It's right in keeping with the GPL. The GPL doesn't say "you have to give the source to all and sundry." No, they just have to give the source code to those they gave the binaries to, i.e., their paying customers.
The work-around for the community is hinted at here:
"Though MySQL AB will not be distributing the source tarball, Urlocker says that MySQL isn't going to try to stop distribution of Enterprise Server source by others. "If somebody wants to, that's fine. People can distribute it.... "
Getting the source code as a tarball on a public server for everyone is an intellectual exercize for the reader.
I read this as a "We're not going to be hosting for leeches. You want a public server, set your own up"
Dan "Lyin'" Lyons invents stuff all the time. He should stick to fiction and selling it as such, instead of trying to palm it off as somehow related to reality.
"Apparently, scientists don't realize that the construction and maintenance of power plants and power transmission infrastructure has an environmental impact."
Sharpening a stick and running after Bambi has an environmental impact. The construction of factories, power transmission, aluminum smelting and other stuff for the fabrication of my Cannondale bicycle has an environmental impact. Your criticism in this regard is knee-jerk unthinking stupidity. You're like the SUV driving "friends of the environment" on Martha's Vinyard (Ted Kennedy, et al) that are all "save the environment" and "let's get off of oil" until it's in their back yard, citing all sorts of environmental impact from the supposed chopping up of birds to scaring away fish (seriously).
See, the difference between people like you and the people at the Portsmouth Abbey, is that they're actually attempting to do something about our oil dependency. You, however, sit behind your keyboard whinging about how eeeeeevil any kind of activity that raises us above the caveman with a pointy stick and whacking off to hairy-armpit eco-girl porn.^1
"pushed by the server in the same way voice would be"
But what's to stop someone from figuring out a way to stop the ad display on the phone? The silliest way to defeat NetZero's ads was to install a virtual desktop and use any of the other desktops. To NetZero, the ads were sent and "viewed" but not by anyone who used virtual desktops. NetZero eventually caught on, but far too late to make a difference. All it takes is to interrupt the display of the ads on the phone itself and you've got another case similar to NetZero.
People are smarter than companies think they are, and all it takes is one "smart cow."
Oh, just off the top of my head, uses for the first one: computer vision; second one, fluid sensors. And those are just the mundane ones I can pull outta my ass. The third one, UI, but I don't know where. But that's the point of research labs - they're supposed to come up with new stuff that can bring the company to new and more profitable directions, which is where the money's at, because old tech is commodity/low margin.
Whether the company applies all that neat-o stuff and makes money on it is not a fault of the lab, but a fault of management. Case in point: Xerox/PARC. "We're a document company, not a computer company" which meant that _everyone else made a buck but them_. No vision. None. Total Fail.
"Publically held corporations exist to make stockholders money, not to do research "because it's cool." Period."
Under German law, now, even nmap could be considered evil. Tools like this and kismac are mostly used to see if your pants are around your ankles with regards to your network, either home or commercial.
Why should people with home networks not have this tool available? The German law is stupid and makes everyone a victim while not taking the tools out of the hands of people who will use them anyway for nefarious purposes.
I can kill people with a hammer, or I can use it to build things. I choose the latter. Should we outlaw hammers because some people illegaly misuse them?
Actually, once upon a time, Linspire had Microsoft up against the ropes with regards to the Windows trademark, for various reasons. Suddenly Microsoft left Linspire alone and settled with them instead of trying to force them to change their name a second time. The rumor was that Linspire had Microsoft dead with use of the generic term "windows" citing prior use in computers before Windows 1.0. Don't hold me to it, but that's what I seemed to have gathered from following the case peripherally.
Kevin Carmony (President and COO since 2005, after the litigation) seems to have never "got it" with regards to Linux in general anyway. He's a PHB and not nearly as smart as Robertson. So this is not really unexpected.
Maybe what I said was a bit over the top, but he got exactly what he deserved. He was p2p'ing warez on Windows. That's the _only_ reason to run PeerGuardian, and you _don't_ need PeerGuardian if you're doing something legal like torrenting Linux distros. I don't know about you, but running p2p on Windows and bitching about weird connections is like, oh I dunno, deliberately peeing on an electric fence and then complaining that it hurts.
I'm sorry if my lack of empathy strikes you as callous, but...well, my sympathy for stuff like this died a long time ago.
It's goddamn Windows. Even if this was something to get excited about, Windows users get what they deserve, especially if they're p2p'ing warez like the source of this dodgy "article" was doing.
Set up a pristine Vista machine. Put a box inline with it and run Snort. Post the logs in some sort of reasonable format. Then we might have something to talk about. But this? What can I say, besides "bullshit"? The origin of this may as well be ranting about Ceiling Cat.
Just when I think Microsoft can't get any more evil, I run into something like this. \o/
I'm going to cheer on Ballmer and the rest of the crew at Microsoft if they decide to implement this. That, and I want them to turn up the knob to 11 for OGA and WGA. Advertize at the lusers, and make them pay to get it.
The Microsoft employee who thought this up deserves a promotion and a raise in pay.
I'm waiting for them to "monetize the eschaton"
"Crowley had been extremely impressed with the warranties offered by the computer industry, and had in fact sent a bundle Below to the department that drew up the Immortal Soul agreements, with a yellow memo form attached just saying: "Learn, guys."" -- Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman, Good Omens
You'd expect Australia to be in the top 10, but that's because England sent all the criminals there (We got all the religious nuts. I think we got the short end of the stick)
Doublin, arr, that's a toughie to figure out. Someone help me with that one.
The UK will never outlaw any kind of "violent" pr0n because it's likely Brown is into it. Didn't the Brits _invent_ S&M? Heaven forbid they take pictures of it! Even if passed, this will be repealed as soon as the first MP goes to Halifax. Mister MP! What's in YOUR sock drawer?
If you think that pirating XP is "sticking it to the man" you're wrong. Microsoft _depends_ on you doing that, because for every illegitimate copy of Windows installed, it means one less "alternative" installed.
You don't think that WGA will ever become bulletproof, do you? It won't, ever, despite Steve Ballmer's bombastic assertions that it will.
"Although about three million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though. And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade."
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It's right in keeping with the GPL. The GPL doesn't say "you have to give the source to all and sundry." No, they just have to give the source code to those they gave the binaries to, i.e., their paying customers.
The work-around for the community is hinted at here:
"Though MySQL AB will not be distributing the source tarball, Urlocker says that MySQL isn't going to try to stop distribution of Enterprise Server source by others. "If somebody wants to, that's fine. People can distribute it.... "
Getting the source code as a tarball on a public server for everyone is an intellectual exercize for the reader.
I read this as a "We're not going to be hosting for leeches. You want a public server, set your own up"
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Dan "Lyin'" Lyons invents stuff all the time. He should stick to fiction and selling it as such, instead of trying to palm it off as somehow related to reality.
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"I think you misunderstood my comment."
I guess I did...
"My complaint is that scientists always make these kind of hyperbolic statements "
Actually, it's not the scientists that say that, but it's the journalists dumbing down what the scientists say.
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This is late, but...
"If only vegans realized exactly how many rabbits, deer, badgers, skunks, squirrels, beatles"
Uhm...how many Ringos, Pauls, Johns or Georges?
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Any space-faring race that makes it here will be technologically advanced by far.
We're technologically advanced over all the other creatures here on Earth. We eat them.
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"Apparently, scientists don't realize that the construction and maintenance of power plants and power transmission infrastructure has an environmental impact."
Sharpening a stick and running after Bambi has an environmental impact. The construction of factories, power transmission, aluminum smelting and other stuff for the fabrication of my Cannondale bicycle has an environmental impact. Your criticism in this regard is knee-jerk unthinking stupidity. You're like the SUV driving "friends of the environment" on Martha's Vinyard (Ted Kennedy, et al) that are all "save the environment" and "let's get off of oil" until it's in their back yard, citing all sorts of environmental impact from the supposed chopping up of birds to scaring away fish (seriously).
Putting up a wind turbine has an environmental impact. http://www.portsmouthabbey.org/
Picture: http://www.ebecri.org/custom/wind.turbine.html
See, the difference between people like you and the people at the Portsmouth Abbey, is that they're actually attempting to do something about our oil dependency. You, however, sit behind your keyboard whinging about how eeeeeevil any kind of activity that raises us above the caveman with a pointy stick and whacking off to hairy-armpit eco-girl porn.^1
Begone, troll.
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1. is there such a thing?
"If the ad system is completly server side,"
As it was with NetZero...
"pushed by the server in the same way voice would be"
But what's to stop someone from figuring out a way to stop the ad display on the phone? The silliest way to defeat NetZero's ads was to install a virtual desktop and use any of the other desktops. To NetZero, the ads were sent and "viewed" but not by anyone who used virtual desktops. NetZero eventually caught on, but far too late to make a difference. All it takes is to interrupt the display of the ads on the phone itself and you've got another case similar to NetZero.
People are smarter than companies think they are, and all it takes is one "smart cow."
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Seriously, an ad supported phone? How hard would it be to crack and remove the ads? NetZero anyone?
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" Europe is going to ODF?"
Actually, people are going to ODF now because it's an actual ISO standard.
OOXML ain't. If OOXML ever gets ISO cert, then the entire ISO is intellectually bankrupt and can't be trusted with even a screw thread standard.
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Oh, just off the top of my head, uses for the first one: computer vision; second one, fluid sensors. And those are just the mundane ones I can pull outta my ass. The third one, UI, but I don't know where. But that's the point of research labs - they're supposed to come up with new stuff that can bring the company to new and more profitable directions, which is where the money's at, because old tech is commodity/low margin.
= l&q=l&c=msft
Whether the company applies all that neat-o stuff and makes money on it is not a fault of the lab, but a fault of management. Case in point: Xerox/PARC. "We're a document company, not a computer company" which meant that _everyone else made a buck but them_. No vision. None. Total Fail.
"Publically held corporations exist to make stockholders money, not to do research "because it's cool." Period."
Yah, like Microsoft, right?
Cool company versus Microsoft:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AAPL&t=5y&l=off&z
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"It says "may intervene"."
Ray, stop it. I'm trying to foment a gallon of bile and correcting people with facts doesn't help me.
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Someone mod parent funny, please. Or underrated, or something.
Jeez, I was 4 years old. How come I missed that?
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...but only if it's old.
From the fine article:
"The deadline is July 20, 2007"
I'll get right on it then.
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"Is there even a legitimate use for that?"
Under German law, now, even nmap could be considered evil. Tools like this and kismac are mostly used to see if your pants are around your ankles with regards to your network, either home or commercial.
Why should people with home networks not have this tool available? The German law is stupid and makes everyone a victim while not taking the tools out of the hands of people who will use them anyway for nefarious purposes.
I can kill people with a hammer, or I can use it to build things. I choose the latter. Should we outlaw hammers because some people illegaly misuse them?
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"The problem with paper is...it's slow"
Substituting efficiency accuracy and security solves _no_ problems when it comes to democracy.
Instead, it creates problems.
Besides, what the fuck is wrong with scantron style sheets?
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"A reboot is required only when you do a distro upgrade."
No, a reboot is required much more often than a distro upgrade. An example of this would be a kernel security upgrade.
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Actually, once upon a time, Linspire had Microsoft up against the ropes with regards to the Windows trademark, for various reasons. Suddenly Microsoft left Linspire alone and settled with them instead of trying to force them to change their name a second time. The rumor was that Linspire had Microsoft dead with use of the generic term "windows" citing prior use in computers before Windows 1.0. Don't hold me to it, but that's what I seemed to have gathered from following the case peripherally.
Kevin Carmony (President and COO since 2005, after the litigation) seems to have never "got it" with regards to Linux in general anyway. He's a PHB and not nearly as smart as Robertson. So this is not really unexpected.
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"A couple of law professors are not representatives of the school."
No, but one of those professors at Harvard is former Governor of Massachussetts William Weld(R).
Can you say "we better not piss off the politicians and people with strong connections"?
I knew you could.
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Did you RTFA?
Maybe what I said was a bit over the top, but he got exactly what he deserved. He was p2p'ing warez on Windows. That's the _only_ reason to run PeerGuardian, and you _don't_ need PeerGuardian if you're doing something legal like torrenting Linux distros. I don't know about you, but running p2p on Windows and bitching about weird connections is like, oh I dunno, deliberately peeing on an electric fence and then complaining that it hurts.
I'm sorry if my lack of empathy strikes you as callous, but...well, my sympathy for stuff like this died a long time ago.
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It's goddamn Windows. Even if this was something to get excited about, Windows users get what they deserve, especially if they're p2p'ing warez like the source of this dodgy "article" was doing.
Set up a pristine Vista machine. Put a box inline with it and run Snort. Post the logs in some sort of reasonable format. Then we might have something to talk about. But this? What can I say, besides "bullshit"? The origin of this may as well be ranting about Ceiling Cat.
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"Fdisk it from orbit - it's the only way to be sure."
s /secmgmt/sm0504.mspx
Even Microsoft agrees with you. You can't "clean" a compromized machine.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/column
That goes for other OSes too.
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Just when I think Microsoft can't get any more evil, I run into something like this. \o/
I'm going to cheer on Ballmer and the rest of the crew at Microsoft if they decide to implement this. That, and I want them to turn up the knob to 11 for OGA and WGA. Advertize at the lusers, and make them pay to get it.
The Microsoft employee who thought this up deserves a promotion and a raise in pay.
I'm waiting for them to "monetize the eschaton"
"Crowley had been extremely impressed with the warranties offered by the computer industry, and had in fact sent a bundle Below to the department that drew up the Immortal Soul agreements, with a yellow memo form attached just saying: "Learn, guys.""
-- Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman, Good Omens
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Look at the stats!
l &date=all
Milton Keynes, Sheffield, and Birmin'am are the top three cities worldwide!
http://www.google.com/trends?q=porn&ctab=0&geo=al
1. Milton Keynes, United Kingdom
2. Sheffield, United Kingdom
3. Birmingham, United Kingdom
4. Edinburgh, United Kingdom
5. Manchester, United Kingdom
6. Thames Ditton, United Kingdom
7. Dublin, Ireland
8. Melbourne, Australia
9. Auckland, New Zealand
10. Sydney, Australia
You'd expect Australia to be in the top 10, but that's because England sent all the criminals there (We got all the religious nuts. I think we got the short end of the stick)
Doublin, arr, that's a toughie to figure out. Someone help me with that one.
The UK will never outlaw any kind of "violent" pr0n because it's likely Brown is into it. Didn't the Brits _invent_ S&M? Heaven forbid they take pictures of it! Even if passed, this will be repealed as soon as the first MP goes to Halifax. Mister MP! What's in YOUR sock drawer?
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"Or, better yet, martial arts?"
If you teach them Tae Kwan Leep, they can give BillG and StevieB a boot to the head.
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"I never payed for my XP software"
Lord Vader (er, Ballmer) sends you his regards.
If you think that pirating XP is "sticking it to the man" you're wrong. Microsoft _depends_ on you doing that, because for every illegitimate copy of Windows installed, it means one less "alternative" installed.
You don't think that WGA will ever become bulletproof, do you? It won't, ever, despite Steve Ballmer's bombastic assertions that it will.
"Although about three million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though. And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade."
Bill Gates - about 9 years ago.
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