The thing is, no one is combining the mine's logic of "acquire target near me, that is enemy" with the cruise missiles "fly to externally chosen target", and thinking that's a good idea. With the tech becoming just good enough now, the fact that these are being smooshed together is the new thing. They'll be sold as "thing that identifies enemies and attacks them", when in fact they will be "thing that can pick out humans and kill them at distance"- a mine that isn't content to chill for a few decades before deactivating, being taken out, or attacking some innocent.
> What stops a 15 year old script kiddie that hacks a battalion of these things and sends them on a rampage?
I wanted to make a joke, because this is a great setup to one, but it frankly won't be funny in a few years.
The parts of the world that seem automated, are already exploited, no exceptions. The biggest and glaring sign of this is SWATting. Hackers identify that the government is responding with overwhelming terror force to phone calls. Hackers "hack" this system by simply spoofing a dangerous scenario. Bad things ensue.
This is a fully automated system- but every element of the automation is humans. From getting the call to parsing it to responding with force to deploying officers in full military gear to apartments and houses, everyone is doing their job. And it's broken. What's the piece of automation needed to exploit this, what's the real hack? It's the telephone or other comms device. This narrows the bandwidth enough that the barrier to entry drops from "trained actor" to "rando asshole". It also removes the needed "now escape" part of the plan. Just that ONE piece of tech- the phone- is enough to break the system, and because it wasn't happening when the police weren't geared for unseating nests of aliens or whatever the fuck all that shit is for, they built the house of cards on bad tech.
And this will keep happening. Every piece of automation, every thing that removes a chain of humans from the equation in the name of efficiency, dramatically ups these risks.
You should research how this goes down before posting. This isn't a shitpost, but it's based on some misunderstandings. The overall points about how these things encourage killing when we would not be willing to otherwise is a good one, but bullshit like "guy sitting safely in a chair" is just meant to rouse emotions
It sounds awful. Automatic updates sounds great, because it's a default. And you can turn it off. Windows 10 moves heaven and earth to remove the parts that let you turn it off. How does that sound great to anyone, at any point, ever?
Note this well: > Ideally, you correct the flaw and thank the contributor. > If the contributor posted code that exploits the problem, it's reasonable to remove part of the post, PM the poster, etc. This can eliminate the downtime. You also mark that there was an edit there, etc. This is also acceptable. > You could instead delete the whole post, and also PM OP, thanking him and asking him to keep it on the D/L until patch day, at which point you acknowledge his help in public, and ideally reinstate the post. This is a bit alarmist, but isn't loopy. > You could instead delete the whole post and give no reason. This is shitty- you are trying to deny the poster credit, and you aren't obviously resolving the problem. > You could instead delete the whole post, give no reason, and BAN THE POSTER. This is for crazy fuckers only, and is what OP said happened to him. That's nuts.
"The strength of reddit is in the community and not in the content."
There's no reddit community.
Coontown hates primarily Blacks, and also to some extent Jews. Don't like it? Why, there's another sub that hates primarily Jews, and also to some extent Blacks. See, diversity! Meanwhile, there's a zillion political boards, each with their own slant. That hate each other. Then there's this whole Gender War going on, and there's a bunch of red pill subs that all say they hate reddit, and there's the SRS sub that hates everyone ON reddit, and that is NOT a fucking community. That's a deliberately set of tribal boundaries. It's meant to start fights, which it does.
Reddit doesn't have a community- it's an extended melee where some people haven't been punched enough to stay down yet.
The thing is, those moderation systems are both MORE COMMON and are SUPERIOR. The issue is simpler: the reddit style of setup is there *to create conflict*. Slashdot is an internet town square, where the crier stops by and hear-ye hear-yes and everyone talks about the topic for a bit. Stackexchange is an internet guild hall, where you keep your conversation on topic and those with the most credibility (usually deserved, but sometimes not) get a louder voice and longer time at the podium.
But reddit is an internet dueling ground where everyone goes to face off. For every two people having some internet fight, a zillion more watch. The reason it exploded wasn't because it was a superior discussion system- nerds made better ones at the dawn of the net, and they are still here. The reason it exploded is that they figured out how to play their users against each other. Reddit's system is awful by design, because their goal isn't to make for conversation, it's to make for clicks and fights and play off that end of the emotional spectrum.
I think he's saying that the are claiming to have free speech, but this is trivially falsifiable. That they have things that they'll ban you for, raw speech.
And the other side has even more ammo- once it is obvious that they *have* a decency standard, the question then becomes WHY THE FUCK IS IT SET WHERE IT IS?
It doesn't have to do with *censorship*, but it's still related to free speech. In fact, we're now at a point where this is being lost on a lot of folks- that if you provide a platform where anyone can express any thought, that you are somehow implicitly responsible for all those thoughts, and leaving them around is the same as approving of them.
The wisdom of the greybeards is showing pretty sharply these days. The older, less centralized usenetty-style things didn't have anyone to stick a pitchfork in, so they couldn't be accused of this. While they obviously had their own issues, the assumption now is that any platform that permits people to say something, must agree with that thing.
And frankly? As regards reddit, that's true. They've been banning stuff for years, and why would the same login have ever been usefully keyed to "download pictures of high school upskirts", "discuss literature", "scream about how some set of people suck inherently from the moment of their birth forward", and "post cat videos"? The idea that such free speech would exist at a single website is frankly kind of silly to begin with, because it just means that all the users won't be selected for any given criteria. This is well before you throw in whirlwind of destruction that is the voting system, but that's so insane I won't even talk about it here.
They are trying to play both sides, and it is doomed to failure- but more importantly, it's kind of insulting. If these guys want to be information terrorists like 8chan and allow anyone to say anything that they can't personally be dragged to court over, then they need to wear that hat. They need to curse at their opposition and call them "moralfags", and all that jazz. If you are going to get dragged to hell for free speech, at least be wearing the Free Speech Jumpsuit. But that's not reddit- they are a corporation, they aren't a website. They have a brand. They have a hierarchy, a board of directors, and a CEO that they can hold up for everyone to throw darts. They claim that they are the "front page of the internet". When you do all that, and still have a board where everyone is so racist that they would get banned at *stormfront*, then YES THEY ARE IMPLICITLY APPROVING OF THAT BOARD. By choosing to allow that, but ban other things that are also legal, they are basically saying "ok, we think THIS thing is better than THAT thing". The whole idea is fucked for them, and has been from the start.
I think you're joking, but I'm pretty sure you don't capitalize them when they are part of another word. Even though it isn't written "grammer-nazi", it's still really that way. It's not a grammar type of Nazi, it's a compound "grammar nazi", a stickler for grammar.
Because of the huge money involved, I gotta say- get the fuck off your AC or I'll just call you a shill, shill.
The companies make it pretty hard to figure this shit out. If you care about GMO content, or, more rationally, you want to know WHAT specific GMOs are in your foods, you are now subscribed to Research For Hours Mailing List. To unsubscribe, having anything else come up in your life, and hope it's ok.
I just don't get it. I love the free market. If you don't label your shit, that's not a free market, that's a shell game. I said it was salmon, it's something like a salmon. I said it was grain, it's some hybrid. We added dye and flavor to fool your taste buds, eyes, and nose, which are there to warn you about stuff that isn't food, so that you can't rely on those, because we scienced them away. Now we are bribing the federal government to prevent us from having to disclose what plastics and mutants we have. That's not a free market. If you buy IBM stock, you don't secretly get a version of the stock that has been altered in some way- you get what you pay for.
Every step of the way, these guys fight labels. They fought ingredients, they fought macronutrients, they change wording to hide stuff as soon as people learn it's really some clever poison, they fuck with portion sizes to claim 0 grams of something you want to eat 0 grams of, but they just redid it so it's the same amount but they can round it to 0 and it's not 0 and seriously fuck them just so so hard
However, I will say this: the law could work around this fact. It could instead state which companies or product types can have this happen.
Does an Oreo have GMO stuff in it? Well, the internet says yes, but the internet also has authoritative opinions on which Atlantean healing crystals work best for a Gemini.
It's not merely labeling at work: I can't find this information at oreo.com. I can find that they are "wonderfilled", so, you know, there's that.
The GMO thing is deep, because we are using the same dubiously hateful acronym for "we made a new type of grain that might be healthier" and "we made salmon grow at quadruple speed". I feel I'd like to try the first and never touch the second. My mom would want to avoid them both. Plenty of folks would be fine with either. It's frustrating as fuck to have to browse activist websites to figure out what the fuck is in the goddamned food.
I guess I just don't have much sympathy for the food industry, even in a real case like the one you point out. Not everything is some giant business trying to do whatever and damn the costs, and regulation strikes all those guys too.
What about, these clonws have to keep this information on their website? What about, the stores have this data in a broswable fashion, for the zillion people who don't have the internet in their pocket? I mean, there's a lot of much lower cost options than forcing repackaging.
One last thing- if California decided to force the labeling, the companies can choose to label in California, label everywhere, not sell in California, or drop the GMOs. Is it really that onerous to put that burden on them? If California voters are making it hard to sell GMO products in their state, maybe they are actually pushing those guys out on purpose- maybe the hassle is a feature, not a bug.
Maybe.
Or maybe we should just force GMO labeling federally. Everyone with the same burden.
"With no evidence that GMO food is bad for your health why should mandatory labeling be required."
This is explicitly the federal government overriding local laws (county/city/state) that may WANT this labeling. Why does "there's no evidence that it hurts" equal "therefore, the federal government should jam it down everyone's fucking throats?"
I bet the rest of your politics don't look like this.
"If people are actually keen to have non-GMO foods and a market exists for those people why not simply label all other food as GMO free to appease that market?"
That's actually what is happening, but I bet you'll see the big companies find ways to slip GMOs into that via some backdoor.
I'll ask again: why does democracy have to be overruled nationwide, if some state or city wants to force labeling on GMO products? Why is that the business of the feds?
For the record: I think some GMO stuff is great, and I think some GMO stuff is kinda shady. I don't inherently fear GMO foods, and some of them I actually want (that cool vitamin-A rice, for instance). But I'd love it if the laws said it had to be labelled, and I think that any company that is applying as much political pressure as it can to hide what it puts in our food supply is pretty much guaranteed to be villainous, full stop.
Generally if you follow links to there you can be safe. As a community though, it's wildly schizo. Their front page seems ok, subreddits devoted to specific video games or hobbies seem pretty solid, but goodness thar be dragons just off that map.
The defaults are visible to people not logged in on the main page, so in effect they are the "real" reddit that is visible to the universe from the front page. Further, they end up with a much larger buy-in from the userbase than the others.
I think this is just one of the many screwy things with reddit- if you pick just the content you are interested in, you get custom information that presumably you are interested in, and if you don't do that, you have access to all these high traffic things. Meanwhile, by picking your sub-boards yourself you shield yourself from other views that you might need to interact with from more than one point of view. I just think the whole thing is kinda dorked up, with no correct answer.
They will at least support custom layouts, but not at launch. So I'll look into it then.
But I will say this- the idea of holding a function key to get to the rest of the keyboard buttons is a terrible one. Chording has some purpose, but here it really seems bad. Do you want Alt + Tab to become Alt + Function + tilde?
Nice design. If they add more keys to it natively later it might be worth looking into. Honestly, I'd love a keyboard that has good quality and doesn't enforce that ludicrous Qwerty stuff. Sure, sure, touch typing, but it would be great to have the keys do what they say instead of being all lies (unless you use a really old or featureless keyboard).
This would fail for technical reasons. You could transform any piece of encrypted text into a larger piece of text that appears unencrypted, and this would happen just about immediately.
Can you set an EOL date in the past? Maybe by a decade, give or take a bit? If causality doesn't currently permit that, we should look into patching this functionality into reality as a special case.
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The thing is, no one is combining the mine's logic of "acquire target near me, that is enemy" with the cruise missiles "fly to externally chosen target", and thinking that's a good idea. With the tech becoming just good enough now, the fact that these are being smooshed together is the new thing. They'll be sold as "thing that identifies enemies and attacks them", when in fact they will be "thing that can pick out humans and kill them at distance"- a mine that isn't content to chill for a few decades before deactivating, being taken out, or attacking some innocent.
> What stops a 15 year old script kiddie that hacks a battalion of these things and sends them on a rampage?
I wanted to make a joke, because this is a great setup to one, but it frankly won't be funny in a few years.
The parts of the world that seem automated, are already exploited, no exceptions. The biggest and glaring sign of this is SWATting. Hackers identify that the government is responding with overwhelming terror force to phone calls. Hackers "hack" this system by simply spoofing a dangerous scenario. Bad things ensue.
This is a fully automated system- but every element of the automation is humans. From getting the call to parsing it to responding with force to deploying officers in full military gear to apartments and houses, everyone is doing their job. And it's broken. What's the piece of automation needed to exploit this, what's the real hack? It's the telephone or other comms device. This narrows the bandwidth enough that the barrier to entry drops from "trained actor" to "rando asshole". It also removes the needed "now escape" part of the plan. Just that ONE piece of tech- the phone- is enough to break the system, and because it wasn't happening when the police weren't geared for unseating nests of aliens or whatever the fuck all that shit is for, they built the house of cards on bad tech.
And this will keep happening. Every piece of automation, every thing that removes a chain of humans from the equation in the name of efficiency, dramatically ups these risks.
You should research how this goes down before posting. This isn't a shitpost, but it's based on some misunderstandings. The overall points about how these things encourage killing when we would not be willing to otherwise is a good one, but bullshit like "guy sitting safely in a chair" is just meant to rouse emotions
No sympathy eh? I think you and Windows 10 are gonna have an amusing and tempestuous relationship.
It sounds awful. Automatic updates sounds great, because it's a default. And you can turn it off. Windows 10 moves heaven and earth to remove the parts that let you turn it off. How does that sound great to anyone, at any point, ever?
Sh! Quiet or the guy with copyright on recursion will come around here.
I dunno, I want to believe, but all I have is this anecdotal statement on slashdot to go by...
> The security guard (they carried guns back then) wouldn't let me in because I was wearing short.
You need to also wear the other short. Just one short is crazy territory.
One wonders why you wonder about a technical post on a technical site using a technical term?
This is pretty silly. The gender restrictions will probably have to go, because it will be hyper lulzy if they don't.
No, the security risk was in their code.
Note this well:
> Ideally, you correct the flaw and thank the contributor.
> If the contributor posted code that exploits the problem, it's reasonable to remove part of the post, PM the poster, etc. This can eliminate the downtime. You also mark that there was an edit there, etc. This is also acceptable.
> You could instead delete the whole post, and also PM OP, thanking him and asking him to keep it on the D/L until patch day, at which point you acknowledge his help in public, and ideally reinstate the post. This is a bit alarmist, but isn't loopy.
> You could instead delete the whole post and give no reason. This is shitty- you are trying to deny the poster credit, and you aren't obviously resolving the problem.
> You could instead delete the whole post, give no reason, and BAN THE POSTER. This is for crazy fuckers only, and is what OP said happened to him. That's nuts.
"The strength of reddit is in the community and not in the content."
There's no reddit community.
Coontown hates primarily Blacks, and also to some extent Jews. Don't like it? Why, there's another sub that hates primarily Jews, and also to some extent Blacks. See, diversity! Meanwhile, there's a zillion political boards, each with their own slant. That hate each other. Then there's this whole Gender War going on, and there's a bunch of red pill subs that all say they hate reddit, and there's the SRS sub that hates everyone ON reddit, and that is NOT a fucking community. That's a deliberately set of tribal boundaries. It's meant to start fights, which it does.
Reddit doesn't have a community- it's an extended melee where some people haven't been punched enough to stay down yet.
The thing is, those moderation systems are both MORE COMMON and are SUPERIOR. The issue is simpler: the reddit style of setup is there *to create conflict*. Slashdot is an internet town square, where the crier stops by and hear-ye hear-yes and everyone talks about the topic for a bit. Stackexchange is an internet guild hall, where you keep your conversation on topic and those with the most credibility (usually deserved, but sometimes not) get a louder voice and longer time at the podium.
But reddit is an internet dueling ground where everyone goes to face off. For every two people having some internet fight, a zillion more watch. The reason it exploded wasn't because it was a superior discussion system- nerds made better ones at the dawn of the net, and they are still here. The reason it exploded is that they figured out how to play their users against each other. Reddit's system is awful by design, because their goal isn't to make for conversation, it's to make for clicks and fights and play off that end of the emotional spectrum.
I think he's saying that the are claiming to have free speech, but this is trivially falsifiable. That they have things that they'll ban you for, raw speech.
And the other side has even more ammo- once it is obvious that they *have* a decency standard, the question then becomes WHY THE FUCK IS IT SET WHERE IT IS?
It doesn't have to do with *censorship*, but it's still related to free speech. In fact, we're now at a point where this is being lost on a lot of folks- that if you provide a platform where anyone can express any thought, that you are somehow implicitly responsible for all those thoughts, and leaving them around is the same as approving of them.
The wisdom of the greybeards is showing pretty sharply these days. The older, less centralized usenetty-style things didn't have anyone to stick a pitchfork in, so they couldn't be accused of this. While they obviously had their own issues, the assumption now is that any platform that permits people to say something, must agree with that thing.
And frankly? As regards reddit, that's true. They've been banning stuff for years, and why would the same login have ever been usefully keyed to "download pictures of high school upskirts", "discuss literature", "scream about how some set of people suck inherently from the moment of their birth forward", and "post cat videos"? The idea that such free speech would exist at a single website is frankly kind of silly to begin with, because it just means that all the users won't be selected for any given criteria. This is well before you throw in whirlwind of destruction that is the voting system, but that's so insane I won't even talk about it here.
They are trying to play both sides, and it is doomed to failure- but more importantly, it's kind of insulting. If these guys want to be information terrorists like 8chan and allow anyone to say anything that they can't personally be dragged to court over, then they need to wear that hat. They need to curse at their opposition and call them "moralfags", and all that jazz. If you are going to get dragged to hell for free speech, at least be wearing the Free Speech Jumpsuit. But that's not reddit- they are a corporation, they aren't a website. They have a brand. They have a hierarchy, a board of directors, and a CEO that they can hold up for everyone to throw darts. They claim that they are the "front page of the internet". When you do all that, and still have a board where everyone is so racist that they would get banned at *stormfront*, then YES THEY ARE IMPLICITLY APPROVING OF THAT BOARD. By choosing to allow that, but ban other things that are also legal, they are basically saying "ok, we think THIS thing is better than THAT thing". The whole idea is fucked for them, and has been from the start.
I think you're joking, but I'm pretty sure you don't capitalize them when they are part of another word. Even though it isn't written "grammer-nazi", it's still really that way. It's not a grammar type of Nazi, it's a compound "grammar nazi", a stickler for grammar.
Because of the huge money involved, I gotta say- get the fuck off your AC or I'll just call you a shill, shill.
The companies make it pretty hard to figure this shit out. If you care about GMO content, or, more rationally, you want to know WHAT specific GMOs are in your foods, you are now subscribed to Research For Hours Mailing List. To unsubscribe, having anything else come up in your life, and hope it's ok.
I just don't get it. I love the free market. If you don't label your shit, that's not a free market, that's a shell game. I said it was salmon, it's something like a salmon. I said it was grain, it's some hybrid. We added dye and flavor to fool your taste buds, eyes, and nose, which are there to warn you about stuff that isn't food, so that you can't rely on those, because we scienced them away. Now we are bribing the federal government to prevent us from having to disclose what plastics and mutants we have. That's not a free market. If you buy IBM stock, you don't secretly get a version of the stock that has been altered in some way- you get what you pay for.
Every step of the way, these guys fight labels. They fought ingredients, they fought macronutrients, they change wording to hide stuff as soon as people learn it's really some clever poison, they fuck with portion sizes to claim 0 grams of something you want to eat 0 grams of, but they just redid it so it's the same amount but they can round it to 0 and it's not 0 and seriously fuck them just so so hard
This is a compelling point.
However, I will say this: the law could work around this fact. It could instead state which companies or product types can have this happen.
Does an Oreo have GMO stuff in it? Well, the internet says yes, but the internet also has authoritative opinions on which Atlantean healing crystals work best for a Gemini.
It's not merely labeling at work: I can't find this information at oreo.com. I can find that they are "wonderfilled", so, you know, there's that.
The GMO thing is deep, because we are using the same dubiously hateful acronym for "we made a new type of grain that might be healthier" and "we made salmon grow at quadruple speed". I feel I'd like to try the first and never touch the second. My mom would want to avoid them both. Plenty of folks would be fine with either. It's frustrating as fuck to have to browse activist websites to figure out what the fuck is in the goddamned food.
I guess I just don't have much sympathy for the food industry, even in a real case like the one you point out. Not everything is some giant business trying to do whatever and damn the costs, and regulation strikes all those guys too.
What about, these clonws have to keep this information on their website? What about, the stores have this data in a broswable fashion, for the zillion people who don't have the internet in their pocket? I mean, there's a lot of much lower cost options than forcing repackaging.
One last thing- if California decided to force the labeling, the companies can choose to label in California, label everywhere, not sell in California, or drop the GMOs. Is it really that onerous to put that burden on them? If California voters are making it hard to sell GMO products in their state, maybe they are actually pushing those guys out on purpose- maybe the hassle is a feature, not a bug.
Maybe.
Or maybe we should just force GMO labeling federally. Everyone with the same burden.
"With no evidence that GMO food is bad for your health why should mandatory labeling be required."
This is explicitly the federal government overriding local laws (county/city/state) that may WANT this labeling. Why does "there's no evidence that it hurts" equal "therefore, the federal government should jam it down everyone's fucking throats?"
I bet the rest of your politics don't look like this.
"If people are actually keen to have non-GMO foods and a market exists for those people why not simply label all other food as GMO free to appease that market?"
That's actually what is happening, but I bet you'll see the big companies find ways to slip GMOs into that via some backdoor.
I'll ask again: why does democracy have to be overruled nationwide, if some state or city wants to force labeling on GMO products? Why is that the business of the feds?
For the record: I think some GMO stuff is great, and I think some GMO stuff is kinda shady. I don't inherently fear GMO foods, and some of them I actually want (that cool vitamin-A rice, for instance). But I'd love it if the laws said it had to be labelled, and I think that any company that is applying as much political pressure as it can to hide what it puts in our food supply is pretty much guaranteed to be villainous, full stop.
Generally if you follow links to there you can be safe. As a community though, it's wildly schizo. Their front page seems ok, subreddits devoted to specific video games or hobbies seem pretty solid, but goodness thar be dragons just off that map.
Is that even true?
The defaults are visible to people not logged in on the main page, so in effect they are the "real" reddit that is visible to the universe from the front page. Further, they end up with a much larger buy-in from the userbase than the others.
I think this is just one of the many screwy things with reddit- if you pick just the content you are interested in, you get custom information that presumably you are interested in, and if you don't do that, you have access to all these high traffic things. Meanwhile, by picking your sub-boards yourself you shield yourself from other views that you might need to interact with from more than one point of view. I just think the whole thing is kinda dorked up, with no correct answer.
They will at least support custom layouts, but not at launch. So I'll look into it then.
But I will say this- the idea of holding a function key to get to the rest of the keyboard buttons is a terrible one. Chording has some purpose, but here it really seems bad. Do you want Alt + Tab to become Alt + Function + tilde?
Nice design. If they add more keys to it natively later it might be worth looking into. Honestly, I'd love a keyboard that has good quality and doesn't enforce that ludicrous Qwerty stuff. Sure, sure, touch typing, but it would be great to have the keys do what they say instead of being all lies (unless you use a really old or featureless keyboard).
Didn't you read the post? Margin too small. That's an unambiguous and accepted reason in mathematics.
This would fail for technical reasons. You could transform any piece of encrypted text into a larger piece of text that appears unencrypted, and this would happen just about immediately.
Can you set an EOL date in the past? Maybe by a decade, give or take a bit? If causality doesn't currently permit that, we should look into patching this functionality into reality as a special case.