason to. As a desktop? They don't call it Slowaris for nothing, y'know.
> Mature ZFS
Well, it is Sun, after all. They did write the bloody thing. But don't forget that ZFS has its own overhead, so if you don't have a use for it, you're wasting your time and your system resources.
> FreeBSD
Why? Not unless you have a specific reason to. You're already running a stable operating system that works on your hardware. Have you looked to see if the drivers you want are available? If it supports your hardware, go for it. If not, why put yourself through hell?
> Corporation vs not-for-profit
Doesn't make any difference, bro, unless you are trying to start a flamewar. It either does what you want or it's crap.
"Note for Americans and other city-dwelling life-forms: The rural British, having eschewed central heating as being far too complicated and in any case weakening moral fiber, prefer a system of piling small pieces of wood and lumps of coal, topped by large, wet logs, possibly made of asbestos, into small, smoldering heaps known as "There's nothing like a roaring open fire is there?" Since none of these ingredients are naturally inclined to burn, underneath all this they apply a rectangular, waxy white lump, which burns cheerfully until the weight of the fire puts it out. These little white blocks are called firelighters. No one knows why." -Terry Pratchett&Neil Gaiman "Good Omens"
Because at Lake Wobegone Software Publishing, all the secretaries are efficient, all the managers intelligent, and all the developers are above average.
No. Google is free, on its own, to index or refuse to index pictures if they so choose. And that's what they did. They moved the index to one that needs to include the term "monkey".
Google isn't the Government. They can do what they want as long as it doesn't violate the law.
"If you were a pakistani who's family got killed by a drone would you see a caricature of Mrs Obama in the same light as a caricature of Mugabe?"
Probably. But at that point I'd also probably be beyond rational thought.
"Under freedom of speech either should be allowed to be expressed."
I didn't say that it shouldn't be expressed. I said that Mugabe deserved it more. You may think this is hair-splitting, but hear me out. I am also allowed to voice my outrage at the attack on Mrs. Obama should I so choose, just like I am allowed to voice my opinion on Mugabe saying that it's "not so bad" because I think he's a murderer. And you are free to disagree. Free speech cuts both ways.
To get back to a point that I mentioned earlier, Google is free (under the idea of free speech) to index or not index items. Freedom of speech is also a freedom not to be compelled to speak. If they decided that not indexing the picture is in their best interest (because of public outrage) then they may remove it from the direct search (you can get it, and many others, if you include the word "monkey" which is a suggested term)
If the White House or the Justice Department came out and told Google to de-index the picture, then I'd have a problem with censorship.
But they didn't. It was Google on its own which removed the picture from the original search results and moved it over to a different search.
But if one deserves it more than the other, then Mugabe certainly fits the bill. He's a non-discriminatory fuckhead. As long as you belong to ZANU-PF, you're OK, but if you belong to MDC or anything else, it doesn't matter what skin color you are. From 1983 onward, Mugabe has been a murderer (see Gukurahundi).
If you belong to the MDC and your name happens to be Morgan, your wife gets assassinated.
Maybe depicting him as a monkey is inappropriate, but that's only because it's not strong enough to symbolize his evil.
Nice putting words in my mouth, Mr. Anonymous Coward.
"Anything is better than being run by colonials" is a red herring and an outrage, used to justify maltreatment of those who don't toe the ZANU-PF party line. Raping and pillaging is still raping and pillaging, whether you're white, black, or polka dotted. If you do not belong to ZANU-PF, then you suffer *worse* than if you were under the colonials. You might wind up being driven off the road and killed outright.
Especially if you're the wife of the opposition leader.
Go ahead, read up on diamond mining in Zimbabwe. Forced labour of children. Fuckin' shades of Pol Pot. Anything is better than colonialism? Fuck you.
Meanwhile Mugabe throws a $250,000USD birthday parties for himself.
So Mugabe needs to be depicted by something worse than just a monkey. A death's head is *almost* enough.
He turned Zimbabwe from a large exporter of food to the rest of southern africa to a net importer. When you make people eat grass so you can line your own pockets and the pockets of your friends and give farms through "land reform" to people who don't know how to farm (train them? hogwash!), you deserve every bit of criticism aimed your way.
In my heart of hearts, I believe Mugabe is guilty of crimes against humanity for what he's done to Zimbabwe.
Michelle Obama on the other hand, does not deserve the same treatment.
Yes, Google is *a* gateway (for some people). But they are also a private company. They can index what they wish. Don't like it? Use another index. You don't own their servers and they are not a branch of government. Use Bing if you want. Nobody's forcing you to type google.com into the address bar.
This is someone's workstation or netbook, not a Vax in 1985 with 120 users on it.
What about computers that are shared among a family? While working in a computer and electronics repair shop, I can't tell you the number of times someone said "Can you figure out what my son did?"
To quote Tom Christiansen again:
"My hunch, and it's only a hunch, is that this is happening because Microsoft and their moronic minions simply cannot for the all the tea in China ever manage to think outside of their quaint but completely fictional little single-user universe."
Installing software is a root function. There's a reason why it's been that way for decades. Allowing ordinary users without some sort of gateway (password in sudo) to install even signed packages is madness. Ignoring the fact that computers are used by more than one person is ignoring reality.
There is a point where "user friendliness" becomes harmful in the long run. This is one of those cases.
No, I don't care that a customer asked for it. Customers are idiots, just like any other user. So what if they pay you? They're still idiots, and it's your professional responsibility to act responsibly, to refuse to go along with their madnesses. The customer is not always right. In fact, they're very often wrong. A physician or a lawyer doesn't do whatever the customer requests, and neither do you. They, meaning the customers or users, simply don't have the background and training;
With most real music (as in not coming out of a sequencer with the highs already filtered out), yes, you can tell if your upper frequency hearing is toasted by too many rock concerts. You can tell most definitely with some specific songs that sound like crap even in the vocal range if it's lossy ("Sad To See the Season Go" by Cowboy Junkies, in particular).
Hi-hats or any other cymbal, bells, glockenspiels, etc., all sound like shit in anything below 256. I can't describe the distortion other than to say it sounds hissy. Go ahead, listen to ANY Police tunes in low bitrate. I defy you to not cringe at how MP3 ruins Stuart Copeland's percussion.
The only music that doesn't suffer badly from mp3's lossy distortion is electronica and its related genres. Erasure sounds just fine at 192.
> So too, now Geocities is dead [as a business], but does that still live in your filter list? It still appears in OpenDNS under several policy categories.
If you filter via OpenDNS, then you get what you deserve.
If you've done *any* metamoderating of OpenDNS website classifications, you will soon decide that poo flinging chimpanzees are more accurate.
Slashdot Mirror
It's not the volume that's lacking.
There is no shortage of doorstops for GNU/Linux. There is also no shortage of web based documentation.
However, there is a crapload of BAD documentation.
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Mod parent up for best literary reference.
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You're not taking into account that cell towers are omnidirectional.
You need 3 towers. If there are two, you could be in either of the two places of equal distance. You need the third tower to take the ambiguity away.
http://www.hacking--thealliance.50megs.com/images/cell_triangulation.gif
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>mindless execution of unverified downloads
There is no cure for stupid on any platform.
People will install purple gorillas and cd-drive-cupholders. This is not new.
But beyond user stupidity, there are reasons why propagation of badware on Linux and Unix sucks, and I suggest that people read Tom's excellent rant here: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3291&cid=1395315
This situation may not last (c.f., sudo silliness on fedora), but unless you can do a miracle of social engineering, treachery, and underhandedness and get your badware included in the main repositories as source (which repo maintainers and end users use to build packages), you're not going to get very far in the *nix world.
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Dan "lyin'" Lyons figures out that companies aren't the warm fuzzy things he thought they were.
Dan also figures out that water is wet.
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Addendum:
Ubuntu 8.04 vs Solaris vs Windows benchmarks.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_workstation_perf&num=1
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> sparc
Solaris on Sparc is nothing to sneeze at.
We're talking x86. A whole different kettle of fish.
> NFS ... and zones are nice.
Like I said earlier, the reasons for running Solaris (over Linux) aren't speed related.
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> Now who's trolling/flambating?
I was over the top, but...
You said you like to compile your own because of "speed issues." If your speed issues are that sensitive, you don't want Solaris. Solaris on x86 has been known to be a pig for speed in the past. While this has improved in Solaris10, I think you'll find Solaris on x86 to be slightly below par compared to a precompiled Debian kernel for your architecture.
The reasons for running Solaris are not speed related.
> I also like setting compile-time options, applying patches etc. that you can't do with packages
I believe that the whole "locally compiled = better performance" is a load of hogwash since you chew up time compiling, and if you compile in the background, doesn't that affect what's going on in the foreground? This is why some people have a separate "compile machine" for Gentoo. I believe this "wasted" effort and time outweighs whatever potential benefits you get from a local compile.
And someone up there mentioned going from hypothetical versions x.x.3 to x.x.4rc or something, leaving you with the choice of not being arsed to do it and put up with a potential security hole or do another recompile for a minor bugfix.
Your argument for local compilation also assumes that packages go unpatched. That's simply not true. And if you're really impatient or can't find it in the repository, you can build your own packages from source with chkinstall. I have my own little repository called local.debs just for that.
> But there's only one of me so I can't use both.
Sure you can. They're called virtual machines. It's also called multiple boot.
Make some space and try 'em out for yourself.
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Goddamnit, is this /g/?
> gentoo, gobo, arch
You have been trolled.
> compiling from source no matter how little performance boost it gives
Still trolled by gentoo -O flag weenies, aren't we?
> using Debian
This is a good choice
> Switch to OpenSolaris
No, just no, not unless you have a specific reason to. As a desktop? They don't call it Slowaris for nothing, y'know.
> Mature ZFS
Well, it is Sun, after all. They did write the bloody thing. But don't forget that ZFS has its own overhead, so if you don't have a use for it, you're wasting your time and your system resources.
> FreeBSD
Why? Not unless you have a specific reason to. You're already running a stable operating system that works on your hardware. Have you looked to see if the drivers you want are available? If it supports your hardware, go for it. If not, why put yourself through hell?
> Corporation vs not-for-profit
Doesn't make any difference, bro, unless you are trying to start a flamewar. It either does what you want or it's crap.
8/10, would rage again.
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"Note for Americans and other city-dwelling life-forms: The rural British, having eschewed central heating as being far too complicated and in any case weakening moral fiber, prefer a system of piling small pieces of wood and lumps of coal, topped by large, wet logs, possibly made of asbestos, into small, smoldering heaps known as "There's nothing like a roaring open fire is there?" Since none of these ingredients are naturally inclined to burn, underneath all this they apply a rectangular, waxy white lump, which burns cheerfully until the weight of the fire puts it out. These little white blocks are called firelighters. No one knows why." -Terry Pratchett&Neil Gaiman "Good Omens"
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Because at Lake Wobegone Software Publishing, all the secretaries are efficient, all the managers intelligent, and all the developers are above average.
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Friended because you made me think.
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No. Google is free, on its own, to index or refuse to index pictures if they so choose. And that's what they did. They moved the index to one that needs to include the term "monkey".
Google isn't the Government. They can do what they want as long as it doesn't violate the law.
You can like it or lump it.
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"If you were a pakistani who's family got killed by a drone would you see a caricature of Mrs Obama in the same light as a caricature of Mugabe?"
Probably. But at that point I'd also probably be beyond rational thought.
"Under freedom of speech either should be allowed to be expressed."
I didn't say that it shouldn't be expressed. I said that Mugabe deserved it more. You may think this is hair-splitting, but hear me out. I am also allowed to voice my outrage at the attack on Mrs. Obama should I so choose, just like I am allowed to voice my opinion on Mugabe saying that it's "not so bad" because I think he's a murderer. And you are free to disagree. Free speech cuts both ways.
To get back to a point that I mentioned earlier, Google is free (under the idea of free speech) to index or not index items. Freedom of speech is also a freedom not to be compelled to speak. If they decided that not indexing the picture is in their best interest (because of public outrage) then they may remove it from the direct search (you can get it, and many others, if you include the word "monkey" which is a suggested term)
If the White House or the Justice Department came out and told Google to de-index the picture, then I'd have a problem with censorship.
But they didn't. It was Google on its own which removed the picture from the original search results and moved it over to a different search.
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I didn't say it wasn't inherently racist.
But if one deserves it more than the other, then Mugabe certainly fits the bill. He's a non-discriminatory fuckhead. As long as you belong to ZANU-PF, you're OK, but if you belong to MDC or anything else, it doesn't matter what skin color you are. From 1983 onward, Mugabe has been a murderer (see Gukurahundi).
If you belong to the MDC and your name happens to be Morgan, your wife gets assassinated.
Maybe depicting him as a monkey is inappropriate, but that's only because it's not strong enough to symbolize his evil.
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BMO
Nice putting words in my mouth, Mr. Anonymous Coward.
"Anything is better than being run by colonials" is a red herring and an outrage, used to justify maltreatment of those who don't toe the ZANU-PF party line. Raping and pillaging is still raping and pillaging, whether you're white, black, or polka dotted. If you do not belong to ZANU-PF, then you suffer *worse* than if you were under the colonials. You might wind up being driven off the road and killed outright.
Especially if you're the wife of the opposition leader.
Go ahead, read up on diamond mining in Zimbabwe. Forced labour of children. Fuckin' shades of Pol Pot. Anything is better than colonialism? Fuck you.
Meanwhile Mugabe throws a $250,000USD birthday parties for himself.
So Mugabe needs to be depicted by something worse than just a monkey. A death's head is *almost* enough.
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Because Robert Mugabe deserves it.
He turned Zimbabwe from a large exporter of food to the rest of southern africa to a net importer. When you make people eat grass so you can line your own pockets and the pockets of your friends and give farms through "land reform" to people who don't know how to farm (train them? hogwash!), you deserve every bit of criticism aimed your way.
In my heart of hearts, I believe Mugabe is guilty of crimes against humanity for what he's done to Zimbabwe.
Michelle Obama on the other hand, does not deserve the same treatment.
Yes, Google is *a* gateway (for some people). But they are also a private company. They can index what they wish. Don't like it? Use another index. You don't own their servers and they are not a branch of government. Use Bing if you want. Nobody's forcing you to type google.com into the address bar.
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Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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This is someone's workstation or netbook, not a Vax in 1985 with 120 users on it.
What about computers that are shared among a family? While working in a computer and electronics repair shop, I can't tell you the number of times someone said "Can you figure out what my son did?"
To quote Tom Christiansen again:
"My hunch, and it's only a hunch, is that this is happening because Microsoft and their moronic minions simply cannot for the all the tea in China ever manage to think outside of their quaint but completely fictional little single-user universe."
Installing software is a root function. There's a reason why it's been that way for decades. Allowing ordinary users without some sort of gateway (password in sudo) to install even signed packages is madness. Ignoring the fact that computers are used by more than one person is ignoring reality.
There is a point where "user friendliness" becomes harmful in the long run. This is one of those cases.
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The best rant against the Windows way of doing things from Tom Christiansen:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3291&cid=1395315
Truer words were never spoken.
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With most real music (as in not coming out of a sequencer with the highs already filtered out), yes, you can tell if your upper frequency hearing is toasted by too many rock concerts. You can tell most definitely with some specific songs that sound like crap even in the vocal range if it's lossy ("Sad To See the Season Go" by Cowboy Junkies, in particular).
Hi-hats or any other cymbal, bells, glockenspiels, etc., all sound like shit in anything below 256. I can't describe the distortion other than to say it sounds hissy. Go ahead, listen to ANY Police tunes in low bitrate. I defy you to not cringe at how MP3 ruins Stuart Copeland's percussion.
The only music that doesn't suffer badly from mp3's lossy distortion is electronica and its related genres. Erasure sounds just fine at 192.
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Before you decide to put yourself on ice, listen to the "This American Life" podcast.
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1291
Right.
Let me decompose into wormfood quietly, please.
...because 90 percent of everything is crap.
> So too, now Geocities is dead [as a business], but does that still live in your filter list? It still appears in OpenDNS under several policy categories.
If you filter via OpenDNS, then you get what you deserve.
If you've done *any* metamoderating of OpenDNS website classifications, you will soon decide that poo flinging chimpanzees are more accurate.
I came, I saw, I ran away screaming.
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Filing Date:
11/19/1998
Yeah.
And when was the "Internet Coke Machine" at CMU?
http://www.livinginternet.com/i/ia_myths_coke.htm
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Guys....
The book 1984 was not meant to be a *manual*
Thanks.