How many news organizations report false stories? Here's a hint; ALL OF THEM. It happens. We are human. It's USUALLY a mistake
False equivalence is false and you are delusional and you have fallen for their trap that "everyone lies, so trust us, we don't lie" crap, when it's been proven in court that they lie.
I don't know what to tell you man.
but a local Fox affiliate.
But then Fox Corporate came out and trumpeted this as a big win.
I would suggest it all started with Al Gore and Global Warming
You would be wrong and not only that, but without a sense of history at all. I can just point out Senator William Proxmire's (D, btw) "golden fleece award" given to the Aspen Movie Map with regards to "hurr, we don't understand the tech so we must be getting scammed" to Sarah Palin's bitching about silly "fruit fly experiments...hurr, we don't need those" - which comes from a long line of idiots decrying basic science, because their minds are *that* blinkered.
Never mind that the fruit fly experiments are all about genetics because fruit flies have lifespans of... fruit flies so it makes heritability easier to study. Never mind the fact that the Aspen Movie Map was groundbreaking and you can now look back at it and say "Gee, I wonder where Google got their idea for Street View." But no, you don't hear about that. You hear on Fox that fruit fly studies are just wasting taxpayer money. Because Sarah Palin said so. Because she's such an expert in genetics. *spit*
Then the whole Climategate thing that showed the primary movers of AGW to be complete jerks and thoroughly unlikeable people.
So? It was found to be nothing more than egos. The science itself wasn't discredited, and has only strengthened since then. And I have voiced my opinions here about how badly I thought that it was being handled and my own strong skepticism about AGW in previous years. But you know what, I have recently (as in the past couple of years) found that the anti-AGW crowd to be increasingly full of *real* integrity problems and conflicts of interest.
Back to basic science:
Here's a clue for you and your buddies: You don't get applied science and engineering and fancy new products without basic science.
Fox is the only "news" organization, ever, that went to court in the US to prove that they don't have to report news.
You are a complete and utter moron if you give whatever they say any credibility at all. This is not ad hominem. This is their own claim that whatever they report does not have to be based on any facts at all. None. Zero. Nada. They can make shit up out of whole cloth if they want. They have a Ruling saying they can.
'Nothing will corrode public trust more than a creeping awareness that scientists are unable to live up to the standards that they have set for themselves,' he adds.
No, the corrosion of public trust is the incessant idiocy coming from Fox and other Murdoch properties exclaiming "oh those silly scientists got it wrong again!" when the story is about a refinement of a model or something.
Scientists are losing the credibility war because scientists are not PR flacks and are unable to counteract the "we don't have to report actual news, we got a court order saying we don't" assholes at Fox.
There is a concerted effort to discredit scientific research no matter what it is.
We are arguing over mouldy bread and bad wine just before the French Revolution.
A friend's reaction was:
In short: contempt for rule of law and fair dealing is embedded like rebar in concrete with BigBanks. It's institutionalized sociopathy, starting at the very top. I cannot think of one exception, but I will be happy to entertain suggestions for the BigBanker Teddy Bear Award.
Grow up, you thumb sucking, diaper wearing 20 year old over-privileged snots. It's a fucking business, not a social networking site or a video game. Your motivation is to do the job and get paid.
This is nothing but whining BS on your part.
See my post further up the thread for *one* example of how it can work.
Every day without a return was a dollar. After the first month, it was 2 dollars. After the second month, it was 3 dollars/day.
The owner of the company would come around and give cash out of his pocket at the end of each month.
It wasn't a lot of money. It was gas money. But it was goal oriented and people liked it.
When I was apprenticing there, we got almost to the end of the third month and we got a return. A company had a new receiver and rejected a batch of hobbed gears because he didn't like the finish, because hobbing a gear leaves a scalloped effect that is apparent under decent lighting. It has nothing to do with the overall quality of the gear. He just didn't like the shine.
Some of us were... unhappy. We were literally 3 business days from the end of the month.
We glass beaded the gears (in our opinion, ruining the finish) and sent them back and they got accepted.
Making a game out of the quality of the product changed people's attitudes.
As pointed out earlier, here in the US, they don't even have to give you a reason at customs and immigration. With no notice. They just refuse and send you back.
Here, he was notified even before getting on a plane, with a reason. I think that is fair.
This is not the first time someone has been prevented from entering a country. While the US refuses people all the time, we're supposed to get indignant that this person is refused entry to GB?
I'm sure the mental train wreck in some peoples' minds regarding this is epic.
He was right, though, and he was one of the few among the masses that recognized that if you control the language, you control the debate, which on a meta level, is why the 7 dirty words routine is one of his most important.
A lot of people thought of him as merely vulgar. But that meant they fell for the trap of language as a form of control. In this way, he could be compared to Orwell.
I have wondered why the focus on commercial passenger traffic
The army always fights the last war. The Polish had their cavalry. The French had their Maginot Line. 'Tis always thus.
A terrorist with even a tiny bit of creativity would do something in a shopping mall on Black Friday
Or, if we're going to stay within the idea of air transport, the long lines at Security.
Others have mentioned trains and buses.
It's harder to fly a bus or train into a building. That said, subways have been targets before. The problem with introducing security checkpoints at subway tunnels, you just move the chokepoint a few feet away and you don't really do anything practical, which is why I consider VIPR teams a waste of time and money.
Let's not forget that recently the space shuttles were flown at low altitudes around NY and DC at announced times and (from what I understand) pretty well publicized flight paths
When the Shuttle was flying over New England or DC during launch, it was already too high and too fast for even the fastest Russian made SAM. I mean the big ones like the S400, not the little shoulder fired ones. This particular scenario is a bad "24" plot line.
I am not worthy of such comparison. Not at all. George was miles more quick than I am. While he would have seen through the bullshit with the whole "underpants bomb is sophisticated" nonsense, he would have use funnier and more picturesque language that I have here. According to him, the best way to comedy is to take something normal and look at it from a 45 degree angle. I can only come up to 10 degrees.
What I posted was a gross approximation and George is still dead.
... along the lines of "if they did this avatar thing from the beginning the TSA maybe would have only earned half the animosity they deserve" and go on about how sometimes focus groups actually work that might bring out, you know, glaring errors in design.
But you know what? That doesn't fucking matter. What matters is that the American Public is crisis fatigued out. I am crisis fatigued. I turned on the news yesterday to find out that we discovered another underwear bomber and that the design was "sophisticated" and a dog and pony show was trotted out on the Today show by the fucking CIA.
I want you, every one of you, to ask yourselves, when was the last time the CIA did intelligence press releases? It's like science by press release - you get bogus shit like cold fusion because what it's really about is someone trying to stoke his budget.
And that's what it's all about. It's just corporate welfare and agency empire building, marketed through fear. On a societal level I can't think of anything more evil except waging war through bogus excuses all the way from the Gulf of Tonkin to GWB's "weapons of mass destruction" bullshit.
And we're going to shovel good money after bad because so many honest, hard working people are just trying to get through life without increasing the rage factor and generating more heart disease worrying about shit like this.
Jeg opgiv.
I am so disheartened.
-- BMO
Postscript:
About sophistication:
The fucking Soviet Union of the 1980s could launch nuclear tipped missiles and have them explode over a US city with an accuracy of a couple of feet and this was entirely credible. Comparing the war on terror enemies to the enemy of the Cold War, I do not find any fucking sophistication. Yesterday's announcement of more underwear bombs paired with the word "sophisticated" made me want to scream. What an abuse of language. What fucking Newspeak. What fucking doublethink.
If you ever change your mind about wheel building:
In the wheel book by Jobst Brandt, he gives good instructions in how to lace up a wheel. Once you've done it his way, you can lace a wheel in 15 minutes before tweaking in the stand (which is where all the work is).
Also, I have learned from old man Stedman in Wakefield RI (dunno if he's still alive, he was in his 90s 15 years ago, riding his single-speed).
You always hear about not having enough tension in the spokes from various sources. Most of these are overzealous.
Stedman taught me that too much tension will make the wheel unstable, and the reaction of most people while truing is to tighten the opposing spokes more and not letting off enough on the tight side, leading to a progressively unstable wheel. I've taken this advice and it works. A hand built wheel by me doesn't need truing for an entire season sometimes.
BTW, i read that Jobst had a bad crash and broke his femur last year and he really hasn't come back.:-(
Sheldon's page is a wealth of information. - sheldonbrown.com
-- BMO - WWSD? (What would Sheldon do?) (in Firefox, this is squigglylined as a misspelling. When i right clicked on it, it suggested wisdom as a replacement. Indeed, Firefox, indeed.)
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How many news organizations report false stories? Here's a hint; ALL OF THEM. It happens. We are human. It's USUALLY a mistake
False equivalence is false and you are delusional and you have fallen for their trap that "everyone lies, so trust us, we don't lie" crap, when it's been proven in court that they lie.
I don't know what to tell you man.
but a local Fox affiliate.
But then Fox Corporate came out and trumpeted this as a big win.
So much for distancing themselves from lies.
--
BMO
I would suggest it all started with Al Gore and Global Warming
You would be wrong and not only that, but without a sense of history at all. I can just point out Senator William Proxmire's (D, btw) "golden fleece award" given to the Aspen Movie Map with regards to "hurr, we don't understand the tech so we must be getting scammed" to Sarah Palin's bitching about silly "fruit fly experiments...hurr, we don't need those" - which comes from a long line of idiots decrying basic science, because their minds are *that* blinkered.
Never mind that the fruit fly experiments are all about genetics because fruit flies have lifespans of ... fruit flies so it makes heritability easier to study. Never mind the fact that the Aspen Movie Map was groundbreaking and you can now look back at it and say "Gee, I wonder where Google got their idea for Street View." But no, you don't hear about that. You hear on Fox that fruit fly studies are just wasting taxpayer money. Because Sarah Palin said so. Because she's such an expert in genetics. *spit*
Then the whole Climategate thing that showed the primary movers of AGW to be complete jerks and thoroughly unlikeable people.
So? It was found to be nothing more than egos. The science itself wasn't discredited, and has only strengthened since then. And I have voiced my opinions here about how badly I thought that it was being handled and my own strong skepticism about AGW in previous years. But you know what, I have recently (as in the past couple of years) found that the anti-AGW crowd to be increasingly full of *real* integrity problems and conflicts of interest.
Back to basic science:
Here's a clue for you and your buddies: You don't get applied science and engineering and fancy new products without basic science.
--
BMO
You should thank God that FoxNews exists
Fox is the only "news" organization, ever, that went to court in the US to prove that they don't have to report news.
You are a complete and utter moron if you give whatever they say any credibility at all. This is not ad hominem. This is their own claim that whatever they report does not have to be based on any facts at all. None. Zero. Nada. They can make shit up out of whole cloth if they want. They have a Ruling saying they can.
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BMO
You mean like the anti-vaxers?
Two years ago last February, the Lancet retracted "Doctor" Wakefield's "study" and you still see this shit.
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BMO
No. Fuck you. Filter me and shut the fuck up.
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BMO
'Nothing will corrode public trust more than a creeping awareness that scientists are unable to live up to the standards that they have set for themselves,' he adds.
No, the corrosion of public trust is the incessant idiocy coming from Fox and other Murdoch properties exclaiming "oh those silly scientists got it wrong again!" when the story is about a refinement of a model or something.
Scientists are losing the credibility war because scientists are not PR flacks and are unable to counteract the "we don't have to report actual news, we got a court order saying we don't" assholes at Fox.
There is a concerted effort to discredit scientific research no matter what it is.
--
BMO
Well, if you're going to put it that way, then yeah, I'll agree with you, with the addendum "only little people get caught"
http://bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-12/dimon-vows-fight-moynihan-lost-over-claims-from-mortgages.html
What my reaction was:
We are arguing over mouldy bread and bad wine just before the French Revolution.
A friend's reaction was:
In short: contempt for rule of law and fair dealing is embedded like rebar in concrete with BigBanks. It's institutionalized sociopathy, starting at the very top. I cannot think of one exception, but I will be happy to entertain suggestions for the BigBanker Teddy Bear Award.
--
BMO
Grow up, you thumb sucking, diaper wearing 20 year old over-privileged snots. It's a fucking business, not a social networking site or a video game. Your motivation is to do the job and get paid.
This is nothing but whining BS on your part.
See my post further up the thread for *one* example of how it can work.
--
BMO
There was a quality bonus.
Every day without a return was a dollar. After the first month, it was 2 dollars. After the second month, it was 3 dollars/day.
The owner of the company would come around and give cash out of his pocket at the end of each month.
It wasn't a lot of money. It was gas money. But it was goal oriented and people liked it.
When I was apprenticing there, we got almost to the end of the third month and we got a return. A company had a new receiver and rejected a batch of hobbed gears because he didn't like the finish, because hobbing a gear leaves a scalloped effect that is apparent under decent lighting. It has nothing to do with the overall quality of the gear. He just didn't like the shine.
Some of us were... unhappy. We were literally 3 business days from the end of the month.
We glass beaded the gears (in our opinion, ruining the finish) and sent them back and they got accepted.
Making a game out of the quality of the product changed people's attitudes.
--
BMO
"Welcome to America!"
So conspiracy to fraud and fraud are not crimes outside of America? Your sneering remark, you may want to look at it again.
--
BMO
You signed a form saying that you would actually review and give criticism.
Demonstrate you deserve the $500 and that you read the book or be arrested for attempted fraud.
--
BMO
But it's not eye-for-an-eye
As pointed out earlier, here in the US, they don't even have to give you a reason at customs and immigration. With no notice. They just refuse and send you back.
Here, he was notified even before getting on a plane, with a reason. I think that is fair.
--
BMO
This is not the first time someone has been prevented from entering a country. While the US refuses people all the time, we're supposed to get indignant that this person is refused entry to GB?
I'm sure the mental train wreck in some peoples' minds regarding this is epic.
However, this is not news.
--
BMO
Follow up
I read what I wrote in Carlin's voice and if I try really hard, I probably could come up with a faux Carlin rant, but it wouldn't be the same.
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BMO
He was right, though, and he was one of the few among the masses that recognized that if you control the language, you control the debate, which on a meta level, is why the 7 dirty words routine is one of his most important.
A lot of people thought of him as merely vulgar. But that meant they fell for the trap of language as a form of control. In this way, he could be compared to Orwell.
Someone should write a paper on this.
--
BMO
I have wondered why the focus on commercial passenger traffic
The army always fights the last war. The Polish had their cavalry. The French had their Maginot Line. 'Tis always thus.
A terrorist with even a tiny bit of creativity would do something in a shopping mall on Black Friday
Or, if we're going to stay within the idea of air transport, the long lines at Security.
Others have mentioned trains and buses.
It's harder to fly a bus or train into a building. That said, subways have been targets before. The problem with introducing security checkpoints at subway tunnels, you just move the chokepoint a few feet away and you don't really do anything practical, which is why I consider VIPR teams a waste of time and money.
Let's not forget that recently the space shuttles were flown at low altitudes around NY and DC at announced times and (from what I understand) pretty well publicized flight paths
When the Shuttle was flying over New England or DC during launch, it was already too high and too fast for even the fastest Russian made SAM. I mean the big ones like the S400, not the little shoulder fired ones. This particular scenario is a bad "24" plot line.
--
BMO
but wait...
The state is going to resort to fear regardless of whether it has religion under its wing. The powers are not mutually exclusive.
When the state and religion are the same, the state has both powers
When the state doesn't have religion, it has half the power of the previous statement.
I'm not sure what you're getting at.
A problem for whom?
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BMO
What did you just do?
Did you just compare me to George Carlin?
I am not worthy of such comparison. Not at all. George was miles more quick than I am. While he would have seen through the bullshit with the whole "underpants bomb is sophisticated" nonsense, he would have use funnier and more picturesque language that I have here. According to him, the best way to comedy is to take something normal and look at it from a 45 degree angle. I can only come up to 10 degrees.
What I posted was a gross approximation and George is still dead.
Not. Worthy.
--
BMO
I don't see the separation of church and state as a problem.
If you want religion in your state, be prepared for the state being in your religion.
Be careful what you wish for.
--
BMO
... along the lines of "if they did this avatar thing from the beginning the TSA maybe would have only earned half the animosity they deserve" and go on about how sometimes focus groups actually work that might bring out, you know, glaring errors in design.
But you know what? That doesn't fucking matter. What matters is that the American Public is crisis fatigued out. I am crisis fatigued. I turned on the news yesterday to find out that we discovered another underwear bomber and that the design was "sophisticated" and a dog and pony show was trotted out on the Today show by the fucking CIA.
I want you, every one of you, to ask yourselves, when was the last time the CIA did intelligence press releases? It's like science by press release - you get bogus shit like cold fusion because what it's really about is someone trying to stoke his budget.
And that's what it's all about. It's just corporate welfare and agency empire building, marketed through fear. On a societal level I can't think of anything more evil except waging war through bogus excuses all the way from the Gulf of Tonkin to GWB's "weapons of mass destruction" bullshit.
And we're going to shovel good money after bad because so many honest, hard working people are just trying to get through life without increasing the rage factor and generating more heart disease worrying about shit like this.
Jeg opgiv.
I am so disheartened.
--
BMO
Postscript:
About sophistication:
The fucking Soviet Union of the 1980s could launch nuclear tipped missiles and have them explode over a US city with an accuracy of a couple of feet and this was entirely credible. Comparing the war on terror enemies to the enemy of the Cold War, I do not find any fucking sophistication. Yesterday's announcement of more underwear bombs paired with the word "sophisticated" made me want to scream. What an abuse of language. What fucking Newspeak. What fucking doublethink.
"Tinkle Down Economics" - Archie Bunker
--
BMO
If you ever change your mind about wheel building:
In the wheel book by Jobst Brandt, he gives good instructions in how to lace up a wheel. Once you've done it his way, you can lace a wheel in 15 minutes before tweaking in the stand (which is where all the work is).
Also, I have learned from old man Stedman in Wakefield RI (dunno if he's still alive, he was in his 90s 15 years ago, riding his single-speed).
You always hear about not having enough tension in the spokes from various sources. Most of these are overzealous.
Stedman taught me that too much tension will make the wheel unstable, and the reaction of most people while truing is to tighten the opposing spokes more and not letting off enough on the tight side, leading to a progressively unstable wheel. I've taken this advice and it works. A hand built wheel by me doesn't need truing for an entire season sometimes.
BTW, i read that Jobst had a bad crash and broke his femur last year and he really hasn't come back. :-(
Then there is Sheldon's page on wheelbuilding.
http://sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html
Sheldon's page is a wealth of information. - sheldonbrown.com
--
BMO - WWSD? (What would Sheldon do?) (in Firefox, this is squigglylined as a misspelling. When i right clicked on it, it suggested wisdom as a replacement. Indeed, Firefox, indeed.)
I suggest you're correct!
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BMO
Ah dammit, i meant to say LGPL
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/license/
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BMO
LibreOffice isn't GPL
It's GPL. There's a huge difference.
I suggest you read it.
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BMO