Hey at least I got the balls to a name to an opinion.
Well if the process is so flawed why not show where it has failed and do something that SCO hasn't been able to do and that is show infringed code!
Let's try on a different metaphor. If Goodwill accepts stolen goods as a donation has Goodwill committed a crime? If United Way accepts stolen money dontated by a bank robber is United way guilty. The answer is no. Albeit the burden to prove that you honestly did not know or suspect it to be stolen rests on the person or organizeation accused of having received or being in possession of such stolen goods.
And how much do you think a court is going to award for 2 to 3 k lines of code (mostly header files)? Billions? I don't think so. This is of course if you believe SCO is correct - which based solely on their record so far I would not put much stock in to it. Oh and don't forget the counter-suit and the Redhat suit and the Defamation suit that I sure which Linus would slap them with.
Hang on to that stock to yours it may be worth something on E-bay someday.
I have been investigating what kind of protection or filtering Google and Overture provide against clickbots and competitor clicking. I am still evaulating Google but Overture (now Yahoo) does very little and will only take action against click fraud if you push them on the issue.
Here is a paper describing my exchange with Overture on this issue. Summary of paper:
Overture claims to provide "Click Protection" for their pay-per-click advertising service. In reality they fail to prevent the most basic and easiest to detect non-authentic clicks - that is competitors clicking on competitors. They do not even filter out a customer clicking on their own links from within the Overture manager. Nor do they provide a method for an advertiser to test their own ad rendered URL's - a necessary function as a means to test the validity of an entered URL.
Since filtering out such clicks would be simple and straight forward using established cookies or session id's - I can only speculate the reasons for not patching this obvious flaw and question the "sophistication of Overtures "Click Protection".
Since then I have determined by researching one of my own pay-per-click keywords is that Overture will filter out a client that has a cookie if it clicks more than once every 30 minutes.
If you could get his personal e-mail account I am sure there are plenty of volunteers here that would be delighted to send him 10,000 pieces each - heck to show my gratitude I will write a little script to send him 100,000 pieces myself.
Oh and if anyone finds his postal address or cell phone number please post that too so that we can follow up to see if our experiment worked.
Just trying to help
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No! it is not the FUD that really tans my hide. It is the blatant heavy handed attempt to hijacking a large body of work, developed by others, as their own.
He is quite aware that no SCO IP resides in Linux. This man is a thief or at best a con man.
Somehow, I don't think Microsoft will find this fight to be as easy.
Same remarks could have been said in the context of MS Word against Wordperfect or IE against Netscape, Excel against Lotus, etc. MS always by attrition and patient and they monoply position to wait it out. Also, MS is in a good position to dominate because the own the distribution channel.
For those who don't want to hunt and find the SCO reference on the slow server
83 How to win friends and influence software sales. "Terrorists do things designed to intimidate people, and we see a lot of that going on all the time--people trying to attack us or people that we're associated with."--SCO Group CEO Darl McBride, complaining about the backlash from hundreds of thousands of Linux users after the former Linux software vendor sued IBM, a major Linux proponent, for allegedly violating its intellectual-property rights.
Darl really did say that! - i know it is hard to believe.
Attention PJ: Blake Stowell asserts that linux 2.2 also infringes! Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, January 27 2004 @ 06:50 PM EST I just got off the phone with Blake Stowell, and responding to questions about the "new" linux abi claims that SCO is throwing around, that they are also considering Linux 2.2 to be in violation of their IP.
Give him a call or e-mail if you want confirmation-- his number can be found on the SCO site.
Did notice how the interview tried to pin down McBribe on discussion with Google and he was very evasive.
Q: Have you talked with Google? A: Some discussions have been initiated there.
Q: Which would mean? A: We don't know where that goes yet. It's very premature to say what's going to happen there.
Q: So your lawyers are talking to their lawyers? A: We've got a team that's engaged in going back and forth. We do have legal counsel on our side. We have marketplace experts that we've kind of trained.... We're not targeting just Google per se. But anybody who is using 10,000 boxes, that's an elephant on a table. There's a lot of reasons you wouldn't [go after Google]. But to say we're going to ignore them doesn't make any sense either. I think it's going to be a function of what happens over the next few weeks.
[A Google spokesman says the search giant has not discussed with SCO its demands.]
ah slippery bastard he is! So they probably sent Google a letter requesting a meeting to discuss IP issues and Google's legal team advised upper manegement to not go near them they are "cornered rats and probably have rabies too" and promptly ignored them.
So after Google's IPO could they sue SCO for making false public statements? If SCO cannot produce a single e-mail, letter, or correspondence with SCO and Google could easily show harm seems like a slam dunk case.
Just to contrast, have you seen any C++ code generated by Visual Studio? How would that code look to someone not familiar with the environment?
Ah yes, being familiar with the environment would help but it is still awful obtuse.
I always thought Perl got a bad rap for encouraging bad hard to read style.
I have worked with old C code so badly written that it was a nightmare to figure it out. It used massive global data via nested (and redundant) includes files. The original authors relied heavily on command precedence and so it as a challange to untangle a single line. And this was code written by a major defence contractor.
But few complain about C propensity for obfuscation. Why is that? And C++ just ups the obfuscation ability a notch or two while significantly adding to the vocabulary.
I suspect Perl's built in reg exp has been the result of most complaints. But a single reg exp can replace pages of code.
Wait a minute this smells like an innovation and we all know only MS can bring innovation to the marketplace. I think they have an exclusive license from SCO.
you know how many cases of bse have been identified in humans? 155.
That we know of. Some experts speculate that many more infections have occured and were misdiagonosed or masked by some other complication. Keep in mind that with a disease that has a incubation period of 5 to 20 years it is prudent to be on the safe side and keep a close eye on the situation to prevent a significant infection within the population.
However having hunted and field dressed animals before I was curious how the heck they removed "all" the infected spinal cord material from the cow so I contacted a veterinarian at the USDA (it took a little time and persistence).
The process he described is that the carcass is sawn in half right down the middle of the backbone with a circular saw - sort of like a table saw.
I asked doesn't that just disperse particulate spinal cord material all over the carcass. He agreed it certainly does but the carcass is washed off before the butchering process. This did not leave me feeling comforable knowing that a animal carcass has lots of nooks and crannies for material to trapped in. Also keep in mind slaughter houses are production environments.
I thought heat-pipes were driven by the pressure differential that results from gravity. The lower end of the pipe (wrt gravity) is the high pressure partition of the vapor-compression cycle and therefore is the evaporator or the part of the system that absorbes heat. The upper end is the condensor which release heat. Therefore for this system to work you would need to keep you hands above your head all the time.
In this article Blake Stowell is quoted as saying:
Stowell said IBM's attorneys have requested for a postponement of a hearing scheduled Jan. 23 on evidence of the infringing code IBM had requested from SCO. No new court date has been set, and IBM could not be reached for comment.
Is this true? or is Stowell just blowing more smoke.
And just for the quote index Stowell is also quoted as saying (in reference to Novell):
"The company believes it's time to put a stop to the misleading statements that have gone on long enough and is causing confusion in the marketplace."
The salvation army is similar threat to our economy, values and way of life.
The salvation army frequently uses volunteer labor to help out with social problems and in doing so competes with the US governments established social services programs. These services our designed by our professional in Washington. The Salvation Army is essentially "dumping" their product for free and it will create an unstable situation that could cause our entire social services to collapse.
Also, I hear that the Salvation Army exports these services to foriegn countries and let me inform you that not all these counties that the Salvation Army deals with are those we classify as our friends.
We believe that you should be informed of these issues and the impact they have on the institutions we hold dear.
Jack Messman from Novell wrote to Darl McBride on May 28, 2003:
"We believe it unlikely that SCO can demonstrate that it has any ownership interest whatsoever in those copyrights. Apparently, you share this view, since over the last few months you have repeatedly asked Novell to transfer the copyrights to SCO, requests that Novell has rejected. Finally, we find it telling that SCO failed to assert a claim for copyright or patent infringement against IBM."
Oh that must of hurt! The fact that SCO attempted to get Novell to transfer the copyrights is proof enough that the copyright ownership is in question even in the mind of SCO.
When this is all over McBride will only be able to get job acting as the villian in a melodrama since it is truly the only talent he has shown to date.
I really think Linus should file a similar suit. He has been slandered and the proof is in the public domain. If SCO fails to deliver the goods on the 23rd - case closed. If nothing else he could donate the judgement to some worthy cause like groklaw, OSDL or FSF.
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But the question is how many Popup killer software are just spyware in disguise? Frankly I do not have the time researching which ones do not.
Hey at least I got the balls to a name to an opinion.
Well if the process is so flawed why not show where it has failed and do something that SCO hasn't been able to do and that is show infringed code!
Let's try on a different metaphor. If Goodwill accepts stolen goods as a donation has Goodwill committed a crime? If United Way accepts stolen money dontated by a bank robber is United way guilty. The answer is no. Albeit the burden to prove that you honestly did not know or suspect it to be stolen rests on the person or organizeation accused of having received or being in possession of such stolen goods.
Lewis A. Mettler, Esq. sums up SCO's legal adventure as:
This crap borders on legal malpractice. It is certainly bad practice.
Well put I would say, who says lawyers are obtuse.
Have your read about the Linux development process.
That's right i didn't think so.
I suspect you are a frustrated SCO employee or stock holder that bought at $15. I do feel sorry for you.
And how much do you think a court is going to award for 2 to 3 k lines of code (mostly header files)? Billions? I don't think so. This is of course if you believe SCO is correct - which based solely on their record so far I would not put much stock in to it. Oh and don't forget the counter-suit and the Redhat suit and the Defamation suit that I sure which Linus would slap them with.
Hang on to that stock to yours it may be worth something on E-bay someday.
Here is a paper describing my exchange with Overture on this issue. Summary of paper:
Since then I have determined by researching one of my own pay-per-click keywords is that Overture will filter out a client that has a cookie if it clicks more than once every 30 minutes.
um my humble apologies. No in a fine /. tradition I did not read the entire article and got the wrong impression. Sorry it was stupid.
If you could get his personal e-mail account I am sure there are plenty of volunteers here that would be delighted to send him 10,000 pieces each - heck to show my gratitude I will write a little script to send him 100,000 pieces myself.
Oh and if anyone finds his postal address or cell phone number please post that too so that we can follow up to see if our experiment worked.
Just trying to help
No! it is not the FUD that really tans my hide. It is the blatant heavy handed attempt to hijacking a large body of work, developed by others, as their own.
He is quite aware that no SCO IP resides in Linux. This man is a thief or at best a con man.
Somehow, I don't think Microsoft will find this fight to be as easy.
Same remarks could have been said in the context of MS Word against Wordperfect or IE against Netscape, Excel against Lotus, etc. MS always by attrition and patient and they monoply position to wait it out. Also, MS is in a good position to dominate because the own the distribution channel.
just lawyers and executives.
I think you are too kind... should read
just barratist and con men.
For those who don't want to hunt and find the SCO reference on the slow server
83 How to win friends and influence software sales.
"Terrorists do things designed to intimidate people, and we see a lot of that going on all the time--people trying to attack us or people that we're associated with."--SCO Group CEO Darl McBride, complaining about the backlash from hundreds of thousands of Linux users after the former Linux software vendor sued IBM, a major Linux proponent, for allegedly violating its intellectual-property rights.
Darl really did say that! - i know it is hard to believe.
Talk about the kettle calling the pot...
Nice try. This hot off of groklaw.net
Attention PJ: Blake Stowell asserts that linux 2.2 also infringes!
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, January 27 2004 @ 06:50 PM EST
I just got off the phone with Blake Stowell, and responding to questions about
the "new" linux abi claims that SCO is throwing around, that they
are also considering Linux 2.2 to be in violation of their IP.
Give him a call or e-mail if you want confirmation-- his number can be found on
the SCO site.
Did notice how the interview tried to pin down McBribe on discussion with Google and he was very evasive.
Q: Have you talked with Google?
A: Some discussions have been initiated there.
Q: Which would mean?
A: We don't know where that goes yet. It's very premature to say what's going to happen there.
Q: So your lawyers are talking to their lawyers?
A: We've got a team that's engaged in going back and forth. We do have legal counsel on our side. We have marketplace experts that we've kind of trained.... We're not targeting just Google per se. But anybody who is using 10,000 boxes, that's an elephant on a table. There's a lot of reasons you wouldn't [go after Google]. But to say we're going to ignore them doesn't make any sense either. I think it's going to be a function of what happens over the next few weeks.
[A Google spokesman says the search giant has not discussed with SCO its demands.]
ah slippery bastard he is! So they probably sent Google a letter requesting a meeting to discuss IP issues and Google's legal team advised upper manegement to not go near them they are "cornered rats and probably have rabies too" and promptly ignored them.
So after Google's IPO could they sue SCO for making false public statements? If SCO cannot produce a single e-mail, letter, or correspondence with SCO and Google could easily show harm seems like a slam dunk case.
Just to contrast, have you seen any C++ code generated by Visual Studio? How would that code look to someone not familiar with the environment?
Ah yes, being familiar with the environment would help but it is still awful obtuse.
I always thought Perl got a bad rap for encouraging bad hard to read style.
I have worked with old C code so badly written that it was a nightmare to figure it out. It used massive global data via nested (and redundant) includes files. The original authors relied heavily on command precedence and so it as a challange to untangle a single line. And this was code written by a major defence contractor.
But few complain about C propensity for obfuscation. Why is that? And C++ just ups the obfuscation ability a notch or two while significantly adding to the vocabulary.
I suspect Perl's built in reg exp has been the result of most complaints. But a single reg exp can replace pages of code.
Wait a minute this smells like an innovation and we all know only MS can bring innovation to the marketplace. I think they have an exclusive license from SCO.
you know how many cases of bse have been identified in humans? 155.
:)
That we know of. Some experts speculate that many more infections have occured and were misdiagonosed or masked by some other complication. Keep in mind that with a disease that has a incubation period of 5 to 20 years it is prudent to be on the safe side and keep a close eye on the situation to prevent a significant infection within the population.
However having hunted and field dressed animals before I was curious how the heck they removed "all" the infected spinal cord material from the cow so I contacted a veterinarian at the USDA (it took a little time and persistence).
The process he described is that the carcass is sawn in half right down the middle of the backbone with a circular saw - sort of like a table saw.
I asked doesn't that just disperse particulate spinal cord material all over the carcass. He agreed it certainly does but the carcass is washed off before the butchering process. This did not leave me feeling comforable knowing that a animal carcass has lots of nooks and crannies for material to trapped in. Also keep in mind slaughter houses are production environments.
Just some food for thought
I thought heat-pipes were driven by the pressure differential that results from gravity. The lower end of the pipe (wrt gravity) is the high pressure partition of the vapor-compression cycle and therefore is the evaporator or the part of the system that absorbes heat. The upper end is the condensor which release heat. Therefore for this system to work you would need to keep you hands above your head all the time.
In this article
Blake Stowell is quoted as saying:
Stowell said IBM's attorneys have requested for a postponement of a hearing scheduled Jan. 23 on evidence of the infringing code IBM had requested from SCO. No new court date has been set, and IBM could not be reached for comment.
Is this true? or is Stowell just blowing more smoke.
And just for the quote index Stowell is also quoted as saying (in reference to Novell):
"The company believes it's time to put a stop to the misleading statements that have gone on long enough and is causing confusion in the marketplace."
The salvation army is similar threat to our economy, values and way of life.
The salvation army frequently uses volunteer labor to help out with social problems and in doing so competes with the US governments established social services programs. These services our designed by our professional in Washington. The Salvation Army is essentially "dumping" their product for free and it will create an unstable situation that could cause our entire social services to collapse.
Also, I hear that the Salvation Army exports these services to foriegn countries and let me inform you that not all these counties that the Salvation Army deals with are those we classify as our friends.
We believe that you should be informed of these issues and the impact they have on the institutions we hold dear.
Hey we are now down to a few thousands of lines of code.
"Linux software contains thousands of lines of [sco's] propriety Unix code"
Can't they make their minds up. Big diff between millions of lines to thousands of lines.
# $version 0.01$
my $funds = get_money('src'=>'microsoft');
$funds += get_money('src'=>'sun');
$funds += get_money('src'=>'baystar');
$funds += get_money('src'=>'hapless_investors');
while ( $funds > 0 )
{
$funds -= pay_legal();
sue_someone('target'=>rand);
public_release('threat'=>rand);
}
die;
  ;
Jack Messman from Novell wrote to Darl McBride on May 28, 2003:
"We believe it unlikely that SCO can demonstrate that it has any ownership interest whatsoever in those copyrights. Apparently, you share this view, since over the last few months you have repeatedly asked Novell to transfer the copyrights to SCO, requests that Novell has rejected. Finally, we find it telling that SCO failed to assert a claim for copyright or patent infringement against IBM."
Oh that must of hurt! The fact that SCO attempted to get Novell to transfer the copyrights is proof enough that the copyright ownership is in question even in the mind of SCO.
When this is all over McBride will only be able to get job acting as the villian in a melodrama since it is truly the only talent he has shown to date.
And I quote "received a dozen queries since Australian pricing for the licences was announced this morning"
Sure something like
"You do know where you can shove that license - don't you?" (Said with australian accent of course)
or else
I really think Linus should file a similar suit. He has been slandered and the proof is in the public domain. If SCO fails to deliver the goods on the 23rd - case closed. If nothing else he could donate the judgement to some worthy cause like groklaw, OSDL or FSF.