I think the real difficulty here is that an intelligence (or any life form really) isn't really alive without input & output. You can't just simulate (based on any physical model) an isolated life form because it would just sit there. You need to simulate the environment it inhabits.
The line between the organism and the environment is very blurred. I tried to write a cellular autonoma of a weather/ecology system at once stage and was overwhelmed with the sheer number of variables which would have to be included to make it complete. You essentially can't leave anything out.
Don't mean to sound like a buddhist or anything, but everything is inextricably connected. You'd need to start by making a 500 million atom small environment or some such.
or am I missing something?
I mean, I'm just going to get the data off these incredibily inconvenient, clumsy data storage devices and store them on (A) a Hard Drive or (B) a flash drive. Although I really will miss using the terminology... I'll miss how it makes me feel like i'm getting something special.
Blu-RAY!... HI-DEF!
Preaching to the converted maybe, but lets boycott this nonsense. It is just marketers working on the age old "milk the technology" strategy to eke out an idea over a much longer period. When disc's first appeared, there were two types, floppy discs and hard discs. These described the differing physical form of the two data storage devices. They were however, fundamentally identical. Each new release of a floppy disc could contain more information than its predecessor, but was called - you guessed it, a floppy disc.
Soon someone developed the compact disc, and it was good, but following this was a higher capacity compact disc. The marketers, having seen a profit in this industry decided that it needed another name change, and some functionality reduced. Digital video disc... "ooooh" sound exciting doesn't it Mr End Consumer. "Hell, i might even have to get myself a fangled 'DVD player' instead of the much smarter long term investment of a PC"
And now we're debating the pro's and con's of two competing 'products'. THEY ARE JUST STORING 0's & 1's! Theres no mystery to this. If i use bluray, it will be to store data files to play on whatever video player software I choose.
Here HERE! i'm using mighty mice at work for the excellent X&Y scroll ball, but am daily amazed at the complete and utter madness of form over function in this instance.
1. Left click: to achieve a left click, simply push your index finger down. 2. Right click: this one is a little trickier... first lift your index finger so that no part of it is touching the mouse. Then push your middle finger down.
This feature is apparently because when the engineer showed jobs the first design with independent buttons, the emperor thought he was giving him the finger.
And we need to reject this attempt to hijack a free media. The days of centralised media are gone. Newspapers, TV stations are already dead. We need to ensure that they stay this way.
We killed the RIAA and celebrated the revolution!! the revolution is ITunes music store... I don't mean to shock anyone, but ITMS *IS* the RIAA. Our failure to deliver a timely open source solution here has centralised this at the crucial moment of popularity.
Google is another example. We really need a bit torrent type distribution system for our search, for our email, for our news. Small chunks of data spread across many many computers with a lot of redundancy. Small enough chunks to be meaningless on their own (encrypted anyway).
It runs a little deeper than "open source". Decentralising the media is decentralising the economy and decentralising power.
While I agree that the media should be "fair and balanced" *coff* I understand why certain opinions seem to be biased.
There are some things we are directly responsible for. These things we can change, and while looking at pictures of tortured iraqis (Erm... i mean the ones saddam tortured) might make us weep with compassion, theres nothing direct (and legal/moral) we can do to resolve this. It is however our moral duty to ensure that we, and the people who represent us treat people with decency.
If my leader and someone elses leader are both torturing people, *all* i'm going to spend my time shouting about is that my leader should stop torturing. Then once resolved, it is from that position of moral clarity I can then start campaigning for human rights in other countries.
common sense doesn't cut it. Journalists need proof or else people won't change.
common sense tells us that W isn't the president. common sense tells us that abu ghraib & Gitmo is illegal. I'd go on but would prefer not be be modded "troll"
As long as the "official" word on issues remains classified, the "conspiracy theorists"/W-accent> will remain a fringe voice, along with their confounded "common sense"
I didn't suggest it should be easy - I was expecting a comment along the lines of "OSX has protection built in because of..." or "Apple uses hardware based upon X for whatever reason"
Nerd elitism means linux won't take off any time soon and the reason OSX can continue to create closed source software on closed source hardware leaving us nasty "End users" to be patronised by the limited control Steve Jobs gives us.
I wonder if someone will/could develop an OSOSOS (ah.. thats open source operating system operating system.. oper.. oh.. nm). A low level platform that translates the various OS calls to whatever hardware? is that a ridiculous suggestion?
It's inevitable that all three operating systems will co exist peacefully on the same hardware, and I wish the manufacturers (ok I wish apple) would just play ball, but seeing as this doesn't seem to happen...
It's really the interface & the software I use various OS's for & the interface *should* be completely customisable and run on the top of the OS (I mean its a small enough foot print anyway & The kind of customisation I would like leaves me to want for linux, but then unable to use the software I require to utilise that customisation)
So that leaves the OS to deal with hardware, file management etc which should *really* be cross platform. Can anyone tell me what the actual difficultes encountered when getting OSX running on IntelPCs or Linux/Windows running on IntelMacs?
So now hacking can be a career? It's now beneficial to train lots of people in the art of hacking?
$10,000 for the first person to discover a backdoor into the national bank! one of those people is gonna leave with $10,000, the rest are leaving with a lot more than that!
Toads are a pest here in Australia??? I hardly knew despite spending my youth cruelly launching them onto rooftops with golf clubs and continuing to encounter them hiking across pristine hinchenbrook island, throughout the rainforests of Far North Queensland and along the fringes of the Great Barrier Reef!
Next thing they'll be telling me Lincoln's dead and Hitler is a bad man!
The ecosystem is a tremendously delicate thing, and yes it will always balance itself out in the long run, but humans have to *really* be careful as they fell huge forests, import rabbits, toads, beetles, create nanotech, genetically engineer wildly and without thought to decided if they want this balance to be upset, and furthermore if they are prepared to allow this balance to shift toward... roaches... toads... cold hard industrialisation?
The last thing I heard was they were planning on importing some disease to kill off the rabbits in australia... Its ok though.. it only kills rabbits. "I don't know why I swallowed a fly... maybe I'll die!"
I'd prefer cassowaries than sugarcane. (very few remain)
For the love of god, someone get these politicians a hobby. They have far too much time and money at their disposal.
I'd like to see Blair, Bush, Howard & Bin Laden settle this over a good old game of marbles and leave us out of it.
Who the hell are these twirps? Never met them, never heard a SINGLE intelligent thing come out of any of their mouths and day after day they affect my life. They sit there in these strange black outfits with these weird nooses around their necks arguing about things which are obviously issues of semantics, breaking every rule of intelligent debate & rationalisation and prompting the media beast to artificially inflate these "issues" so that the bored apathetic masses get up in arms and keep them voted in.
We're throwing away our freedoms so the media can make you pay for & drink sugar water.
The extreme views speak in loud, inflamatory soundbytes that serve to sell advertising to gullible viewers: "X is EVIL" "ALL Y DESERVE TO DIE" while the moderate, intelligent, rational view is obscured and diffused by its truthful verbosity and its inherent "unmarketability"
Sometimes I just bang my head against the wall at the complete insanity of it all.
The reason he's still around is because people are trained to think in a bipartisan manner... to think of things in black or white.
They have up or down, black or white, good or evil, left or right, liberal or conservative. Its a symptom of the maturity of our civilisation, and hopefully the next 50 years will see the population as a whole grow beyond this and eradicate the absurd bipartisan system.
Theres not black or white. there aren't even shades of gray. There's a spectrum of colours of varying intensity, white being a haze of all the colours, and black being an absense. Left & right are just two different directions along the circumference of the same circle. The liberal party was once liberal & the labor party often wants big government. They're just set up to be "Opposition" - its insane.
There are potentially as many different ideas as there are people, but until we all stop staring at the TV screens and start to think for ourselves, we will continue to be manipulated into this bipartisan way of thinking.
Our democracy is one created through trial and error, and not one which stands to serve any underlying principles (ie the notion that all men & women are equal in this country and all deserve an equal opportunity to participate in government)
Equally our "Australian way" is just a hodge podge of whatever johnny says it is at any given moment, just like bush manipulating patriotism to his own gain. This needs to be rethought so we can understand that democracy further suggests the equality of all human beings, and the logical conclusion of this is we must "live and let live" or "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" or "treat others as you wish to be treated" or "judge not lest ye be judged"
Choose your quote, the meaning is the same & is the basic principle this country and any other country that uses the word "Democracy" should be working toward. Every single thing that's passed should be passed with the intention of upholding this principle.
For the love of god, someone get these politicians a hobby. They have far too much time and money at their disposal.
I'd like to see Blair, Bush & Bin Laden settle this over a good old game of marbles and leave us out of it.
Who the hell are these twirps? Never met them, never heard a SINGLE intelligent thing come out of any of their mouths and day after day they affect my life. They sit there in these strange black outfits with these weird nooses around their necks arguing about things which are obviously issues of semantics, breaking every rule of intelligent debate & rationalisation and prompting the media beast to artificially inflate these "issues" so that the bored apathetic masses get up in arms and keep them voted in.
We're throwing away our freedoms so the media can make you pay for & drink sugar water.
The extreme views speak in loud, inflamatory soundbytes that serve to sell advertising to gullible viewers: "X is EVIL" "ALL Y DESERVE TO DIE" while the moderate, intelligent, rational view is obscured and diffused by its truthful verbosity and its inherent "unmarketability"
Sometimes I just bang my head against the wall at the complete insanity of it all.
I agree, portability appeals to me. There are two things i'd like to see:
In the short term I'd like to see a portable interface, so I can bring my windows mouse gestures, keyboard macros saved passwords etc to other computers and just utilise their processing power. I customise my interface as many do, to the point where it is vastly different from others. I can only see interface diversity increasing in the future.
The other is I would like the data throughput of the net brought up to a speed that can handle the information on a screen and the keyboard & mouse information in real time. My mind can only ever access 1280x1024 pixels of data and keyboard/mouse input at any given moment (more as the HCI advances) so the HD space & speed of the interface computer becomes redundant. We should really work on taking advantage of this to decentralise rather than shift the centralisation to corporations.
Perhaps if remote desktop became more user friendly and accessable, companies could host processing farms and you could use your own portable OS to access as many processors as you could afford for a given task.
Well we all know that only assholes have opinions (which leaves only assholes to make decisions.. great) but I thought I'd throw in my two cents
Gmail updates whether I like it or not. I'm always using the latest version, so now i'm stuck with a fking IM client for a mail host.
Hamachi doesn't run online, but phones home constantly and nags you relentlessly to "update to version X.X" every time they release a minor bug fix. When you give in and click "update" the thing is riddled with new bugs the previous version didn't have.
iTunes is similar. I never wanted all the bloat the latest versions give me. Thank christ its not an online prog. I can run the version I choose.
I spent $99 on HalfLife 2 and *cannot* play it anymore because of the very poor "Phone Home" code in steam that refuses to contact the server.
I got locked out of *my own* computer once for a day after an XP update. That wasn't cheap I'm desparately trying to swap to linux to avoid the Vista DRM hell.
I love accessing my software from this computer remotely (using hamachi at present, but this seems to be an under developed tech) & would love to use a web interface to access info & software from my home PC from any device at any time, but I would like to retain the power over what runs on *my* pc & where that info is stored.
Absolutely, and the point I was trying to make is that far from it being a republican problem or a democrat problem it is the same problem throughout the leadership of the world.
It is almost as if the current fashion of leadership is to polarise debate and oppress dissent.
People must figure out their principles and work toward protecting them *using* their principles. This means the would be suicide bombers and the would be freedom fighters really are fighting for the same thing if the "leaders" weren't manipulating them with this polarisation technique.
"In a system such as in the U.S. you should ALWAYS try to work change from WITHIN the law FIRST." - the really sad part about this is that the law has nothing to do with it. I doubt dissent in china is outlawed, nor in nazi germany. Its never against the law to intimidate.
"You must fight for peace" "you must give up your liberties for freedom" "you must murder for utopia"
Jesus fucking christ are people really falling for this doublespeak propaganda?
USA: Put a stop to this NOW. Watch as dissent becomes a threat to national security.
Do you really believe this is to stop terrorism?
What side are you on? No I don't mean "With us or with the terrorists" trite.
I mean what side are you on? The side of freedom, self-government, equality, tolerance?
or the side of oppression, protection, surveilance, revenge?
There are people from all nations who represent both sides. Some are fighting for the "terrorists" and some are fighting for the "freedom fighters"
People like Bush & Osama have tried to polarise this for their own agendas by hijacking the english language with doublespeak like "Freedom", "Honour" and "PATRIOTism" and the "With us or against us" rhetoric, but don't be mistaken.
If you don't put a stop to this *Now* you will regret it.
Slashdot Mirror
Yeah, I'm sure this is all gonna go well until they upload it to the net, at which point the universe will collapse into spiral of recursion.
And you're missing the same point as everyone else in your country.
Bush isn't his boss... You are his boss.
Infact, you are Bush's boss. Thats the way it works
Possibly: Really Awful Propriety Encoder Disc.
I think the real difficulty here is that an intelligence (or any life form really) isn't really alive without input & output. You can't just simulate (based on any physical model) an isolated life form because it would just sit there. You need to simulate the environment it inhabits.
The line between the organism and the environment is very blurred. I tried to write a cellular autonoma of a weather/ecology system at once stage and was overwhelmed with the sheer number of variables which would have to be included to make it complete. You essentially can't leave anything out.
Don't mean to sound like a buddhist or anything, but everything is inextricably connected. You'd need to start by making a 500 million atom small environment or some such.
...isn't it?
or am I missing something?
I mean, I'm just going to get the data off these incredibily inconvenient, clumsy data storage devices and store them on (A) a Hard Drive or (B) a flash drive. Although I really will miss using the terminology... I'll miss how it makes me feel like i'm getting something special.
Blu-RAY!... HI-DEF!
Preaching to the converted maybe, but lets boycott this nonsense. It is just marketers working on the age old "milk the technology" strategy to eke out an idea over a much longer period. When disc's first appeared, there were two types, floppy discs and hard discs. These described the differing physical form of the two data storage devices. They were however, fundamentally identical. Each new release of a floppy disc could contain more information than its predecessor, but was called - you guessed it, a floppy disc.
Soon someone developed the compact disc, and it was good, but following this was a higher capacity compact disc. The marketers, having seen a profit in this industry decided that it needed another name change, and some functionality reduced. Digital video disc... "ooooh" sound exciting doesn't it Mr End Consumer. "Hell, i might even have to get myself a fangled 'DVD player' instead of the much smarter long term investment of a PC"
And now we're debating the pro's and con's of two competing 'products'. THEY ARE JUST STORING 0's & 1's! Theres no mystery to this. If i use bluray, it will be to store data files to play on whatever video player software I choose.
Here HERE! i'm using mighty mice at work for the excellent X&Y scroll ball, but am daily amazed at the complete and utter madness of form over function in this instance.
1. Left click: to achieve a left click, simply push your index finger down.
2. Right click: this one is a little trickier... first lift your index finger so that no part of it is touching the mouse. Then push your middle finger down.
This feature is apparently because when the engineer showed jobs the first design with independent buttons, the emperor thought he was giving him the finger.
And we need to reject this attempt to hijack a free media. The days of centralised media are gone. Newspapers, TV stations are already dead. We need to ensure that they stay this way.
We killed the RIAA and celebrated the revolution!! the revolution is ITunes music store... I don't mean to shock anyone, but ITMS *IS* the RIAA. Our failure to deliver a timely open source solution here has centralised this at the crucial moment of popularity.
Google is another example. We really need a bit torrent type distribution system for our search, for our email, for our news. Small chunks of data spread across many many computers with a lot of redundancy. Small enough chunks to be meaningless on their own (encrypted anyway).
It runs a little deeper than "open source". Decentralising the media is decentralising the economy and decentralising power.
So now is the crucial moment.
Hook, Line & Sinker
While I agree that the media should be "fair and balanced" *coff* I understand why certain opinions seem to be biased.
There are some things we are directly responsible for. These things we can change, and while looking at pictures of tortured iraqis (Erm... i mean the ones saddam tortured) might make us weep with compassion, theres nothing direct (and legal/moral) we can do to resolve this. It is however our moral duty to ensure that we, and the people who represent us treat people with decency.
If my leader and someone elses leader are both torturing people, *all* i'm going to spend my time shouting about is that my leader should stop torturing. Then once resolved, it is from that position of moral clarity I can then start campaigning for human rights in other countries.
...gold shackles!
common sense doesn't cut it. Journalists need proof or else people won't change.
/W-accent> will remain a fringe voice, along with their confounded "common sense"
common sense tells us that W isn't the president. common sense tells us that abu ghraib & Gitmo is illegal. I'd go on but would prefer not be be modded "troll"
As long as the "official" word on issues remains classified, the "conspiracy theorists"
Gahah
I didn't suggest it should be easy - I was expecting a comment along the lines of "OSX has protection built in because of..." or "Apple uses hardware based upon X for whatever reason"
Nerd elitism means linux won't take off any time soon and the reason OSX can continue to create closed source software on closed source hardware leaving us nasty "End users" to be patronised by the limited control Steve Jobs gives us.
I wonder if someone will/could develop an OSOSOS (ah.. thats open source operating system operating system.. oper.. oh.. nm). A low level platform that translates the various OS calls to whatever hardware? is that a ridiculous suggestion?
It's inevitable that all three operating systems will co exist peacefully on the same hardware, and I wish the manufacturers (ok I wish apple) would just play ball, but seeing as this doesn't seem to happen...
It's really the interface & the software I use various OS's for & the interface *should* be completely customisable and run on the top of the OS (I mean its a small enough foot print anyway & The kind of customisation I would like leaves me to want for linux, but then unable to use the software I require to utilise that customisation)
So that leaves the OS to deal with hardware, file management etc which should *really* be cross platform. Can anyone tell me what the actual difficultes encountered when getting OSX running on IntelPCs or Linux/Windows running on IntelMacs?
So now hacking can be a career? It's now beneficial to train lots of people in the art of hacking?
$10,000 for the first person to discover a backdoor into the national bank!
one of those people is gonna leave with $10,000, the rest are leaving with a lot more than that!
Toads are a pest here in Australia???
I hardly knew despite spending my youth cruelly launching them onto rooftops with golf clubs and continuing to encounter them hiking across pristine hinchenbrook island, throughout the rainforests of Far North Queensland and along the fringes of the Great Barrier Reef!
Next thing they'll be telling me Lincoln's dead and Hitler is a bad man!
The ecosystem is a tremendously delicate thing, and yes it will always balance itself out in the long run, but humans have to *really* be careful as they fell huge forests, import rabbits, toads, beetles, create nanotech, genetically engineer wildly and without thought to decided if they want this balance to be upset, and furthermore if they are prepared to allow this balance to shift toward... roaches... toads... cold hard industrialisation?
The last thing I heard was they were planning on importing some disease to kill off the rabbits in australia... Its ok though.. it only kills rabbits.
"I don't know why I swallowed a fly... maybe I'll die!"
I'd prefer cassowaries than sugarcane. (very few remain)
I posted this elsewhere:
For the love of god, someone get these politicians a hobby. They have far too much time and money at their disposal.
I'd like to see Blair, Bush, Howard & Bin Laden settle this over a good old game of marbles and leave us out of it.
Who the hell are these twirps? Never met them, never heard a SINGLE intelligent thing come out of any of their mouths and day after day they affect my life. They sit there in these strange black outfits with these weird nooses around their necks arguing about things which are obviously issues of semantics, breaking every rule of intelligent debate & rationalisation and prompting the media beast to artificially inflate these "issues" so that the bored apathetic masses get up in arms and keep them voted in.
We're throwing away our freedoms so the media can make you pay for & drink sugar water.
The extreme views speak in loud, inflamatory soundbytes that serve to sell advertising to gullible viewers: "X is EVIL" "ALL Y DESERVE TO DIE" while the moderate, intelligent, rational view is obscured and diffused by its truthful verbosity and its inherent "unmarketability"
Sometimes I just bang my head against the wall at the complete insanity of it all.
The reason he's still around is because people are trained to think in a bipartisan manner... to think of things in black or white.
They have up or down, black or white, good or evil, left or right, liberal or conservative. Its a symptom of the maturity of our civilisation, and hopefully the next 50 years will see the population as a whole grow beyond this and eradicate the absurd bipartisan system.
Theres not black or white. there aren't even shades of gray. There's a spectrum of colours of varying intensity, white being a haze of all the colours, and black being an absense. Left & right are just two different directions along the circumference of the same circle. The liberal party was once liberal & the labor party often wants big government. They're just set up to be "Opposition" - its insane.
There are potentially as many different ideas as there are people, but until we all stop staring at the TV screens and start to think for ourselves, we will continue to be manipulated into this bipartisan way of thinking.
Our democracy is one created through trial and error, and not one which stands to serve any underlying principles (ie the notion that all men & women are equal in this country and all deserve an equal opportunity to participate in government)
Equally our "Australian way" is just a hodge podge of whatever johnny says it is at any given moment, just like bush manipulating patriotism to his own gain. This needs to be rethought so we can understand that democracy further suggests the equality of all human beings, and the logical conclusion of this is we must "live and let live" or "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" or "treat others as you wish to be treated" or "judge not lest ye be judged"
Choose your quote, the meaning is the same & is the basic principle this country and any other country that uses the word "Democracy" should be working toward. Every single thing that's passed should be passed with the intention of upholding this principle.
This surveilance nonsense definitely doesn't fit.
Need a flatmate in NZ?
I hear its beautiful weather down there.. oh and they're not fascists... which is nice.
For the love of god, someone get these politicians a hobby. They have far too much time and money at their disposal.
I'd like to see Blair, Bush & Bin Laden settle this over a good old game of marbles and leave us out of it.
Who the hell are these twirps? Never met them, never heard a SINGLE intelligent thing come out of any of their mouths and day after day they affect my life. They sit there in these strange black outfits with these weird nooses around their necks arguing about things which are obviously issues of semantics, breaking every rule of intelligent debate & rationalisation and prompting the media beast to artificially inflate these "issues" so that the bored apathetic masses get up in arms and keep them voted in.
We're throwing away our freedoms so the media can make you pay for & drink sugar water.
The extreme views speak in loud, inflamatory soundbytes that serve to sell advertising to gullible viewers: "X is EVIL" "ALL Y DESERVE TO DIE" while the moderate, intelligent, rational view is obscured and diffused by its truthful verbosity and its inherent "unmarketability"
Sometimes I just bang my head against the wall at the complete insanity of it all.
I agree, portability appeals to me.
There are two things i'd like to see:
In the short term I'd like to see a portable interface, so I can bring my windows mouse gestures, keyboard macros saved passwords etc to other computers and just utilise their processing power. I customise my interface as many do, to the point where it is vastly different from others. I can only see interface diversity increasing in the future.
The other is I would like the data throughput of the net brought up to a speed that can handle the information on a screen and the keyboard & mouse information in real time.
My mind can only ever access 1280x1024 pixels of data and keyboard/mouse input at any given moment (more as the HCI advances) so the HD space & speed of the interface computer becomes redundant. We should really work on taking advantage of this to decentralise rather than shift the centralisation to corporations.
Perhaps if remote desktop became more user friendly and accessable, companies could host processing farms and you could use your own portable OS to access as many processors as you could afford for a given task.
The highest suicide rate...
and the highest consumption of raw/undercooked meat.
hmm.
Well we all know that only assholes have opinions (which leaves only assholes to make decisions.. great) but I thought I'd throw in my two cents
Gmail updates whether I like it or not. I'm always using the latest version, so now i'm stuck with a fking IM client for a mail host.
Hamachi doesn't run online, but phones home constantly and nags you relentlessly to "update to version X.X" every time they release a minor bug fix. When you give in and click "update" the thing is riddled with new bugs the previous version didn't have.
iTunes is similar. I never wanted all the bloat the latest versions give me. Thank christ its not an online prog. I can run the version I choose.
I spent $99 on HalfLife 2 and *cannot* play it anymore because of the very poor "Phone Home" code in steam that refuses to contact the server.
I got locked out of *my own* computer once for a day after an XP update. That wasn't cheap
I'm desparately trying to swap to linux to avoid the Vista DRM hell.
I love accessing my software from this computer remotely (using hamachi at present, but this seems to be an under developed tech) & would love to use a web interface to access info & software from my home PC from any device at any time, but I would like to retain the power over what runs on *my* pc & where that info is stored.
Why can't we take advantage of multi CPU software using networked PCs?
Absolutely, and the point I was trying to make is that far from it being a republican problem or a democrat problem it is the same problem throughout the leadership of the world.
It is almost as if the current fashion of leadership is to polarise debate and oppress dissent.
People must figure out their principles and work toward protecting them *using* their principles.
This means the would be suicide bombers and the would be freedom fighters really are fighting for the same thing if the "leaders" weren't manipulating them with this polarisation technique.
"In a system such as in the U.S. you should ALWAYS try to work change from WITHIN the law FIRST." - the really sad part about this is that the law has nothing to do with it. I doubt dissent in china is outlawed, nor in nazi germany. Its never against the law to intimidate.
"You must fight for peace" "you must give up your liberties for freedom" "you must murder for utopia"
Jesus fucking christ are people really falling for this doublespeak propaganda?
USA: Put a stop to this NOW.
Watch as dissent becomes a threat to national security.
Do you really believe this is to stop terrorism?
What side are you on?
No I don't mean "With us or with the terrorists" trite.
I mean what side are you on?
The side of freedom, self-government, equality, tolerance?
or the side of oppression, protection, surveilance, revenge?
There are people from all nations who represent both sides. Some are fighting for the "terrorists" and some are fighting for the "freedom fighters"
People like Bush & Osama have tried to polarise this for their own agendas by hijacking the english language with doublespeak like "Freedom", "Honour" and "PATRIOTism" and the "With us or against us" rhetoric, but don't be mistaken.
If you don't put a stop to this *Now* you will regret it.