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Cyber Monday Doesn't Exist
xsspd2004 writes "Despite a huge amount of hype, the Monday after Thanksgiving is historically only the 12th-biggest online shopping day of the year. Do a Google search on "Cyber Monday," and you get as many as 779,000 results. Not a bad haul for a term that was created just a week and a half ago."
If it was created only a week ago, I somehow doubt that google has spidered and indexed ~800k sites/pages containing such phrase, in that time period.
"When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back!" -- Cave Johnson
Are you trying to say that our media is creating and over-hyping something that doesn't necessarily exist to make for better headlines? Noooooo... not our media....
this will be just like when they tried to add grandma and grandadas days to mothers and fathers days, just another excuse to try and drum up more profit. seems a bit pointless in this case though, they are both wrong and it's a growth business anyway. perhaps marketing were exceptionally bored. or maybe it was the work experience guy
Huh?
On CyberMonday, my whole family stands in line for hours to buy stuff on the Internet! It gets to fisticuffs and hair-pulling when it comes to grabbing the mouse and clicking on the 'Complete Purchase' button!
google.com "non news" Results 1 - 10 of about 271,000 for "non news". (0.24 seconds)
Well, most of the hits on the google search are from msg board posts that actually say "Wanna cyber, Monday?"
From the article:
They quickly discarded suggestions such as Black Monday (too much like Black Friday), Blue Monday (not very cheery), and Green Monday (too environmentalist), and settled on Cyber Monday.
I would call it - 'November's fools day'.
DOH! Does this mean I missed the biggest day of the year to get online and talk dirty to women who are actually men pretending to be women pretending to like men who are pretending not to like little boys?
Don't anthropomorphize computers: they hate that.
"windows vista" gives you about 15,600,000 results on google. And it's not even out yet!
I somehow doubt that google has spidered and indexed ~800k sites/pages containing such phrase, in that time period.
Somebody has a case of the cyber-Mondays!
The first Monday after Thanksgiving has always been and will always be Deer Slaying Day. Hell, we have off for work and school, just so we can go slay some of those fierce creatures.
Sheesh...get it right.
It's kind of like Snake Whacking day...only with deer.
Watch out those antlers can be nasty!
Sean D.
"Hmm. I am to metaphor cheese as metaphor cheese is to transitive verb crackers!"
...2,920 results for a Google search on "Cyber Monkey". Something just isn't right here.
The Google search they performed has nothing to do with indicating the quantity of sales. They don't even claim that it does! They use the search more to show how quickly the new term "Cyber Monday" has spread.
If you had bothered to read the article, you would have noticed that the sales data is based on non-Google research.
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
The internet is international. Slashdot is not. I refer you to the FAQ: http://slashdot.org/faq/editorial.shtml#ed850.
feh. stuff.
Personally, I stay home on cyber monday. The internet is too crowded and I hate waiting in the long lines at the checkout button.
It makes real cupcakes, with a 40 watt bulb, and there's icing packets....but the secret ingredient is love.
When I clicked on the CNN Money poll asking if you were shopping on Cyber Monday, the "No" was running at 85%. No wonder there was no internet slowdown when I was browsing the Amazon site at work. Alas, I didn't buy anything. Bad, consumer, bad!
And while we're beating down hype, "Good Friday" was only my ninth favourite friday of 2005.
Marge: "Happy Love Day everyone!"
Lisa: "Come on Mom! The stores just invented this holiday because they wanted to make money!"
Homer: "Lisa don't you ruin another love day!"
Meat is murder, I eat chicken.
Black Friday exists because physical shopping at a Brick-n'-Mortar has a number of very real constraints on when it can occur - You need the store open and staffed; You need to have free time (ie, not at work) to go; You need a reason to go; You need money to spend there.
Most people meeting the last condition have the Friday after Turkey-day off from work, thus meeting the second condition. Most retail sales staff do not, thus meeting the first condition. And our annual Materialism-and-oh-yeah-that-dead-Jew festival provides the final condition, a reason to go shopping in the first place.
Shopping on-line changes all that. The store always has its virtual doors open. They always have what you want, even if you don't know you want something. You can even find things on the cheap, if you look around carefully. It eliminates three of the four constraints necessary for a "holiday" flood of shoppers to occur on a particular day. And for the only one remaining, we still have at least another 20 or so "shopping" days up to which Amazon will guarantee delivery by December 25th. So no rush.
The entire premise of a mad rush to shop on one particular day comes from the same minds that can't understand why we "abandon" 90% of shopping carts at online stores, after they force us to add items to a cart to see its price.
Nothing to see here, move along - Captain Obvious has struck again.
will the cybermonday sales ad's be leaked on the net? I hope these people do a better job next year, I couldn't find a single one for amazon, tigerdirect, or newegg!!
I think the prefix "cyber" needs to be taken out back and shot.
It's been run into the ground, through to the other side of
the Earth and then back through again.
It's not clever anymore, media! Jeez...
I guess they don't care for our money. Not that I'd pay anyway as there are better discussion threads on the Usenet for free.
Well I declare tomorrow Cyber Wednesday as I'll be doing my grocery shopping online ... maybe I should run a /. poll to see who else will be doing theirs - and wow! a new national day is born!
Parent is right. Furthermore, it looks more like 110 results to me.
I trust the 1Million phrase combinations on google are mostly random if this is truly a new word, except when you search for CyberMonday as a single word. The resuls actually seem relevant in that search, but it's mostly forums.
What good is a work day without the internet? People would be quitting their jobs in droves.
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
I mean seriously...no one needs REAL monday either
i don't care
Today has been declared Talliwhacker Tuesday! Everyone who is capable of obtaining and maintaining an erection shall stroke it to the point of ejaculation.
Alas, I cannot participate, as I suffer from severe impotency.
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
When it comes down to TWELVTH biggest day, shouldn't it be a non-event?? I can see hyping #1, second biggest and maybe even 3rd, but 12th? Who cares!
A few more years of this hype and it may well exist. Just wait.
The interesting question is, "Why the hype?" Or, more specifically, "Why do some people want it to exist?"
A related question is, "How can the entire media be manipulated to hype something that doesn't really exist?" Sounds *cough*WMD*cough* familiar, doesn't it?
I did my share of cyber-ing.
Of course Cyber Monday doesn't exist, by way of the fact that you can shop at most e-tailers at any time, any day, and with advances in shipping, you can shop and get things delivered to you right up to Christmas day in most cases.
Of course some marketing person thought this up -- they thought up New Coke didn't they?
From Business Week: That's not to suggest that the Cyber Monday boost is a total fabrication. The fact is, people do most of their online shopping at work -- 58% of them, according to comScore Networks. They often get started in earnest on Mondays, when they return from a frustrating weekend at the mall to their broadband connections at work.
The fact is, many of us are smart enough not to buy into the hype of Black Friday, let alone Cyber Monday. I can shop online any time, from work, from home. It's easier to do from work because there's little chance of someone discovering what you're buying. Mind you, you have to be careful and actually work occasionally...
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I dug this up on Akamai's website.
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http://www.akamai.com/en/html/industry/nui/retail
Ummm... so what you're saying is - they should make it less US-centric to please you, a non-paying non-subscriber, even though you freely admit that you have no plans on paying to become a subscriber?
Doing a simple Google search I get "In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 283 already displayed." although more than 1,000,000 pages were indexed. (YMMV, all Google frontends don't yield the same results, especially with newly coined terms). This simply means that hundreds of useless blogs or news sites use the phrase on hundreds of their pages, and that those pages are accessible through hundreds of different URLs. Typical Google pollution.
God, root, what is difference ?
Sounds a lot like the "baby train" and "birthrate peak nine months after the 1965 Northeast US blackout" myths. Only less entertaining.
Someone said, "Gee, I betcha there's a lot of online shopping when people get back to work and their high-speed internet connections" and the plausible and amusing speculation became a legend.
I actually was skeptical about this, because most e-commerce sites are quite usable even at dialup speeds, and, conversely, DSL and cable are far from rare.
It's not like the days when people had 28Kbps modems at home and T1s at work.
It would be very interesting if someone actually managed to track the "Cyber Monday" meme to its source. It might be possible, since it originated recently and probably spread mostly via the Internet.
"How to Do Nothing," kids activities, back in print!
Hmmm, not sure why my URL showed up properly when I previewed but not when I posted. Let me try again. It was
http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/babtrain.htm
i.e. here
"How to Do Nothing," kids activities, back in print!
Hmm... it's gonna make the meeting with HR awkard this afternoon..
Yep. There's no way I'll ever pay for /. whilst it's a US-centric site. Otherwise I might consider it. I'm sure there are other people in the same position. Unfortunately /. also has other issues that leave me disinclined to pony up for it.
That's a lot of restocking!
Which only gets 2,100 hits in google (with quotes).
What a load of crap..
By Monday all the good deals are GONE!!!!
Most stores have the same sales online on Friday that they do in the stores and they start at midnight.. Just stay up after Thanksgiving (if you can, stupid Turkey). Hit Ben's Bargins & Fat Wallet then go shopping at midnight EST.
We scored everything we wanted and never set foot in the shopping nightmare at the mall.
If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur. --Red Adair
I believe you are required to link to pictures of the 'O Rly?' owls.
Yes, I know owls can't smile, etc. with their beaks, but the original picture cracks me up anyway. (I'm easily amused.) He just looks so joyous and enthusiastic, even though that's a gross misanthropomorphism.
I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
I have been celebrating "cyber Monday" each Monday for the past 10 years or so but it has nothing to do with shopping. It's more of an IRC thing.
Yet another termed coined to increase sales. How is this not a hype? The corporations and self-appointed analysts think people have not bought enough (or we've not earned enough) so we should go ahead and create a hype so that hype-deprived consumers will jump on and start clicking wildly. Honestly I think it just propagates the culture of over-consumption and waste.
The prefix "cyber" negates the requirement of naming a day there...it can be any day for that matter. If I want to buy something, it is "cyber that-day" for me.
Breaking out your old AOL account and going into those looking for love teenager chatrooms. Or...
Breaking out the latest posts from blood ninja and laughing it up.
...until a few days ago.
but i did manage to get a Dell 2005FPW Ultrasharp Widescreen 20" LCD for $334
whether or not Dell endorses cyber-monday is debatable
I just bought about $2000 of computer parts Monday. Now I read this. I'm a pawn!
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...MISS THE WHOLE POINT.
Our sales Friday were the best ever for our "direct" business. Yesterday's orders (in front of me) are standard for the season, but nothing like "Black Friday".
"from the bricks to the booth...I predict the future like Cleo the psychic..."
Seriously.
I stood in line for an hour in the freezing cold on Thursday night, for the chance to save $30 on a Bluetooth headset at CompUSA (store opened at midnight). Unfortunately, there were 500 people in line ahead of me (and another 700 behind me), so ALL the good stuff was gone by the time I got into the store. I left empty-handed. I was going to get up early on Friday morning to stand in line, but after that experience, no way.
I have to wonder why internet retailers aren't trying to put the kibosh on B&M outlets on Black Friday. The whole "Cyber Monday" thing seemed far-fetched to me... many people will have already blown their wad of cash over the weekend.
If I were a cyber retailer, I'd have a blowout sale from 8 PM to midnight on Thanksgiving Day, and get the jump on Black Friday. Nobody WANTS to get up at 4 AM and spend an hour or two in line outside in the cold.
Cuts into all my other non-productive web surfing.
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Your gonna tell me Cyber Monday doesn't exist. First Santa, then the WWF, then this. Why do I even bother trying to Believe in something.
IF it doesn't exist, why would Slashdot waste an article on it?
BROOKLYN
-THE NON ANONYMOUS COWARD
Yeah, of all people my Mom told me about this on Sunday. I am an online retailer, and historically the Monday after Thanksgiving has not been the best, however yesterday was our largest day ever on record, beating the prior largest day by about 40% more! I belive because of the hype produced by the media, it subconsciously persuaded people who would have bought on Tuesday or Wednesday to buy on Monday. I hate it when my Mom is right!!! -=Dave
Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious.
We saw a 35% bump in sales between last week and yesterday. Cyber Monday is very very real.
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From Diwali? Or Eid (this year)? Perhaps Halloween (they do that in the USA I think).
There weren't any good deals online on Monday that I saw, especially compared to the insane deals on Thu - Sat, so I don't get where this "Cyber Monday" concept comes from. People were talking about it as if you could buy gold for $.01 / pound.
In Soviet Russia, I ruled you
That's an entirely new realm of slow.
feh. stuff.
I found this out first hand. I work at UPS in one of the sorting hubs (we get a lot of stuff from amazon and other online retailers). We were gearing up for Monday (when a lot of stuff was suppose to ship and get to us) and we didn't get too busy. Busier than normal but no where near the hype.
American media and business and the government worked together for decades to create an American culture that is like a cash cow.
We have a culture evolved by CorpGovMedia in order to bring forth a culture that would create domesticated consumer animals. Homo Sapiens Americanus. Just as early homo sapiens sapiens evolved domesticated livestock that would be compliant and serve the needs of man, so too has CorpGovMedia domesticated a subspecies of mankind--because culture is a part of man himself, the American culture has been evolved by CorpGovMedia to create Homo Sapiens Americanus--a domesticated subspecies that is evolved to generate business profits.
America is a livestock operation. This is not a conspiracy; it is an ecosystem, with quasi-organic entities competing to survive. "Cybermonday" is just another survival ploy used by the American elite to further evolve Homo Sapiens Americanus. These are just environmental forces that act on our culture to change it over decades.
This explains why Americans work longer hours and have less governmental benefits than Europeans. Just like the domesticated cows will walk into the slaughterhouse, while its wild cousin will run.
eat shiat and bark at the moon
Do a Google search on "Cyber Monday," and you get as many as 779,000 results.
I just searched for "Cyber Monday" in quotes and got over 2 million results. Either your first quote was way off or you really contributed to the problem by posting this article.
In any case, it just goes to show you that in the information age, fluff travels faster than light.
Unfortunately /. also has other issues that leave me disinclined to pony up for it.
Issues such as you being a tightwad.
Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
You know, it's like some unhappy little term from the mid 1990's got lost in time and suddenly appeared in 2005. Nobody says "cyber"-anything anymore.
Except maybe the "CyberPlanet Keys" from Transformers: Cybertron.
BytesTemplar.com
Who knew it involved shopping too?
Well, I did my part for the cyber economy yesterday (and Slashdot as well). I clicked on an add from ThinkGeek and bought my sister-in-law an Xmas present. I wasn't actually out looking for anything, but it caught my eye and conicidentally, happend to be on "Cyber-Monday". Oh, well.
She promptly informed me that the day was 'Cyber Day' and that everything on the Internet was 50% off.
That'd be my dream. I told her that the only thing that was half off was women's clothing at myspace.com. She then asked me if I've ever shopped there before.
Sure, it's a manufactured story. But it illustrates the Internet's amazing power to make something out of nothing overnight, and lots of folks will be reviewing how this was done so they can replicate it. I've worked in the news media for a long time (25+ years), and am hard-pressed to recall an instant PR success of this magnitude. The Google numbers are less important than the quality of the news organizations that rose to the bait - without checking to see whether it was even true. This was all over the Net yesterday, picked up by virtually all major media outlets that pay any attention to the Internet. Expect lots of people to develop a "playbook" and try to emulate this.
RichM
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I thought I saw you in line. Remember me? We met in the gas lines after the hurricane. I met your brother once in line for Styx tickets and your Uncle in another line for space mountain. Man I love waiting in lines....
If an officer ever threatens to taze you, say you have a pacemaker.
The story implies that being the twelfth-biggest shopping day is some pathetic underachievement. But consider: That means it's in the 96th percentile! I'd say that's significant, especially if (as the article implies) shopping then falls off for the next week, i.e. until 5 December.
Tom Geller
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Hang on a sec. I need to find my grandson to explain your comment to me...
Just one more thing that demonstrates the reason I ignore the mainstream media. I refuse to believe any hype. As soon as I hear about anything "new and wonderful" I look into what makes it new and what makes it wonderful. When I first heard the term "cyber Monday", I thought to myself, "That's a bunch of bull. It's all just media hype." I was proved correct. I'm tired of all the media hype. Like NBC's Today show having the woman in a canoe to report on all the flooding, only to have a couple of guys walk through the few-inch deep water in front of her. Like the guy reporting on a hurricane a couple of years ago, struggling to stay in front of the camera despite the ferocious winds, only to have someone walk behind him, looking at him funny like "Why are you acting like the wind is blowing that hard?" Don't believe what the media tells you. All they want is to have more viewers for their commercials so they can make more money. What a bunch of crap.
--Okay, you can now mod this -1 Obvious.
But why is the rum gone?
I work for a PSP, we did 170% of our normal Monday transaction load yesterday, our highest peak to date discounting special events.
It's meaningless to anyone outside the United States, non-Christians or anyone who doesn't celebrate Christmas. For example why would a Hindu, somewhere int the World, care if Christmas was coming up and if they weren't from the US they wouldn't care if Thanksgiving Day was over either.
It's just another day.
"Cyber Monday's" will only matter to that new demographic "Tech Families" (it's not popular yet! *cringe* give it a week and a half) who analysts will associate with swinging the election.
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_friday: Black Friday (1869) - a stock market crash in the US Black Friday (1919) - a riot in Glasgow stemming from industrial unrest Black Friday (1921) - day on which British dockers' and railwaymen's union leaders announced their decision not to call for strike action against wage reductions for miners Black Friday (1939) - a day of devastating fires in Australia Black Friday (1945) - Largest air battle over Norway, over Sunnfjord Black Friday (1978) - a massacre of protesters in Iran Black Friday (1982) - known in Britain after Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands, sparking the Falklands War Black Friday (2004) - a crackdown on a peaceful protest in the capital city of Maldives, Malé sounds like a great basis for "the most wonderful US consumer day of the year". /sarcasm
I find the idea that it's when company's actually go into the black hard to believe. That's kind of like there being a de facto Tax Freedom Day ahref=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Freedom_Day rel=url2html-29682http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax _Freedom_Day>. Although, I guess with Black Friday, companies may incur certain fixed costs prior to the date where the incremental returns don't balance until late in the calendar year, but, as you said, the non-standard business fiscal year model really kills that B.F. theory)
Does that have anything to do with talking dirty to anyone online in a private chat room on monday?
Who is this Jimmy character, and why was he cracking corn in the first place?
I guess one of the benefits of not watching TV is that this is the first I've ever heard of this.
I agree, but where you said "So long as it doesn't directly affect me" when it comes to someone believing what they want, is negated as being altruistic when you follow it by saying that you feel obligated to destroy small childrens innocence by revealing the truth about the Easter Bunny and Santa, in effect, forcing your beliefs on someone else.
:P
Someone got nothing but coal in their stocking every Christmas, huh?
No sig for you!!
from Wikipedia Black Friday:
sounds like a great basis for "the most wonderful US consumer day of the year". /sarcasm
I find the idea that it's when company's actually go into the black hard to believe. That's kind of like there being a de facto Tax Freedom Day. Although, I guess with Black Friday, companies may incur certain fixed costs prior to the date where the incremental returns don't balance until late in the calendar year, but, as you said, the non-standard business fiscal year model really kills that B.F. theory. Anyone able to dive into the real Black Friday etymology?
Not to be confused with Black Thursday.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Poor Harry. Poor, poor Harry.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
from The Word Spy:
haven't found anything better. everything else seems to just point to the currently adopted usage of the term. Rather Orwellian, but such is life.
Google says "about 779,000 results" for me. But then if you try paging through them, you find that actually, there are less than 400 of them.
... results" figures are generated statistically based on the frequency of the words in the phrase whenever there more than some threshold amount. They're not particularly reliable.
I believe the "about
Still, it's a lot of articles.
Oh come now, it isn't the media's fault. They were simply misled by (insert Democrats or Republicans depending on your politics).
Hey, Democrats and Republicans aren't your only options. It could, for example, be the fault of the Tories, or the Reform Party, Zionist Conspiracy, or People Being Cruel To Animals, or Microsoft, or Satan, or The Capitalists. Actually, okay, that last one isn't all that unfounded. Personally though, I'm going to go for the classic "ironic twist" version and blame Nader somehow.
I remember sigs. Oh, a simpler time!
Hey, I resent the insuniation! I mark down time spent trolling /. as part of my community service!
I thought the entire population had been replaced with pod people eager to repeat the next wishfull-thinking delusion
pronounced from on high by the Corporate Providers.
Searching for "cyber monday" in Google Groups yields 1 (invalid) result for the time span 1/1/80 to 11/24/05. The first valid relevant result appears here: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events. usa/browse_thread/thread/7a30f1d9cd627cc6/19c2e474 9a5d624f?lnk=st&q=%22cyber+monday%22&rnum=1&hl=en# 19c2e4749a5d624f.
l e?AID=/20051119/ZNYT01/511190344.
The first result in Google News (which only looks back 1 month) is this article from the Tuscaloosa News dated 11/19: http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic
sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
I can't believe it took this long. Registered through: GoDaddy.com (http://www.godaddy.com/ Domain Name: CYBERMONDAY.COM Created on: 28-Oct-05 Expires on: 28-Oct-06 Last Updated on: 28-Oct-05
Hit Ben's Bargins & Fat Wallet then go shopping at midnight EST.
And then have fucking shitbag stores like Best Buy cancel your orders Tuesday morning. It would be nice if Best Buy decided whether they wanted to actually sell some fucking product before they advertised it and allowed people to place orders.
It is also nice how it takes several days for the refund to hit your card, isn't it? If someone was paranoid, they might think BB was holding the money for several days to earn interest off it.
I'm sure BB gets a good enough rate with the credit card companies for this to be possible.
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I get 6.7m now on google. 1.05m without quotes.
The first rule of Cyber Monday is - you do not talk about Cyber Monday.
The second rule of Cyber Monday is - you DO NOT talk about Cyber Monday.
But you're an ass.
I do understand you don't believe in this stuff. That's totally fine.
But it's nice to respect the wishes of parents and how they would like to raise their kids. If they want to believe in Santa, it's respectful to play along. It's very rude not to.
I know some parents go overboard in telling other people not to tell their kids what to do (happened to me), but within reason, I try to accomodate them.
For the record, I don't see what Santa has to do with religion. Santa, Christmas trees and lights don't have much to do with the rebirth of Jesus. Christmas just really isn't much about religion in the US, any more than Halloween is. It's even less religious in Japan.
It's really more about being nice to each other. Something that seems pretty lost on you, at least from your statements here.
http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/8/20/95
Perhaps you could strive to understand that.
Not everyone who has a delusion needs to be broken of it.
When a person is diagnosed with terminal brain cancer, the doctor doesn't say "there's no chance you'll live". They leave some hope. Would your crushing it help out?
Once that person comes to grips that they are going to die soon, if they feel they don't need to tell all their friends and relatives that this is the case, even though it might be obvious from their appearance, are these people better off if you straighten them out about it?
I had a teacher with cancer when I was in middle school. She was going to die. She kept teaching because she liked it. But she didn't tell us students. It just wouldn't have been appropriate.
If my neighbor tells his daughter she should work hard at soccer, perhaps she can turn pro some day, should I tell her that statistically it's impossible, that women soccer players don't really make a living anyway and that she's too short for it to boot? There's time for her to figure this out for herself later, and in the meantime, it might increase her enjoyment of her (possibly temporal) interest in soccer.
So, although you may never wish to delude yourself, I feel you go too far in assuming everyone else should live by your credo. And honestly, I think you definitely go much too far (and perhaps stroke your ego too much) by thinking it is you who should set everyone right and make their lives better.
As to your ridiculous comments equating believing in Santa Claus with female circumcision (which often also includes stitching the upper part of the vagina closed, BTW) or child rape is patently ridiculous. It has no actual value. Obviously there are times when rudeness is necessary and better than the alternative. The world isn't black and white, and your juxtaposition of two situations doesn't make them morally equivalent.
I close as I began. Perhaps the primary thing you should consider is what it means to think that everyone should live according to your rules. And that if they do so, they'll find their lives better (and apparently after some thought, more enlightened). What are you saying about yourself and your way of thinking and by extension everyone else's beliefs.
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about 6,690,000 for cyber monday. (0.10 seconds)
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We made $4.8mil US on Monday, $5.6mil US on Tuesday. Seems to me like they should call it Cyber Tuesday.
Hmm well everything we ordered was delivered on time.. no problem.
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Hmmm... and since there are no truly international holidays nor a completely accepted international calendar, nor language I guess it's all just for not. Fuck it, we may as well pull the plug so our thin skinned cousins from afar don't get upset because we make reference to a holiday that is only recognized in a certain country. Christ forbid...
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