Sounds a lot different then your first claim, but will allow it, say they do offer the full package as a tarball because they are required to upload it and make it available, then that tarball becomes the patch, not a batch of patches.
As you say, Oracle cherry pciks what they want and leaves the rest, but as a customer i am allowed to pick which patches i download and install, and which i do not want, because xyz reason i think something is unstable in my work environment, just because RH needs something fixed, does not mean i am ready to create a situation in my environment, which is why rpms allow you to select which to install and which to leave behind....
Based on your description, you are claiming, that RH is forcing users to install all that is part of their package, I would say this would hurt their customer base, more then anything....they managed to make 1billion dollars even with Oracle doing what they do, I would say leave it as is, and keep doing what your doing, as soon as you do fix something that aint broke, you play with fire....i guess only time will tell....
-- There are many types of people in the world, those who work for RH and those who don't
>Nothing in the GPL says that you can't make money directly from GPL'ed software
Have you read any of the forms when you try to create a new software and apply for any of the said possible GPL options out there....clear as day, about making money being a no,no....black and white, there are many forms, some partial, some full, but the one that RH is using for Linux seems to me to fall under the one that they can not charge for the said code or the corrections...
Of course, I know nothing about programming, and nothing about computers, and binary to me is just all about 011101010010000001110010001000000111011101110010011011110110111001100111
Just as long as microsoft is not saying that a software that is properly created, but maybe made from using a pirated visual studio, does not fall in the category of being a pirated software, as I see this is where they tend to blur the lines. A software that is pirated, would be a software that is created on the 1 of march by x programmer, and then the 1 of august you have an exact duplicate of the same software being sold by y programmer calling it different name, but doing everything exactly the same as the first app, maybe even same GUI.
MS has this weird notion that if you used their VS200x to make a software, and that you did not pay your license or that it expired, then it is not a proper software and could be considered pirated, unless they stake claim to it themselves, as you used their product to code with.... I am blurry on how litigation interprets these lines, but with the amazing amounts of patent trolls out there, i would not put it past them that this is what they are trying to do with this one...
I agree, however RH fails to realize that whatever code they are applying to the kernel does not belong to them, it belongs to the open source community of Linux, which is an open distribution that everyone is allowed to code for and as such deploy, but can not directly make money from, and this business model that RH says they are using, is supposed to be only for the service and support they offer with their packaged distro, however, keeping code secret, and making it that now what you pay for is the extra code that they are keeping to themselves, that only works on the linux kernel, so you can not say it was developed for anything else, means they are breaking the open license agreement, however, 1 billion dollars can grease a lot of palms, unless of course Linus gets involved...
Humans have this notion their science as it is now, is 100% complete, and yet, when I know that there are so many new ways of seeing things, x-ray,ultraviolet,infrared, etc.... which have been developed in the last 50 years or so, you tend to think, there might be a few more spectrums we know nothing about, not even its existence, so why think that all we know is all there is, why not leave some room for discoveries, like this goo, its a 4th type of creation material, but there could be a 5th, 6th, 7th we don't know about, what I dont get is why the science community is so surprised by this, hell sounds like they are not ready to accept there could be more yet to be explained.
Isn't Comodo a AV software company, I thought there were very few companies that truly had the power to hand on SSL certs. or I guess I am wrong, verisign, no? If any company can start handing out certs, especially to big companies that are public on the stock exchange, so that such a move could affect stock prices, I would say a better regulation needs to be in play....maybe there could be some international action on this, not some lone company (like comodo) that has access to such important security issues.
Most of the mantle is not molten lava like at a volcano...it's highly viscous rock that is more solid than liquid. The lava you're thinking of only occurs where there are "mantle plumes" that are more melty than the surrounding mantle, heated by the outer core.
Earth's mantle, isn't this way past the first crust....? Something tells me the lava that flows under the crust is not the same as the stuff that is closer to the core, but then again I am no scientist am I, I may be just seriously stupid or just a troll
I guess these guys are not CSI, or even scientist for that matter.... >or the fact that it was cushioned by the brush that it hit Of course if you found it in the bush, then it was cushioned, as anyone knows that some material to cushion the fall takes some of the impact away from the object, and that means as well that it landed on grass or dirt underneath, and not pure cement (i never seen a brush grow in the middle of a street)....so again another reason why it was ok, I am glad that his iphone is ok, as I have one, and could not live without it, but get a clue, it was not apple or the cell phone, it was the environment it landed in,....
If you really want a test.., try letting it fall from the plane into water, then go find it, then tell me that it is not wet, and its a miracle, then i will praise apple for creating the perfect phone, until then....
Well, that or, GOD HOW COULD WE HAVE KNOWN THAT BY MAKING SUCH A HOLE INTO THE CRUST WE WOULD HAVE RELEASED UN UNCONTROLLABLE AMOUNT OF LAVA AND COMPLETELY DISRUPT THE CORES SPIN....or any other type of spin on this you want.....
They could not figure out how to contain the oil spill in the gulf of mexico, making it the worst oil disaster in history, and it was not even a spill, it was just a tube that in the end needed to be capped, and now they want to make a hole, where lava can spew out, where absolutely nothing will be able to contain it, able to withstand that heat, as oil spill was just oil, no heat to contend with....
I just see this as REALLY, WE REALLY NEED TO SPEND ALL THIS MONEY JUST TO MAKE A HOLE AND SAY SEE WHAT I DID, I MADE A HOLE... NOW LETS LOOK INSIDE...
Sounds to me like a stupid teenager that needs to have a body piercing because they can, until later in life they realize what a waste that was....but oh well, go get the Armageddon gear out of my closet I guess
Exactly, shows how little the PM knows about computers and what he is suggesting is going to affect such a broad spectrum of things, although here at work, we block gmail and hotmail, but this is only to avoid too much time spent on those sites, not for blocking uploading and downloading, as we still need to be able to do that for our daily activities.
If this judge is anything like the judge that ruled in favor of the FTC when they had that grandma being sued, and ended up owing something like 150000, i forget the details (old/. story) but I would love for the judge to set a precedent here, and show just how stupid the courts are with copyright lawsuits, and infringement, and then maybe we can all have a revolution, and rebel against our FTC and MOVIE/MUSIC company overlords that surely line the insides of the judges pockets...
>If the Times succeeds in shutting this down, it could have a chilling effect for Twitter and online free speech in general. When are we going to stick with tech news, reading your daily times through twitter hardly counts as geekspeak dudes, wake up and smell the java, or fire cmdtaco for letting it turn this bad, but do something!
The only monopoly, is that they played by the rules from the get go, had napster done so too, they would have been on top today, limewire is the same, no one is charging for downloads, so they get nabbed, meanwhile itunes is not charging enough for the artist to get enough money, but enough to keep the record cos off their backs, so they get to keep playing without getting 75 trillion dollar lawsuits.
It made it sound like there was chip failure everywhere, as machines were not functioning because of faulty chips designed and sent out from japan, due to the nuclear crisis.....then i reread what they were saying in the description, and wow, talk about misleading your readers. Sure there will be shortages of stuff from japan fro a while, they are still dealing with a massive disaster, would you expect haiti to send you out all your clothing goods you got made over there, if half the country is still living in small tents...???
What they do not understand is people's absolution. If they want to share, they will, they are going to throttle torrent, because it is an open protocol , until the next protocol that replaces it, because of what they are trying to do now....then you'll get another one, then another one, until finally they give up, so might as well just give up now, and embrace it for the great tool it is, the only reason it is open source, is to allow a) people to see the code so as to trust what it does, and b) to get more feedback quicker once bugs are found and solve it sooner....they never HAD to make it public....next one might be private and encrypted, and pass through port 80 to really screw things up....
They know this will hurt their wallet, and are using this as the only means to pin point a good reason why not allow it. First off, someone failing a D&D test would also not be smart enough to remember to use an iphone to evade cops.
And if someone realizes that this is to avoid speed traps, to warn people of possible traffic because of accidents, then become a bit more cunning in setting up your traps, once you nab 2 or 3, move to a next vantage point, and stop thinking that you can sit there for 3 hours to get your monthly quota of tickets. I have friends that are cops, but they never tell me where they will be, I get to find out when i speed past a trap, so if I have a website or app that tells me this, I will consult it to watch my speed, not to change course...
They should also ban the iPhone because you can open it up and stash some drugs inside if you remove the hard drive, and they would never know at the airport....they should ban the iphone for that....or wait they could ban politicians altogether, because you can hide drugs by sticking some up their *sses, so technically it is being used for something it was not designed to, so let's abolish all politicians because people can use them to carry drugs across borders.
Is this the same type of sludge that will come alive and give me a black spidey suit? Or is this more the type to become huge, and start eating up a whole town, I got to know, before I fire up my beakers...and Bunsen burners
Corrupt, as in the politicians? Please explain, I have a friend from there, and he never mentioned the problems being corrupted officials, he mentioned that anytime investors tried to invest to return the downtown into something worthwhile, they met with failure....I dont know how much of it is because people are not interested, and how much of it is because of corrupted people as you say, mind sighting references to what you speak of?
Does he still play world of warcraft, is so, I would say he is probably the oldest player, unless ozzy is older..... Seriously, Happy BDay dude.....not that your geek enough to read/., but just the same, great to see your still this active at your age, and funny too.
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Sounds a lot different then your first claim, but will allow it, say they do offer the full package as a tarball because they are required to upload it and make it available, then that tarball becomes the patch, not a batch of patches.
As you say, Oracle cherry pciks what they want and leaves the rest, but as a customer i am allowed to pick which patches i download and install, and which i do not want, because xyz reason i think something is unstable in my work environment,
just because RH needs something fixed, does not mean i am ready to create a situation in my environment, which is why rpms allow you to select which to install and which to leave behind....
Based on your description, you are claiming, that RH is forcing users to install all that is part of their package, I would say this would hurt their customer base, more then anything....they managed to make 1billion dollars even with Oracle doing what they do, I would say leave it as is, and keep doing what your doing, as soon as you do fix something that aint broke, you play with fire....i guess only time will tell....
-- There are many types of people in the world, those who work for RH and those who don't
>Nothing in the GPL says that you can't make money directly from GPL'ed software
Have you read any of the forms when you try to create a new software and apply for any of the said possible GPL options out there....clear as day, about making money being a no,no....black and white, there are many forms, some partial, some full, but the one that RH is using for Linux seems to me to fall under the one that they can not charge for the said code or the corrections...
Of course, I know nothing about programming, and nothing about computers, and binary to me is just all about
011101010010000001110010001000000111011101110010011011110110111001100111
TY for the reference point, was unaware of this, always thought Comodo was AV/firewall first...
Just as long as microsoft is not saying that a software that is properly created, but maybe made from using a pirated visual studio, does not fall in the category of being a pirated software, as I see this is where they tend to blur the lines. A software that is pirated, would be a software that is created on the 1 of march by x programmer, and then the 1 of august you have an exact duplicate of the same software being sold by y programmer calling it different name, but doing everything exactly the same as the first app, maybe even same GUI.
MS has this weird notion that if you used their VS200x to make a software, and that you did not pay your license or that it expired, then it is not a proper software and could be considered pirated, unless they stake claim to it themselves, as you used their product to code with....
I am blurry on how litigation interprets these lines, but with the amazing amounts of patent trolls out there, i would not put it past them that this is what they are trying to do with this one...
I agree, however RH fails to realize that whatever code they are applying to the kernel does not belong to them, it belongs to the open source community of Linux, which is an open distribution that everyone is allowed to code for and as such deploy, but can not directly make money from, and this business model that RH says they are using, is supposed to be only for the service and support they offer with their packaged distro, however, keeping code secret, and making it that now what you pay for is the extra code that they are keeping to themselves, that only works on the linux kernel, so you can not say it was developed for anything else, means they are breaking the open license agreement, however, 1 billion dollars can grease a lot of palms, unless of course Linus gets involved...
I was not aware that ARIN had control on who has the ip address blocks
Humans have this notion their science as it is now, is 100% complete, and yet, when I know that there are so many new ways of seeing things, x-ray,ultraviolet,infrared, etc.... which have been developed in the last 50 years or so, you tend to think, there might be a few more spectrums we know nothing about, not even its existence, so why think that all we know is all there is, why not leave some room for discoveries, like this goo, its a 4th type of creation material, but there could be a 5th, 6th, 7th we don't know about, what I dont get is why the science community is so surprised by this, hell sounds like they are not ready to accept there could be more yet to be explained.
Agreed, also, this has nothing to do with technology, and our geekspeak in this corner, yet again cmdtaco lets this crap fly.
Isn't Comodo a AV software company, I thought there were very few companies that truly had the power to hand on SSL certs. or I guess I am wrong, verisign, no? If any company can start handing out certs, especially to big companies that are public on the stock exchange, so that such a move could affect stock prices, I would say a better regulation needs to be in play....maybe there could be some
international action on this, not some lone company (like comodo) that has access to such important security issues.
Most of the mantle is not molten lava like at a volcano...it's highly viscous rock that is more solid than liquid. The lava you're thinking of only occurs where there are "mantle plumes" that are more melty than the surrounding mantle, heated by the outer core.
Earth's mantle, isn't this way past the first crust....? Something tells me the lava that flows under the crust is not the same as the stuff that is closer to the core, but then again I am no scientist am I, I may be just seriously stupid or just a troll
I guess these guys are not CSI, or even scientist for that matter.... ....
>or the fact that it was cushioned by the brush that it hit
Of course if you found it in the bush, then it was cushioned, as anyone knows that some material to cushion the fall takes some of the impact away from the object, and that means as well that it landed on grass or dirt underneath, and not pure cement (i never seen a brush grow in the middle of a street)....so again another reason why it was ok, I am glad that his iphone is ok, as I have one, and could not live without it, but get a clue, it was not apple or the cell phone, it was the environment it landed in,
If you really want a test.., try letting it fall from the plane into water, then go find it, then tell me that it is not wet, and its a miracle, then i will praise apple for creating the perfect phone, until then....
Well, that or, GOD HOW COULD WE HAVE KNOWN THAT BY MAKING SUCH A HOLE INTO THE CRUST WE WOULD HAVE RELEASED UN UNCONTROLLABLE AMOUNT OF LAVA AND COMPLETELY DISRUPT THE CORES SPIN....or any other type of spin on this you want.....
They could not figure out how to contain the oil spill in the gulf of mexico, making it the worst oil disaster in history, and it was not even a spill, it was just a tube that in the end needed to be capped, and now they want to make a hole, where lava can spew out, where absolutely nothing will be able to contain it, able to withstand that heat, as oil spill was just oil, no heat to contend with....
I just see this as REALLY, WE REALLY NEED TO SPEND ALL THIS MONEY JUST TO MAKE A HOLE AND SAY SEE WHAT I DID, I MADE A HOLE... NOW LETS LOOK INSIDE...
Sounds to me like a stupid teenager that needs to have a body piercing because they can, until later in life they realize what a waste that was....but oh well, go get the Armageddon gear out of my closet I guess
Exactly, shows how little the PM knows about computers and what he is suggesting is going to affect such a broad spectrum of things, although here at work, we block gmail and hotmail, but this is only to avoid too much time spent on those sites, not for blocking uploading and downloading, as we still need to be able to do that for our daily activities.
If this judge is anything like the judge that ruled in favor of the FTC when they had that grandma being sued, and ended up owing something like 150000, i forget the details (old /. story) but I would love for the judge to set a precedent here, and show just how stupid the courts are with copyright lawsuits, and infringement, and then maybe we can all have a revolution, and rebel against our FTC and MOVIE/MUSIC company overlords that surely line the insides of the judges pockets...
>If the Times succeeds in shutting this down, it could have a chilling effect for Twitter and online free speech in general.
When are we going to stick with tech news, reading your daily times through twitter hardly counts as geekspeak dudes, wake up and smell the java, or fire cmdtaco for letting it turn this bad, but do something!
Google, yahoo, skype, they all have been compromised,
I am glad I shut down my computer, and writing this with my pen and paper...
The only monopoly, is that they played by the rules from the get go, had napster done so too, they would have been on top today, limewire is the same, no one is charging for downloads, so they get nabbed, meanwhile itunes is not charging enough for the artist to get enough money, but enough to keep the record cos off their backs, so they get to keep playing without getting 75 trillion dollar lawsuits.
Thats the only monopoly here....
It made it sound like there was chip failure everywhere, as machines were not functioning because of faulty chips designed and sent out from japan, due to the nuclear crisis.....then i reread what they were saying in the description, and wow, talk about misleading your readers.
Sure there will be shortages of stuff from japan fro a while, they are still dealing with a massive disaster, would you expect haiti to send you out all your clothing goods you got made over there, if half the country is still living in small tents...???
What they do not understand is people's absolution.
If they want to share, they will, they are going to throttle torrent, because it is an open protocol , until the next protocol that replaces it, because of what they are trying to do now....then you'll get another one, then another one, until finally they give up, so might as well just give up now, and embrace it for the great tool it is, the only reason it is open source, is to allow a) people to see the code so as to trust what it does, and b) to get more feedback quicker once bugs are found and solve it sooner....they never HAD to make it public....next one might be private and encrypted, and pass through port 80 to really screw things up....
They know this will hurt their wallet, and are using this as the only means to pin point a good reason why not allow it.
First off, someone failing a D&D test would also not be smart enough to remember to use an iphone to evade cops.
And if someone realizes that this is to avoid speed traps, to warn people of possible traffic because of accidents, then become a bit more cunning in setting up your traps, once you nab 2 or 3, move to a next vantage point, and stop thinking that you can sit there for 3 hours to get your monthly quota of tickets. I have friends that are cops, but they never tell me where they will be, I get to find out when i speed past a trap, so if I have a website or app that tells me this, I will consult it to watch my speed, not to change course...
They should also ban the iPhone because you can open it up and stash some drugs inside if you remove the hard drive, and they would never know at the airport....they should ban the iphone for that....or wait they could ban politicians altogether, because you can hide drugs by sticking some up their *sses, so technically it is being used for something it was not designed to, so let's abolish all politicians because people can use them to carry drugs across borders.
Is this the same type of sludge that will come alive and give me a black spidey suit?
Or is this more the type to become huge, and start eating up a whole town, I got to know, before I fire up my beakers...and Bunsen burners
Corrupt, as in the politicians?
Please explain, I have a friend from there, and he never mentioned the problems being corrupted officials, he mentioned that anytime investors tried to invest to return the downtown into something worthwhile, they met with failure....I dont know how much of it is because people are not interested, and how much of it is because of corrupted people as you say, mind sighting references to what you speak of?
It will only cost you 5$ and i can tell you who already throttles right now.....the UK,
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/03/22/2237225/UK-ISPs-Hatch-Plan-To-Block-the-Pirate-Bay-and-Other-File-Sharing-Sites
wow putting 2 and 2 together is a great payday.
Does he still play world of warcraft, is so, I would say he is probably the oldest player, unless ozzy is older..... /., but just the same, great to see your still this active at your age, and funny too.
Seriously, Happy BDay dude.....not that your geek enough to read