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But seriously, I doubt that intel will be hurt in the long run by the x86-64. If Intel does go down, I predict the reason will be a slavish devotion to failing products (like the IA-64). Intel has made it's money by being at the sweet spot of price and performance (usually slightly above that). Intel's popular chips have never been the absolute fastest possiable. But they are always the most cost-effective. If they thought they could design a better chip then IBM (Sun,etc) for the high end, while keeping the cost low. I think they are just wrong. IA-64 is like a cheap High end chip that as of yet, doesn't have a large market.
At the high end, realibility becomes an overriding factor. Some systems cannot afford to go down. Intel's offerings do not match up to Sun, IBM. In terms of this. Where are the IA-64 systems that can processor, ram, etc, hot-swap? Where are the IA-64 systems that process everything twice for correctness? Intel has a lot of catching up to do in this field if they want to take it.
The mid-high end where most 'normal' peopel do their processing is what they are aiming for. These people want the cheapest solution that will work. Right now, this means a lot of 32-bit servers. Speed is usually more important then reliability. Since most people realize by now that computers are so cheap it's not worth sinking 30k into a box if you can get 10 for 15k and do the same job.
If IA-64 were as cheap as the pentium 4, then it would be a good proc, but at the current price point it's an expensive P4 or a cheap 'real' server solution.
But MMX and SSE were both knee jerk reactions to the real problem of crappy performance. They were bolted on afterwards to the pentium chip (MMX that is), and done so very badly and cheaply. AltiVec was a much cleaner implementation of SIMD then MMX crap. Though it came much later. MMX1 instructions are almost useless when you have SSE1/2 instructions though. The reason that MMX implementation is so crappy is because it was more designed with marketing in mind and less with techinical excellence.
AltiVec doesn't add more registers, ALtiVec is an instruction set. Though they did extend certain registers for altivec instructions.
You never actually program Itanium in 'native mode.' You use a compiler. If there is a problem with Itanium code, it's that humans can no longer write Itanium assembly. Every single instruction in Itanium is actualy like 2-5 instructions ( VLWI ). Which makes it very hard for people to write. Right now the GNU compiler doesn't produce code as good as intel's compiler, which doesn't help either.
I think that the only reason that x86-64 rom AMD could fail is not because the processor is bad as much as the chipsets. If they can't provide good motherboards that allow me to add a ton of ram to the system (the real reason the upgrade to 64-bit IMO), then why go there? I want to run 8 gig Java VMs in x86 world.
Yes, I own the switches too. I don't get your point.
What traffic you propagate within the hardware you own is your business. Once it hits a router to another network (DSL/Wireless/T1/Cable) and enters their system it's no longer your traffic. As long as they don't violate their end of your contract, they can do what ever they want to do with your traffic when it's on their networks.
If I try to send traffic on my DSL provider's network that they don't want then they can block, deny or trash it. As long as it's not in the agreement that they have to carry it, then there's nothing I can do.
If administrators can't distinguish "good" traffic from "bad" traffic, they will have no choice but to simply remove any access at all to the Internet from the problem subnets, namely dorms.
Yeah, but why wouldn't they just put a traffic limiter on the dorms? If the dorms are using all the bandwidth, why not just restrict the traffic flow. (the easiest way to do this would be to put a 10 base T hub inbetween the dorm connection and the main router.... hehe)
Stopping traffic outright will neve work as eventuatly all traffic will find a way to be pushed over the few open ports. All traffic will look like HTTP for example. Even if it's not. So that idea is crazy.
But the GPU that's in the GC is not a Radeon. It was designed by ArtX and ATI then bought ArtX. So technically it's made by ATI, but wasn't actually designed by ATI.
Not for windows, but for the X-Box. I mean what if for the x-box 2 (or a patch for x-box 1) you coauld play PSX games. Would be nice, though I still don't think it would make me buy one.
I do wish that Sega would make a Dreamcast emulator for the PS2, X-Box or whatever.
It's not that they didn't think about networks -- networking is completely core to the system. But their entire philosophy is incompatible with the idea of untrusted networks like the Internet, and it's bit them in the ass over and over again. (to be fair, Unix has had many similar problems) but where they went wrong was not learning from the many mistakes that unix made, and then improving on them. If you look at the history of Windows security, it's like they covered their eyes with regard to unix or something. As if what they were building had nothing in common with such an inferior product. This attitude is way too common in the software industry. To learn from other's mistakes is something most software engineers don't do.
Direct3D was open? Is open? I guess if you are a large video card company (ATI, nVidia, S3 ) then it was 'open' as MS actually asked them what they wanted in the API. But for anyone else it was hardly 'open'. OpenGL on the other hand has an extension mechanism, which is not 'the best' but it does work. It allows anyone to write an extension and put it in the OpenGL driver. So basically all you have to do is write an OpenGL driver and then users can link to your extention. How do you add more features to DirectX? You can't unless MS does it for you.
However, you do have to hand it to MS for adapting so quickly to the PC gaming market. Without them, we would not have the advances in gaming that have happened over the last 10 years in the windows world. Us users would still be tweaking config files and rebooting just to play certain games. I for one had many startup disks just so that I could play games like X-Wing, Doom etc.
DirectX is the reason that the gaming landscape is unified in Windows.
True dat, just wait until they micronize this. I think that if it were light, or had a killer battery time it would be good to go. But no battery time plus not transportable equals no go. It should be around twenty pounds, not the 70 or so that it is now.
after reading this I will make sure that I never work with this guy. He seems to value flash and features over software that works! Maybe he just is in the mindset of programming himself into a job.
They sold the Jaguar as 64-bit and nobody sued over that piece of crap. (Yes the jaguar sucked, I own one) The Jaguar had one (or maybe two) parts of the chip that actually could process data in 64-bit chunks. Hell, even the 8088 was advertised as a 16-bit chip even though it's only got a 8-bit external bus.
The problem has little to do with the consumer's reaction to the bittedness of the processor and everything to do with the lack of marketing on AMDs part to puch this processor out there in the public mindset. Intel owns the minds of the public as far as PC processors are concerned.
Everyone using an AMD processor is only doing it because they are cheaper. Face facts people, if intel decided to drop their prices, 90% of you would defect when you bought your next computer. Money talks.
maybe your HS wasn't like this but most are more like prisons then like the 'civil' world.
If you're at the bottom of the social structure in places like HS, prison, people can pick on you with no repercussions. So it's not always your fault. Someone has to be at the bottom. That's how those societies work.
they don't have to develop a 64-bit version of their OS. Since the hammer runs in 32-bit mode, all they have to do is make the chip run in normal old 32-bit mode. They don't have to optimize it for 64-bits, however it would be nice.
If I want to add a plugin to a program. The program, might just say: no! you need to be a plugin approved by my company, not some random plugin. You thief!
They can do that now! They don't need some new plugin protection scheme. ActiveX technology provides all the infastructure that MS needs to stop any sort of 3rd party plugin from working. They can just sign all plugins and thus only ms blessed ones would run.
Don't use this argument. Yes, you could hack word now and get your plugin to work, but they don't care about the.0001 percent of people who hack word enough to stop them.
I don't think so, it's the fastest way to enter text that doesn't involve a lot of makeing noise.
Think about it, if you want to enter text what's the next logical step? Gesture based systems? Not really, it won't let you easily enter mass amounts of random text.
Voice rec? Even if it were perfect, it would require massive changes to places like where I work. As any any cubical farm other voices are distracting from what I'm doing.
Besides the fact that Voice Rec would really suck for entering code.
The keyboard is the most accurate, quickest device that we have for entering text into a computer. Until something comes along that is better, we will continue to use it.
Why shut it down when income is greater then expenses. All the cost of making a game like this is upfront, the maintance is minimal compared to the upfrint costs.
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and I think that the only problem with it is that it will be limiting. The thing about MMORPGs that are sucessful, they appeal to most gamers. Most people who play games can understand that you have to go an kill 50,000 wombats to get a level and collect the shinys. It's as old as video games. The hard core few who spend all their waking days and nights to play those games can because that's the way they are designed. This game doesn't seem to have a limitless supply of things to do as eventuatly you will run out of fun stuff to do.
Also, MMORPGs give you the feeling of accomplishment even if you are not really doing anything. Even if all you do is kill one or two wombats, you earn a FEW XP and it looks like you are advancing. I don't know exactly how htis game is setup, but if I think that if the players don't feel as though they are always moving forward (like in EQ) then many will not play.
Also I heard that some of the goals are strange, like you have to get like a hundred (or however many) people to an area and they all have to pray for a certain amount of time or something. And that's a goal. Strange stuff like that. So it could be interisting, I just don't think that it will be as big as many of the other games.
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That java comment brought to you by bad taste in jokes.
But seriously, I doubt that intel will be hurt in the long run by the x86-64. If Intel does go down, I predict the reason will be a slavish devotion to failing products (like the IA-64). Intel has made it's money by being at the sweet spot of price and performance (usually slightly above that). Intel's popular chips have never been the absolute fastest possiable. But they are always the most cost-effective. If they thought they could design a better chip then IBM (Sun,etc) for the high end, while keeping the cost low. I think they are just wrong. IA-64 is like a cheap High end chip that as of yet, doesn't have a large market.
At the high end, realibility becomes an overriding factor. Some systems cannot afford to go down. Intel's offerings do not match up to Sun, IBM. In terms of this. Where are the IA-64 systems that can processor, ram, etc, hot-swap? Where are the IA-64 systems that process everything twice for correctness? Intel has a lot of catching up to do in this field if they want to take it.
The mid-high end where most 'normal' peopel do their processing is what they are aiming for. These people want the cheapest solution that will work. Right now, this means a lot of 32-bit servers. Speed is usually more important then reliability. Since most people realize by now that computers are so cheap it's not worth sinking 30k into a box if you can get 10 for 15k and do the same job.
If IA-64 were as cheap as the pentium 4, then it would be a good proc, but at the current price point it's an expensive P4 or a cheap 'real' server solution.
But MMX and SSE were both knee jerk reactions to the real problem of crappy performance. They were bolted on afterwards to the pentium chip (MMX that is), and done so very badly and cheaply. AltiVec was a much cleaner implementation of SIMD then MMX crap. Though it came much later. MMX1 instructions are almost useless when you have SSE1/2 instructions though. The reason that MMX implementation is so crappy is because it was more designed with marketing in mind and less with techinical excellence.
AltiVec doesn't add more registers, ALtiVec is an instruction set. Though they did extend certain registers for altivec instructions.
You never actually program Itanium in 'native mode.' You use a compiler. If there is a problem with Itanium code, it's that humans can no longer write Itanium assembly. Every single instruction in Itanium is actualy like 2-5 instructions ( VLWI ). Which makes it very hard for people to write. Right now the GNU compiler doesn't produce code as good as intel's compiler, which doesn't help either.
I think that the only reason that x86-64 rom AMD could fail is not because the processor is bad as much as the chipsets. If they can't provide good motherboards that allow me to add a ton of ram to the system (the real reason the upgrade to 64-bit IMO), then why go there? I want to run 8 gig Java VMs in x86 world.
A self tuning guitar? What about a guitar that switches from tuning to tuing based on a foot pedal? Now that's a cool idea.
Who uses MS software? Not I.
But if you won't listen to reason.
Yes, I own the switches too. I don't get your point.
What traffic you propagate within the hardware you own is your business. Once it hits a router to another network (DSL/Wireless/T1/Cable) and enters their system it's no longer your traffic. As long as they don't violate their end of your contract, they can do what ever they want to do with your traffic when it's on their networks.
If I try to send traffic on my DSL provider's network that they don't want then they can block, deny or trash it. As long as it's not in the agreement that they have to carry it, then there's nothing I can do.
I really don't see how this is a hard concept.
If administrators can't distinguish "good" traffic from "bad" traffic, they will have no choice but to simply remove any access at all to the Internet from the problem subnets, namely dorms.
Yeah, but why wouldn't they just put a traffic limiter on the dorms? If the dorms are using all the bandwidth, why not just restrict the traffic flow. (the easiest way to do this would be to put a 10 base T hub inbetween the dorm connection and the main router.... hehe)
Stopping traffic outright will neve work as eventuatly all traffic will find a way to be pushed over the few open ports. All traffic will look like HTTP for example. Even if it's not. So that idea is crazy.
Maybe when you lay down your own cables. You cna then call it your own network.
I have my own network, inside my house cause I own all the cables.
But the GPU that's in the GC is not a Radeon. It was designed by ArtX and ATI then bought ArtX. So technically it's made by ATI, but wasn't actually designed by ATI.
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That's a damn good point.
Not for windows, but for the X-Box. I mean what if for the x-box 2 (or a patch for x-box 1) you coauld play PSX games. Would be nice, though I still don't think it would make me buy one.
I do wish that Sega would make a Dreamcast emulator for the PS2, X-Box or whatever.
It's not that they didn't think about networks -- networking is completely core to the system. But their entire philosophy is incompatible with the idea of untrusted networks like the Internet, and it's bit them in the ass over and over again. (to be fair, Unix has had many similar problems)
but where they went wrong was not learning from the many mistakes that unix made, and then improving on them. If you look at the history of Windows security, it's like they covered their eyes with regard to unix or something. As if what they were building had nothing in common with such an inferior product.
This attitude is way too common in the software industry. To learn from other's mistakes is something most software engineers don't do.
Direct3D was open? Is open? I guess if you are a large video card company (ATI, nVidia, S3 ) then it was 'open' as MS actually asked them what they wanted in the API. But for anyone else it was hardly 'open'. OpenGL on the other hand has an extension mechanism, which is not 'the best' but it does work. It allows anyone to write an extension and put it in the OpenGL driver. So basically all you have to do is write an OpenGL driver and then users can link to your extention. How do you add more features to DirectX? You can't unless MS does it for you.
However, you do have to hand it to MS for adapting so quickly to the PC gaming market. Without them, we would not have the advances in gaming that have happened over the last 10 years in the windows world. Us users would still be tweaking config files and rebooting just to play certain games. I for one had many startup disks just so that I could play games like X-Wing, Doom etc.
DirectX is the reason that the gaming landscape is unified in Windows.
True dat, just wait until they micronize this. I think that if it were light, or had a killer battery time it would be good to go. But no battery time plus not transportable equals no go. It should be around twenty pounds, not the 70 or so that it is now.
after reading this I will make sure that I never work with this guy. He seems to value flash and features over software that works! Maybe he just is in the mindset of programming himself into a job.
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
They sold the Jaguar as 64-bit and nobody sued over that piece of crap. (Yes the jaguar sucked, I own one) The Jaguar had one (or maybe two) parts of the chip that actually could process data in 64-bit chunks. Hell, even the 8088 was advertised as a 16-bit chip even though it's only got a 8-bit external bus.
The problem has little to do with the consumer's reaction to the bittedness of the processor and everything to do with the lack of marketing on AMDs part to puch this processor out there in the public mindset. Intel owns the minds of the public as far as PC processors are concerned.
Everyone using an AMD processor is only doing it because they are cheaper. Face facts people, if intel decided to drop their prices, 90% of you would defect when you bought your next computer. Money talks.
maybe your HS wasn't like this but most are more like prisons then like the 'civil' world.
If you're at the bottom of the social structure in places like HS, prison, people can pick on you with no repercussions. So it's not always your fault. Someone has to be at the bottom. That's how those societies work.
They could, but first they'd have to insert a brain genome.....
they don't have to develop a 64-bit version of their OS. Since the hammer runs in 32-bit mode, all they have to do is make the chip run in normal old 32-bit mode. They don't have to optimize it for 64-bits, however it would be nice.
If I want to add a plugin to a program. The program, might just say: no! you need to be a plugin approved by my company, not some random plugin. You thief!
They can do that now! They don't need some new plugin protection scheme. ActiveX technology provides all the infastructure that MS needs to stop any sort of 3rd party plugin from working. They can just sign all plugins and thus only ms blessed ones would run.
Don't use this argument. Yes, you could hack word now and get your plugin to work, but they don't care about the
I don't think so, it's the fastest way to enter text that doesn't involve a lot of makeing noise.
Think about it, if you want to enter text what's the next logical step? Gesture based systems? Not really, it won't let you easily enter mass amounts of random text.
Voice rec? Even if it were perfect, it would require massive changes to places like where I work. As any any cubical farm other voices are distracting from what I'm doing.
Besides the fact that Voice Rec would really suck for entering code.
The keyboard is the most accurate, quickest device that we have for entering text into a computer. Until something comes along that is better, we will continue to use it.
Roleplaying != Kill Monster, Get XP, Advance Advance Advance!
That's where you are wrong..... so very very wrong. Roleplaying is XP; XP is Roleplaying. Thus the circle completes the square!!!!!! Mu haha ha ha!
Why shut it down when income is greater then expenses. All the cost of making a game like this is upfront, the maintance is minimal compared to the upfrint costs.
and I think that the only problem with it is that it will be limiting. The thing about MMORPGs that are sucessful, they appeal to most gamers. Most people who play games can understand that you have to go an kill 50,000 wombats to get a level and collect the shinys. It's as old as video games. The hard core few who spend all their waking days and nights to play those games can because that's the way they are designed. This game doesn't seem to have a limitless supply of things to do as eventuatly you will run out of fun stuff to do.
Also, MMORPGs give you the feeling of accomplishment even if you are not really doing anything. Even if all you do is kill one or two wombats, you earn a FEW XP and it looks like you are advancing. I don't know exactly how htis game is setup, but if I think that if the players don't feel as though they are always moving forward (like in EQ) then many will not play.
Also I heard that some of the goals are strange, like you have to get like a hundred (or however many) people to an area and they all have to pray for a certain amount of time or something. And that's a goal. Strange stuff like that. So it could be interisting, I just don't think that it will be as big as many of the other games.
You are probably right, but the name re-entered the collective consiousness of our society with the release of the matrix.
What about Thomas? I don't think that there are too many people naming their kids Neo(phyte).