You are aware that they do not care if the data is on the HD of your device? They want to access the data or use it to incriminate you. If they are at that stage, they already know you have it somewhere.
Depending on the country you are in, they can make your life a living hell if you don't hand it over.
What is discussed here are technical solutions to social problems. They do not work. They never work.
In Belgium if you want a credit ANY credit, they will look at the National Bank on how much you already have in credits and loans. They will ask for an official paper of your income of the last two months. They also have info about other costs, like rent.
So now they can see what your income is and what your expenses are and they will see if you are allowed that credit or not. If you disrespect that, the customer does not need to pay anything back. Yes, ALL of the money does not need to be paid back.
If you have a bad payment with a credit company, it will be mentioned and you will not be able to get any credit or loan and it could even mean all current credits will be blocked. So no payment on your car loan? You credit cards will be blocked.
Most of this is automated. Each company will have minor differences on how to calculate it, depending also on the type of credit. There will however be no prepping.
The only way to get a credit when you are not allowed to get a credit is fraud. And obviously then the company is not responsible if they can proof that they did everything to detect fraud. If an employee would do fraud so he can get his commission, he will most likely not only loose his job, but might be held responsible for the money as well.
The major reasons for not getting a credit are: 1) Blacklisted on the National Bank 2) No regular income (e.g. working as a temp or just 1 or 2 months at a company) 3) Not enough income for the credit you ask 4) No valid ID (Obligatory in Belgium)
It is free to check if an ID has been notified as stolen (online). If you do not do that check, you are responsible.
Sometimes people try to shop around, but most likely if one says no, they all will say no (for the same amount).
Solutions can be to close unused credit cards and other credits.
Although not perfect, it is pretty good. When doing a check at the BNB, the credit company will be able to identify his own credits and only the money from the others and the type of credit, but not the company.
The thing is, you do not really have unions. You have something closer to a guild. In Belgium I can go to any of the three larger unions and join, regardless of where I work or what my profession is. There are also some smaller unions who are just in one company (e.g. rail) or in one sort of industry (e.g. teachers)
So in the end you have the choice of going to the union that you want.
Companies with more than 50 employees are forced to have a union representative by law. I also do not have to say if I am with a union or not. Nobody cares if I am in a union or not.
People will be treated identical, regardless if you are in a union or not. People care so little that I even have no idea if my direct cow orkers are in a union and if sop which one.
This reminds me of a hack that happened a few years ago in Belgium. Some people claimed he was not really hacking, just using a known flaw (IIRC). His reply was that that makes it even WORSE. If a non-hacker can get into the system, it does not make the "hacker" smarter, it makes the defense more stooped.
It was not an invasion of his backyard. It was an invasion of his privacy. Yes, there is a HUGE difference.
For all what is possible, he might never have invaded the backyard.
This is like some guy climbing a tree across the street to look at a girl undress (then gets hit by a car and some people ends up back in the future, or whatever)
I am aware that privacy as it is seen in Europe is different from how it is seen in the USofA. The rough idea is In Europe: Everything is private, unless it is public In the USofA: Everything is public, unless it is private
So to me the invasion of his privacy is more important than the invasion of his property (that might never have taken place)
Hey, they have tried to solve the drug issue. Perhaps they could start a 'war on botnets' because that seems to help.
Or people need to realize that crimes will be committed as long as people (think) they get money out of it. Realize that crime is a social problem and you will not solve it with a technical solution.
As far as I know, the software at launch is safe. Yes, there will be some zero-day hacks and even those who are not patched.
The real issue is however people clicking on ThisIsNotAVirus.exe.pdf or what not.
So most is Trojans and not virusses. Microsoft also issues patches.
Car comparison time: A car company makes a car with an error. They find an error and recall the car. Microsoft makes software and an error is found. They make updates available.
If my car is vurlerable for not breaking and thus killing people and I decide not to taker the time to get it repaired, who is at fault?
And by no means am I a MS fanboy. If they KNOWINGLY leave out security issues AND those are the ones abused (and yes, that also happens) then by all means they should be held responsible. But I am against the nanny state that tells me there is no responsibility on the side of the user by default.
So it is only part of the problem. I am sure people would click on NotAVisus.sh that then demands their root password just so they can see som celebrity nekid. No need to blame Linus for that.
And all that warrants how the police got involved with this? Times have changed. When I was in school, I had to stand in the corner, got send to the principal or was suspended if I disobeyd the teachers and was disruptive.
OK. So the kid was race-baiting and made them believe he had a bomb. I can believe that.
So then why was the school not evacuated? Why did the teacher keep this dangerous device in her desk? So eithe she thought is was a bomb and handled incorrectly by keeping the danger with the other kids, or she thought it was not a bomb and overreacted by calling the cops.
If it was race baiting, why did she fall for it? They could handle it by suspending the boy or whatever after making it clear that race-baiting is not allowed.
I care more about the spying. Because if I get cancer, I die and that is it. If they are allowed to spy, the whole society gets cancer and then that society dies.
That is what they mean with "Give me liberty or give me death."
It is a pity that you think you are more important than the society that you are part of. The fact that you choose between the two means you allow them to spy. They will spy on you. They will spy on your kids. They will go further and dictate what you can and can not do.
And all this because the risk of cancer might be a little bit higher compared to what you inhale in NYC right now?
When a mobster asks you what knee you want to be taken away, does not mean there is a choice. You should say NEITHER!
But please: do not say you are less worries about spying, because that makes it discusable. That makes me want to negotiate terms. And the terms of spying should not start with wether or not it will give you cancer. It should start with NEVER!
1) It will be used to start looking for a plausable cause. e.g. if they see you have something in your car that you should not have, they will stop you, say they smelled beer and do a seach and then find whatever they saw in the first time without all the problems of proving that is ho they found it.
2) It is to keep people safe. If some people get killed, so be it. The people are safer, because we say they are safer
3) Your privacy is invaded. That has been clear. The thing is that nobody realy cares enough or is powerfull enough to change it. It is like the bully in school. "Stop hitting yourself." We all know what is going on, but nobody does anything.
4) It is necessary because they say it is. The people pay, but those are not the ones they protect and serve.
5) The point goes back many years to at least pre-9/11 but it goes back much, much further. McArthy-era would be a good guess, yet I would not be surprised it started even sooner. WWII and what was done to people from Japanese decent is also a good starting point.
Whenever I hear people defend these kind of things, one quote comes to mind and it is scary how relistic it is: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like "honor", "code", "loyalty". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!
Just re-read it again and it is scary how real this is for police in general where the 80% protects the 10% bad cops and trows out the 10% good cops all in an Omerta way. http://i.imgur.com/GsVKjgA.jpg As long as they do not care for those who ACTUALLY protect and serve the public, how do you think they will start caring about the general public?
It depends on the situation. The car is efficient with availability. It is right there. However when I want to drive to work, public transport wins for me.
Instead of 2 hours in the car, it is one hour with public transport and I calculate from my desk at home to my desk at work. So not regarding money, I gain 2 hours per day. Also my work pays 100% of the public transport I take. Not uncommon in Belgium.
OTOH when I want to do shopping at the weekend; public transport will cost two times as much as using the car.
So for those 5-10% I use car sharing. Not as efficient as owning a car when looking at time, because I have to walk 5 minutes and 5 minuts back and 5 minutes driving back to the parking place, so with each use I loose 15 minutes.
However my cost is around 35EUR per month, including insurance, taxes, fuel and what not. That instead of the 200 I had to pay per month before (exluding fuel, including devaluation of the car)
It is cheaper than a taxi, as you take out the human cost, so I can easily see this being replaced by self driving cars.
I do live in a city where public transport is good.
A first fine is almost always ridiculous. This is not about revenge. This is about not letting it happen again.
If I drive through a red light, I get a fine that I can easily pay. If it happens the second time, it is a bit more and the third time I will seriously feel it.
For me it is an apropritate fine. I disagree with all the "we should have them pay so much they go bankrupt." That is not a fine, that is an excecution and has no results in the end.
Because if that would be the case, no crimes would be commited in countries that have a death penalty. Just kill everything that does something wrong? Kill the company in this case? Nope.
I am against huge companies, but what does this have to do with big aviation companies? They have not missed the market, because it is not their market.
Just go to http://hobbyking.com/ and you can order a quadcopter (or drone) in pieces and build it yourself.
Buy a FPV set and add it. Or build a plane yourself, add sole componenets and you are ready.
Now look into long range FPV and you will find that most of them are home made. 25 miles is not uncommon as a distance.
This also exists already since several years. It is just that it is now easier to buy and to fly that has changed.
In Belgium you do not get any severance pay. Howeber what most companies do is instead of letting you stay for the 3 or more months, they will let you go sooner or even imediately.
That way many confuse the money they get with severance pay. It is 'just' time you do not need to get into the office AND can start working at another company AND they pay it out all at once.
That said, if they require me to be available for 2 years, than they better pay me something. If I were an asshole, I could even not come in, wait till the two years are over, go to court, claiming I was still working for them and probably get away with it, so they need to pay me those two years+ all extra costs.
Script kiddies. Even if the provider doesn't block ports, all email should be rightfully be blocked as there is no Reversed DNS. And by all things practical, a reversed DNS is only possible with a fixed IP.
And that is only for outgoing email. Letting incoming email depend on a non-fixed IP could lead to serious problems. I could mean somebody else receives your email on your (previous) IP address.
Also: if the provider leaver port 25 open for non-fixed IP addresses (we are unable to run an email server, because they do not get reversed IP) it opens the ports for a shitload of extra spam from people who have no idea on how to close their server as a relay server.
I was a script kiddie, played with it to learn and now I don't have incoming mail and use my provider for outgoing mail.
Is it not becuase they only have one moon and one sun? No wonder they are unable to share if they think there is only one of each.
Because, they will think you can steal the one sun and even remove that one moon, but there is one thing you can't take: You can't take the sky from me. Take my love Take my land Take me where I cannot stand I don't care I'm still free You can't take the sky from me
If people would spend 50% more on TCO, the cars would already be able to last longer. Now for a t-shirt or similar, things are different.
Will a t-shirt that is 50% more expensive last 50% more? And would that matter? People seldom wear their clothes till they are not wearable anymore.
The same goes for other things, like phones. On average people buy a new phone every 15 months. Very seldom people drive their cars till really then end, but rather buy a new one every 3 or 4 years.
There is a race to the bottom that is fueled by the want to have something new every X time.
The thing is that the people who sold the sign told the buyer that it said something different and even where the first sign said "Go away" over time they have just changed the sign on your door.
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You are aware that they do not care if the data is on the HD of your device? They want to access the data or use it to incriminate you. If they are at that stage, they already know you have it somewhere.
Depending on the country you are in, they can make your life a living hell if you don't hand it over.
What is discussed here are technical solutions to social problems. They do not work. They never work.
In Belgium if you want a credit ANY credit, they will look at the National Bank on how much you already have in credits and loans.
They will ask for an official paper of your income of the last two months. They also have info about other costs, like rent.
So now they can see what your income is and what your expenses are and they will see if you are allowed that credit or not. If you disrespect that, the customer does not need to pay anything back. Yes, ALL of the money does not need to be paid back.
If you have a bad payment with a credit company, it will be mentioned and you will not be able to get any credit or loan and it could even mean all current credits will be blocked. So no payment on your car loan? You credit cards will be blocked.
Most of this is automated. Each company will have minor differences on how to calculate it, depending also on the type of credit. There will however be no prepping.
The only way to get a credit when you are not allowed to get a credit is fraud. And obviously then the company is not responsible if they can proof that they did everything to detect fraud.
If an employee would do fraud so he can get his commission, he will most likely not only loose his job, but might be held responsible for the money as well.
The major reasons for not getting a credit are:
1) Blacklisted on the National Bank
2) No regular income (e.g. working as a temp or just 1 or 2 months at a company)
3) Not enough income for the credit you ask
4) No valid ID (Obligatory in Belgium)
It is free to check if an ID has been notified as stolen (online). If you do not do that check, you are responsible.
Sometimes people try to shop around, but most likely if one says no, they all will say no (for the same amount).
Solutions can be to close unused credit cards and other credits.
Although not perfect, it is pretty good. When doing a check at the BNB, the credit company will be able to identify his own credits and only the money from the others and the type of credit, but not the company.
You saw the sales guy almost crying? Acting!
The thing is, you do not really have unions. You have something closer to a guild.
In Belgium I can go to any of the three larger unions and join, regardless of where I work or what my profession is. There are also some smaller unions who are just in one company (e.g. rail) or in one sort of industry (e.g. teachers)
So in the end you have the choice of going to the union that you want.
Companies with more than 50 employees are forced to have a union representative by law. I also do not have to say if I am with a union or not. Nobody cares if I am in a union or not.
People will be treated identical, regardless if you are in a union or not. People care so little that I even have no idea if my direct cow orkers are in a union and if sop which one.
This reminds me of a hack that happened a few years ago in Belgium. Some people claimed he was not really hacking, just using a known flaw (IIRC). His reply was that that makes it even WORSE. If a non-hacker can get into the system, it does not make the "hacker" smarter, it makes the defense more stooped.
It was not an invasion of his backyard. It was an invasion of his privacy. Yes, there is a HUGE difference.
For all what is possible, he might never have invaded the backyard.
This is like some guy climbing a tree across the street to look at a girl undress (then gets hit by a car and some people ends up back in the future, or whatever)
I am aware that privacy as it is seen in Europe is different from how it is seen in the USofA.
The rough idea is
In Europe: Everything is private, unless it is public
In the USofA: Everything is public, unless it is private
So to me the invasion of his privacy is more important than the invasion of his property (that might never have taken place)
Hey, they have tried to solve the drug issue. Perhaps they could start a 'war on botnets' because that seems to help.
Or people need to realize that crimes will be committed as long as people (think) they get money out of it. Realize that crime is a social problem and you will not solve it with a technical solution.
As far as I know, the software at launch is safe. Yes, there will be some zero-day hacks and even those who are not patched.
The real issue is however people clicking on ThisIsNotAVirus.exe.pdf or what not.
So most is Trojans and not virusses. Microsoft also issues patches.
Car comparison time:
A car company makes a car with an error. They find an error and recall the car.
Microsoft makes software and an error is found. They make updates available.
If my car is vurlerable for not breaking and thus killing people and I decide not to taker the time to get it repaired, who is at fault?
And by no means am I a MS fanboy. If they KNOWINGLY leave out security issues AND those are the ones abused (and yes, that also happens) then by all means they should be held responsible. But I am against the nanny state that tells me there is no responsibility on the side of the user by default.
So it is only part of the problem. I am sure people would click on NotAVisus.sh that then demands their root password just so they can see som celebrity nekid. No need to blame Linus for that.
There was no monopoly position here. Otherwise the other company would not be allowed to offer the 1USD pill
And all that warrants how the police got involved with this? Times have changed. When I was in school, I had to stand in the corner, got send to the principal or was suspended if I disobeyd the teachers and was disruptive.
The media does not care if they got played. People watched. Ads were sold.
OK. So the kid was race-baiting and made them believe he had a bomb. I can believe that.
So then why was the school not evacuated? Why did the teacher keep this dangerous device in her desk? So eithe she thought is was a bomb and handled incorrectly by keeping the danger with the other kids, or she thought it was not a bomb and overreacted by calling the cops.
If it was race baiting, why did she fall for it? They could handle it by suspending the boy or whatever after making it clear that race-baiting is not allowed.
I care more about the spying. Because if I get cancer, I die and that is it. If they are allowed to spy, the whole society gets cancer and then that society dies.
That is what they mean with "Give me liberty or give me death."
It is a pity that you think you are more important than the society that you are part of. The fact that you choose between the two means you allow them to spy. They will spy on you. They will spy on your kids. They will go further and dictate what you can and can not do.
And all this because the risk of cancer might be a little bit higher compared to what you inhale in NYC right now?
When a mobster asks you what knee you want to be taken away, does not mean there is a choice. You should say NEITHER!
But please: do not say you are less worries about spying, because that makes it discusable. That makes me want to negotiate terms. And the terms of spying should not start with wether or not it will give you cancer. It should start with NEVER!
1) It will be used to start looking for a plausable cause. e.g. if they see you have something in your car that you should not have, they will stop you, say they smelled beer and do a seach and then find whatever they saw in the first time without all the problems of proving that is ho they found it.
2) It is to keep people safe. If some people get killed, so be it. The people are safer, because we say they are safer
3) Your privacy is invaded. That has been clear. The thing is that nobody realy cares enough or is powerfull enough to change it. It is like the bully in school. "Stop hitting yourself." We all know what is going on, but nobody does anything.
4) It is necessary because they say it is. The people pay, but those are not the ones they protect and serve.
5) The point goes back many years to at least pre-9/11 but it goes back much, much further. McArthy-era would be a good guess, yet I would not be surprised it started even sooner. WWII and what was done to people from Japanese decent is also a good starting point.
Whenever I hear people defend these kind of things, one quote comes to mind and it is scary how relistic it is:
You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg?
I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.
We use words like "honor", "code", "loyalty". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it!
I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!
Just re-read it again and it is scary how real this is for police in general where the 80% protects the 10% bad cops and trows out the 10% good cops all in an Omerta way. http://i.imgur.com/GsVKjgA.jpg
As long as they do not care for those who ACTUALLY protect and serve the public, how do you think they will start caring about the general public?
It depends on the situation. The car is efficient with availability. It is right there. However when I want to drive to work, public transport wins for me.
Instead of 2 hours in the car, it is one hour with public transport and I calculate from my desk at home to my desk at work. So not regarding money, I gain 2 hours per day. Also my work pays 100% of the public transport I take. Not uncommon in Belgium.
OTOH when I want to do shopping at the weekend; public transport will cost two times as much as using the car.
So for those 5-10% I use car sharing. Not as efficient as owning a car when looking at time, because I have to walk 5 minutes and 5 minuts back and 5 minutes driving back to the parking place, so with each use I loose 15 minutes.
However my cost is around 35EUR per month, including insurance, taxes, fuel and what not. That instead of the 200 I had to pay per month before (exluding fuel, including devaluation of the car)
It is cheaper than a taxi, as you take out the human cost, so I can easily see this being replaced by self driving cars.
I do live in a city where public transport is good.
A first fine is almost always ridiculous. This is not about revenge. This is about not letting it happen again.
If I drive through a red light, I get a fine that I can easily pay. If it happens the second time, it is a bit more and the third time I will seriously feel it.
For me it is an apropritate fine. I disagree with all the "we should have them pay so much they go bankrupt." That is not a fine, that is an excecution and has no results in the end.
Because if that would be the case, no crimes would be commited in countries that have a death penalty. Just kill everything that does something wrong? Kill the company in this case? Nope.
As a European who has visited the US recently, I wouldn't be surprised.
I am against huge companies, but what does this have to do with big aviation companies? They have not missed the market, because it is not their market.
Just go to http://hobbyking.com/ and you can order a quadcopter (or drone) in pieces and build it yourself.
Buy a FPV set and add it. Or build a plane yourself, add sole componenets and you are ready.
Now look into long range FPV and you will find that most of them are home made. 25 miles is not uncommon as a distance.
This also exists already since several years. It is just that it is now easier to buy and to fly that has changed.
Why the excuse? "No!" should be sufficient. As I do not work for that company anymore, that isn't unreasonable.
What if another random company where you do not work calls?
In Belgium you do not get any severance pay. Howeber what most companies do is instead of letting you stay for the 3 or more months, they will let you go sooner or even imediately.
That way many confuse the money they get with severance pay. It is 'just' time you do not need to get into the office AND can start working at another company AND they pay it out all at once.
That said, if they require me to be available for 2 years, than they better pay me something. If I were an asshole, I could even not come in, wait till the two years are over, go to court, claiming I was still working for them and probably get away with it, so they need to pay me those two years+ all extra costs.
Script kiddies. Even if the provider doesn't block ports, all email should be rightfully be blocked as there is no Reversed DNS. And by all things practical, a reversed DNS is only possible with a fixed IP.
And that is only for outgoing email. Letting incoming email depend on a non-fixed IP could lead to serious problems. I could mean somebody else receives your email on your (previous) IP address.
Also: if the provider leaver port 25 open for non-fixed IP addresses (we are unable to run an email server, because they do not get reversed IP) it opens the ports for a shitload of extra spam from people who have no idea on how to close their server as a relay server.
I was a script kiddie, played with it to learn and now I don't have incoming mail and use my provider for outgoing mail.
Is it not becuase they only have one moon and one sun? No wonder they are unable to share if they think there is only one of each.
Because, they will think you can steal the one sun and even remove that one moon, but there is one thing you can't take:
You can't take the sky from me.
Take my love
Take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care
I'm still free
You can't take the sky from me
If people would spend 50% more on TCO, the cars would already be able to last longer. Now for a t-shirt or similar, things are different.
Will a t-shirt that is 50% more expensive last 50% more? And would that matter? People seldom wear their clothes till they are not wearable anymore.
The same goes for other things, like phones. On average people buy a new phone every 15 months. Very seldom people drive their cars till really then end, but rather buy a new one every 3 or 4 years.
There is a race to the bottom that is fueled by the want to have something new every X time.
Murphy or Darwin. You decide.
The thing is that the people who sold the sign told the buyer that it said something different and even where the first sign said "Go away" over time they have just changed the sign on your door.