I have a different name... Call it 'stupid'... "Hey I got my new dvd which has been encoded with stupid." "Oh, isn't that the nice new clever way to protect the very significant investment in technology by the media companies?" "Yep, or stupid for short." "Yeah, that's a much more clear and concise way to describe it." "DRM seemed much to vague. It also seemed like it was too difficult to crack." "Yeah, with stupid, it clearly describes both the reasoning and the encryption algorithm." "I'm glad - it's good for consumers, good for the media companies, clear all the way around."
I have a different name...
Call it 'stupid'...
"Hey I got my new dvd which has been encoded with stupid."
"Oh, isn't that the nice new clever way to protect the very significant investment in technology by the media companies?"
"Yep, or stupid for short."
"Yeah, that's a much more clear and concise way to describe it."
"DRM seemed much to vague. It also seemed like it was too difficult to crack."
"Yeah, with stupid, it clearly describes both the reasoning and the encryption algorithm."
"I'm glad - it's good for consumers, good for the media companies, clear all the way around."
For those who actually want to know about JavaFX instead of saying - Java is slow or applets suck or even worse, JavaScript is insecure or something else irrelevant...
Here is the project FAQ
It is going to be some kind of open source and going to be developed for both desktops and mobile phones as well as for the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD stuff which already has Java built-in to the standards.
Also from what I understand it is build off of a project called F3 and work from a recent purchase by Sun called savaje that makes Java software for cell phones. So it's uniting a lot of efforts that have been in the works. To say that this is just a rehash of applets of the '90s is fairly naive.
What about *any* company's willingness to turn over information to the US Government or the FBI? If they subpoena Google or your own company, what does it matter at that point if you're using it for your company's purposes?
What if the said web applications were just the applications and all of your data were stored on your own computer or you were given the choice to store all of the data on your own computer.
What if the company never had any mechanism for its employees to be able to retrieve any of its users data, only the user could, such as for credit card information, encrypting it and only decrypting it for the user when the user is logged in.
I also think the work that the w3 has done in making the DOM persistent in the application which is being developed into Firefox 3 is really cool, which will make stuff like google apps fully usable offline.
I believe it's really truly short-sighted to say that web applications cannot replace desktop applications. I believe that they can and 'web applications' is really just a term that will be replaced as the line between web and desktop apps gets fuzzier as the standards and apps develop more around a more online model.
I really don't think the OSS community knows what they have in OpenOffice. A free and pretty complete office suite for free - no advertisements or strings or demos or popups or whatever attached. That's pretty cool for home users that just want a simple office system - that's what MS works and AppleWorks was really intended for in the first place. If that's no reward then I'll eat my hat.
"Magic interoperable DRM would give people all the features and capabilities they get with DRM-free media."
I'm not saying that I have an answer to the industry's dilemma in trying to protect their content. As a big music fan, I would really like no restriction and would love to see corroborated and sound research that says that having no restrictions is good for business in the long run, but I can see how this would trouble an person trying to sell something.
That said, I still can't understand how an industry in good conscience can have "selling the same content over and over and over again to the same people" built into their business model. I really don't see how they can even defend that.
I don't think it's beyond Microsoft to mess with Apple at the end of their Vista development to make them look bad and try to take market share with their own media player. That's what they've been doing for years in different and subtle ways anyway.
After thinking about what I wrote, I apologize to the parent. I do get frustrated being lumped into a category, but I didn't have to be a wise guy about it.
The Southern Baptist Convention has creationism. On Slashdot, we have porn.
No, on Slashdot, there is a depraved vocal minority that wants to feel like they are okay objectifying women in selfish, addictive, and animal-like ways.
I'm not a Baptist; I'm just getting tired of the stereotype that techies are perverts and that if you belong to that *club* that makes porn acceptable.
What happened to the techie that had a sister or a mother or a cute little daughter and wanted to protect them from exploitation?
One solution that I've seen as a preference in some ad blocking programs would be to download but don't display ads. I doubt that Yahoo detects whether the ad is actually displayed, but more likely whether it was downloaded.
I wonder what would happen if a subscriber didn't update their credit card info once their card expires to let the account lapse.
In a related note, that very thing happened with me with Gold's Gym - my credit card lapsed and I had moved after college. I got a hold of them about the account after finding negative marks on my credit report. I paid the rest of my contract but they didn't tell me that after my contract was completed, I went to automatic monthly renewal. They also didn't tell me that I couldn't cancel that automatic renewal over the phone, neither could I go in person into one of their local locations. I tried to do both of these, visiting their gym when on vacation because I lived in another state at the time. For the phone cancellation, they said that they worried that some joker might cancel my account for me over the phone. I couldn't cancel at one of their locations because they just didn't cancel an account there...which was odd because a whole gaggle of tanned/manicured individuals were there to *create* accounts for people. I had to fax in a signed statement to their corporate offices (for that set of gyms) saying that I wanted to cancel my account.
So, not only did I have to pay for 6 months of gym "service" while living out of state because they had put me on automatic renewal, more bad credit stuff showed up on my credit report.
When I talked to them on the phone about the whole deal, they politely (sarcasm) responded that automatic renewal was in the contract so it was my own fault. So when I moved back to the state where the account was, I opted to avoid their gym like a basket full of snakes and spiders.
Let's give it up for self-serving companies who go to great lengths to sign people up but have to be threatened with legal action or with a public relations campaign to improve their practices in order to avoid destroying their own customers' credit. Btw, I know a guy whose credit was actually completely ruined by that same chain of Gold's Gyms - which btw is in the Salt Lake and Provo/Orem areas of Utah.
If I am a web app developer, sure something might be easy to use, but who gets blamed if security is breached - me.
Why would I want to use a language whose governing body decides that it's not worth fixing architectural security problems and leaves the burden to me as a developer? I have enough to worry about with deadlines, bureaucracy, Microsoft, the RIAA, RSI, IRS, etc.:-)
Sure you take the good with the bad with any programming language, but I think they might be shooting themselves in the foot if the outgoing security guy's statements are accurate.
All the customers were 'rejoicing' until the gcc and other foundational software went to gpl 3 and Novell had to fork off their own version because their gcc is not gpl 3 compliant.
It's interesting that they should mention PhD *candidates*. I remember a couple of years ago a story that said that Google had as many PhDs working for them as Microsoft, that's people who already have a PhD.
I'm not trying to downplay their investment for research, but it's an interesting distinction and I'm pretty sure if the story I read was accurate a couple of years ago, then Google has far more actual PhDs than Microsoft at this point.
But then again who cares...
Sometimes I just wish they would give up and let the rest of the world develop decent software.
Well Safari is not tied to the operating system, especially the kernel, the way that IE is. Safari is very modular and separate. Besides that, there's nothing like Active X on the Mac to exploit. So as a security concern, it is lightyears away from Internet Explorer.
That's not to say that a Mac is immune, but just that Safari is much more detached from the OS than IE is.
Any technology that uses in its description BOTH Artificial Intelligence AND a buzzword like Web 3.0 is suspect from the get go. I just remember taking AI classes in college and things like genetic algorithms, neural networks, and optimal brain damage. Those name sound so exotic and some of them actually do some cool things, but the names seemed mostly so exotic in order to secure funding. Maybe that was my warped perception, but if I were giving out grants, I would likely go for cooler sounding things like advances in genetic algorithms than to something like "a new way to use statistical regression in computers."
Ah well, fight on AI agents. There's nothing cooler than advances in AI, even if they don't make much of a difference ultimately.
The linux and open source community needs to stay together. Microsoft is very effective with their divide and conquer strategy. They did that with Java by breaking their contract with Sun and settling later. That postponed momentum in the desktop Java app market. They seem to be trying to gain face with the open source community and trying to divide the *community* itself. I like the tagging of *itsatrap* for many of the Microsoft stories because I think it's pretty much always appropriate. They are a company not known for transparency (ahem playsforsure) and plenty of underhanded tactics. I don't know what Novell was thinking honestly.
It's interesting that they come just short of taking credit for tabbed browsing.
From the wikipedia article:
Web browsers are notable for implementing this kind of interface (called tabbed browsing). BookLink Technologies pioneered this interface design in its InternetWorks browser in 1994. Independently, the founders of Opera built an MDI-based browser in the same year (via a technical preview not available publicly; a public release was made in 1996). The tabbed interface approach was then followed by the Internet Explorer shell NetCaptor in 1997.
So how does anything in that section say anything about Microsoft except that someone at NetCaptor followed BookLink Technologies and Opera after they made tabbed browsers. Even if they could claim that NetCaptor was first, how does Microsoft have anything to do with that?
That's if any operating system was not prone to vulnerabilities. It seems to me that despite anyone's best efforts, there are going to have an insecure operating system. The question arises how to deal with those vulnerabilities. Independent security companies make sense for certain types of vulnerabilities. Is linux completely secure, no, but they have a patching mechnism right now. Is Mac OS 10.x completely secure, no, but they have a patching mechanism and symantec does make NAV for it. I'm not sure that one can make the argument that independent security companies would not exist and make software if the operating system were architected better.
I should have also listed this link which lists all of the scripting languages that have at least some hooks already in Java and that are going to be affected by the new scripting specification.
"Looks like Sun doesn't want to lose out in the race in supporting dynamic languages."
I'm glad that Sun is taking more steps to make sure that the scripting support in the upcoming version of Java is decent. One thing that is kind of ironic about the first part of your statement is that Microsoft hired the Jython creator - hence Jython came first. I don't think a lot of people realize that Jython has been out for so long.
One reason I'm glad that they hired those two Ruby developers is that if you're going to implement an entire language within the JVM, make it complete and up to date - none of this - "Well we're 4 versions behind the current version of the language, but *it's in the virtual machine*!"
Also, the stated goal of the scripting support in the upcoming version of Java is to allow scripting languages to make calls to the Java backend - specifically if you have a php front end of a website and you have a Java backend, then it will become easier to connect the two. Not only that, but they're making a specification pretty open to any scripting languange.
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I have a different name...
Call it 'stupid'...
"Hey I got my new dvd which has been encoded with stupid."
"Oh, isn't that the nice new clever way to protect the very significant investment in technology by the media companies?"
"Yep, or stupid for short."
"Yeah, that's a much more clear and concise way to describe it."
"DRM seemed much to vague. It also seemed like it was too difficult to crack."
"Yeah, with stupid, it clearly describes both the reasoning and the encryption algorithm."
"I'm glad - it's good for consumers, good for the media companies, clear all the way around."
I have a different name... Call it 'stupid'... "Hey I got my new dvd which has been encoded with stupid." "Oh, isn't that the nice new clever way to protect the very significant investment in technology by the media companies?" "Yep, or stupid for short." "Yeah, that's a much more clear and concise way to describe it." "DRM seemed much to vague. It also seemed like it was too difficult to crack." "Yeah, with stupid, it clearly describes both the reasoning and the encryption algorithm." "I'm glad - it's good for consumers, good for the media companies, clear all the way around."
That's strange... for some reason my number is 404...
For those who actually want to know about JavaFX instead of saying - Java is slow or applets suck or even worse, JavaScript is insecure or something else irrelevant...
Here is the project FAQ
It is going to be some kind of open source and going to be developed for both desktops and mobile phones as well as for the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD stuff which already has Java built-in to the standards.
Also from what I understand it is build off of a project called F3 and work from a recent purchase by Sun called savaje that makes Java software for cell phones. So it's uniting a lot of efforts that have been in the works. To say that this is just a rehash of applets of the '90s is fairly naive.
Spare cycles power families, political involvement, and communities.
What about *any* company's willingness to turn over information to the US Government or the FBI? If they subpoena Google or your own company, what does it matter at that point if you're using it for your company's purposes?
What if the said web applications were just the applications and all of your data were stored on your own computer or you were given the choice to store all of the data on your own computer.
What if the company never had any mechanism for its employees to be able to retrieve any of its users data, only the user could, such as for credit card information, encrypting it and only decrypting it for the user when the user is logged in.
I also think the work that the w3 has done in making the DOM persistent in the application which is being developed into Firefox 3 is really cool, which will make stuff like google apps fully usable offline.
I believe it's really truly short-sighted to say that web applications cannot replace desktop applications. I believe that they can and 'web applications' is really just a term that will be replaced as the line between web and desktop apps gets fuzzier as the standards and apps develop more around a more online model.
Why go through the hassle with no reward?
I really don't think the OSS community knows what they have in OpenOffice. A free and pretty complete office suite for free - no advertisements or strings or demos or popups or whatever attached. That's pretty cool for home users that just want a simple office system - that's what MS works and AppleWorks was really intended for in the first place. If that's no reward then I'll eat my hat.
"Magic interoperable DRM would give people all the features and capabilities they get with DRM-free media."
I'm not saying that I have an answer to the industry's dilemma in trying to protect their content. As a big music fan, I would really like no restriction and would love to see corroborated and sound research that says that having no restrictions is good for business in the long run, but I can see how this would trouble an person trying to sell something.
That said, I still can't understand how an industry in good conscience can have "selling the same content over and over and over again to the same people" built into their business model. I really don't see how they can even defend that.
I don't think it's beyond Microsoft to mess with Apple at the end of their Vista development to make them look bad and try to take market share with their own media player. That's what they've been doing for years in different and subtle ways anyway.
After thinking about what I wrote, I apologize to the parent. I do get frustrated being lumped into a category, but I didn't have to be a wise guy about it.
Re: the parent's sig:
The Southern Baptist Convention has creationism. On Slashdot, we have porn.
No, on Slashdot, there is a depraved vocal minority that wants to feel like they are okay objectifying women in selfish, addictive, and animal-like ways.
I'm not a Baptist; I'm just getting tired of the stereotype that techies are perverts and that if you belong to that *club* that makes porn acceptable.
What happened to the techie that had a sister or a mother or a cute little daughter and wanted to protect them from exploitation?
One solution that I've seen as a preference in some ad blocking programs would be to download but don't display ads. I doubt that Yahoo detects whether the ad is actually displayed, but more likely whether it was downloaded.
I wonder what would happen if a subscriber didn't update their credit card info once their card expires to let the account lapse.
In a related note, that very thing happened with me with Gold's Gym - my credit card lapsed and I had moved after college. I got a hold of them about the account after finding negative marks on my credit report. I paid the rest of my contract but they didn't tell me that after my contract was completed, I went to automatic monthly renewal. They also didn't tell me that I couldn't cancel that automatic renewal over the phone, neither could I go in person into one of their local locations. I tried to do both of these, visiting their gym when on vacation because I lived in another state at the time. For the phone cancellation, they said that they worried that some joker might cancel my account for me over the phone. I couldn't cancel at one of their locations because they just didn't cancel an account there...which was odd because a whole gaggle of tanned/manicured individuals were there to *create* accounts for people. I had to fax in a signed statement to their corporate offices (for that set of gyms) saying that I wanted to cancel my account.
So, not only did I have to pay for 6 months of gym "service" while living out of state because they had put me on automatic renewal, more bad credit stuff showed up on my credit report.
When I talked to them on the phone about the whole deal, they politely (sarcasm) responded that automatic renewal was in the contract so it was my own fault. So when I moved back to the state where the account was, I opted to avoid their gym like a basket full of snakes and spiders.
Let's give it up for self-serving companies who go to great lengths to sign people up but have to be threatened with legal action or with a public relations campaign to improve their practices in order to avoid destroying their own customers' credit. Btw, I know a guy whose credit was actually completely ruined by that same chain of Gold's Gyms - which btw is in the Salt Lake and Provo/Orem areas of Utah.
If I am a web app developer, sure something might be easy to use, but who gets blamed if security is breached - me.
:-)
Why would I want to use a language whose governing body decides that it's not worth fixing architectural security problems and leaves the burden to me as a developer? I have enough to worry about with deadlines, bureaucracy, Microsoft, the RIAA, RSI, IRS, etc.
Sure you take the good with the bad with any programming language, but I think they might be shooting themselves in the foot if the outgoing security guy's statements are accurate.
All the customers were 'rejoicing' until the gcc and other foundational software went to gpl 3 and Novell had to fork off their own version because their gcc is not gpl 3 compliant.
But they still have their patent agreement!
It's interesting that they should mention PhD *candidates*. I remember a couple of years ago a story that said that Google had as many PhDs working for them as Microsoft, that's people who already have a PhD.
I'm not trying to downplay their investment for research, but it's an interesting distinction and I'm pretty sure if the story I read was accurate a couple of years ago, then Google has far more actual PhDs than Microsoft at this point.
But then again who cares...
Sometimes I just wish they would give up and let the rest of the world develop decent software.
Well Safari is not tied to the operating system, especially the kernel, the way that IE is. Safari is very modular and separate. Besides that, there's nothing like Active X on the Mac to exploit. So as a security concern, it is lightyears away from Internet Explorer.
That's not to say that a Mac is immune, but just that Safari is much more detached from the OS than IE is.
Any technology that uses in its description BOTH Artificial Intelligence AND a buzzword like Web 3.0 is suspect from the get go. I just remember taking AI classes in college and things like genetic algorithms, neural networks, and optimal brain damage. Those name sound so exotic and some of them actually do some cool things, but the names seemed mostly so exotic in order to secure funding. Maybe that was my warped perception, but if I were giving out grants, I would likely go for cooler sounding things like advances in genetic algorithms than to something like "a new way to use statistical regression in computers."
Ah well, fight on AI agents. There's nothing cooler than advances in AI, even if they don't make much of a difference ultimately.
The linux and open source community needs to stay together. Microsoft is very effective with their divide and conquer strategy. They did that with Java by breaking their contract with Sun and settling later. That postponed momentum in the desktop Java app market. They seem to be trying to gain face with the open source community and trying to divide the *community* itself. I like the tagging of *itsatrap* for many of the Microsoft stories because I think it's pretty much always appropriate. They are a company not known for transparency (ahem playsforsure) and plenty of underhanded tactics. I don't know what Novell was thinking honestly.
It's interesting that they mention Mozilla since a lot of Mozilla's staff is employed at Google.
It's interesting that they come just short of taking credit for tabbed browsing.
From the wikipedia article:
Web browsers are notable for implementing this kind of interface (called tabbed browsing). BookLink Technologies pioneered this interface design in its InternetWorks browser in 1994. Independently, the founders of Opera built an MDI-based browser in the same year (via a technical preview not available publicly; a public release was made in 1996). The tabbed interface approach was then followed by the Internet Explorer shell NetCaptor in 1997.
So how does anything in that section say anything about Microsoft except that someone at NetCaptor followed BookLink Technologies and Opera after they made tabbed browsers. Even if they could claim that NetCaptor was first, how does Microsoft have anything to do with that?
Lame...
</rant>
That's if any operating system was not prone to vulnerabilities. It seems to me that despite anyone's best efforts, there are going to have an insecure operating system. The question arises how to deal with those vulnerabilities. Independent security companies make sense for certain types of vulnerabilities. Is linux completely secure, no, but they have a patching mechnism right now. Is Mac OS 10.x completely secure, no, but they have a patching mechanism and symantec does make NAV for it. I'm not sure that one can make the argument that independent security companies would not exist and make software if the operating system were architected better.
I should have also listed this link which lists all of the scripting languages that have at least some hooks already in Java and that are going to be affected by the new scripting specification.
"Looks like Sun doesn't want to lose out in the race in supporting dynamic languages."
I'm glad that Sun is taking more steps to make sure that the scripting support in the upcoming version of Java is decent. One thing that is kind of ironic about the first part of your statement is that Microsoft hired the Jython creator - hence Jython came first. I don't think a lot of people realize that Jython has been out for so long.
One reason I'm glad that they hired those two Ruby developers is that if you're going to implement an entire language within the JVM, make it complete and up to date - none of this - "Well we're 4 versions behind the current version of the language, but *it's in the virtual machine*!"
Also, the stated goal of the scripting support in the upcoming version of Java is to allow scripting languages to make calls to the Java backend - specifically if you have a php front end of a website and you have a Java backend, then it will become easier to connect the two. Not only that, but they're making a specification pretty open to any scripting languange.