"The US is pretty much built on its public school system."
That may be so, but it's arguable as to how well it's built.
"It gives everyone an oppertunity to make something of themselves."
That's debatable at best.
"It certainly isn't the best, but it is there, it's free and it's required."
I agree with all of this except the free part. Tax dollars pay for the public schools and if you spend or earn money, you pay taxes.
"Anyone who argues to take that away is more scary to me than almost anyone in either major party."
I read the page you linked to. They're not arguing to take education away from the populace, they're arguing that the current system is failing and it can be improved or replaced with a better paradigm.
If you get a chance, read the following:
http://www.thememoryhole.org/edu/school-mission.ht m
I'm not making any claims to the accuracy of the linked page, but as someone who has grown up in Alabama, where the various laws and institutions were designed to keep the majority from improving their lot in life, the argument is not as unsound as I would like to believe.
Considering that since some language in the constitution refers to people or persons while other language refers to citizens, your opinion doesn't seem to jive with the intent of the constitution.
"Okay, when someone is elected as our leader doesn't that mean that we as a people have come together and a majority has decided that that person is the best one to lead us."
Most of the statistics I've seen on voter turnout do not back that up.
"I try not to pay attention to the bigots on the far right or the hippies on the far left."
I agree, although I extend that to extremists of any group.
"Plus the whole Libertarian thing seems really out there."
why do you say that? I'm not trolling or being sarcastic (nor am I endorsing strict adherence to a "party"), I'm genuinely curious.
As I'm not sure what is meant by BND, FE, and HE, I can't really comment on your situation. I faced a similar climate, except most of the entry-level jobs I saw when I graduated (last year), wanted a bachelor's degree AND 2 years experience.
However, my comment was in regard to the statement "It always amazes me when people, without formal education, can accomplish so much." I never stated that you don't need an FE or HE. I only stated that "I've always held the opinion that passion and determination are two of the primary ingredients of success and/or accomplishment." Notice I said TWO of the PRIMARY ingredients, not all that you need. I should also point out that spending 5 years in college could be interpreted as indicating passion and determination in an individual.
Given all the complaints about it not being useful, easily bypassed or whatever else, what is the potential harm (if any) caused by requiring SEXUALLY EXPLICIT in the subject line of porn spam? I guess I'm just having trouble seeing the down side.
"If I'm a company that makes Foo Bar, and if I say that I'd asked this marketing company to market Foo for me, and they broke the law, what can the judge do?"
This would be dependent on the judicial system, but it could be that it is the responsibility of your company to acquire some knowledge of who you are entering a business agreement with.
If the marketing company had a history of illegal and/or unethical conduct that could be shown in court to be relatively easy to uncover, and the conduct is related to the nature of your business agreement then you could considered culpable.
"If I hire a man to sell my product and he goes and rapes a girl (or a guy, depending upon his preference), I cannot be held responsible."
This could also depend on the situation. Off the top of my head example: You hired a guy as a door-to-door salesman for women's products. He rapes a women on his sales route. During the investigation it is discovered that he had prior convictions for rape that would have appeared during a routine background investigation. From this prosecutor determines that you're company either:
didn't do a background investigation -> low chance of being held culpable but still possible in a jury trial
or
did a background investigation but hired the guy for some reason -> higher chance of being held culpable even more likely in a jury trial
Also, in some countries, civil cases don't have the same requirements with regards to evidence as criminal courts.
-1 Offtopic huh, so you didn't like that one either I see, is this any better?
"All your mods are belong to us!"
No? Ok, how about:
"In Soviet Russia, comments mod YOU!
The Chandra's Rectum Observatory has provided new evidence supporting the existence of dark energy, the force causing the acceleration of anal expansion. The new findings support the theory that the anus will expand forever, provided there is enough dark matter. CNN and Newsday are running the story, originally reported by ASSA. Chandra's site has some good images and information on the three peanut clusters studied.
"It always amazes me when people, without formal education, can accomplish so much."
I'm not as amazed because I've always held the opinion that passion and determination are two of the primary ingredients of success and/or accomplishment.
"That means that -most- citizens of the United States would have preferred to have a different leader..."
First, given that substantially less than half of the US population actually cast a vote in that election, the statement above is not a reasonable inference from the stats on the provided source.
Second, even if the statement was changed from "most citizens" to "most voters", it would still be a pointless statement. Why? Because the difference in votes between Gore and Bush was sufficiently small that the statement would apply regardless of who occupied the Oval Office.
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"The US is pretty much built on its public school system." That may be so, but it's arguable as to how well it's built. "It gives everyone an oppertunity to make something of themselves." That's debatable at best. "It certainly isn't the best, but it is there, it's free and it's required." I agree with all of this except the free part. Tax dollars pay for the public schools and if you spend or earn money, you pay taxes. "Anyone who argues to take that away is more scary to me than almost anyone in either major party." I read the page you linked to. They're not arguing to take education away from the populace, they're arguing that the current system is failing and it can be improved or replaced with a better paradigm. If you get a chance, read the following: http://www.thememoryhole.org/edu/school-mission.ht m
I'm not making any claims to the accuracy of the linked page, but as someone who has grown up in Alabama, where the various laws and institutions were designed to keep the majority from improving their lot in life, the argument is not as unsound as I would like to believe.
Considering that since some language in the constitution refers to people or persons while other language refers to citizens, your opinion doesn't seem to jive with the intent of the constitution.
"Okay, when someone is elected as our leader doesn't that mean that we as a people have come together and a majority has decided that that person is the best one to lead us." Most of the statistics I've seen on voter turnout do not back that up.
"I try not to pay attention to the bigots on the far right or the hippies on the far left." I agree, although I extend that to extremists of any group.
"Plus the whole Libertarian thing seems really out there." why do you say that? I'm not trolling or being sarcastic (nor am I endorsing strict adherence to a "party"), I'm genuinely curious.
because most of the people in this country act like sheep and will not put forth enough brain power to see through the whole 2-party shell game
kewl...thanks for the info...i know where I'm heading after work :)
Bah! that was settled on an episode of Ren & Stimpy
I haven't played the new Thief yet, what's your take on it?
NT
"95% of P2P traffic is illegal piracy..."
so are you saying 5% of P2P traffic is legal piracy?
redunant fuckwit
As I'm not sure what is meant by BND, FE, and HE, I can't really comment on your situation. I faced a similar climate, except most of the entry-level jobs I saw when I graduated (last year), wanted a bachelor's degree AND 2 years experience.
However, my comment was in regard to the statement "It always amazes me when people, without formal education, can accomplish so much." I never stated that you don't need an FE or HE. I only stated that "I've always held the opinion that passion and determination are two of the primary ingredients of success and/or accomplishment." Notice I said TWO of the PRIMARY ingredients, not all that you need. I should also point out that spending 5 years in college could be interpreted as indicating passion and determination in an individual.
Given all the complaints about it not being useful, easily bypassed or whatever else, what is the potential harm (if any) caused by requiring SEXUALLY EXPLICIT in the subject line of porn spam? I guess I'm just having trouble seeing the down side.
"If I'm a company that makes Foo Bar, and if I say that I'd asked this marketing company to market Foo for me, and they broke the law, what can the judge do?"
This would be dependent on the judicial system, but it could be that it is the responsibility of your company to acquire some knowledge of who you are entering a business agreement with.
If the marketing company had a history of illegal and/or unethical conduct that could be shown in court to be relatively easy to uncover, and the conduct is related to the nature of your business agreement then you could considered culpable.
"If I hire a man to sell my product and he goes and rapes a girl (or a guy, depending upon his preference), I cannot be held responsible."
This could also depend on the situation. Off the top of my head example: You hired a guy as a door-to-door salesman for women's products. He rapes a women on his sales route. During the investigation it is discovered that he had prior convictions for rape that would have appeared during a routine background investigation. From this prosecutor determines that you're company either:
didn't do a background investigation -> low chance of being held culpable but still possible in a jury trial
or
did a background investigation but hired the guy for some reason -> higher chance of being held culpable even more likely in a jury trial
Also, in some countries, civil cases don't have the same requirements with regards to evidence as criminal courts.
-1 Offtopic huh, so you didn't like that one either I see, is this any better? "All your mods are belong to us!" No? Ok, how about: "In Soviet Russia, comments mod YOU!
hmm.. flamebait huh, sheesh, guess I should have just posted a comment about powering a beowulf cluster...
Considering the ideas discussed and the nature of the theories, how do you determine who are the "real physicists" and who are the "quacks"?
The Chandra's Rectum Observatory has provided new evidence supporting the existence of dark energy, the force causing the acceleration of anal expansion. The new findings support the theory that the anus will expand forever, provided there is enough dark matter. CNN and Newsday are running the story, originally reported by ASSA. Chandra's site has some good images and information on the three peanut clusters studied.
Is anyone else concerned about the apparent contention over BitKeeper mentioned in the article?
"It always amazes me when people, without formal education, can accomplish so much." I'm not as amazed because I've always held the opinion that passion and determination are two of the primary ingredients of success and/or accomplishment.
unless they're already married :)
"That means that -most- citizens of the United States would have preferred to have a different leader..."
First, given that substantially less than half of the US population actually cast a vote in that election, the statement above is not a reasonable inference from the stats on the provided source.
Second, even if the statement was changed from "most citizens" to "most voters", it would still be a pointless statement. Why? Because the difference in votes between Gore and Bush was sufficiently small that the statement would apply regardless of who occupied the Oval Office.
well thank God that's been settled
"...can be quite cool to listen to" agreed, as can The Aquarium Rescue Unit
5 - Take candy from babies.