um, any university "human subjects committee" that believes it 'owns' the students to the point of believing that it can authorise their use as unwitting guinea pigs is in need of ethical guidelines itself.
If my university tried to pull a stunt like that and said "ah, but THAT committee said that we could do it and it's up to them to decide if we use you as a guinea pig without your consent or not", I'd probably be the first out with a pitchfork and torch.
About the switch in Wales, I would say, "but what of the 5% who voted against? they just get their TV stolen from them by the majority?". But they didn't. Everyone was GIVEN a set top box.
If you're going to foce people to change from their currently working technology you'd best make sure that it doesn't cost them anything to do so, which is what happened in this case. The only problem is that giving everyone a box was a trial idea, and that won't be happening when all the analogue transmitters go offline in 2010 or whenever it is.
ah, well, that's easy. Move to the UK. have the ToS and text message transmitted to every client that connects state that access to the network is denied to those affiliated with the BPI (British RIAA equivalent). Watch them get criminal law on them for unauthorized access to a computer system due to the Computer Misuse Act 1994.
Ok, you don't have the DMCA gotcha, but you have got high encryption bittage and they still can't sniff the packets to decrypt anyway. Now all we have to do is get the major supercomputer and processor maufacturers to refuse to sell to the RIAA (and their ilk) and we're all set for them not being able to bruteforce the decryption.
well, in the movie scenario you're recording a recording of a film, in the lecture case your recording someone speaking directly - would there be IP issues if you walked down the street recording and picking up everyone else's conversations?
In response to your original point, yes, the theory does still apply, it's just that noone's told the IP lawyers yet;-)
Of course, you'll want to multiply that 20,000 by another 1,000 to get a proper billion, but we're talking about US dollars.
(Having said that, the British budget is now done with 'billion' meaning a thousand million rather than an actual British billion of a million million)
On the brakes. Yep, your fault (at least over here in the UK). The driver of the vehicle is responsible for it's roadworthiness even if it's a hire car or you're driving it away from it's MOT. Of course, you're unlikely to be charged if someone deliberately cut your brake lines to cause an accident as it wouldn't be in the public interest. (IANAL, of course)
Let's drop the to the fundamental level, shall we?
They don't object to them absorbing photons with their eyes, why do they object to them absorbing it with a CCD or a piece of silver halide film - so long as the camera isn't allowing them to see something that they couldn't otherwise see with their eyes (infrared band, through tiny holes with fibre optics, etc) I fail to see what real reason they've got for saying that they can't use them. Or maybe I'm just fed to the back teeth of paying through the nose to go to some historical attraction to be told 'no photography' even though the photography is an entirely passive action (if you turn your flash off). Blech.
Someone needs to get around to making an "if it's open to the public then they can take photos" law. You can't open something to the public and then be selective about which 'public' you let in because you don't like the slightly non-normal people (whatever 'normal' is).
We have something similar in my university, well the student's union. All adverts must be put up in a Welsh translation (I don't know if it works the other way) and, granted, the univerity offers free translation, but it's an extra annoyance and makes 50% of advertising wallspace useless to the 90% of the student population who don't speak Welsh, and redundant to the other 10% who do speak Welsh, but speak English as well.
read: actually a Golf with a different outer cover. Last I heard it was built on a Golf chassis and all.
I personally love the roar of the aircooled VW's, but I prefer the camper van, mostly just because my parents used to own one
Someone hacked into our server and posted the details of how to replicate it to the rest of the world. We're now embarassed, who can we lash out against?
Ah! the people who we can actually hurt without going to court or having to get law enforcement involved, the 119 18 years olds who were on tenterhooks to know if they'd been accepted and really couldn't contain themselves to wait another entire month when we'd already made the decisions.
Infact, if I understand from my rather hazy sources US law enforcement won't get involved unless the crime has cost $5000 (I could be way off here though, I didn't get this from an authoratitize site), so, since they're out the only other option to lash out and save face would be to sure, which is expensiv when you can just ruin 119 kids futures. Of course, doubtless it will end them up in court...
The ethics point isn't particularly strong, these are 18 year olds who want to know if their chosen college has accepted them and they find out that the decisions have been made and the letters written a month before they'll get them otherwise. The fact that they followed some instructions posted online to find some 'hidden' files reflects little on their ethics in the future - I spent hours in school trying to get into every nook & cranny of the systems (which the admin had tried to lock down) using as many non-invasive/agressive methods as I could find. Does that make me unethical? no. I did it entirely as an academic exercise to see how well locked down the systems were, would it have been unethical to find out information about me that the school held but didn't want to tell me? no, not in my opinion.
This seems to be the university lashing out against someone to save face. That 'someone' being the people who have least blood on their hands (out of the people actually involved) and who the university feels that it can get away with stomping on the easiest.
We will fight them at the CERN labs, we will fight them at the Black Mesa, we will fight them at the Gallium Neutrino Observatory, we will fight them and we will win
Assuming that the page doesn't have a counter that's a pretty good measure of how recent the information is. Browsers need a button that will run that, it would save everyone a lot of time.
it was missing 'potential' More people go to ebay looking to buy something than go looking to sell something, that doesn't mean that they're all sucessful. I'm such a person.
the house analogy need some work
What if he broke into the empty house, and cleared everything that was in it back to his warehouse. Would be be guilty of theft? I mean, afterall, he stole all of the owners stuff.
but surely, although not responsible for him being the victim of a virus, they ARE RESPONSIBLE for transferring money that he didn't actually authorize? does the word 'fraud' ring any bells?
His computer was logged in and it sent a transfer request. But he, personally, the person who the account belongs to, didn't actually authorize the transfer. Therefore it's a case of bank fraud by whoever did authorize it, which would boil down to the virus writer.
The bank should put the money back in his account and then track down the criminal type to recoup their costs.
Couldn't they just stick some more fuel in the shuttle and do it as part of another mission (perhaps putting something up there - take one thing up, bring something else back down). Might be a long endurance mission for the... can't spell it... guys who go up there, but if people can not go mad with 6 months on the ISS they should be able to survive a few more days in a shuttle to complete two missions.
Hey! talking of the ISS, anyone fancy putting a big telescope module on there? It would be easier to get at for maintenance.
This, of course, is even worse, since the student could easily have obtained other information, such as credit card numbers (plenty of teachers order supplies online), usernames, passwords, etc.
All of which he didn't do (as far as we know he only got the test answers). This should be counting in his favour, or, at least, not against him.
It's the same situation with the people who threw flour at Tony Bliar. It COULD have been anthrax, but it wasn't and they shouldn't be treated as if it was anything other than flour, infact they should get a medal for pointing out how weak the security was.
not virtually every video/audio file.
from the options dialog:
"This program is set to search for music files within the size parameters above" and the same for video.
It's not virtually every audio/video file. it's every audio/video file fitting certain criteria, these criteria being entirely based on file size. It IS a glorified windows search.
What I'd be more concerned about is parents running this, having it throw a wobbly about sound effect from a computer game, killing them because they think it will stop them getting sued and screwing up their, or their kids games. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and this software is spreading that little knowledge.
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um, any university "human subjects committee" that believes it 'owns' the students to the point of believing that it can authorise their use as unwitting guinea pigs is in need of ethical guidelines itself.
If my university tried to pull a stunt like that and said "ah, but THAT committee said that we could do it and it's up to them to decide if we use you as a guinea pig without your consent or not", I'd probably be the first out with a pitchfork and torch.
About the switch in Wales, I would say, "but what of the 5% who voted against? they just get their TV stolen from them by the majority?". But they didn't. Everyone was GIVEN a set top box.
If you're going to foce people to change from their currently working technology you'd best make sure that it doesn't cost them anything to do so, which is what happened in this case. The only problem is that giving everyone a box was a trial idea, and that won't be happening when all the analogue transmitters go offline in 2010 or whenever it is.
It's like saying "my car is a metre faster than yours".
Yeah? well mine can do the Kessel run in 12 parsecs!
ah, well, that's easy. Move to the UK. have the ToS and text message transmitted to every client that connects state that access to the network is denied to those affiliated with the BPI (British RIAA equivalent). Watch them get criminal law on them for unauthorized access to a computer system due to the Computer Misuse Act 1994.
Ok, you don't have the DMCA gotcha, but you have got high encryption bittage and they still can't sniff the packets to decrypt anyway. Now all we have to do is get the major supercomputer and processor maufacturers to refuse to sell to the RIAA (and their ilk) and we're all set for them not being able to bruteforce the decryption.
IANAL etc
and, if the RIAA breaks the encryption to check what's going on you've got a lovely DMCA gotcha. Gotta love turning the tables.
because noone's told the law makers yet, either
well, in the movie scenario you're recording a recording of a film, in the lecture case your recording someone speaking directly - would there be IP issues if you walked down the street recording and picking up everyone else's conversations? ;-)
In response to your original point, yes, the theory does still apply, it's just that noone's told the IP lawyers yet
"and give up many of the vices the fringe of hackerdom has"
Well at least you don't have to give up your girlfriend...
Of course, you'll want to multiply that 20,000 by another 1,000 to get a proper billion, but we're talking about US dollars.
(Having said that, the British budget is now done with 'billion' meaning a thousand million rather than an actual British billion of a million million)
On the brakes. Yep, your fault (at least over here in the UK). The driver of the vehicle is responsible for it's roadworthiness even if it's a hire car or you're driving it away from it's MOT. Of course, you're unlikely to be charged if someone deliberately cut your brake lines to cause an accident as it wouldn't be in the public interest. (IANAL, of course)
Let's drop the to the fundamental level, shall we?
They don't object to them absorbing photons with their eyes, why do they object to them absorbing it with a CCD or a piece of silver halide film - so long as the camera isn't allowing them to see something that they couldn't otherwise see with their eyes (infrared band, through tiny holes with fibre optics, etc) I fail to see what real reason they've got for saying that they can't use them. Or maybe I'm just fed to the back teeth of paying through the nose to go to some historical attraction to be told 'no photography' even though the photography is an entirely passive action (if you turn your flash off). Blech.
Someone needs to get around to making an "if it's open to the public then they can take photos" law. You can't open something to the public and then be selective about which 'public' you let in because you don't like the slightly non-normal people (whatever 'normal' is).
We have something similar in my university, well the student's union. All adverts must be put up in a Welsh translation (I don't know if it works the other way) and, granted, the univerity offers free translation, but it's an extra annoyance and makes 50% of advertising wallspace useless to the 90% of the student population who don't speak Welsh, and redundant to the other 10% who do speak Welsh, but speak English as well.
read: actually a Golf with a different outer cover. Last I heard it was built on a Golf chassis and all.
I personally love the roar of the aircooled VW's, but I prefer the camper van, mostly just because my parents used to own one
*maniacle laugh*
Charge up the tesla coil!
*tzzzzzzzt*
argh!
*zap*
Yaargh *zap* the geeks are *zap* going to *zap* get us! *zap*
"Eat 30 year old harddisk platter, capitalist scum!"
*several highly sharpened shiny metal disks fly through the air*
"Homopolar generator spun up! aim the railgun"
*huge crashing sound as several MIPI thugs are vaporised*
"Release the monitors!"
*several dozen broken 15" monitors begin to fall from the ceiling on the raiders.*
"For Khaz Modan!"
*thwack* *thwack* *thwunk* *storm bolt* *thunder clap* *thwack*
"Ok, lads, out with your LARTs let's mop them up!"
If only...
Someone hacked into our server and posted the details of how to replicate it to the rest of the world. We're now embarassed, who can we lash out against?
Ah! the people who we can actually hurt without going to court or having to get law enforcement involved, the 119 18 years olds who were on tenterhooks to know if they'd been accepted and really couldn't contain themselves to wait another entire month when we'd already made the decisions.
Infact, if I understand from my rather hazy sources US law enforcement won't get involved unless the crime has cost $5000 (I could be way off here though, I didn't get this from an authoratitize site), so, since they're out the only other option to lash out and save face would be to sure, which is expensiv when you can just ruin 119 kids futures. Of course, doubtless it will end them up in court...
The ethics point isn't particularly strong, these are 18 year olds who want to know if their chosen college has accepted them and they find out that the decisions have been made and the letters written a month before they'll get them otherwise. The fact that they followed some instructions posted online to find some 'hidden' files reflects little on their ethics in the future - I spent hours in school trying to get into every nook & cranny of the systems (which the admin had tried to lock down) using as many non-invasive/agressive methods as I could find. Does that make me unethical? no. I did it entirely as an academic exercise to see how well locked down the systems were, would it have been unethical to find out information about me that the school held but didn't want to tell me? no, not in my opinion.
This seems to be the university lashing out against someone to save face. That 'someone' being the people who have least blood on their hands (out of the people actually involved) and who the university feels that it can get away with stomping on the easiest.
We will fight them at the CERN labs, we will fight them at the Black Mesa, we will fight them at the Gallium Neutrino Observatory, we will fight them and we will win
Or until they reverse the polarity...
javascript:about(document.lastModified)
Assuming that the page doesn't have a counter that's a pretty good measure of how recent the information is. Browsers need a button that will run that, it would save everyone a lot of time.
more importantly, what would they list it's shipping weight as?
it was missing 'potential' More people go to ebay looking to buy something than go looking to sell something, that doesn't mean that they're all sucessful. I'm such a person.
the house analogy need some work
What if he broke into the empty house, and cleared everything that was in it back to his warehouse. Would be be guilty of theft? I mean, afterall, he stole all of the owners stuff.
but surely, although not responsible for him being the victim of a virus, they ARE RESPONSIBLE for transferring money that he didn't actually authorize? does the word 'fraud' ring any bells?
His computer was logged in and it sent a transfer request. But he, personally, the person who the account belongs to, didn't actually authorize the transfer. Therefore it's a case of bank fraud by whoever did authorize it, which would boil down to the virus writer.
The bank should put the money back in his account and then track down the criminal type to recoup their costs.
Just the one? What if you're on the other side of the asteroid and want liquid refreshment?
Couldn't they just stick some more fuel in the shuttle and do it as part of another mission (perhaps putting something up there - take one thing up, bring something else back down). Might be a long endurance mission for the... can't spell it... guys who go up there, but if people can not go mad with 6 months on the ISS they should be able to survive a few more days in a shuttle to complete two missions.
Hey! talking of the ISS, anyone fancy putting a big telescope module on there? It would be easier to get at for maintenance.
All of which he didn't do (as far as we know he only got the test answers). This should be counting in his favour, or, at least, not against him.
It's the same situation with the people who threw flour at Tony Bliar. It COULD have been anthrax, but it wasn't and they shouldn't be treated as if it was anything other than flour, infact they should get a medal for pointing out how weak the security was.
not virtually every video/audio file.
from the options dialog: "This program is set to search for music files within the size parameters above" and the same for video.
It's not virtually every audio/video file. it's every audio/video file fitting certain criteria, these criteria being entirely based on file size. It IS a glorified windows search.
What I'd be more concerned about is parents running this, having it throw a wobbly about sound effect from a computer game, killing them because they think it will stop them getting sued and screwing up their, or their kids games. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and this software is spreading that little knowledge.