Actually the only place I could find the breakdown was in Word version of their annual report that you can download (it's on page 28). The web site is kind of a big mess anyway.
The numbers you quote look close to what it says for 1999 revenue (the document says $8.59 for OS and 8.68 for Apps).
However, what I was referring to is the operating income which is what they get after taking away costs. So, you can see the profit (both total and the margin) is greater for OS, although it's pretty darn close and a heck of a lot of $$ either way.
"...MS Office is a major cash cow for MS, Windows is a much, much less profitable business."
This has got to be one of the biggest misconceptions about Microsoft. Sure, they won't mind giving up the OS revenue, since it's just a commoditity.
According to their annual report for FY 1999, their operating income was some ~$6,007,000,000 for "Windows Platforms" while the "Productiviy Applications and Developer" category yielded an income of ~$5,568,000,000.
Basically, what it boils down to is that over half their profit is generated from the OS (although this varies from year to year, depending on how much they were spending on OS R&D that year, etc).
Look at http://www.microsoft.com/msft/ar.htm if you want to check this info out for yourself (although who knows how well it will work in non-MS browsers).
I'll be the first to volunteer to handle the puny amount of income an OS spinoff would make.:)
"Using the solution to actually produce unauthorized copies can be ethically good (making backups for your own use), bad (massive pirating), or indifferent (making a mix tape for your friend). "
Hmm this is interesting. So, what you're saying is that whether copying and distributing authorized copies is bad depends on how many people you distribute it to.
Would you mind enlightening the rest of us about the "magic number" of people that you can distribute pirated copies to and still have it be "indifferent."
Maybe if I just steal enough money from the cash register for my own personal use, and not for lots of people, a judge will decide it was ethically "indifferent."
The human power to rationalize is something to behold.
The scary thing about this "thin client" buzz is that PHBs think it's some new great thing. Half the IS managers here are ready to just use Windows Terminal Server to run all our apps. My question is "Why didn't we do this 10 years ago when X terminals were many times cheaper than buying a PC and get the same (or better)functionality?" Some people just don't get it.
Maybe I just don't have as much of an idea of what patterns are for as I thought, but...
Aren't you suppose to have the patterns in mind before you write the code? Going back through already "completed" source code and saying "Oh, look I think that's using a design pattern" seems a tad silly to me.
It's kinda like writing the requirements after the system is done (this often happens to be the way things end up for me, but, hey I'm not proud of it).
If you apply this same argument, there shouldn't be age limits to anything.
I'm not saying this would be a good or bad thing, but do you really want 8-year olds driving a car? After all, 16 isn't that different from 15, 15 from 14, and on down the slippery slope.
Systems aren't always perfect, but at some point lines need to be drawn along some dimensions.
That said, I think it's stupid to try to rely on a rating system to keep games out of kids hands (especially when kids have to use their parents' money to by the stuff in the first place).
It's just the silly argument I have a problem with.
"[speaking in tongues] was a part of the conversion experience for everyone in the book of Acts (the eunuch in chapter 8 is not specifically stated as such, however"
Um, no. I can think of at least a few conversions where it says nothing about speaking in tongues. Besides this term is never really explained adequately in the Bible. I doubt if it had much to do with the mindless babblings that a lot of people do now.
Hey what a great argument, let me just throw out a few more along those lines:
If you don't want to be a victim of genocide, don't be a different religion then me.
If you don't want to get fired, don't be gay/straight/Christian/a Windows lover/(insert name of group you don't like here)
If you don't want to be tried for treason, don't say anything bad about our politicians.
This is (I think) the point the previous poster was trying to make. If some nut wants to have something implanted in him fine, just don't tell me I have to get one.
Most people who run Solaris are interested in have stable, enterprise-class applications.
Sun already owns (or will officially own very shortly) the best product for building these applications in Java-- SynerJ from Forte.
These guys were building cross-platform tremendously stable applications long before Java was around, and they have taken the good parts of their proprietary language and put them into SynerJ. It's seriously so much more advanced in certain areas than other tools, I'll be surprised if Sun keeps any of the other Java development or deployment stuff they've got.
Disclaimer: I don't work for Forte, but I have used their TOOL product, and seen what the Java product can do. It's *very* impressive.
"If you know what you're doing, getting inside one of these links can be quite easy." If this is so easy, then it *really* ought to be trivial to listen to any phone conversation you want (I mean come on, a lot of the phone network isn't even digital).
If you are such a badass information warfare expert, why don't you just tap into a few conversations between CEOs of huge evil companies (ie MSFT) and let everyone know about the nefarious schemes they are hatching.
And hey if it's so easy to jump from the PBX into the data network, it should be just as easy to do it from the power grid, right? I mean c'mon they're all wires that are sorta, somewhat, in some way connected with each other.
Gimme a break. Somehow I just don't think getting information is quite as easy as you say, or we wouldn't have the NSA squawking about encryption technologies and the like all the time.
Actually, I think banner ad arrangements often pay for both "views" and "click-throughs." In this case you would probably be eliminating any revenue for views by not having the image served up in the first place, although the amount per view would generally be very, very low. Plus, I don't know about the exact arrangment that Slashdot has, so they may in fact not be hurt at all by filtering ad images.
WRT posting comments, this ads "value" to the site only in the sense that it draws more users, who then see ads, click on ads, buy stuff, etc. You could have the entire world population reading Slashdot for the super-informative posts, but all that Andover would get out of it would be a really big bandwidth bill and invoices for lots of big servers. Unless of course they start charging for subscriptions or selling user statistics.
Is there any real reason why we process base ten numbers better, other than the fact that we historically only have 10 written digits. Also, I guess that's what people are taught. I've always thought it would be an interesting experiment to teach a kid octal or hex or something first, and see how they adapt to "weird" bases that aren't powers of two.:)
but when all is said and done, chances are very good that they have forgone a substantial long-term financial gain for some short term money.
That statement only makes sense when you are talking about contracting for a startup which might IPO. For any company that has already gone public, I don't see what they can do to make you big money long term.
If you think the only companies offering equity that can make you rich are those that just completed an IPO, you have not done your research. Look at MSFT, ORCL, other techs, plus most any very successful pharma or biotech company. I know where I work there are lots of millionaires with average paying jobs, simply because they've been at the company for 7-8 years.
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Actually the only place I could find the breakdown was in Word version of their annual report that you can download (it's on page 28). The web site is kind of a big mess anyway.
The numbers you quote look close to what it says for 1999 revenue (the document says $8.59 for OS and 8.68 for Apps).
However, what I was referring to is the operating income which is what they get after taking away costs. So, you can see the profit (both total and the margin) is greater for OS, although it's pretty darn close and a heck of a lot of $$ either way.
"...MS Office is a major cash cow for MS, Windows is a much, much less profitable business."
:)
This has got to be one of the biggest misconceptions about Microsoft. Sure, they won't mind giving up the OS revenue, since it's just a commoditity.
According to their annual report for FY 1999, their operating income was some ~$6,007,000,000 for "Windows Platforms" while the "Productiviy Applications and Developer" category yielded an income of ~$5,568,000,000.
Basically, what it boils down to is that over half their profit is generated from the OS (although this varies from year to year, depending on how much they were spending on OS R&D that year, etc).
Look at http://www.microsoft.com/msft/ar.htm if you want to check this info out for yourself (although who knows how well it will work in non-MS browsers).
I'll be the first to volunteer to handle the puny amount of income an OS spinoff would make.
"Using the solution to actually produce unauthorized copies can be ethically good (making backups for your own use), bad (massive pirating), or indifferent (making a mix tape for your friend). "
Hmm this is interesting. So, what you're saying is that whether copying and distributing authorized copies is bad depends on how many people you distribute it to.
Would you mind enlightening the rest of us about the "magic number" of people that you can distribute pirated copies to and still have it be "indifferent."
Maybe if I just steal enough money from the cash register for my own personal use, and not for lots of people, a judge will decide it was ethically "indifferent."
The human power to rationalize is something to behold.
The scary thing about this "thin client" buzz is that PHBs think it's some new great thing. Half the IS managers here are ready to just use Windows Terminal Server to run all our apps. My question is "Why didn't we do this 10 years ago when X terminals were many times cheaper than buying a PC and get the same (or better)functionality?"
Some people just don't get it.
Maybe I just don't have as much of an idea of what patterns are for as I thought, but...
Aren't you suppose to have the patterns in mind before you write the code? Going back through already "completed" source code and saying "Oh, look I think that's using a design pattern" seems a tad silly to me.
It's kinda like writing the requirements after the system is done (this often happens to be the way things end up for me, but, hey I'm not proud of it).
If you apply this same argument, there shouldn't be age limits to anything.
I'm not saying this would be a good or bad thing, but do you really want 8-year olds driving a car? After all, 16 isn't that different from 15, 15 from 14, and on down the slippery slope.
Systems aren't always perfect, but at some point lines need to be drawn along some dimensions.
That said, I think it's stupid to try to rely on a rating system to keep games out of kids hands (especially when kids have to use their parents' money to by the stuff in the first place).
It's just the silly argument I have a problem with.
"[speaking in tongues] was a part of the conversion experience for everyone in the book of Acts (the eunuch in chapter 8 is not specifically stated as such, however"
Um, no.
I can think of at least a few conversions where it says nothing about speaking in tongues. Besides this term is never really explained adequately in the Bible. I doubt if it had much to do with the mindless babblings that a lot of people do now.
"If you don't want an implant, don't get a gun."
Hey what a great argument, let me just throw out a few more along those lines:
If you don't want to be a victim of genocide, don't be a different religion then me.
If you don't want to get fired, don't be gay/straight/Christian/a Windows lover/(insert name of group you don't like here)
If you don't want to be tried for treason, don't say anything bad about our politicians.
This is (I think) the point the previous poster was trying to make. If some nut wants to have something implanted in him fine, just don't tell me I have to get one.
Sun doesn't need JBuilder to be on Solaris.
Most people who run Solaris are interested in have stable, enterprise-class applications.
Sun already owns (or will officially own very shortly) the best product for building these applications in Java-- SynerJ from Forte.
These guys were building cross-platform tremendously stable applications long before Java was around, and they have taken the good parts of their proprietary language and put them into SynerJ. It's seriously so much more advanced in certain areas than other tools, I'll be surprised if Sun keeps any of the other Java development or deployment stuff they've got.
Disclaimer: I don't work for Forte, but I have used their TOOL product, and seen what the Java product can do. It's *very* impressive.
"If you know what you're doing, getting inside one of these links can be quite easy."
If this is so easy, then it *really* ought to be trivial to listen to any phone conversation you want (I mean come on, a lot of the phone network isn't even digital).
If you are such a badass information warfare expert, why don't you just tap into a few conversations between CEOs of huge evil companies (ie MSFT) and let everyone know about the nefarious schemes they are hatching.
And hey if it's so easy to jump from the PBX into the data network, it should be just as easy to do it from the power grid, right? I mean c'mon they're all wires that are sorta, somewhat, in some way connected with each other.
Gimme a break. Somehow I just don't think getting information is quite as easy as you say, or we wouldn't have the NSA squawking about encryption technologies and the like all the time.
Uh, there are plenty of "characters in Office '97 should you choose to be annoyed by them.
If the really loved irony at Microsoft they would make a penguin.
Actually, I think banner ad arrangements often pay for both "views" and "click-throughs."
In this case you would probably be eliminating any revenue for views by not having the image served up in the first place, although the amount per view would generally be very, very low.
Plus, I don't know about the exact arrangment that Slashdot has, so they may in fact not be hurt at all by filtering ad images.
WRT posting comments, this ads "value" to the site only in the sense that it draws more users, who then see ads, click on ads, buy stuff, etc. You could have the entire world population reading Slashdot for the super-informative posts, but all that Andover would get out of it would be a really big bandwidth bill and invoices for lots of big servers. Unless of course they start charging for subscriptions or selling user statistics.
Is there any real reason why we process base ten numbers better, other than the fact that we historically only have 10 written digits. Also, I guess that's what people are taught. :)
I've always thought it would be an interesting experiment to teach a kid octal or hex or something first, and see how they adapt to "weird" bases that aren't powers of two.
No kidding.
The guy must have sum kind of dirt on Cmdr Taco or something.
Or maybe it really is all just a big joke. If so, now would be a good time to let the angry mob in on it.