Actually, IIRC, he grosses roughly $74k per second.
To pick up $50k would cost him $172k: $ 50,000 on the floor $ 74,000 per second times 3 seconds is $222,000 minus his gain $ 50,000 means he just lost $172,000.
Right?
Besides, do you really think he bothers with cash anymore? He probably uses MS Money at home and MS Passport for bill paying.
Hrmm...troubling precedent. What happens if they get someone with a loose screw??? He gets hungry, there's no food, he breaks another contestants neck, eats contestant...mmmm Crunchy!!
How long before arena deathmatches live and in primetime???
I would like to think that this will be taken better by ESR. If you'll look here, you will note that his feelings seem to have been hurt in a personal attack, as opposed to academic critique...
Now wait a sec. Noldor elves *do* have pointy ears, as do dark elves.
(Anyone have the Silmarillian handy to back me up, here??)
IIRC, the high elves (Firstborn, Noldor, whathaveyou) were given stature, robustness, and, yes, pointy ears. Feanor and his house had them, however, after the (dammit! What was the official name for it?!?) kinstrife, these qualities were lost as his tribe interbred with Man.
Ug. Time to re-read Tolkien again (for the bazillionth time).
I just have to say that the Windows documentation and MSDN are two of the most convoluted things I've ever had the displeasure to use. The search features plain suck and the information I need is usually missing, incorrect, or totally misleading.
Linux: Man [whatever]
-- Yeah, it can be cryptic, but I've never had it fail to answer my question. Sometimes it takes me awhile (I rode the short bus to school:-)
Microsoft: F1 -> Search -> [soundcard info] Results: -- Using the Microsoft Network -- Windows 9x Tips and Tricks -- Printer drivers -- Using Microsoft Office -- Windows 9x; a Guided tour -- Property Let statement -- ! operator -- etc...
Obviously those werent real search results. But that's pretty close to what I get when I try to get any kind of documentation help.
Obviously, you know quite a bit about this sort of thing. Tell me, am I just a total idiot, or what???
"Pressing Alt will send a new press and release message, the latter fixing the problem."
Sometimes. I've actually found it better to click somewhere on the taskbar. This returns focus to the proper window and clears out the "Windows Brain-Fart", as I like to call it...
"Later in your article you show the exact hypocrisy that I'm talking about: "Microsoft steals ideas and claims them as it's own. Linux cheerfully borrows good ideas!""
Look closely. There is a difference between borrow and steal. Therfore, no hypocrisy.
"there is no evidence that there's ever been innovation there."
Sorry, that's still an opinion. Need something to back it up. (I do see your point. Really. Someone more versed in the OS could help you out)
"Please cite some examples of when they've done that unprovoked."
Sounds like you added `unprovoked' as a loophole against later qrguments to the contrary. Oh well.
DOS (from Xerox(IIRC))
The window-based GUI (At least Apple paid for it from Xerox and the other developers in the `60s)
Java. 'Nuff said
Just a few examples.
"Innovation is coming up with new ideas, not a bunch of codemonkeys getting together and banging away until they finally get a functional copy of a previously existing app."
Woldn't it be safe to say that even through the course of the banging done that some innovation must have arisen? If I build GM cars in my garage and decide that I want to build a Honda from scratch, won't I naturally innovate (with a real engine, for starters)?
"Whoever I'm getting my operating system from, I want then to take all the best ideas out there -- I couldn't care less where they originated."
I agree. But let's say that you made something and someone else stole it and claimed it was their own creation. You were never paid for X, you were never given credit for X. Wouldn't that piss you off just a bit? That's a big problem I personally have with Microsoft. If they said something like, `Yeah, Java was the best thing we could have ever gotten from Sun. Thank's Sun!', things would be different.
"just to point out a flaw in the thinking of a large number of its users."
I won't disagree with what you just said. However, the earlier post was closer to flamebait than a rationally formed argument like this one.
If you want to point out flaws, then do just that. If you want to flame, well, do that too. Just please try not to substitute one for the other.
I will accept your apology, but only if you will accept mine. We have both been wrong, we have both been right. Let's do bury the hatchet and get on with our lives.
"We need to start at the "What's best for society" and go from there."
Difficult, at best. IMHO, this is...ummm...difficult for several reasons
You have to take every single person into account before you do something
OTOH, by saying "what's best for me", you have already done that.
You are in more of a position to bargin for what you want included. If you are at the whim of a group, then there is no hope (witness what the marketing department does to many software companies).
Paralysis at a decision-making level
If you look to yourself to make a decision and do so with the mindfulness that this could help the community as a whole, then I think you would be less likely to be selfish, not the other way around.
You are far easier to change than a group. Make a change, set an example, and people will follow.
Note that the US Government seems to be trying the "What is best for society" thing. Look at the corruption. This is one of the points of those who believe in self-governing. You cannot corrupt yourself. You can corrupt someone else or be corrupted due to an outside source ("Absoulute power..." and all that), but just waking up one day and deciding to be evil is rare. (IMHO and from what I've seen)
Not that I feel so presumptious as to try to preach to ESR. I don't. But I would like to voice an opinion.
(and this is meant for both parties)
Look at advocacy in the small; word of mouth, interpersonal relations. This is what has been; vitrolic attack and defend, parry and riposte, snipe and bash. How effective is this? Not very. I hold trmendous respect for both of you. In spite of this.
Look at advocacy in the large; Linux World Expo, in print, on mailing lists. This is what it has been; cold distance, massive tension, public flamewars. How effective is this? Well, if your name is BillG, very.
What's my point? It doesn't matter if you like each other. Hell, I don't care if you hate each other. But as is the case with divorces, it's those in the middle that suffer. If you cannot come to terms privately, that is, in the small, then at least do something to reduce the tension in the large.
I feel it every time I see either name on/.
Suggestions? Get in a fistfight. Better yet, get rip-roaring drunk first. Somebody's bound to apologize. (Hey, it works for me:-) Seriously, have it out, face to face and in private. Eric, extract any measure of revenge you feel is needed. Bruce, do what you have to to get Eric to shut up.
I'm not meaning this as a flame. Well, maybe a little. I also do not mean this as a jest. I mean this in just the way it's stated. Do whatever you have to do to get all of that dislike, hatred, whatever out of your system. Call center employees are advised to let irate customers bitch and yell as long as is needed to get the anger out of thier system. You know what? It works. Very well. And is usually accompanied by a heartfelt apology.
Feel free to flame me privately for this. Yes the email is real.
"Is anyone else offended by his last comment about power?"
Probably not, as it was (IMNSHO) intended to be humerous.
"Apparently he can't keep his personal opinions and views outside of the Linux Community and it is interfering with the evangelism."
Goddess, I hope this post was meant to be humorous. Let's put it this way; if you devote a very large chunk of your life to something, it becomes more and more difficult to compartmentalize the different parts of your life. End the end, you have two choices: either be in "work" mode all of the time and go home espousing the virtues of the OS model to your SO, or relax the partitions between work and everything else. On the surface, this may seem to be inefficient, causing problems similar to the one you see. OTOH, it does make for a somewhat more sane ESR.
If you can demonstate to me how you can totally compartmentalize every single aspect of your life, 24X7, without ever once making a mistake, while retaining all of your sanity *and*still enjoying what you do, then I will call you `God'. Untill then, do try to remember that OS advocates are people too and cut them a bit of slack.
I really didn't want to reply to this. I looked at it, went downstairs for a smoke, reloaded/. a couple of times, and generally let myself calm down a bit.
Yet here I am responding anyway. I must be sadistic.
"Of course, when it's Microsoft absorbing ideas from elsewhere, they're the evil Borg."
Incorrect. When it's Microsoft absorbing ideas from elsewhere without giving credit to the original author(s), they're the evil Borg.
"when there hasn't been a whit of innovation in the entire history of Linux."
I defy you to prove that. Yours is the burden of evidence.
"I always did find it amusing to hear Slashdot readers complaining about Microsoft taking ideas from other places"
Why do we complain? Because they took code and incorporated it into their own design? No. This is called good coding practice, or more simply, not reinventing the wheel. We complain because they take code, incorporate it into their own code base, claim it was theirs to begin with, then fundamentally break the code. Witness J++.
"Those who have a hard time with truth and honesty, feel free to mark me down now."
Along those lines, I would have to believe that ours is a culture that will have something more exciting by then. We are intelligent, driven, passionate, and not constrained by buerocracy (usually).
I for one think that Linux 10.4.6 will be totally unrecognizable by today's standards. The technology will evolve suffeciently to have really cool stuff to write drivers for (transporter drivers for pizza, flying telnet coffee pot, whatever). We will create the technology. We will advance the kernel.
In short, the goal is, say it with me kids, "Total World Domination".
Something that I've noticed from my exposure (as it were) to the OS model of development:
For a project to be effectively GPL'd, it needs to have a single person to own the code.
Think about it. Linus owns Linux (I'm using Linus as an example because Linux is the project I'm most familiar with). All changes are made at his sole discrestion(sp). There can be no possibility of a fork, because of the amount of support that he, and he alone, has for Linux.
Look at Mozilla. A wonderful idea, but owned by a company. A collective of persons(drones. Think Borg). Because the program is owned by a nebulous entity, changes are approved with an eye towards shareholders, as opposed to code usability and spirit of Free Software.
This can never work fully, IMHO.
Unless you have one person who is responsible for the entirety of the codebase, the codebase will be only as strong as the most conservative person in that group. The individual may have to answer to the shareholders, but that puts the individual in the position of power.
Untill something like Java or Solaris is owned by a single person responsible for the well-being of the code, corporate OS attempts will fail.
Well, last I checked, they had a team draining the water. They had also brought in 300lb of (insert subsatce who's name escapes me here) to try to calm things down a bit, but couldn't figure out how to get a person in close enough to use it.
Actually, I just checked CNN again and the reference to the substance was gone. The site did say that the water had been drained off and that RAD levels were way down.
(IANAP(I Am Not A Pastor), so whoever has a bible handy may want to help me out.)
You see, I was raised Lutheran. From the time I was very young, I was exposed to the Scriptures. My grandmother was a staunch Christian, and I attribute the fact that I came out allright to her. After she passed on, my father started taking me to church. My pastor was a really great guy; the type to take even the most complex of passages and make them crystal clear. I always did enjoy going to church for that very reason.
But I stopped. I turned to other beliefs, other sects. Why?
Guilt. Uncertainty. A big hole.
Like most church-goers, I was taught that there is no way to get into heaven on your own. God and sin can not co-habitate, and since we are all sinners, we cannot be with Him. That's where Jesus came in. He is the intermediary. Accept Him into your heart and you will be accepted into the Kingdom of Heaven.
I was never too sure about that one.
Am I really saved?
What is Salvation? What does it feel like?
Where is this really cool "...peace that surpasses all understanding"?
Why Do I feel so guilty all the time? I mean, I'm just a worthless sinner. Why should I bother trying to excell if I know I will always fail?
There were other questions as well. I never could get straight answers to any of the above. The answers I received ranged from "If you have to ask, you don't really believe" to "There must be something wrong with you" to "Where is your faith?" to "I don't know".
Not to be disrespectful, but how am I supposed to love God "...with all my heart, and all my soul, and all my being" when I cannot be sure that He even notices?
One day, I just decided that I had had enough guilt and fear and uncertainty to last a lifetime. This isn't the way it was supposed to be. I walked away and have never looked back.
Can anyone here answer any of my questions with a straight reply?
The GPL hasn't really received a trial by fire yet. While I agree with some earlier posters that this was possibly a MarketDroid typo, I think that we have to be prepared for it not to be.
In other words, legal precedent for the GPL.
IMHO, that, along with a nice point-and-drool install, will advance Linux more than anything.
Slashdot Mirror
> > 8) Using libc5 applications
... ?
> Which is a problem because
IIRC, most of the newer stuff for Linux uses libc6. Like, the kernel. (2.2.x)
Someone correct me if I'm wrong...
Actually, IIRC, he grosses roughly $74k per second.
To pick up $50k would cost him $172k:
$ 50,000 on the floor
$ 74,000 per second times 3 seconds is
$222,000 minus his gain
$ 50,000 means he just lost
$172,000.
Right?
Besides, do you really think he bothers with cash anymore? He probably uses MS Money at home and MS Passport for bill paying.
Hrmm...troubling precedent. What happens if they get someone with a loose screw??? He gets hungry, there's no food, he breaks another contestants neck, eats contestant...mmmm Crunchy!!
How long before arena deathmatches live and in primetime???
I would like to think that this will be taken better by ESR. If you'll look here, you will note that his feelings seem to have been hurt in a personal attack, as opposed to academic critique...
I think he will take it very well...
They have. It's called Harsh Realm.
"Elves from Tolkein's Middle Earth are tall and wiry, and never need sleep."
Hrmmm....ummm...close.
Remember Legolas? He sat and sang to himself quietly for about two hours a night. Not humanesque sleep, but I think it fits the bill...
Now wait a sec. Noldor elves *do* have pointy ears, as do dark elves.
(Anyone have the Silmarillian handy to back me up, here??)
IIRC, the high elves (Firstborn, Noldor, whathaveyou) were given stature, robustness, and, yes, pointy ears. Feanor and his house had them, however, after the (dammit! What was the official name for it?!?) kinstrife, these qualities were lost as his tribe interbred with Man.
Ug. Time to re-read Tolkien again (for the bazillionth time).
I just have to say that the Windows documentation and MSDN are two of the most convoluted things I've ever had the displeasure to use. The search features plain suck and the information I need is usually missing, incorrect, or totally misleading.
:-)
Linux: Man [whatever]
-- Yeah, it can be cryptic, but I've never had it fail to answer my question. Sometimes it takes me awhile (I rode the short bus to school
Microsoft: F1 -> Search -> [soundcard info]
Results:
-- Using the Microsoft Network
-- Windows 9x Tips and Tricks
-- Printer drivers
-- Using Microsoft Office
-- Windows 9x; a Guided tour
-- Property Let statement
-- ! operator
-- etc...
Obviously those werent real search results. But that's pretty close to what I get when I try to get any kind of documentation help.
Obviously, you know quite a bit about this sort of thing. Tell me, am I just a total idiot, or what???
"Pressing Alt will send a new press and release message, the latter fixing the problem."
Sometimes. I've actually found it better to click somewhere on the taskbar. This returns focus to the proper window and clears out the "Windows Brain-Fart", as I like to call it...
Look closely. There is a difference between borrow and steal. Therfore, no hypocrisy.
"there is no evidence that there's ever been innovation there."
Sorry, that's still an opinion. Need something to back it up.
(I do see your point. Really. Someone more versed in the OS could help you out)
"Please cite some examples of when they've done that unprovoked."
Sounds like you added `unprovoked' as a loophole against later qrguments to the contrary. Oh well.
Just a few examples.
"Innovation is coming up with new ideas, not a bunch of codemonkeys getting together and banging away until they finally get a functional copy of a previously existing app."
Woldn't it be safe to say that even through the course of the banging done that some innovation must have arisen? If I build GM cars in my garage and decide that I want to build a Honda from scratch, won't I naturally innovate (with a real engine, for starters)?
"Whoever I'm getting my operating system from, I want then to take all the best ideas out there -- I couldn't care less where they originated."
I agree. But let's say that you made something and someone else stole it and claimed it was their own creation. You were never paid for X, you were never given credit for X. Wouldn't that piss you off just a bit? That's a big problem I personally have with Microsoft. If they said something like, `Yeah, Java was the best thing we could have ever gotten from Sun. Thank's Sun!', things would be different.
"just to point out a flaw in the thinking of a large number of its users."
I won't disagree with what you just said. However, the earlier post was closer to flamebait than a rationally formed argument like this one.
If you want to point out flaws, then do just that. If you want to flame, well, do that too. Just please try not to substitute one for the other.
I will accept your apology, but only if you will accept mine. We have both been wrong, we have both been right. Let's do bury the hatchet and get on with our lives.
(please don't kill me, Eric!)
AAARRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!
Sorry, Bruce
To busy trying to be insightful...
But Bruse is right on one account - waiting is.
I don't think either one really groks yet. I sure as hell don't claim to grok their situation.
Waiting is.
We shall soon see. Personally, I hope this gets resolved sooner rather than later. Here's a suggestion for the both of 'em.
Difficult, at best. IMHO, this is...ummm...difficult for several reasons
Note that the US Government seems to be trying the "What is best for society" thing. Look at the corruption. This is one of the points of those who believe in self-governing. You cannot corrupt yourself. You can corrupt someone else or be corrupted due to an outside source ("Absoulute power..." and all that), but just waking up one day and deciding to be evil is rare. (IMHO and from what I've seen)
`To err is human, to forgive, divine'.
/.
:-) Seriously, have it out, face to face and in private. Eric, extract any measure of revenge you feel is needed. Bruce, do what you have to to get Eric to shut up.
Not that I feel so presumptious as to try to preach to ESR. I don't. But I would like to voice an opinion.
(and this is meant for both parties)
Look at advocacy in the small; word of mouth, interpersonal relations. This is what has been; vitrolic attack and defend, parry and riposte, snipe and bash. How effective is this? Not very. I hold trmendous respect for both of you. In spite of this.
Look at advocacy in the large; Linux World Expo, in print, on mailing lists. This is what it has been; cold distance, massive tension, public flamewars. How effective is this? Well, if your name is BillG, very.
What's my point? It doesn't matter if you like each other. Hell, I don't care if you hate each other. But as is the case with divorces, it's those in the middle that suffer. If you cannot come to terms privately, that is, in the small, then at least do something to reduce the tension in the large.
I feel it every time I see either name on
Suggestions? Get in a fistfight. Better yet, get rip-roaring drunk first. Somebody's bound to apologize. (Hey, it works for me
I'm not meaning this as a flame. Well, maybe a little. I also do not mean this as a jest. I mean this in just the way it's stated. Do whatever you have to do to get all of that dislike, hatred, whatever out of your system. Call center employees are advised to let irate customers bitch and yell as long as is needed to get the anger out of thier system. You know what? It works. Very well. And is usually accompanied by a heartfelt apology.
Feel free to flame me privately for this. Yes the email is real.
"Is anyone else offended by his last comment about power?"
Probably not, as it was (IMNSHO) intended to be humerous.
"Apparently he can't keep his personal opinions and views outside of the Linux Community and it is interfering with the evangelism."
Goddess, I hope this post was meant to be humorous. Let's put it this way; if you devote a very large chunk of your life to something, it becomes more and more difficult to compartmentalize the different parts of your life. End the end, you have two choices: either be in "work" mode all of the time and go home espousing the virtues of the OS model to your SO, or relax the partitions between work and everything else. On the surface, this may seem to be inefficient, causing problems similar to the one you see. OTOH, it does make for a somewhat more sane ESR.
If you can demonstate to me how you can totally compartmentalize every single aspect of your life, 24X7, without ever once making a mistake, while retaining all of your sanity *and*still enjoying what you do, then I will call you `God'. Untill then, do try to remember that OS advocates are people too and cut them a bit of slack.
I really didn't want to reply to this. I looked at it, went downstairs for a smoke, reloaded /. a couple of times, and generally let myself calm down a bit.
Yet here I am responding anyway. I must be sadistic.
"Of course, when it's Microsoft absorbing ideas from elsewhere, they're the evil Borg."
Incorrect. When it's Microsoft absorbing ideas from elsewhere without giving credit to the original author(s), they're the evil Borg.
"when there hasn't been a whit of innovation in the entire history of Linux."
I defy you to prove that. Yours is the burden of evidence.
"I always did find it amusing to hear Slashdot readers complaining about Microsoft taking ideas from other places"
Why do we complain? Because they took code and incorporated it into their own design? No. This is called good coding practice, or more simply, not reinventing the wheel. We complain because they take code, incorporate it into their own code base, claim it was theirs to begin with, then fundamentally break the code. Witness J++.
"Those who have a hard time with truth and honesty, feel free to mark me down now."
Do note that you haven't been marked down.
"Of course, I'm still miffed that flying cars aren't in everyone's aero-garages yet."
:-)
They're working on it.
Along those lines, I would have to believe that ours is a culture that will have something more exciting by then. We are intelligent, driven, passionate, and not constrained by buerocracy (usually).
I for one think that Linux 10.4.6 will be totally unrecognizable by today's standards. The technology will evolve suffeciently to have really cool stuff to write drivers for (transporter drivers for pizza, flying telnet coffee pot, whatever). We will create the technology. We will advance the kernel.
In short, the goal is, say it with me kids, "Total World Domination".
Something that I've noticed from my exposure (as it were) to the OS model of development:
/. had a spill chucker...
For a project to be effectively GPL'd, it needs to have a single person to own the code.
Think about it. Linus owns Linux (I'm using Linus as an example because Linux is the project I'm most familiar with). All changes are made at his sole discrestion(sp). There can be no possibility of a fork, because of the amount of support that he, and he alone, has for Linux.
Look at Mozilla. A wonderful idea, but owned by a company. A collective of persons(drones. Think Borg). Because the program is owned by a nebulous entity, changes are approved with an eye towards shareholders, as opposed to code usability and spirit of Free Software.
This can never work fully, IMHO.
Unless you have one person who is responsible for the entirety of the codebase, the codebase will be only as strong as the most conservative person in that group. The individual may have to answer to the shareholders, but that puts the individual in the position of power.
Untill something like Java or Solaris is owned by a single person responsible for the well-being of the code, corporate OS attempts will fail.
--Wishing
here at Yahoo. Looks like an easterly wind with some clouds moving in. God, I don't know whether rain would be good or not...
A sia_loop.html)
(since SLASH isn't displaying the link properly, here it is... http://weather.yahoo.com/graphics/satellite/East_
Well, last I checked, they had a team draining the water. They had also brought in 300lb of (insert subsatce who's name escapes me here) to try to calm things down a bit, but couldn't figure out how to get a person in close enough to use it.
Actually, I just checked CNN again and the reference to the substance was gone. The site did say that the water had been drained off and that RAD levels were way down.
Footage at 11.
...that would explain why /. has been slow all day long. Good to know it's not our pipe.
On a related topic, aren't lines like this clearly marked? I mean, how tough is it to call the number on the sign and see where the line is?
Or did I miss something?
(IANAP(I Am Not A Pastor), so whoever has a bible handy may want to help me out.)
You see, I was raised Lutheran. From the time I was very young, I was exposed to the Scriptures. My grandmother was a staunch Christian, and I attribute the fact that I came out allright to her. After she passed on, my father started taking me to church. My pastor was a really great guy; the type to take even the most complex of passages and make them crystal clear. I always did enjoy going to church for that very reason.
But I stopped. I turned to other beliefs, other sects. Why?
Guilt. Uncertainty. A big hole.
Like most church-goers, I was taught that there is no way to get into heaven on your own. God and sin can not co-habitate, and since we are all sinners, we cannot be with Him. That's where Jesus came in. He is the intermediary. Accept Him into your heart and you will be accepted into the Kingdom of Heaven.
I was never too sure about that one.
There were other questions as well. I never could get straight answers to any of the above. The answers I received ranged from "If you have to ask, you don't really believe" to "There must be something wrong with you" to "Where is your faith?" to "I don't know".
Not to be disrespectful, but how am I supposed to love God "...with all my heart, and all my soul, and all my being" when I cannot be sure that He even notices?
One day, I just decided that I had had enough guilt and fear and uncertainty to last a lifetime. This isn't the way it was supposed to be. I walked away and have never looked back.
Can anyone here answer any of my questions with a straight reply?
I think that this is a blessing in disguise.
The GPL hasn't really received a trial by fire yet. While I agree with some earlier posters that this was possibly a MarketDroid typo, I think that we have to be prepared for it not to be.
In other words, legal precedent for the GPL.
IMHO, that, along with a nice point-and-drool install, will advance Linux more than anything.
How about "Across the Beyond"?
Or "Beyond and After"?
Or (my personal favorite) "Beyond the Beyond"?
Hrmph.