You just said two things that you obviously intended to be mutually exclusive, but they are definetly not. Maybe it's a crappy product because apple sabotaged it.
Apple, in general, has a history of doing nasty shit like that: IIRC the Apple II (?) you could upgrade the RAM yourself for like 40$ or pay apple 400$ to do it, so many people went this route. Apple then decided not to furnish BIOS upgrades (bug fixes) to the people it had discovered had done the upgrades themselves.
I'm saying that if we compromise and allow closed source drivers, we'll have problems that we don't have as long as we do not comprise and do not allow binary drivers.
(No, I'm not saying linux "disallows" binary drivers; I'm saying that they are currently not supported nor encouraged - people (nvidia) can still make them. That does not mean that it's a good idea.)
Right, but suppose that the CD did contain a binary driver for linux, and was as easy to install as it is on windows.
Next, suppose that the driver is a piece of shit that causes the system to crash every five minutes. After a bit of this, Jim Bob is gonna say "Linux sucks! it crashes all the time!"
Once again, a troll attempting to assert that all slashdot users are the same person and we all have the same goals.
I did not anywhere say that I think linux should work with $RANDOM_HARDWARE, nor did I say that it should be installed on everyones desktop, or that it's ready for the desktop, or that it should ever even be used on the desktop.
So, instead of attempting to troll with a straw man argument and all your assumptions, how about you respond to my _actual_ comment?
It isn't just an issue of ABI compability - it's also the fact that no one but that company can then _fix_ the bugs in that driver.
What happens when the company goes belly up in $x months, then a serious flaw is discovered in the binary driver? Whoops, guess you're just SOL. With an open source driver, you can _FIX_ the problem.
With a binary driver, you're at the whim of the company.
No, because we'd (at best!) get the same crap drivers that windows gets. Childish crap spewed out by the lowest bidder, and it destablizes the entire system. Not to mention that no open source coder can _fix_ the damn thing then.
Look at nvidias drivers on linux! Always well behind other drivers, and filled with bugs because we have to wait for nvidia to get off thier asses and fix the damn thing.
What happens in 10 years when you're trying to use that binary driver to recover data from an ancient device? If it was an open source driver, you could fix it to work with your system; binary, you're going to have a lot more work to do.
Well, I guess once we get you to come back, we can all rest easy that linux will then take over the world?
The real problem is not drivers; the real problem is you buying random hardware and just hoping it will work. When it doesn't, you bitch and moan that "linux sucks!!111"
(Not _you_ specifically, but I see so much of this kind of bullshit. "I can't get it to work, so it sucks!!1". Annoying.)
PS. I've gotten the last three laptops I've purchased (from gateway) bleeding edge new machines in thier time - to work perfectly. All it takes is to stop whining and actually _try_ to make it work.
It's a bad idea because what happens when the driver ABI changes? You have to wait umpteen months for the company to get off thier asses and fix it - like nVidia.
It also precludes anyone else from fixing bugs in the broken, half assed crap most corporates spit out these days.
I wouldn't say greed has reared up - the greed has _always_ been there. This prick (Frank) has always been making money from everyone elses work; now that the site needs to be moved to a different host, the guy is just plain too fucking lazy to do it, and too controlling to let anyone else do it.
IMO, something new needs to be started from scratch, without Frank being involved AT ALL.
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You say these things, but you give like minded individuals no way to contact you.
Saayyyyy, you're the kind of person that would stay in a burning house to see what colors the flames are, aren't you?
That's an entirely new realm of slow.
The internet is international. Slashdot is not. I refer you to the FAQ: http://slashdot.org/faq/editorial.shtml#ed850.
"Human being behaving crookedly, story at 11."
What's the big deal? There have always been and always will be liars, cheats, and thieves among humans.
Maybe you should start bathing before interviews?
RETROCODER WRITES SPYWARE!!
There, come sue me now you silly fucks.
Dude, what the fuck are you smoking and where can I get some?
This from "caffeinemessiah (918089)".. You stooge.
Dude, what the fuck are you smoking? The song format is not proprietary. It's standard MP4 (or MP3, or FLAC, your choice).
"While I think it's true, it might be true."
You just said two things that you obviously intended to be mutually exclusive, but they are definetly not. Maybe it's a crappy product because apple sabotaged it.
Apple, in general, has a history of doing nasty shit like that: IIRC the Apple II (?) you could upgrade the RAM yourself for like 40$ or pay apple 400$ to do it, so many people went this route. Apple then decided not to furnish BIOS upgrades (bug fixes) to the people it had discovered had done the upgrades themselves.
I'm saying that if we compromise and allow closed source drivers, we'll have problems that we don't have as long as we do not comprise and do not allow binary drivers. (No, I'm not saying linux "disallows" binary drivers; I'm saying that they are currently not supported nor encouraged - people (nvidia) can still make them. That does not mean that it's a good idea.)
good point.
Right, but suppose that the CD did contain a binary driver for linux, and was as easy to install as it is on windows.
Next, suppose that the driver is a piece of shit that causes the system to crash every five minutes. After a bit of this, Jim Bob is gonna say "Linux sucks! it crashes all the time!"
I did not anywhere say that I think linux should work with $RANDOM_HARDWARE, nor did I say that it should be installed on everyones desktop, or that it's ready for the desktop, or that it should ever even be used on the desktop.
So, instead of attempting to troll with a straw man argument and all your assumptions, how about you respond to my _actual_ comment?
It isn't just an issue of ABI compability - it's also the fact that no one but that company can then _fix_ the bugs in that driver.
What happens when the company goes belly up in $x months, then a serious flaw is discovered in the binary driver? Whoops, guess you're just SOL. With an open source driver, you can _FIX_ the problem.
With a binary driver, you're at the whim of the company.
No, because we'd (at best!) get the same crap drivers that windows gets. Childish crap spewed out by the lowest bidder, and it destablizes the entire system. Not to mention that no open source coder can _fix_ the damn thing then.
Look at nvidias drivers on linux! Always well behind other drivers, and filled with bugs because we have to wait for nvidia to get off thier asses and fix the damn thing.
What happens in 10 years when you're trying to use that binary driver to recover data from an ancient device? If it was an open source driver, you could fix it to work with your system; binary, you're going to have a lot more work to do.
Well, I guess once we get you to come back, we can all rest easy that linux will then take over the world?
The real problem is not drivers; the real problem is you buying random hardware and just hoping it will work. When it doesn't, you bitch and moan that "linux sucks!!111"
(Not _you_ specifically, but I see so much of this kind of bullshit. "I can't get it to work, so it sucks!!1". Annoying.)
PS. I've gotten the last three laptops I've purchased (from gateway) bleeding edge new machines in thier time - to work perfectly. All it takes is to stop whining and actually _try_ to make it work.
It's a bad idea because what happens when the driver ABI changes? You have to wait umpteen months for the company to get off thier asses and fix it - like nVidia.
It also precludes anyone else from fixing bugs in the broken, half assed crap most corporates spit out these days.
How can anyone possibly claim this isn't an ad?
It's an "article" for a CLOSED SOURCE, WIN32 VAPORWARE PRODUCT that LIKENS ITSELF TO VISUAL BASIC.
For god sakes, that's like saying "WOW!!! THIS IS AS FUN AS AIDS!"
I wouldn't say greed has reared up - the greed has _always_ been there. This prick (Frank) has always been making money from everyone elses work; now that the site needs to be moved to a different host, the guy is just plain too fucking lazy to do it, and too controlling to let anyone else do it.
IMO, something new needs to be started from scratch, without Frank being involved AT ALL.
A. They aren't.
B. They don't need hosting.
C. Why don't you try reading the article once or twice?
It's a joke because of the other people who get one, too. Actors? Golfers?
Uhm, yeah. That's because a pokeman ball is.. just a 3d rendered ball.
Oh, wait.