>there are most certainly legit apps for it, that's why they don't block it on buisness connections.
First smart thing you said... >I'm not a laywer either but I have enough sense to look things up In your own country maybe, not in mine....
>Mine is programming too So you agree that even if you are not a lawyer, you can know laws, as this statement of yours implies you are not in networking but think you know about it.
>I take it you're one of them Well, I don't think, so seeing as I am very active on/. on many different topics of interest anything from Alzheimer's being branded as a new type of diabetes, to monkeys being hooked up to machines with brain pads to move a robotic arm, to a laser being able to melt down plastics as a new form of plastic recycling, to the white house finally recuperating over a million lost emails, I tend to stay interested.
As for my field and adjacent fields, again I will stage my case, I am not sure which country you are in, but here, we have a different situation then yours obvisouly, and when you tell me the US can block a port on your internet, and you have nothing to do about it, I have a hard time swallowing what your are saying, even if you are right. If a phone company sold me a service, then all of a sudden, blocked the #2 key, it would impede the service they are contracting to me, and would be in breach of contract. Now, if you are putting up with your company blocking your port, and don't give a damn, that is your prerogative, but a quick google scan as you say, seems to be providing me with many lawsuits against these ISPs for doing such things, and a few documents about the government trying to step in to regulate it, so I am wondering, if you are talking about the situation as it changes, but citing old stuff, I dont know, I guess I really wont know until all the lawsuits are over and the last man is standing between the clients or the ISPs to know who won that battle.
>Feel free to prove me wrong Only once you take the time to answer my questions about YOUR background and experience in the field, feel free to add in some proof too of what you claim.
One of the reason why i hate these sites, people who do not know any better, trust them, and think life is honky dory, but problem is giving too much info can get you in trouble. So now they can get robbed, because someone knows they are in miami vacationing. I gotta say, brings a whole new era of data mining.
You are right, I concede, I know nothing about anything, you win. You may gloat in your own glory, you may bask in your omnipresence. I am not worthy, I am mere cattle in this world full of dung. Oh great swammy.
>Comcast most certainly does port 25 filtering.. filtering and blocking are 2 different things...my friend works in one such big place and although they do filter torrent traffic, they can not totally block it. There are still many legit applications that use this other then just illegal file sharing clients. As well suggesting they are blocking such an important port that would affect many enterprises on so many different levels, just shows me how little you know.
>You know nothing about the law. I am not a lawyer, no but what I do know comes from contact with aspects of my job that force me to know those laws that apply. >You know nothing about the internet even on a technical level.
>You know nothing about how ISP's are run. I have friends that work in such companies, and explain to me their problems regularly, my field is programming not networking, however that might seem the same to you.
>You seem to know almost nothing about networking. Again, my point, I know programming, and any networking associated with what I need to get done, if I need to set up special host files that look up different dns servers because my app needs to remain anonymous, I guess i could rely on my lack of networking knowledge...but i would not get far.
>Stop pretending to be some kind of programmer or expert on anything at all. My boss will be happy with that comment, he asks me all the time why I take such a long time to unit test all my stuff, and I could tell him it's because i know nothing of what I am doing. He thinks it's a waste of time, and I try to tell him otherwise, but I guess maybe that now I know that I know nothing about what I am doing, then I could just tell him to go ahead without it.
Just for the record, how many years of development do you have under your belt? How many ISP companies have you worked for... How many accounting firms have hired you in the past... How many lawyers have consulted you in an effort to get to know the law more... How many small circles does it take to....nm that one you definitely wouldn't know.
Many hardcore players are leaving WoW, because they feel blizzard has catered too much to the new ones coming in and asking to make things easier, etc... sometimes just because a client wants to be able to shoot bubbles out of his ship's gunnery, does not mean it will make a good game.
Which country are you in again, I guess they do it differently where you are...here, we are not blocked as such a thing is illegal, they would be held accountable for selling you a service to you that you could not use.
Knowing about your county's ISP ruling, vs. mine is not something I can know everything about@
That is a good point, however like bandwidth is now controlled by the government as to how much they can charge you for over used bandwidth, a cap....there could be a cap too for the email situation.
Obviously WoW is an ONLINE game, because blizzard made it that way, now Ubisoft wants to cash in on that same cash cow, and yes they are saying you need to use the internet to play all the time, so they can data mine your ass.
If you don't like it, just don't buy their game, however last time I checked...he who makes the game, makes the rules. However, maybe you need an internet connection now for that too....???
I agree, however sometimes even having backups means diddly squat, especially if the admin was never smart enough to test the backup system's integrity. I worked in one place where we had backups galore, until one day we needed to restore a db, and when we asked for it, it took 2 hours to rummage through to find one backup predating even the installation of our db, we were screwed. The disk failure, made it impossible to recover the mdf and ldf files off the disk, and without having checked that each night the backup image made was ok to use for a restore, we never knew that the backups were not good ones until it was too late.
Sadly, the admin lost his job over this one, and I think left IT altogether.
ummm....can I see your credentials first before spewing out garbage?
Do you work for M$, are you a techie, do you even have more then one PC with multi configs running multi apps concurrently, to make an experienced argument.
I can run windows XP on a 252mb P2 no problems, until i start to open too many apps, but till then it runs very smooth, windows7 is the same architechture, just more bloated, with lots of wrappers for those previous wrappers, etc... Why would it be any different. Did they change the files ystem all together, and use ext3, did they change the way they handle paging or caching....no.
>It has no central authority... You obviously do not know the web, speaking out your arse... the ISPs give you your address, and associate the emails we all use to those addresses. So technically the ISPs control the emails. The DNS servers control the traffic schema used to get from point A to point B, so again I would say the DNS servers could also be contributed to being authority for the internet.
That's just it, the ISPs do not care enough, unless you make it law for them too. What if they are not part of a botnet, but legit and need to send out millions of free newsletters....your approach is contradictory to your previous claim.
>Ok we've got a real newbie here >I. do. not. live. in. the. US Ok, that explains everything, you are a noob foreigner! Let me make it simple for you to understand seeing as you can not even grasp that 12 years development as a software developer would count as credentials.... THE US IS THE GOVERNING BODY FOR THE INTERNET. IT WAS CREATED IN THE US, IT IS RUN BY THE US (by this, i mean standards). IT IS ALSO ICANN THAT DECIDES MANY OF THE INHABITING LAWS WITHIN IT, IT TO IS AMERICAN. THE CERTIFICATES FOR WEB IS ALSO CONTROLLED BY THE US.
I know you do not live there, but at least have respect for the people that brought you what you use today as your main means of communication.
As for my example about tv tax which explains a perfect rebuttal seems to be completely ignored, and not given a second mention, leading me to believe that you just like to be the devil's advocate, and you have no real intention to maturely debate any points, merely try to irritate a fellow (/.)man.
Good luck to you in that life of yours, however bleak.
>your ideas have been proposed and shot down hundreds of times By the likes of you, maybe , seeing as you are not even aware there is a governing body the the internet as a whole...i won't waste my time educating you any longer. Anyone that has been programming as long as I have and dealt with multitudes of problems related to different technologies for the web, would have a clear understanding of what I am throwing at them, I see you do not.
My credentials speak for themselves...as for your ignorance in the accounting past of what I said, you should pay closer attention to what is going on in your own country.
The US is proposing a tv tax now, for you to enjoy your television, how do you propose they will collect that, from your door? Obviously not, the cable companies will get asked to add an amount to the bill they send you, and the government will do their diligent job of following the paper trail the cable companies set up for such a thing.
There are those that have ideas, and those that don't. The ones that don't are only as good as their critiquing.
"The best way to predict the future is to invent it....Darwin"
You seem to have missed the point, the answer is not to stop spammers from spamming, but to bring awareness that a user's pc has been hacked, and is spewing emails using their (choose your ISP for this...Verizon?) email account.
The billing going to ma and pa kettle would let them know they have to secure their pc, which would lead to the removal of the infection, and let them be a little more aware of the dangers of 1) running without AV 2) not keeping updated 3) having no configured firewall 4) leaving their internet on all day and night for no reason...you get the point.
Get rid of a million or so infected computers from someone's botnet, and you have seriously damaged his output capacity, making it no more profitable then begging for quarters on the side of the road.
When i meant becomes the law, I was talking about the ISP providing a billing for each email, and you having to pay for the service of sending an email...no matter how small a fee. Just like accounting has its own laws, which decree for every billing debit there needs to be a billing credit...if you know what I mean.
You can always enforce this with fines if the companies do not want to adhere to your law. As for if this imaginary law of mine would ever see the light of day, and you were to create a new service...that would mean you would be able to build a preventative way into it of making sure that people that are using it, will be monitored in such a way as to prevent being able to abuse your service....lack there of by you to create a way for your service to be secure would be like a credit card company creating a useless encryption....no one would use it.
This statement shows how clueless the author is about why hackers chose Adobe. >Exactly why hackers choose Adobe as their prime target is tougher to divine Adobe apparently has 99% market share for the PDF industry....as well offers free readers without the need for license or redistribution. If you think also that almost all windows machines have some form of adobe reader, writer or other installed on them, and most apps cross communicate formats, then you can see why the most successful hacks are PDF files.
I use foxit pdf viewer, as it does not contain all the vulnerabilities that adobe does, as it does not allow javascript etc. for the same reason i prefer firefox over IE
I remember buying my P3 laptop with 512 mb ram and 68 gb hdd (dual bay) and cd burner with 15@ screen and using it for school to learn programming (at a whopping 5k$ back then...ouch, saw one today on ebay for 100$)
It still competes with all the others when you know how to set up winxp to run smoothly. I had sqlserver dbs on it, had asp.net websites running, used vs2005, and even have multi boot, with 6 diff OS (those modular bays are great)
I have one instance of win2003 and vs2008 running, to see if it can handle it, and yes there is a small lag, but man, I can still program with the best of them on this thing.
M$ has always forced to go and upgrade hardware and software in a vicious circle. Problem is, we do not need to, even a P4 which I have 3 of personally, run winxp and are great, some faster then others, and 1 dual core...just to play WoW.
Unless the world ends or someone has broken or stolen my computers, I do not see myself replacing those machines for another 20 years. Why run a multi core processor just to read your emails, or surf the web, it is ridiculous....but get the latest game, and you are screwed into getting a 1gb video card and multi core 2gb ram machine just to see "the cool" graphics.
After WoW, I am not getting any other game, I prefer just sticking with WoW or any of my older games. As for my machines, I use them as I need them, I even have a p2 laptop running xp just to use for playing music, but it has sqlserver dbs and vb6.0 on it as well.
They are like children with their ears covered and screaming, I cant hear you, la,la,la,la,la. If I wish hard enough, will it go away? Wow, we really voted for these people?
ps- Did the folks they used to review the environmental stats, have access to the archives that the scientific body has dating back 100s of years, or did they go out and get the last 5 years to make an analysis? even then,. the last 5 years have seen more abnormal weather patterns then ever.
The zombie computers have owners which are not even aware that they are part of a botnet, this is more the direction i was going in, trying to spark some awareness in the owner that when he receives his bill, would realize that he is obviously spewing out metric tons of spam, and needs to resolve the situation.
Your post advocates a (x) lack of technical knowdlegde (X) ignorance () dumbass comment ( ) poor choice of words
Here's why your thoughts on why my idea will not work do not hold water (X) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected Of course they would, and that is the reason why they incorporate it into the billing, being legit, they would do that, non legit, not so much.
(X) Users of email will not put up with it You put up with being charged per phone call on your cell with a cap per month, don't you?
(X) Microsoft will not put up with it M$ has nothing to say about the amount of emails coming or going, as long as they make money on the licenses using the software to do such actions, and might even create a new one to help monitor this new functionality, and make even more profits. (X) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
Specifically, your plan fails to account for (X) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email Because we do not have a governing body for the internet as a whole??? Wow...(rollseyes) (X) Open relays in foreign countries So what you are saying is that international communication does not exist by internet (X) Asshats Explain this one to me, I am sure I my visual does not do you justice (X) Jurisdictional problems Each country have their own cell phone companies, why would this be any different? (X) Unpopularity of weird new taxes Wow, i mentioned a payment structure for a service, and you already want to tax it, even though it would be the companies making money on this that would pay their revenue taxes, you should become a politician. (X) Huge existing software investment in SMTP Adding a few lines of code, or a new service into an already existing infrasrtucture is not the end of the world...look at when spam first came out, or when dns cache poisoning came out, it is doable if we want to get it done. (X) Extreme profitability of spam Exactly my point, now non legit spammers will have to raise their prices, and force their clients to rethink if they want to spend 10 times the amount of money to keep spamming, for that 1% that are gullible enough to think the nigerian king is really trying to send them his money. (X) Technically illiterate politicians Have i mentioned you should run for politics... (X) Outlook The software, or your bleak vision of what our future HAS to be...
and the following philosophical objections may also apply: (X) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical None have been implemented at the level that let's say DNS cahce poisoning has, and needs to be.
(X) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation Wow, tell that to the white house with their million or so emails that went missing and forced Obama to rethink his cyber policies for future presidents to come.
(X) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually This can not be phased in slowly, it has to be done one shot like digital tv was, for it to work. (X) Sending email should be free Your sentiment, not mine. (X) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough Killing who exactly, slashdot readers? Your doing a good job so far...
Furthermore, this is what I think about you: (X) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work. Sorry dude, your self absorbed ranting about what you think without at least giving any real sound proof of your background in this field or any real points to substantiate your claims, make me think you are just trying to push an opinion, and like mine no one really cares, the difference between yours and mine, is I understand my opinion does not matter, but the idea I am trying to convey is to try and help by offering a potential idea to help others, you only have managed to waste my time, and yours by trying to grab some 15 minutes of fame by shooting down someone's idea.
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I agree, but I hate to see people lose their jobs, especially during these times.
>there are most certainly legit apps for it, that's why they
don't block it on buisness connections.
First smart thing you said...
>I'm not a laywer either but I have enough sense to look things up
In your own country maybe, not in mine....
>Mine is programming too
So you agree that even if you are not a lawyer, you can know laws, as this statement
of yours implies you are not in networking but think you know about it.
>I take it you're one of them /. on many different topics of interest
Well, I don't think, so seeing as I am very active on
anything from Alzheimer's being branded as a new type of diabetes, to monkeys
being hooked up to machines with brain pads to move a robotic arm, to a laser being
able to melt down plastics as a new form of plastic recycling, to the white house finally
recuperating over a million lost emails, I tend to stay interested.
As for my field and adjacent fields, again I will stage my case, I am not sure which country you are in, but here, we have a different situation then yours obvisouly, and when you tell me the US can block a port on your internet, and you have nothing to do about it, I have a hard
time swallowing what your are saying, even if you are right. If a phone company sold me a service, then all of a sudden, blocked the #2 key, it would impede the service they are contracting to me, and would be in breach of contract. Now, if you are putting up with your company blocking your
port, and don't give a damn, that is your prerogative, but a quick google scan as you say, seems to be providing me with many lawsuits against these ISPs for doing such things, and a few documents about the government trying to step in to regulate it, so I am wondering, if you are talking about the situation as it changes, but citing old stuff, I dont know, I guess I really wont know until all the lawsuits are over and the last man is standing between the clients or the ISPs
to know who won that battle.
>Feel free to prove me wrong
Only once you take the time to answer my questions about
YOUR background and experience in the field, feel free
to add in some proof too of what you claim.
One of the reason why i hate these sites, people who do not know any better, trust them, and think life is honky dory, but problem is giving too much info can get you in trouble. So now they can get robbed, because someone knows they are in miami vacationing.
I gotta say, brings a whole new era of data mining.
You are right, I concede, I know nothing about anything, you win.
You may gloat in your own glory, you may bask in your omnipresence.
I am not worthy, I am mere cattle in this world full of dung.
Oh great swammy.
shoooo, now go away!
careful your ignorance is showing
>Comcast most certainly does port 25 filtering..
filtering and blocking are 2 different things...my friend works
in one such big place and although they do filter torrent traffic,
they can not totally block it. There are still many legit applications that use this
other then just illegal file sharing clients.
As well suggesting they are blocking such an important port that would affect
many enterprises on so many different levels, just shows me how little you know.
>You know nothing about the law.
I am not a lawyer, no but what I do know comes from contact with aspects of my job that force me to know those laws that apply.
>You know nothing about the internet even on a technical level.
>You know nothing about how ISP's are run.
I have friends that work in such companies, and explain to me their problems regularly,
my field is programming not networking, however that might seem the same to you.
>You seem to know almost nothing about networking.
Again, my point, I know programming, and any networking associated with what I need to get done,
if I need to set up special host files that look up different dns servers because my app needs to remain anonymous, I guess i could rely on my lack of networking knowledge...but i would not get far.
>Stop pretending to be some kind of programmer or expert on anything at all.
My boss will be happy with that comment, he asks me all the time why I take such a long time to unit test all my stuff, and I could tell him it's because i know nothing of what I am doing.
He thinks it's a waste of time, and I try to tell him otherwise, but I guess maybe that now I know
that I know nothing about what I am doing, then I could just tell him to go ahead without it.
Just for the record, how many years of development do you have under your belt? ....nm that one you definitely wouldn't know.
How many ISP companies have you worked for...
How many accounting firms have hired you in the past...
How many lawyers have consulted you in an effort to get to know the law more...
How many small circles does it take to
Many hardcore players are leaving WoW, because they feel blizzard has catered too much to the new ones coming in and asking to make things easier, etc... sometimes just because a client wants to be able to shoot bubbles out of his ship's gunnery, does not mean it will make a good game.
Which country are you in again, I guess they do it differently
where you are...here, we are not blocked as such a thing is illegal, they would be
held accountable for selling you a service to you that you could not use.
Knowing about your county's ISP ruling, vs. mine is not something I can know everything about@
That is a good point, however like bandwidth is now controlled by the government as to how much they can charge you for over used bandwidth, a cap....there could be a cap too for the email situation.
Obviously WoW is an ONLINE game, because blizzard made it that way,
now Ubisoft wants to cash in on that same cash cow, and yes they are saying you
need to use the internet to play all the time, so they can data mine your ass.
If you don't like it, just don't buy their game, however last time I checked...he who makes
the game, makes the rules. However, maybe you need an internet connection now for that too....???
I agree, however sometimes even having backups means diddly squat, especially if the admin was never smart enough to test the backup system's integrity. I worked in one place where we had backups galore, until one day we needed to restore a db, and when we asked for it, it took 2 hours to rummage through to find one backup predating even the installation of our db, we were screwed. The disk failure, made it impossible to recover the mdf and ldf files off the disk, and without having checked that each night the backup image made was ok to use for a restore, we never knew that the backups were not good ones until it was too late.
Sadly, the admin lost his job over this one, and I think left IT altogether.
ummm....can I see your credentials first before spewing out garbage?
Do you work for M$, are you a techie, do you even have more then one PC with multi configs
running multi apps concurrently, to make an experienced argument.
I can run windows XP on a 252mb P2 no problems, until i start to open too many apps, but till then it runs very smooth,
windows7 is the same architechture, just more bloated, with lots of wrappers for those previous wrappers, etc...
Why would it be any different. Did they change the files ystem all together, and use ext3, did they change the way they handle paging or caching....no.
Same rules apply here as in windowsXP.
Blizzard already does this with WoW, why the big deal? It is a proven business model that works for making money endlessly
>It has no central authority...
You obviously do not know the web, speaking out your arse...
the ISPs give you your address, and associate the emails we all use to those addresses.
So technically the ISPs control the emails. The DNS servers control the traffic schema used to get from point A to point B, so again I would say the DNS servers could also be contributed to
being authority for the internet.
Sheesh, like talking to a brick wall...
That's just it, the ISPs do not care enough, unless you make it law for them too.
What if they are not part of a botnet, but legit and need to send out
millions of free newsletters....your approach is contradictory to your previous claim.
You really do not know business do you...
>Ok we've got a real newbie here
>I. do. not. live. in. the. US
Ok, that explains everything, you are a noob foreigner!
Let me make it simple for you to understand seeing as you can not even grasp that 12 years development as a software developer would count as credentials....
THE US IS THE GOVERNING BODY FOR THE INTERNET.
IT WAS CREATED IN THE US, IT IS RUN BY THE US (by this, i mean standards).
IT IS ALSO ICANN THAT DECIDES MANY OF THE INHABITING LAWS WITHIN IT, IT TO IS AMERICAN.
THE CERTIFICATES FOR WEB IS ALSO CONTROLLED BY THE US.
I know you do not live there, but at least have respect for the people that brought you
what you use today as your main means of communication.
As for my example about tv tax which explains a perfect rebuttal seems to be completely ignored, and not given a second mention, leading me to believe that you just like to be the devil's advocate, and you have no real intention to maturely debate any points, merely try to
irritate a fellow (/.)man.
Good luck to you in that life of yours, however bleak.
>your ideas have been proposed and shot down hundreds of times
By the likes of you, maybe , seeing as you are not even aware there is a governing body the the internet as a whole...i won't waste my time educating you any longer.
Anyone that has been programming as long as I have and dealt with multitudes of problems
related to different technologies for the web, would have a clear understanding of what I am throwing at them, I see you do not.
My credentials speak for themselves...as for your ignorance in the accounting past of what I said, you should pay closer attention to what is going on in your own country.
The US is proposing a tv tax now, for you to enjoy your television, how do you propose they will collect that, from your door? Obviously not, the cable companies will get asked to add an amount to the bill they send you, and the government will do their diligent job of following the paper trail the cable companies set up for such a thing.
There are those that have ideas, and those that don't.
The ones that don't are only as good as their critiquing.
"The best way to predict the future is to invent it....Darwin"
You seem to have missed the point, the answer is not to stop spammers from spamming, but to bring awareness that a user's pc has been hacked, and is spewing emails using their (choose your ISP for this ...Verizon?) email account.
The billing going to ma and pa kettle would let them know they have to secure their pc, which would lead to the removal of the infection, and let them be a little more aware of the dangers of ...you get the point.
1) running without AV
2) not keeping updated
3) having no configured firewall
4) leaving their internet on all day and night for no reason
Get rid of a million or so infected computers from someone's botnet, and you have seriously damaged his output capacity, making it no more profitable then begging for quarters on the side of the road.
When i meant becomes the law, I was talking about the ISP providing a billing for each email,
and you having to pay for the service of sending an email...no matter how small a fee.
Just like accounting has its own laws, which decree for every billing debit there needs to be a billing credit...if you know what I mean.
You can always enforce this with fines if the companies do not want to adhere to your law. ....no one would use it.
As for if this imaginary law of mine would ever see the light of day, and you were to create a new service...that would mean you would be able to build a preventative way into it of making sure that people that are using it, will be monitored in such a way as to prevent being able to abuse your service....lack there of by you to create a way for your service to be secure would be like a credit card company creating a useless encryption
This statement shows how clueless the author is about why hackers chose Adobe.
>Exactly why hackers choose Adobe as their prime target is tougher to divine
Adobe apparently has 99% market share for the PDF industry....as well offers free readers without the need for license or redistribution.
If you think also that almost all windows machines have some form of adobe reader, writer or other installed on them, and most apps cross communicate formats, then you can see why the most successful hacks are PDF files.
I use foxit pdf viewer, as it does not contain all the vulnerabilities that adobe does, as it does not allow javascript etc.
for the same reason i prefer firefox over IE
I remember buying my P3 laptop with 512 mb ram and 68 gb hdd (dual bay) and cd burner with
15@ screen and using it for school to learn programming (at a whopping 5k$ back then...ouch, saw one today on ebay for 100$)
It still competes with all the others when you know how to set up winxp to run smoothly.
I had sqlserver dbs on it, had asp.net websites running, used vs2005, and even have multi boot, with
6 diff OS (those modular bays are great)
I have one instance of win2003 and vs2008 running, to see if it can handle it, and yes there is a small lag, but man, I can still program with the best of them on this thing.
M$ has always forced to go and upgrade hardware and software in a vicious circle.
Problem is, we do not need to, even a P4 which I have 3 of personally, run winxp and are great, some faster then others, and 1 dual core...just to play WoW.
Unless the world ends or someone has broken or stolen my computers, I do not see myself replacing those machines for another 20 years. Why run a multi core processor just to read your emails, or surf the web, it is ridiculous....but get the latest game, and you are screwed into getting a 1gb video card and multi core 2gb ram machine just to see "the cool" graphics.
After WoW, I am not getting any other game, I prefer just sticking with WoW or any of my older games.
As for my machines, I use them as I need them, I even have a p2 laptop running xp just to use for playing music, but it has sqlserver dbs and vb6.0 on it as well.
They are like children with their ears covered and screaming, I cant hear you, la,la,la,la,la.
If I wish hard enough, will it go away?
Wow, we really voted for these people?
ps- Did the folks they used to review the environmental stats, have access to the archives that the scientific body has
dating back 100s of years, or did they go out and get the last 5 years to make an analysis?
even then,. the last 5 years have seen more abnormal weather patterns then ever.
The zombie computers have owners which are not even aware that they are part of a botnet, this is more the direction i was going in, trying to spark some awareness in the owner that when he receives his bill, would realize that he is obviously spewing out metric tons of spam, and needs to resolve the situation.
Your post advocates a
(x) lack of technical knowdlegde (X) ignorance () dumbass comment ( ) poor choice of words
Here's why your thoughts on why my idea will not work do not hold water
(X) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
Of course they would, and that is the reason why they incorporate it into the billing, being legit, they would do that, non legit, not so much.
(X) Users of email will not put up with it
You put up with being charged per phone call on your cell with a cap per month, don't you?
(X) Microsoft will not put up with it
M$ has nothing to say about the amount of emails coming or going, as long as they make money on the licenses using the software to do such actions, and might even create a new one to help monitor this new functionality, and make even more profits.
(X) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
Specifically, your plan fails to account for
(X) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
Because we do not have a governing body for the internet as a whole??? Wow...(rollseyes)
(X) Open relays in foreign countries
So what you are saying is that international communication does not exist by internet
(X) Asshats
Explain this one to me, I am sure I my visual does not do you justice
(X) Jurisdictional problems
Each country have their own cell phone companies, why would this be any different?
(X) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
Wow, i mentioned a payment structure for a service, and you already want to tax it, even though it would be the companies making money on this that would pay their revenue taxes, you should become a politician.
(X) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
Adding a few lines of code, or a new service into an already existing infrasrtucture is not the end of the world...look at when spam first came out, or when dns cache poisoning came out, it is doable if we want to get it done.
(X) Extreme profitability of spam
Exactly my point, now non legit spammers will have to raise their prices, and force their clients to rethink if they want to spend 10 times the amount of money to keep spamming, for that 1% that are gullible enough to think the nigerian king is really trying to send them his money.
(X) Technically illiterate politicians
Have i mentioned you should run for politics...
(X) Outlook
The software, or your bleak vision of what our future HAS to be...
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
(X) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical
None have been implemented at the level that let's say DNS cahce poisoning has, and needs to be.
(X) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
Wow, tell that to the white house with their million or so emails that went missing and forced Obama to rethink his cyber policies for future presidents to come.
(X) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
This can not be phased in slowly, it has to be done one shot like digital tv was, for it to work.
(X) Sending email should be free
Your sentiment, not mine.
(X) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough
Killing who exactly, slashdot readers? Your doing a good job so far...
Furthermore, this is what I think about you:
(X) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
Sorry dude, your self absorbed ranting about what you think without at least giving any real sound proof of your background in this field or any real points to substantiate your claims, make me think you are just trying to push an opinion, and like mine no one really cares, the difference between yours and mine, is I understand my opinion does not matter, but the idea I am trying to convey is to try and help by offering a potential idea to help others, you only have managed to waste my time, and yours by trying to grab some 15 minutes of fame by shooting down someone's
idea.