I just hope they make some kind of sign or something on those papers to be easily recognizable, since I think nobody would want to sign some contract papers the text of which later will fade away leaving your signature on a blank paper.
I'll tell you what's wrong with FOSS - from their [companies et al.]: not that it isn't controlled or it doesn't have a proper "leader", but that _they_ aren't controlling and leading it. That's all. They are just dying in anguish knowing that there are so freaking many developers out there that a) don't follow their rules b) are an almost untouchable competitor of their products c) they can and do show over and over again that commercial software and commercial software development can have working alternatives and that the world won't collapse from choosing them.
And what are the odds that the neighbor atheist is a child molester or else ? If we're talking odds, we'd better consider everything, not just atheist vs Muslim. Prejudice may win, but I'd bet numbers show otherwise. And about "On the scale of prejudice"... yes, I know prejudice is a very strong force, still, saying that atheists are more likely to be president since you prefer them over Muslims is just so stupid I can't place it on a scale.
personally found that XFS does not handle a push of a reset button well
Might happen, since it just journals metadata, but it's not alone with this (reiser and jfs also, IIRC). Good thing that I use xfs for many years now and no data loss up to now, despite having been through some power outages some resets and no UPS.
So people, buzz all you want with web v3+, it's interesting to watch, to read, and to react to. Still, I have to tell you, I don't really care about web3, what I'm waiting for is well, in the context of web version hyping let's call it web10. The network infrastructure and service world where browser features will be a thing of the past to battle over, where easy interactivity will be a long accustomed to property not a buzzword feature, where data searching and handling will be totally transparent not dependent on competing search engines or appliances, where reliable (from every point of view) remote centers will host my data on a virtual machine with the desktop and applications of my choice capable of _every_ and _each_ task I now do on grounded workstations including watching and recording drm-less tv feeds, running distributed applications by giving them a some extra money/each extra virtual cpu/usage assigned to my remote desktop, automatic monthly data backup mailed to me monthly. Where the web and the network would be something you'd never need to care about (i.e. availability, speed). Yes, you understood that correctly, I don't want no browser and ajax based clunky web-application, those are the toys of this buzzed web2, things needed to be done but just tools for paving the way for real networked applications.
Dropping all signs and signals seems like a flawed idea to me, sudden changes are never too good. But, what I've seen working, dropping traffic lamps (not totally, but at places where it can be done, after careful investigation) and thus enforcing to stick to default traffic rules can be a good way to go. People become more wary and drive nicer, and traffic can also become more continuous. But, as I said, not everywhere, doing this requires quite a lot of careful consideration.
Hell, how many times have I seen that when lamps go out, or policemen begin to control the traffic, people just become schoolkids again, many of them have absolutely no clue what to do, where to look, who has precedence over who in a crossroad or in a roundabout. They should have more practice when not only relying on traffic lamps.
my Documents and the whole user directory on an ext3 and it works great
Good that it does, but you shouldn't advertise it as being true ext3 since it isn't. The ext2 ifs windows thing doesn't support ext3 journaling, it just treats the ext3 volumes as if they were ext2.
Point me to a true xfs windows driver and I'll be happy.
Well, I'd never buy anything with lines like "Welcome to the social" on it anyway. I still have really hard times accepting it as being valid unfunny English with a meaning.
Well, everyone should stick to what they know and not shame themselves by useless proud ignorance. I think the proper reaction to this speech should be total dismissal and disregard. Otherwise he might think his opinion counts.
ts a shame that it came to such a conclusion it was (would be) difficult to continue it
I think quite the opposite. It was one story, to be told, and told well. JMS managed to do just that. It was never intended to be an endless many year long series. And just because it had a good storyline, a beginning, an end, and a very well done in-between, it will remain my all-time sci-fi favourite, despite my friendly:) relation to all ST (and DS9 above all) and Firefly.
However, a GPL license would require those making changes to the core Java platform to freely release their code.
"However" ? I truly think they know what they are doing here, and choosing GPL is the best possible choice IMHO. They wouldn't want anyone to take it up and make commecrcial closed forks, and they will require contributions and changes to be made public. This is great and I think it will greatly benefit us all. Another good move from Sun (fyi, no affiliation here, sadly:) ).
Your average user doesn't have the time, the energy or the inclination to deal with uncertainty. Also, they usually only have the one PC to play with. Hardware just has to work.
Ok. First they imply Linux needs too much time, too much energy, and it's full of uncertainties. Second, they imply it's not reasonable to try to install on the single machine one might have since this is not serious, just a play, what you can't do with that single machine. Third they imply hardware just might not work under Linux.
Now let me try to state some things, not so implicitly. I can't even keep track of how many times I heard the argument about people not having the time, the energy or the will to learn new things, a new OS, a new application, a new way of doing things. Among those, the only one I take as eventually being valid, is the not-willing part.
If they so embracingly talk about the average people, let us state, that average computer users won't ever install an OS in their lives. They go the shop, buy a computer, use it, when need some damage control or repairs or new software, they just take it back to the shop then pick it up and continue using it. The only reason they might not want to pick up a computer with Linux as its preinstalled OS is that the only knowledge they could have ever picked up is related to one particular OS, and if they are not PC enthusiasts at some level, they won't consider learning a new OS or new apps. And why should they, if they can manage in their everyday lives ? And also keep in mind, that average people are good consumer citizens, they watch the ads to some extent, they believe most of the news and talks and political opinions, they mostly don't doubt the oh so often appearing objective surveys and comparisons. To change the not-willingness to learn a new OS and to try different apps for the same task is not an easy task among these crowds.
What Linux and FOSS could eventually do, is to try to fight on the terms and on the field of the "enemy". Fancier looks, targeted apps, and those with more features, installers with low user interaction, more easier hardware support. And doing all this while keeping in mind that the general public won't be interested in installers and such, since they don't do them, but you still have to make those installers fancy so as when they read those objective reviews they would get a good overall impression. And yes, the footsteps of the Mozilla & co. in building PR and public recognition should be followed all along the way.
If you look closely you can see how crowds of people can be easily influenced, by ads, by corporations, by political rhetorics, by charismatic people's talks, by heavy PR. FOSS should learn some of those tactics, and not just learn, incorporate and yes, exploit to some extent.
But remember, PR alone is not enough. FOSS and Linux really have to be able to show and prove their superiority, and do that in an easily recognizable way. Userfriendly Live disks of distributions was a good start back then, but also backfired to some extent, since many people who first came in contact with a live distro just thought about Linux as being some toy. Opinions change with time, but it's a slow process.
What I mean is, it's highly fashionable to talk about web apps, web2, ajax, younameit buzzcrap, and the death of everything else. Accessing certain types of applications and certain types of data from everywhere is very nice, very useful, nobody doubts that. But it's insane to say only web-based apps have a future, and only network storages and remote data storages are the answer. For the average crowds, maybe, and in numbers this is what matters most probably, but hey, it's still those people who work with local data, local files, programming, working on heavy algorithms which no think client could handle, worling with sensitive research data that no remote storage provider can be trusted to, capturing and editing videos and other larger data sources, and I could just go on with a so humongous list that'd fill this week's reading quota.
What I say is, every app and every platform has it's place. Those who come speculatively preaching about the end of one and the raise of another... well, we all have to spend our spare time somehow:P
Jeebus, this sounds eerie similar to what problems we had around '98 with redhat releases, one of the reasons debian became my favourite for many years. Messing up distribution update procedures is a very very bad publicity, let alone the misery of the users with failed updates and not knowing what to do - which is probably fairly frequent since there are much more less knowledgeable users int he ubuntu user base. The problem is that even if they fix it it's already too late. I just can't believe they released a crap like this. I mean come on, reasonable people don't want to install linux every day, that's why dist-upgrade was invented for. They have the people, they have the resources, and still manage to release such borked versions. Congratulations.
1). The theme: so he doesn't like the theme. That's why themes were invented for, go grab one which you like. Crap.
2). Weak antiphishing: there was none before, now he's complaining it's weak. Get lost.
3). Confusing Options dialog: hell, have you ever really gone through IE's Tools->Internet options ? Thought so. Anyway, it's really hard to spot well designed dialogs these days. Not a reason for not using the browser. Crap.
4). Compatible extensions: man, people need some time for updating their extensions, but they are quick, e.g. all my extensions have been upgraded in a few days. But, if you're willing, in most cases you can fix them on your own.
5). Memory leak: I often run Firefoxes for a whole week long. Yes, you read that correctly. I often just leave important links open when I leave work, then I login back from home and continue useing it, then again tomorrow from work, and so on. After a week it often eats up around half a gigs of memory, true. But really, how many of you do such things ?
6). CSS with Yahoo: well, if it's such a problem for him, I can understand. For me, I don't give a frack. And in fact, when someone raises non-IE-related CSS-problems, all I can do is laugh.
7). Freezes: yes, they occur. But hello, restore session. I don't say it's no problem, I'm saying it's no reason not to switch.
8). Buggy history: sometimes occurs, true.
9). RSS: also true, I hope RSS reading will become better (well, that should be easy, given) soon.
All in all, useless site, mostly useless points, definitely useless advice.
but it's hard enough learning all there is to know about the MS products. Trying to learn all the little (and maybe big) differences with OO would be all the harder.
Well, there clearly has been some motivation and some will and some ability to learn MS Office tools. People who complain about how hard it is to learn the use of some other software than they are used to, usually just pisses me off like hell. IT, PCs, OSes, software in general, is not a static field, everything changes continuously. Adapting to it is not something you can avoid in the long term. And knowing other tools is an asset not a hindrance. Learning and adapting takes time, true. But time that's worth it. And, if there's a will, than there's a way.
I don't like this idea, as I don't like many ideas that popped up and slowly turn into reality during the last few years. But if they will introduce this, then I would demand full and total use, with no exceptions. What I mean is, no government official, no agency member, no police people, no soldiers, etc. without such IDs. And if they record, then record everything. If they want us/you followed and tracked, they also shall be followed and tracked, and more so, since they have much more power to eventually misuse than the people which they try to shackle. When they introduce such measures, they should be the first to experience it.
1) Where would you live, if not in America and 2) What's stopping you from going?
Easy. 1) New Zealand, 2) Money (or the lack thereof).
If you think hard, probably two things are keeping people to go where they think (or know) their lives would be better (for them, since this is as much subjective as objective):
- people: family, friends, neighbors, you name it, people can become very attached to others,
- financial resources: if you have to work 10-16 hours a day for living, paying mortages, etc., schooling your kids, its not that easy to just stand up and leave.
Until the average level of living throughout the planet won't reach a certain level, most people will just be stuck to places, all their lives long, give or take a few travels.
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I just hope they make some kind of sign or something on those papers to be easily recognizable, since I think nobody would want to sign some contract papers the text of which later will fade away leaving your signature on a blank paper.
I'll tell you what's wrong with FOSS - from their [companies et al.]: not that it isn't controlled or it doesn't have a proper "leader", but that _they_ aren't controlling and leading it. That's all. They are just dying in anguish knowing that there are so freaking many developers out there that a) don't follow their rules b) are an almost untouchable competitor of their products c) they can and do show over and over again that commercial software and commercial software development can have working alternatives and that the world won't collapse from choosing them.
And what are the odds that the neighbor atheist is a child molester or else ? If we're talking odds, we'd better consider everything, not just atheist vs Muslim. Prejudice may win, but I'd bet numbers show otherwise. And about "On the scale of prejudice" ... yes, I know prejudice is a very strong force, still, saying that atheists are more likely to be president since you prefer them over Muslims is just so stupid I can't place it on a scale.
personally found that XFS does not handle a push of a reset button well
Might happen, since it just journals metadata, but it's not alone with this (reiser and jfs also, IIRC). Good thing that I use xfs for many years now and no data loss up to now, despite having been through some power outages some resets and no UPS.
BTW, crossmeta's http://www.crossmeta.com/crossmeta.html xfs mounting seems to work, more or less, I only dared to try it in readonly mode.
So people, buzz all you want with web v3+, it's interesting to watch, to read, and to react to. Still, I have to tell you, I don't really care about web3, what I'm waiting for is well, in the context of web version hyping let's call it web10. The network infrastructure and service world where browser features will be a thing of the past to battle over, where easy interactivity will be a long accustomed to property not a buzzword feature, where data searching and handling will be totally transparent not dependent on competing search engines or appliances, where reliable (from every point of view) remote centers will host my data on a virtual machine with the desktop and applications of my choice capable of _every_ and _each_ task I now do on grounded workstations including watching and recording drm-less tv feeds, running distributed applications by giving them a some extra money/each extra virtual cpu/usage assigned to my remote desktop, automatic monthly data backup mailed to me monthly. Where the web and the network would be something you'd never need to care about (i.e. availability, speed). Yes, you understood that correctly, I don't want no browser and ajax based clunky web-application, those are the toys of this buzzed web2, things needed to be done but just tools for paving the way for real networked applications.
Dropping all signs and signals seems like a flawed idea to me, sudden changes are never too good. But, what I've seen working, dropping traffic lamps (not totally, but at places where it can be done, after careful investigation) and thus enforcing to stick to default traffic rules can be a good way to go. People become more wary and drive nicer, and traffic can also become more continuous. But, as I said, not everywhere, doing this requires quite a lot of careful consideration.
Hell, how many times have I seen that when lamps go out, or policemen begin to control the traffic, people just become schoolkids again, many of them have absolutely no clue what to do, where to look, who has precedence over who in a crossroad or in a roundabout. They should have more practice when not only relying on traffic lamps.
my Documents and the whole user directory on an ext3 and it works great
Good that it does, but you shouldn't advertise it as being true ext3 since it isn't. The ext2 ifs windows thing doesn't support ext3 journaling, it just treats the ext3 volumes as if they were ext2.
Point me to a true xfs windows driver and I'll be happy.
Well, I'd never buy anything with lines like "Welcome to the social" on it anyway. I still have really hard times accepting it as being valid unfunny English with a meaning.
Well, everyone should stick to what they know and not shame themselves by useless proud ignorance. I think the proper reaction to this speech should be total dismissal and disregard. Otherwise he might think his opinion counts.
You can bet you'll die earlier because of bad food ingredients, secondhand smoke and air pollution.
Well, if JMS would say he'd make a season, they'd probably not say no. Otherwise...
ts a shame that it came to such a conclusion it was (would be) difficult to continue it
:) relation to all ST (and DS9 above all) and Firefly.
I think quite the opposite. It was one story, to be told, and told well. JMS managed to do just that. It was never intended to be an endless many year long series. And just because it had a good storyline, a beginning, an end, and a very well done in-between, it will remain my all-time sci-fi favourite, despite my friendly
"Linux-flavored Windows such as Wine"
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However, a GPL license would require those making changes to the core Java platform to freely release their code.
:) ).
"However" ? I truly think they know what they are doing here, and choosing GPL is the best possible choice IMHO. They wouldn't want anyone to take it up and make commecrcial closed forks, and they will require contributions and changes to be made public. This is great and I think it will greatly benefit us all. Another good move from Sun (fyi, no affiliation here, sadly
what replaces them
common sense ? reason ?
Your average user doesn't have the time, the energy or the inclination to deal with uncertainty. Also, they usually only have the one PC to play with. Hardware just has to work.
Ok. First they imply Linux needs too much time, too much energy, and it's full of uncertainties. Second, they imply it's not reasonable to try to install on the single machine one might have since this is not serious, just a play, what you can't do with that single machine. Third they imply hardware just might not work under Linux.
Now let me try to state some things, not so implicitly. I can't even keep track of how many times I heard the argument about people not having the time, the energy or the will to learn new things, a new OS, a new application, a new way of doing things. Among those, the only one I take as eventually being valid, is the not-willing part.
If they so embracingly talk about the average people, let us state, that average computer users won't ever install an OS in their lives. They go the shop, buy a computer, use it, when need some damage control or repairs or new software, they just take it back to the shop then pick it up and continue using it. The only reason they might not want to pick up a computer with Linux as its preinstalled OS is that the only knowledge they could have ever picked up is related to one particular OS, and if they are not PC enthusiasts at some level, they won't consider learning a new OS or new apps. And why should they, if they can manage in their everyday lives ? And also keep in mind, that average people are good consumer citizens, they watch the ads to some extent, they believe most of the news and talks and political opinions, they mostly don't doubt the oh so often appearing objective surveys and comparisons. To change the not-willingness to learn a new OS and to try different apps for the same task is not an easy task among these crowds.
What Linux and FOSS could eventually do, is to try to fight on the terms and on the field of the "enemy". Fancier looks, targeted apps, and those with more features, installers with low user interaction, more easier hardware support. And doing all this while keeping in mind that the general public won't be interested in installers and such, since they don't do them, but you still have to make those installers fancy so as when they read those objective reviews they would get a good overall impression. And yes, the footsteps of the Mozilla & co. in building PR and public recognition should be followed all along the way.
If you look closely you can see how crowds of people can be easily influenced, by ads, by corporations, by political rhetorics, by charismatic people's talks, by heavy PR. FOSS should learn some of those tactics, and not just learn, incorporate and yes, exploit to some extent.
But remember, PR alone is not enough. FOSS and Linux really have to be able to show and prove their superiority, and do that in an easily recognizable way. Userfriendly Live disks of distributions was a good start back then, but also backfired to some extent, since many people who first came in contact with a live distro just thought about Linux as being some toy. Opinions change with time, but it's a slow process.
So you say that it's ok to upgrade to a buggy new version. I really don't think you are entitled to an opinion on Slashdot.
I'm glad you are, and think you got to tell who's not.
What I mean is, it's highly fashionable to talk about web apps, web2, ajax, younameit buzzcrap, and the death of everything else. Accessing certain types of applications and certain types of data from everywhere is very nice, very useful, nobody doubts that. But it's insane to say only web-based apps have a future, and only network storages and remote data storages are the answer. For the average crowds, maybe, and in numbers this is what matters most probably, but hey, it's still those people who work with local data, local files, programming, working on heavy algorithms which no think client could handle, worling with sensitive research data that no remote storage provider can be trusted to, capturing and editing videos and other larger data sources, and I could just go on with a so humongous list that'd fill this week's reading quota.
:P
What I say is, every app and every platform has it's place. Those who come speculatively preaching about the end of one and the raise of another... well, we all have to spend our spare time somehow
Jeebus, this sounds eerie similar to what problems we had around '98 with redhat releases, one of the reasons debian became my favourite for many years. Messing up distribution update procedures is a very very bad publicity, let alone the misery of the users with failed updates and not knowing what to do - which is probably fairly frequent since there are much more less knowledgeable users int he ubuntu user base. The problem is that even if they fix it it's already too late. I just can't believe they released a crap like this. I mean come on, reasonable people don't want to install linux every day, that's why dist-upgrade was invented for. They have the people, they have the resources, and still manage to release such borked versions. Congratulations.
When the number of tabs increases more than 5 or 6, new tabs are not visible only by clicking a tiny arrow to the right of the tab bar.
:)
Yeah, annoying me too. But, this is not IE, so there's a way to change: go to about:config and change browser.tabs.tabMinWidth. You're welcome
1). The theme: so he doesn't like the theme. That's why themes were invented for, go grab one which you like. Crap.
2). Weak antiphishing: there was none before, now he's complaining it's weak. Get lost.
3). Confusing Options dialog: hell, have you ever really gone through IE's Tools->Internet options ? Thought so. Anyway, it's really hard to spot well designed dialogs these days. Not a reason for not using the browser. Crap.
4). Compatible extensions: man, people need some time for updating their extensions, but they are quick, e.g. all my extensions have been upgraded in a few days. But, if you're willing, in most cases you can fix them on your own.
5). Memory leak: I often run Firefoxes for a whole week long. Yes, you read that correctly. I often just leave important links open when I leave work, then I login back from home and continue useing it, then again tomorrow from work, and so on. After a week it often eats up around half a gigs of memory, true. But really, how many of you do such things ?
6). CSS with Yahoo: well, if it's such a problem for him, I can understand. For me, I don't give a frack. And in fact, when someone raises non-IE-related CSS-problems, all I can do is laugh.
7). Freezes: yes, they occur. But hello, restore session. I don't say it's no problem, I'm saying it's no reason not to switch.
8). Buggy history: sometimes occurs, true.
9). RSS: also true, I hope RSS reading will become better (well, that should be easy, given) soon.
All in all, useless site, mostly useless points, definitely useless advice.
we just dont know about it
Maybe it was an appendix to a bill having anti-terrorism in its title.
but it's hard enough learning all there is to know about the MS products. Trying to learn all the little (and maybe big) differences with OO would be all the harder.
Well, there clearly has been some motivation and some will and some ability to learn MS Office tools. People who complain about how hard it is to learn the use of some other software than they are used to, usually just pisses me off like hell. IT, PCs, OSes, software in general, is not a static field, everything changes continuously. Adapting to it is not something you can avoid in the long term. And knowing other tools is an asset not a hindrance. Learning and adapting takes time, true. But time that's worth it. And, if there's a will, than there's a way.
I don't like this idea, as I don't like many ideas that popped up and slowly turn into reality during the last few years. But if they will introduce this, then I would demand full and total use, with no exceptions. What I mean is, no government official, no agency member, no police people, no soldiers, etc. without such IDs. And if they record, then record everything. If they want us/you followed and tracked, they also shall be followed and tracked, and more so, since they have much more power to eventually misuse than the people which they try to shackle. When they introduce such measures, they should be the first to experience it.
1) Where would you live, if not in America and 2) What's stopping you from going?
Easy. 1) New Zealand, 2) Money (or the lack thereof).
If you think hard, probably two things are keeping people to go where they think (or know) their lives would be better (for them, since this is as much subjective as objective):
- people: family, friends, neighbors, you name it, people can become very attached to others,
- financial resources: if you have to work 10-16 hours a day for living, paying mortages, etc., schooling your kids, its not that easy to just stand up and leave.
Until the average level of living throughout the planet won't reach a certain level, most people will just be stuck to places, all their lives long, give or take a few travels.