But the main problem with Debian is that it is the slowest to fix its problems. Debian development is painfully slow, and problems often take a very long time to fix. Years even.
Sigh, someone is going to reply "just run Woody or Sid", which would be fine, if there wasn't a significant chance that something important will be broken. It was the slang frontend to dpkg last time I tried Potato-->Woody.
This is not surprising: the amount of effort it takes to deal with the complexity of packaging a modern Linux system has gone beyond what a single person can do. Corporations can do it, as can the very impressive distributed organization that is Debian, but not any lone hacker.
Hmm, I've built Linux From Scratch with XFree86 4.x, KDE 2.x, & a few other bits & pieces, in less than a weekend. It simply isn't as hard as you think. For what one person can achieve by themselves, have a look at Peanut(I used it to build Linux From Scratch).
Re:Which releases are production stable?
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I must say that I am getting a little bit leary about using the 2.4.x series in production.
Then use the latest in the stable tree. By definition, this is the one handed over to the stable kernel maintainer (Alan Cox). At the moment it's the 2.2.x series. When Linus decides 2.4.x is "production" ready, he'll hand it over to Alan & open 2.5.x (unless he decides to call it "Linux YQ" or something:)).
makewhatis (if it isn't already made)
cat/var/cache/man/whatis > commands.txt
less commands.txt
or less/var/cache/man/whatis
or grep foo/var/cache/man/whatis
(foo=string)
to search it.
"Dselect is a mess, I'm completely lost with it. It doesn't seem logical at all to me. That's why I don't use it.
To search for a package
apt-cache pkgnames | grep foo
to install it
apt-get install libfoo1"
In dselect:
"D" (set to directly requested state)
"/pkgname" (to locate package, "\" to search again)
"Insert"-->"Enter"-->"Enter"-->y-->"Enter".
But the biggest thing I like about it is seeing all the packages that are avalable.
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Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
"I think that the question should be 'do people really use dselect?' Because dselect is quite awful program to use. It has very complicated user interface with weird logic."
No, it hasn't. Start it, enter "?", Read. 10 minutes tops, & you will be a master.
N.B. read with care what it wants to install. If you don't have emacs, it will always attempt to sneak it on. --
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
RPMDrake is the GUI frontend to urpmi - it's been in there since 7.0. Didn't get a mention in the user guide for 7.0, but I recall playing with it back then - had to add a src with "urpmi -addmedia" or something, because it was broken with rpmdrake - I guess I found out about it by hanging out on the mandrake lists. Recently tried getting from 7.0-->8.0 with it - barfed because rpm 3.x can't install rpm 4.x:) (would have had to dload src + deps & build it).
I recollect Mentioning urpmi on/. when Connectiva(?) ported apt, but I guess Mandrake's users aren't as Zealous as Debians. --
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
I'm in the Beta - nearly. Like lots of others, I downloaded a corrupt version of the client - 600MB @ 5.4KB/sec - sigh. 32 Hours later I had a good one. Like lots of others, signup barfed for me, saying my key was already in use. Like lots of others, I emailed support about all this, & haven't heard back. Apparently the game is still pretty crappy though, going by reports here. --
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
Mmmm, IMHO speech recognition is way overrated - consider how you got to this post, & try saying:
"netscape - slashdot - pagedown - pagedown -downlink - downlink - open - open-new - pagedown - pagedown - pagedown - pagedown - pagedown - downlink - downlink - open-new (try opening/. in lynx, & note this is the *condensed* version).
It might be a neat thing for certain disabilitys - but point-click is simply way easier.
How many people do you know that actually *use* the "decent speech-to-text software" we already have?
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Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
Is that Progeny isn't missing little bits here & there. Did an apt-get dist-upgrade Potato-->Woody ~2 days ago - debconf slang frontend broken, X configuration broken.... Potato-->Progeny went smooth as silk. Doing an apt-get upgrade to 1.0 at the moment. N.B. a developer in #progeny reccommended adding:
deb http://archive.progeny.com/progeny updates/newton/
to/etc/apt/sources.list --
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
Heh, but not for long, The gcc page says its out, but the dload links point to 2.95.2 - pulled for some reason.... --
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
I have Loki's QIII, but I'm getting > 20% better FPS running it in W98. Sadly, with my current hardware, It means that I'm just not competitive if I run it in Linux.
If you get a Nvidia card the performance difference will be negligable (in QIII)(N.B. some of the newer cards aren't fully supported AFAIK), But Voodoo cards take a > 20% hit in FPS. The Kernel slows things down a little (compaired to DirectX). Linus has been asked about changing it by developers, but won't in the near future (I'm sure there are good reasons:-)) --
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
Mandrake does it already with RpmDrake/urpmi
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Demo here
The only thing thats missing is "dist -update", as that's how they make their money:) --
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
Cooker is a little broken at the moment, mostly due to the developers wanting to try out GCC 2.96:)
For fast updating with Mandrake, have a look @ rsync, saved me a lot of time when everything was changing daily during the 7.2 beta period. They even have a GUI frontend for it now (DrakSync). --
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
Mandrake staff have said on the Cooker list that updates will be avalable through MandrakeUpdate to sync the WalMart version to the downloadable version.
It should be noted that Mcmillan will be releasing 2 versions, the $25 "newbieized" one avalable now & a "powerpack" with the "expert" options avalable. --
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
I'm not sure if they've solved their linuxconf problem yet, but there's been a lot of complaints on the cooker lists about that. I had to add it to inetd.conf myself to get the web interface to work
AFAIK the main prob was linuxconf-gui & that was fixed (by removing it:))
Kmail & Konqurer have both crashed on me though, but they crash nicely, not taking X with them, like good ol' Netscape....
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Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
Slashdot Mirror
Sigh, someone is going to reply "just run Woody or Sid", which would be fine, if there wasn't a significant chance that something important will be broken. It was the slang frontend to dpkg last time I tried Potato-->Woody.
here's some - Debian 0.91 (basierend auf Kernel 0.99.14w Download (34MB) - SLS 1.05 (basierend auf modularem(!) Kernel 1.0)Download (41MB) - MCC Interim 1.0+ (basierend auf Kernel 1.0) Download (54MB) - Slackware 1.1.2 (basierend auf Kernel 0.99.15) Download (77MB)
Hmm, I've built Linux From Scratch with XFree86 4.x, KDE 2.x, & a few other bits & pieces, in less than a weekend. It simply isn't as hard as you think. For what one person can achieve by themselves, have a look at Peanut(I used it to build Linux From Scratch).
Then use the latest in the stable tree. By definition, this is the one handed over to the stable kernel maintainer (Alan Cox). At the moment it's the 2.2.x series. When Linus decides 2.4.x is "production" ready, he'll hand it over to Alan & open 2.5.x (unless he decides to call it "Linux YQ" or something :)).
& 1 Internet year = 6 dog years....
makewhatis (if it isn't already made) /var/cache/man/whatis > commands.txt /var/cache/man/whatis /var/cache/man/whatis
cat
less commands.txt
or less
or grep foo
(foo=string)
to search it.
cat /var/cache/man/whatis > cheat.txt :)
If you must retaliate, use a bomb that won't kill the children.
/me in New Zealand.
Deepest sympathy & sorrow from
To search for a package
apt-cache pkgnames | grep foo
to install it
apt-get install libfoo1"
In dselect:
"D" (set to directly requested state)
"/pkgname" (to locate package, "\" to search again)
"Insert"-->"Enter"-->"Enter"-->y-->"Enter".
But the biggest thing I like about it is seeing all the packages that are avalable.
--
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
N.B. read with care what it wants to install. If you don't have emacs, it will always attempt to sneak it on.
--
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
RPMDrake is the GUI frontend to urpmi - it's been in there since 7.0. Didn't get a mention in the user guide for 7.0, but I recall playing with it back then - had to add a src with "urpmi -addmedia" or something, because it was broken with rpmdrake - I guess I found out about it by hanging out on the mandrake lists. Recently tried getting from 7.0-->8.0 with it - barfed because rpm 3.x can't install rpm 4.x :) (would have had to dload src + deps & build it). /. when Connectiva(?) ported apt, but I guess Mandrake's users aren't as Zealous as Debians.
I recollect Mentioning urpmi on
--
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
I'm in the Beta - nearly. Like lots of others, I downloaded a corrupt version of the client - 600MB @ 5.4KB/sec - sigh. 32 Hours later I had a good one. Like lots of others, signup barfed for me, saying my key was already in use. Like lots of others, I emailed support about all this, & haven't heard back. Apparently the game is still pretty crappy though, going by reports here.
--
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
Mmmm, IMHO speech recognition is way overrated - consider how you got to this post, & try saying: /. in lynx, & note this is the *condensed* version).
"netscape - slashdot - pagedown - pagedown -downlink - downlink - open - open-new - pagedown - pagedown - pagedown - pagedown - pagedown - downlink - downlink - open-new (try opening
It might be a neat thing for certain disabilitys - but point-click is simply way easier.
How many people do you know that actually *use* the "decent speech-to-text software" we already have?
--
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
Is that Progeny isn't missing little bits here & there. Did an apt-get dist-upgrade Potato-->Woody ~2 days ago - debconf slang frontend broken, X configuration broken.... Potato-->Progeny went smooth as silk. Doing an apt-get upgrade to 1.0 at the moment. N.B. a developer in #progeny reccommended adding: /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://archive.progeny.com/progeny updates/newton/
to
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Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
sawfish/gnome
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Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
AFACT it has been pulled, just looked with an ftp client in case my isp's caching proxy hid it....
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Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
Heh, but not for long, The gcc page says its out, but the dload links point to 2.95.2 - pulled for some reason....
--
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
More comment from the Slackware team, Pat promises he wont be *rude* next time :)
Oh, BTW, PKB michael.....
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Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
& Baldurs Gate II doesn't run in Linux...
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Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
If you get a Nvidia card the performance difference will be negligable (in QIII)(N.B. some of the newer cards aren't fully supported AFAIK), But Voodoo cards take a > 20% hit in FPS. The Kernel slows things down a little (compaired to DirectX). Linus has been asked about changing it by developers, but won't in the near future (I'm sure there are good reasons :-))
--
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
Demo here :)
The only thing thats missing is "dist -update", as that's how they make their money
--
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
-WBD
A fat guy sitting on a pillow.
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Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
Cooker is a little broken at the moment, mostly due to the developers wanting to try out GCC 2.96 :)
For fast updating with Mandrake, have a look @ rsync, saved me a lot of time when everything was changing daily during the 7.2 beta period. They even have a GUI frontend for it now (DrakSync).
--
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
Mandrake staff have said on the Cooker list that updates will be avalable through MandrakeUpdate to sync the WalMart version to the downloadable version. It should be noted that Mcmillan will be releasing 2 versions, the $25 "newbieized" one avalable now & a "powerpack" with the "expert" options avalable.
--
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
AFAIK the main prob was linuxconf-gui & that was fixed (by removing it :))
Kmail & Konqurer have both crashed on me though, but they crash nicely, not taking X with them, like good ol' Netscape....
--
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc