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Phishing for Credit

An anonymous reader writes "Two graduate students at Indiana University conducted a phishing study to determine how readily students will give up personal information if the phishing emails appear to come from close friends. Using only publicly available information, they sent out emails to students asking them to click a link that required username/password information. Needless to say, the study has generated lots of attention on campus. The student newspaper has the story and the researchers have created a blog where the participants can vent."

218 comments

  1. Dear Friend by fembots · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear Friend,

    Can you please click on this link?

    Yours Truly Friendly,
    Close Friend

    1. Re:Dear Friend by grolschie · · Score: 1

      Classic. This humour is lost on non-NZers though. Your site is refering the the $1.95 MacD's ad right? If so, shouldn't it be the kid's father who should be selling him?

  2. Just watch by hsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They will be pressed with charges even though they had good intentions compared to hardly anyone getting caught with malicious intentions.

    1. Re:Just watch by j!mmy+v. · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh, naturally. The single fastest way to get people riled and after your ass is to make them look stupid. Publicly.

      Seriously, whatever happens, guys sharp enough to organize a phish study couldn't see it coming?

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    2. Re:Just watch by T-Ranger · · Score: 0, Troll

      pressed with charges
      Man, you speek the english good.

    3. Re:Just watch by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 1

      That's the subject for their next study: life in a federal pen. Their assigned mentor teacher for their thesis is called Dr. Bubba...

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    4. Re:Just watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That went over my head... I've heard the term before?

    5. Re:Just watch by docbrazen · · Score: 1

      According to their blog, "The Human Subjects Committee granted a waiver of consent for this experiment".

    6. Re:Just watch by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Seriously, whatever happens, guys sharp enough to organize a phish study couldn't see it coming?
      ... in their defence, they could say that it should have been obvious - after all, their server wasn't located in the .ru tld.

      Lesson # 1: Don't do phishing research in Amerika, because In Amerika, phishing does YOU!

      Lesson # 2: If you're going to do the time, at least make it worth your while. Make sure you have a buyer for any info you get.

      Lesson # 3: Remember to have a good agent for the TV movie and book deal lined up BEFORE you start your "research"

      Lesson # 4: Before publishing your results, make sure you use the password info to get enough data to be able to blackmail everyone into silence. Uploading kiddie porn to their accounts is a good way to start. It's like the WMDs, "We'll find them, even if we have to put them there ourselves".

      Time will tell - someone will get it right eventually.

    7. Re:Just watch by alanlke · · Score: 1

      Don't take it too personally. The idiomatic phrase is: "to press charges". In english, one can press charges against another, but one cannot be pressed with charges.

    8. Re:Just watch by Intron · · Score: 1

      Also according to the blog:

      Many of you are upset because you feel you were not asked for perminssion beforehand. I understand that this feels strange.

      So its obvious that these researchers are careful about what they do and recheck everything. I would trust them with my personal information.

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    9. Re:Just watch by s20451 · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, he means this. The moral is, don't fuck with the justice department!

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    10. Re:Just watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So its obvious that these researchers are careful about what they do...

      About as careful as you, I guess.

    11. Re:Just watch by itistoday · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Reading the comments on their blog I stumbled upon this:

      I commend the actions of the two graduate students. For those of you here preaching, you might as well walk out and shoot the police officer who provides you with the security you need and desire. The problem is real and people need to be aware. I sit and read about student so sarcastically thanking these fellows for taking their identity, and aside from the sarcasm, everything they are saying is correct.

      One contributor states "I'm so sure this 'lesson' is going to make me think real hard the next time I really want to click on a random, suspicious looking, link."

      And he's completely correct. This sentence, spoken through the teeth of cynicism, simply sums up the success of this project. No injustice was committed and no wrongful actions have been taken.

      For those of you seeking legal action, your minds have more than likely been made and no amount of rebuttal will likely change your course. But I ask that you step back and take all measures of fully informing yourselves before your begin your battle. Go, speak to these gentlemen in person. Learn their truest intentions face to face. Written words can easily become harsh when the reader draws out what they want rather than what was intended.

      These men have taken drastic measures to exploit the faults of our system of knowledge. Great faults can only be overcome by even greater measures. If you take nothing from this experiment, understand that at the least, you can consider yourself informed.

      I do not attend IU or live in the city of Bloomington. I bring an unbiased opinion.
    12. Re:Just watch by Intron · · Score: 1

      Hoist by my own petard.

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    13. Re:Just watch by rectifier · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is impossible. They got approval from the Human Subjects committe, and no real information was gained, They just verified if the user/pass was a valid IU id. Getting approval is no easy task (i used to administer phone surveys for an IU affiliate) and basically the blame now lies upon the HSC if any further action is taken

    14. Re:Just watch by pclminion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Publicly? Can you please give the URL to the page where they posted the names of the hapless victims? I'd like to see that.

    15. Re:Just watch by yali · · Score: 1
      Every university has an institutional review board that must approve any research that uses human beings as subjects. The IRB is an independent body that includes nonscientists and people with no affiliation with the university, and it evaluates whether the potential benefits of research outweigh any harm. IRBs are usually very conservative about allowing deception -- you simply cannot do it unless you can demonstrate that you are gaining valuable knowledge that could not be obtained any other way.

      According to TFA, the researchers got approval from their IRB. Seems to me there's a potential benefit not just to society at large (better understanding of how phishing schemes work), but also to the actual students involved in the study (learning how to protect themselves better). Indiana University better have the researchers' backs on this one.

    16. Re:Just watch by jemenake · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They will be pressed with charges even though they had good intentions compared to hardly anyone getting caught with malicious intentions.
      If they wanted to protect themselves from possible legal hassle later, they could have just recorded how many click-throughs they got from the actual email. Then, they could have just had the actual web page at the address have something like "No, No, NO! Don't click on links asking you for your password!".

      I don't know why eBay doesn't do this already. They could send out emails to their users from bogus addresses, with links pointing to IP-only websites, etc. When the user actually clicked-through, it could be a page explaining all of the hints that they could have used to figure out that it was a phish. Even if they had people submit their login info, eBay couldn't be accused of tricking them out of information that ebay already had, right?

      On a slightly off-topic note, does anyone else here wonder if eBay is secretly "salting" real phishing sites with "marked" usernames? Like banks give robbers marked money, ebay could submit specially-marked username/password pairs to phish pages. These usernames wouldn't map to real users. Instead, they'd cause an alert to happen at eBay when someone used the account. eBay could pre-load the user with fake feedback... the whole shot. And "eBay honeypot", if you will.
    17. Re:Just watch by satanami69 · · Score: 1

      Why not?

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  3. I see their point, but... by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But some students are upset they were involved in the study without their consent or knowledge. Senior Rebecca Shakespeare did not even know she had been used as a sender until her friend notified her.

    "I was frustrated that I was hearing from a friend that my e-mail account was sending her things," Shakespeare said. "I had no idea where it was coming from. I was irritated because I was concerned that my home system was being abused."

    Shakespeare called University Information Technology Services, which said it could have been a virus and to not click on the link.

    "I've spent a lot of time keeping my (computer) secured," Shakespeare said. "I feel kind of used that it was the University that was making my friends think I had opened up my system to viruses."


    If that's really why they're concerned, well, maybe they'd be interested in knowing that the vast majority of virus/malware type things that send email in this fashion still don't originate from the computer of the person in question anyway...therefore, this whole rationale for worry is BS, since spoofed email can come from *anywhere*, and it's most often NOT your own computer.

    And - make no mistake, I really do see their point - but the IT resources belong to the university, and neither the university nor the researchers uses the person's account or any password or other credentials belonging to the person. It was simply a spoofed "from" address; nothing more. And if it's strictly "legal" for any random person to spoof a from address, it's just as legal for the purposes of research, whose findings may provide some level of insight on *protecting* people from malicious phishing.

    Now, I personally don't know whether any of this justifies doing the study in the way they did. That's a judgment call. If the university's IT organization proper is doing it, that's one thing, and I could see people being uncomfortable with the motivations. But grad students? I don't see any problem with that at all. In fact, they don't need anyone's permission to do what they did. However, in good faith, they did get the approval of the Human Subjects Committee.

    1. Re:I see their point, but... by dmf415 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It seems those who conducted the experiment are going to get a bit more press then they expected.

    2. Re:I see their point, but... by OverlordQ · · Score: 0, Troll

      If the university's IT organization proper is doing it, that's one thing, and I could see people being uncomfortable with the motivations. But grad students? I don't see any problem with that at all.

      Say what!?

      I'd rather have the 'Official' Representatives of the service performing the study not some J Random User, since you know there has to be some oversight if the School Officals are doing it.

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    3. Re:I see their point, but... by John+Seminal · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If that's really why they're concerned, well, maybe they'd be interested in knowing that the vast majority of virus/malware type things that send email in this fashion still don't originate from the computer of the person in question anyway...therefore, this whole rationale for worry is BS, since spoofed email can come from *anywhere*, and it's most often NOT your own computer.

      And - make no mistake, I really do see their point - but the IT resources belong to the university, and neither the university nor the researchers uses the person's account or any password or other credentials belonging to the person. It was simply a spoofed "from" address; nothing more. And if it's strictly "legal" for any random person to spoof a from address, it's just as legal for the purposes of research, whose findings may provide some level of insight on *protecting* people from malicious phishing.

      So, what's the anwser? Is there something I can send with my emails that verifies it came from me, something that can't be spoofed. Is there some algorithm out there that a SERVER can use, attach as part of the header, that the recipient can then verify the origin?

      Headers can be forged, that is old news. But what has been done about it? How can we trust any email?

      The whole web was designed to be anonymous and trusted at the same time, two things that can not exists together. Either the web must evolve to a system where the sender is known, like a phone call. Just imagine if phone calls worked the way email works. You spoof your phone number, call someone else, and get their credit card number. That would land a person in jail.

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    4. Re:I see their point, but... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      signed,
      George.W.Bush@whitehouse.gov

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    5. Re:I see their point, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, what's the anwser? Is there something I can send with my emails that verifies it came from me, something that can't be spoofed.

      An OpenPGP or S/MIME signature.

      Is there some algorithm out there that a SERVER can use, attach as part of the header, that the recipient can then verify the origin?

      DomainKeys

      Just imagine if phone calls worked the way email works. You spoof your phone number, call someone else, and get their credit card number.

      It does work like that. This article mentions caller ID spoofing with VoIP, but anyone with a digital connection to the telephone network has been able to do this for years.

    6. Re:I see their point, but... by Twanfox · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just to be known, if you have the proper equipment, you can indeed send out a spoofed Caller ID tag. The Caller ID tag is not guaronteed to be the exact number that the person is calling from. Large companies often mask their internal numbers with one main one that anyone receiving a call could use to reach the main operator. To do so for more nefarious purposes could be done, but the trick is that, in order to truely fool a person, they have to mimic a voice as well. This is what would typically trip up someone seeking to do phishing on that level, even though it is still done to acquire username/password information if you act official enough.

    7. Re:I see their point, but... by The+Angry+Mick · · Score: 1
      spoofed email can come from *anywhere*

      I am George W. Bush, and I approved this message...

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    8. Re:I see their point, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah. I was kind of suspicious when that banker who called me had a Nigerian accent. But he offered me so much money to help him, that I figured it was OK.

    9. Re:I see their point, but... by alanlke · · Score: 1

      And if it's strictly "legal" for any random person to spoof a from address, it's just as legal for the purposes of research, whose findings may provide some level of insight on *protecting* people from malicious phishing.

      I agree with you that the experiment was probably not illegal, but the logic you used doesn't stand up. It is strictly "legal" for me to use a pseudonym with my friends, family, even strangers. If, however, I use a pseudonym to the purpose of committing a fraud, my action is illegal.

      The real legal question here is whether the total content of the email was tortuous or criminally fraudulent; the spoofed from address is merely an element to be considered.

    10. Re:I see their point, but... by Foz · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a hell of a lot easier to spoof a Caller ID tag than you are leading on. I routinely get fax blasters calling me from bogus numbers like "987-654-3210" (yeah, like THAT isn't obvious, sheesh). Requires no specialized equipment at all on your part.

      You have places like http://www.spooftel.com/ and http://www.covertcall.com/ (tons more can be found by googling) that easily allow this (caveat, I haven't actually TRIED any of the above, they may be completely bogus).

      -- Gary F.

    11. Re:I see their point, but... by swv3752 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Secure email, PGP/GPG. Enigmail is an extension for Mozilla to use PGP to encrypt or just sign emails.

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    12. Re:I see their point, but... by Noonian · · Score: 2, Informative

      But grad students? I don't see any problem with that at all. In fact, they don't need anyone's permission to do what they did. However, in good faith, they did get the approval of the Human Subjects Committee.


      Actually, grad students are just as subject to IRB (Institute Research Board) human subjects approval as faculty. Any research involving human subjects and that is intended to ever be published must obtain IRB approval prior to conducting the research.

      As part of the IRB approval process, there are several criteria that the board looks for. The relevant criterion here is "informed consent." That is, are the participants given enough information about the study to make their own reasonable decisions about whether they wish to participate and consent to the research. For some studies, informed consent simply is not feasible (as in the case here). In such cases, the researchers must convince the IRB that a) the risk to the participants is not unreasonable, b) that there is a valid research contribution, c) that the deception is necessary to the study, and d) that the deception is revealed to the participants after the study and that the real reasons for the study are given, along with the opportunity for the participant to opt out from having his or her data included.

      It is the researcher's responsibility to make sure that the participants' rights are observed, and the IRB's responsibility to provide oversight to make sure the researchers are being responsible. That applies just as much to any researcher, whether an undergrad, a grad student, or a faculty member.

    13. Re:I see their point, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is called OpenPGP and signing your emails. May I suggest you take a look at GPG and RFC 2440.

    14. Re:I see their point, but... by Westech · · Score: 1

      "...and d) that the deception is revealed to the participants after the study and that the real reasons for the study are given, along with the opportunity for the participant to opt out from having his or her data included."

      Does this part about allowing participants to opt out from having their data included apply to anonymous aggregate data (such as the overall percentage of participants who gave out their login info)? If so, then I see an easy way for a large group of upset participants to ruin this study without having to resort to legal or administrative action.

    15. Re:I see their point, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently you haven't meet the minimum-wage official representatives that would be doing the job. Think call center, then take away the "speaks 'English'" requirement.

    16. Re:I see their point, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently you go to a 3rd rate campus which doesn't have an IT Dept staffed by people who work for the institution.

    17. Re:I see their point, but... by Twanfox · · Score: 1

      It was my understanding that, to do it, you needed to have a bit of software or a bit of hardware (such as a PBX) that is capable of sending out that data. Most home lines can't do it, as, when you pick up the phone, the switch you are connected to is performing the job of sending the Caller ID information for you.

      However, as a disclaimer, I have not ever done nor researched all that was necessary to spoof Caller ID tags. I just know it can be done, and that it is routinely done with call centers, such as telemarketers.

    18. Re:I see their point, but... by gnu-user · · Score: 1

      You need hardware, but that is not the limiting factor. It's a protocol issue and involves your telco provider.

      CallerID is a "read only" protocol. It's pushed downstream, but there is no upstream reciever.

      The underlying protocol is ANI (automatic Number ID). You can get a variety of T1's that support ANI in some form, the most common being PRI ISDN.

      Just having this is not enough. Your provider has to accept the digits you claim as originating. Most provider will NOT accept end user provided origination. There are a lot of reasons for this. Here are a few that spring to mind.

      1) 911 network. The ANI is passed to the 911 system so that a given 911 call has a geographic location.

      2) Trust and abuse. The services linked in the parent post make this clear. Legit users almost never have compelling need to claim to be another number.

      3) possible billing issues. Phone number is a findamental billing/tracking entity in most telco systems. Allowing customers to present numbers could possibly cause uninetended problems.

    19. Re:I see their point, but... by gnu-user · · Score: 1
      I routinely get fax blasters calling me from bogus numbers like "987-654-3210" (yeah, like THAT isn't obvious, sheesh). Requires no specialized equipment at all on your part.


      Is the spoofed number on the fax printout? or di you have a callerid box on the fax line?

      If it's on the printout, it has zero reliability. Whats printed out is programmed into the fax machine, and is often wrong/out-of-date. It has no relationship to the phone system at all.
    20. Re:I see their point, but... by Foz · · Score: 1

      It's on the caller ID box, not on the printout. I don't even have my fax machine hooked up and don't accept incoming faxes (especially from junk faxers).

      Somehow the person who had this number before me managed to get herself (yes, it's a her) on tons of different fax blaster spam lines, so I have to deal with the freakin' phone ringing at 3 am with some idiot wanting to junk fax me. Man, it's a really good thing junk faxing is illegal! Really puts a stop to those guys!

      They are most definitely spoofing the Caller ID on the actual line.

      -- Gary F.

  4. 5 bucks says... by tmleafsar · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ...the school throws a fit and disciplines them.

    1. Re:5 bucks says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You lose. Their Ethics board cleared the experiment.

    2. Re:5 bucks says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does he lose? He didn't say he wanted them to be disciplined.

    3. Re:5 bucks says... by Flendon · · Score: 1

      That means nothing these days. It wouldn't be the first time someone got screwed with prior permission.

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    4. Re:5 bucks says... by drsquare · · Score: 1

      That clearing was BEFORE they got all this bad publicity and charges and possibility of lawsuits. Even if the school doesn't discipline them, they'd better start finding lawyers before their victims start dragging them through the courts.

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    21. Re:Your slashdot session has expired by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am pretty sure the post you refer was in response to the correct post.

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  6. Discpline?! by PunkOfLinux · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They did nothing wrong!!

    1. Re:Discpline?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This gets +1 insightful? Oh my aching brain.

    2. Re:Discpline?! by CrankyFool · · Score: 1

      They might not have done anything wrong, but back in my school (Berkeley), you couldn't conduct studies on people who hadn't signed up to do them. No unwilling participants.

      You could argue that it's hard to do a phishing study with people who know what they signed up for, but that is fundamentally _your_ problem, not the participant's.

      It might be their school has no such prohibition on nonconsentual study participation, but it's pretty clear that if it does (and I think most schools do), they did, in fact, do something pretty fundamentally wrong.

    3. Re:Discpline?! by squeee · · Score: 1

      That must be why Berkeley is such a leading educational facility... Studies like this necessitate people not signing up for it. If they know beforehand, it becomes utterly redundant. There are always opt out clauses, and the studies need to be pre approved by a panel. Any credible institution that does research involving people will have procedures for nonconsensual studies.

  7. forged headers by doormat · · Score: 5, Informative

    "I was frustrated that I was hearing from a friend that my e-mail account was sending her things,"

    Spam can come from anyone - its not too hard to forge the "FROM" line on an email. I'd hardly call it abuse of your account when spammers do it all the time.

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    1. Re:forged headers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just because a lot of people do it all of the time does mean it is not abuse. It just means that it is widespread abuse.

    2. Re:forged headers by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      That's true, but people typically expect academic research to have some sort of ethical guidelines which this study seems to have crossed.

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    3. Re:forged headers by Jim74 · · Score: 1
      Spam can come from anyone - its not too hard to forge the "FROM" line on an email. I'd hardly call it abuse of your account when spammers do it all the time.

      And what spammers do is not abuse? Just because it is simple to do or many people do it does not mean it is not abuse. And I would definitely not be expeciting my service provider or university to be spoofing my e-mail address. To me that is a form of character defemation or identity fraud.

    4. Re:forged headers by pclminion · · Score: 1
      That's true, but people typically expect academic research to have some sort of ethical guidelines which this study seems to have crossed.

      It was cleared by the research ethics body.

    5. Re:forged headers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's true, but people typically expect academic research to have some sort of ethical guidelines which this study seems to have crossed.

      Well, they did get approval from the ethics committee, which normally deal with far more dangerous studies in the medical field.

      And by getting approval, they pass the buck!

    6. Re:forged headers by Pansy · · Score: 1

      Fortunately you don't make our laws... And if I'm ever charged with "defemation" I know whose account to upload kiddie porn to :)

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    7. Re:forged headers by Knara · · Score: 1
      Read the article. They went to their ethics committee and had it cleared just like every other experiment with human subjects has to do.

      From the link:

      First off, Marcus didn't just up and decide to do the experiment. He got a green light from the human subjects committee here on campus to perform the experiment; a body of people whose job it is to say what is and is not ethical in experimentation. The fact of the matter is that there was no harm done and this experiment IS ETHICAL. Anyone whose tried to get such a blessing from the committee knows that they don't just okay anything that comes their way. I had to go through 3 rounds of revisions for my proposal simply to have 12 people sit down and test a piece of software. The fact is he went through the appropriate channels and was given permission to do it.

  8. I would imagine.. by breakbeatninja · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That regardless of the intent, this sort of conduct is at the very least considered immoral and possibly bordering on illegality. It sounds like fraud to me. Simply posing as someone else to get certain private information seems innocent enough if the goal is to warn their fellow students of their vulnerability to social engineering, since the weakest link in computer security is the person. I would imagine they are going to feel some heat from the university at the very least for this, though.

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    1. Re:I would imagine.. by sp5 · · Score: 0
      That regardless of the intent, this sort of conduct is at the very least considered immoral and possibly bordering on illegality.

      This is definitely illegal. It's analogous to breaking and entering, or stealing a car and saying you were just testing the security. Yah, right! Tell it to the judge...

      -sp-

    2. Re:I would imagine.. by rtaylor · · Score: 1

      "Simply posing as someone else to get certain private information..."

      Except that they're now posing as students doing research because they were caught phishing for information.

      Next time you break into a bank and get caught while inside the vault just tell the cops you were testing the security system without the banks knowledge, but intended to give a full report later on.

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    3. Re:I would imagine.. by YankeeInExile · · Score: 3, Funny

      So, they magically went back in time to get approval from the ethics committee after getting caught? Shit -- fuck the write-up on the phishing -- describe the time machine!

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    4. Re:I would imagine.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is definitely illegal. It's analogous to breaking and entering, or stealing a car and saying you were just testing the security. Yah, right! Tell it to the judge...

      Not as illegal as being criminally stupid -
      which is what you are.
      Please learn to read.

    5. Re:I would imagine.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that they're now posing as students doing research because they were caught phishing for information.

      At least they weren't posing as someone who has
      a brain cell, which is what you are doing.
      Please learn to read.

    6. Re:I would imagine.. by Pansy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Spoken like someone with a 6-digit UID :P

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    7. Re:I would imagine.. by pclminion · · Score: 1
      Next time you break into a bank and get caught while inside the vault just tell the cops you were testing the security system without the banks knowledge, but intended to give a full report later on.

      Just remember to get authorization from said police before you do it. That's what these folks did.

    8. Re:I would imagine.. by rtaylor · · Score: 1

      So approval from a random 3rd party makes it okay? The ethics committee is not a legal authority and does not represent the students who had their information taken.

      I still think some of the students who were fooled should be pressing charges and let the courts solve it.

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      Rod Taylor
    9. Re:I would imagine.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So approval from a random 3rd party makes it okay?

      So ignoring the actual comment makes your previous inane remark okay? Apparently so!

      Keep fighting that good fight!

  9. Heh by Otter · · Score: 4, Funny
    [T]he researchers have created a blog where the participants can vent.

    This would make a nice change from the usual celebrity-in-trouble "apologies", where they go on the Tonight Show, bite their lips and look downcast and assure us "I'm very, deeply, truly sorry..."

    Instead we can get, "Jay, I have created a blog where people can vent."

    1. Re:Heh by YankeeInExile · · Score: 1

      Well, I think it would be a perfectly reasonable defense, since you have in your hand the signed permission from the ethics committee.

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    2. Re:Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you read the article, you'd know the authorities had approved it.

    3. Re:Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would "we're only conducting a study" be accepted as a defense?

      No more so than 'not reading the article' serves
      as your defense. They had permission, dumbass.

    4. Re:Heh by TheGavster · · Score: 1

      The response from IT was more along the lines of, 'yeah, some people are doing a study. Congratulations, you weren't duped.'

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  10. Study extension by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Funny

    Two graduate students at Indiana University conducted a phishing study to determine how readily students will give up personal information

    After such a successful research on phishing, our two friends have decided to tackle a new study: test how much load e-commerce sites can handle, and how much money ATMs can usually deliver on any given day.

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    1. Re:Study extension by Minute+Work · · Score: 1

      I would love to participate in this new study. Please provide me with your bank account numbers and I will deposit all of my Nigerian assets into your accounts.

      -Prince Azoo III

    2. Re:Study extension by kwieland+in+stl · · Score: 1

      Or how well the website holds up to a /.

    3. Re:Study extension by snowbird · · Score: 1

      Nah, the *real* study is categorizing all of the posts on the blog site.

      Gotta love the results that fall out of all of those slashdot posts.

  11. shades of Randal Schwarz at Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    While teaching a course on Perl, the co-author of O'Reilly's "Learning Perl" book ran the Crack program on Intel's password files, hoping to use the info to bid on a contract. Instead, Intel turned him into the police and he spent years trying to clear his name.

    One VP had the following password: Pre$ident.

    1. Re:shades of Randal Schwarz at Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      He was actually convicted of several charges; I believe he got probation. He had been working as a contractor at Intel at the time. And it had nothing to do with bidding on a project, nor with testing Intel's security.

    2. Re:shades of Randal Schwarz at Intel by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      One VP had the following password: Pre$ident.

      You think that's bad? I once worked for a small company. When I was hired, I was given my company email address. I was told that they'd tried to set up their mail server not to require passwords but it wouldn't let them so they just set everybody's to password. They didn't give any instructions on how to change it, so you probably couldn't. I could have read the CEO's email if I'd cared, but it wouldn't have been worth the effort.

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  12. well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    people are stupid. film at 11.

  13. Heh by Have+Blue · · Score: 0

    It would have been interesting if they tried to "phish" a tech-savvy student who noticed the forged headers and reported the researchers to campus authorities as fraudsters. Would "we're only conducting a study" be accepted as a defense? (And if it was, would it be adopted by real phishers in the future?)

  14. You would think... by demondawn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That people would be a little more mature about this; viruses and other malicious software can (and often do) get sent from friends' email addresses (how many viruses are there that read someone's Outlook Address Book?) I think people are being a little naive.

  15. Shakespeare? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't take this article seriously when the main persn they interviewed was named "Shakespeare"....

    1. Re:Shakespeare? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 1

      You can't take this article seriously when the main persn they interviewed was named "Shakespeare"....

      Alack, 'tis he: why, he was met even now
      As mad as the vex'd sea; singing aloud

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  16. a license? by cryptoz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This reminds me of old debate about requiring a license to use the internet. The pros being obvious: stupid/ignorant people would not be allowed to open viruses any longer, etc. The cons being that the internet is currently a free, open medium with few restrictions on what can be said/shown.

    1. Re:a license? by McGiraf · · Score: 1

      Well with so much business using the web now it's become impossible to do that. Imagine the lost revenues for AOL, Amazone, Google etc. $1 from an idiot is worth the same a $1 from anybody else, and is probably easier to get.

    2. Re:a license? by Intron · · Score: 1

      Its just happening gradually. My first ISP gave me a telnet account to a Sun and let me set up whatever I wanted. Sadly or fortunately, you don't get that kind of access on a typical home account, anymore.

      As time goes on, the restrictions will grow until you only have access to port 80. Everything else will be an add-on service by your ISP.

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  17. My Friends by Mintee · · Score: 1

    Are so scared of everything, they won't even give out their information so sign up a service like netflix. It's absurb.

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  18. Re:How legal is this... my spin on it all by demondawn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Graah! Why is the solution to everyone's problem with academia "fire the professor"? Your analogy to robbing a bank is a false one; nothing was actuallly stolen in this project. I think you, and a lot of other people, are overreacting.

  19. Well done... by Yaa+101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think it's good to let students (future scientists, decicion makers etc...) feel what it means to be part of socially constructed fraud... Mainly because this will get worse and worse over time, you see how many database leaks with high profile personal data have taken place lately. People have to learn ways around all this identity theft, the only way is to confront them with the consequenses of this all.

  20. Harm was still done by gcauthon · · Score: 1

    In a phishing attack there are a couple ways in which the user's identity is compromised. The first and most obvious is that the attacker, in this case a friendly IT worker, now has your credentials. The second way, is that now your credentials are quite possibly cached/stored somewhere that can be more easily hacked. How do they know someone didn't piggy-back off their hacked together phishing script and now they're planning something malicious. Once you tap into a secure channel you can create a lot of holes in no time. If nothing else, just the list of duped usernames could be extremely valuable.

    1. Re:Harm was still done by TheIndefiniteArticle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The article seems to indicate that only the FROM part of the emails were phony. The links actually point to the school's server, and no valuable information was recorded, i.e. the passwords were not recorded by some other server. They were given permission only to gain information that was already in the public circle, and they only gathered email addresses which are probably available to anyone from the school's website.

    2. Re:Harm was still done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nevertheless, someone other than me using my name harms me in ways I cannot know.

    3. Re:Harm was still done by Bonhamme+Richard · · Score: 1

      Let's just hope that when it was annouced to everyone that their IDs had been comprimised they changed their passwords. At Mellon it only takes about 30sec to change your password. Unless someone else already changed it, you shouldn't have any problems fixing it. I don't know about what its like at other colleges though...

    4. Re:Harm was still done by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 1

      Theres a pretty decent summary of phishing and other types of attacks here, written for the ordinary (but interested) Joe...

    5. Re:Harm was still done by TheIndefiniteArticle · · Score: 1
      Obviously, I must point out the irony that an Anonymous Coward would say: "Nevertheless, someone other than me using my name harms me in ways I cannot know."

      But, seriously, my comment was designed to undermine a specific part of what I believed to be someone else's fallacious argument, and nothing more should be assumed.

  21. Ethics by Datasage · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A lot of the comments on the blog, complained that the study was unethical because the participants didnt know they were part of the study.

    My two reasons why I think it couldnt have been done any other way.

    1. This study focuses on deception and how people react when they are decived.

    2. Telling the participants they were a part of a study or asking them to be part of it, would effect the behavior of the participants and therefore changing the study results.

    As long as the information was not used in any illegal way. Then I don't find a problem with how this expirement was conducted. Yes it sucks to get phished, but its better to be fished by these guys than the hundreds of other phishers who are out there to turn phising into finacial gain.

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    1. Re:Ethics by ash5g · · Score: 1

      Usually when doing studies, you still ask people to be involved in the study, but don't tell them what the study is looking for. Not asking people is a breach of ethical guidelines. It doesn't matter if the subjects suffered real or percieved harm, the potential for harm was definately there, and they should have asked people first.

    2. Re:Ethics by squeee · · Score: 1

      Usually when doing studies, you still ask people to be involved in the study, but don't tell them what the study is looking for. No, you don't. The hey word there is usually. However you do tell them afterwards. (at least usually, in observational studies, where no personally identifying information is collected whatsoever, there is no ethical guideline requiring consent. Example, monitoring the routes of people walking round a supermarket) Not asking people is a breach of ethical guidelines. Again, wrong, read the ethical guidelines. In studies where deception is necessary, guidelines say that the study should be approved by an appropiate panel, that the study should be non harmful, and that "participants" should be informed after the fact, and that they should have the choice that any data collected from them can be destroyed. The guidelines also say that the project should contain justifiable research aims and be of a nature that justifies or necessitates deception. It doesn't matter if the subjects suffered real or percieved harm, That part at least is right. The subjects must not be put at undue risk of being harmed. the potential for harm was definately there, and they should have asked people first. I disagree with this. Advancement of knowledge requires study to be done. Often the subjects must be "not previously interfered with". This sort of study is frequent and often necessary.

  22. Facebook. by jeffkjo1 · · Score: 1

    This is exactly, 100%, the reason I don't have a facebook account. My friends can social interweb link themselves to everyone in the world to their hearts content, but if you want to track me down, I'm not going to unlock my door and put a huge sign on my lawn saying 'come on in and steal my TV.'

  23. In other news by Aumaden · · Score: 2, Funny

    In other news, Indiana University students found to be whiners.

  24. Re:How legal is this... my spin on it all by DeathFlame · · Score: 1

    I doubt that sending an email with a spoofed "From" email address is illegal. It's not like your analogy at all, it's more like someone dressing up as your friend, meeting you at the bank and asking you for your card and your pin number to show you something "cool". Just because it could harm you, don't make it illegal. And your bit about privacy? Well, they obtained everyting from the public domain. They didn't do anything anyone else, who would could have actually exploited these people, couldn't have done. I think your silly for thinking the proffeser shoiuld be fired and the students prosecuted.

  25. Hey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    How'd you get your d to go backwards?

    Oh wait.

  26. Oh the brainsss! by atari2600 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "I feel betrayed and offended"

    Someone posted that on the blog. I think he/she should feel foolish rather than feel betrayed. Or that should be read as "I am so fucking dumb that i cannot believe i did what i did".

    1. Re:Oh the brainsss! by remahl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That could easily be said for other experiments that have been challenged on ethical grounds. Sometimes experiments find things about ourselves we'd rather not know.

      For example, the Milgram experiement, where participants were mildly coerced by an authoritative person to administer strong electrical shocks to a subject (who was really an actor). A high proportion of the participants were willing to administer levels of shock that they believed to be lethal.

      Would you like to know that you would be capable of murder as long as someone else was there to take the responsibility/blame? Even if the person in the quoted blog post should feel foolish, that does not make the experiment ethical and non-offensive - quite the opposite.

    2. Re:Oh the brainsss! by atari2600 · · Score: 1

      I am currently undergoing therapy and it is almost helping. I almost believe i cannot marry a night elf female anymore :(. Blizzard did some kinda experiment on me when they released that game "World of Warcraft". *Cry* OH PAIN!.

    3. Re:Oh the brainsss! by squeee · · Score: 1

      Milgram wasn't challenged in ethical grounds. Ethical guidelines weren't properly in place when Milgram conducted his infamous study. Milgram is the reasn we have ethical guidelines! "mildly coerced"? That's a rose tinted evaluation of that study if ever I heard one.

  27. Re:False analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Present a note to the bank teller saying you have a gun and do NOT want anything but for here to have a nice day. Even though you do not have a gun and have not stolen anything, you will find what happens next to be very interesting. Try it.

    You don't need to steal anything or do anything in order to break the law. The fact that you posed a false threat is sufficient, in many circumstances, to entitle you to a thorough familiarization with a night stick and quite possibly a tazer.

  28. Re:How legal is this... my spin on it all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know this is going off topic, but this reminds me of the LSD studies the CIA did in the late 70's.

    Except there's a large line between giving someone chemicals that could very easily be toxic, or at least cause significant health problems, and seeing if people will input private data that the study authors won't use anyway.

    And disciplining the professor or the students in this instance is absolutely insane. The entire point of having an "Human Subjects Committee" oversight board is to allow the university to make these kinds of decisions. Furthermore, I'm still not clear what they did that would qualify as illegal. If spoofing email addresses is a serious crime, there's a lot more people that should be in jail (and it would be massively easier to convict spammers); it's likely that phishing for personal data is only illegal if you actually collect the data, which it appears they didn't (it did a check to see if it was valid, but they don't indicate that the password itself was saved).

    Do some students feel used? Sure... but there doesn't seem to be any real harm done, and it's impossible to actually get an idea of how to deal with the problem of real phishing attempts if you can't get a sense of how many normal people actually fall for what types of things.

  29. Dear Fiends by antdude · · Score: 1

    Can you also please click on this link? ;)

    Yours Truly Unfriendly,
    Close Fiend

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  30. Re:How legal is this... my spin on it all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're stupid enough to give out information without verifying who you're giving it to and why it's needed, that's your own damn fault. People want to bitch about making things like this illegal, but there's no right to government ass-wiping.

    Let see...*RING RING*
    "Hello?"
    "Anonymous? Anonymous Coward??? Is that you? How the hell are you?!!! I haven't heard from you in a long time! This is Phred Phisher!"
    "Hi Phred, great, how are you?? You sound a little different..."
    "Yeah, I got a cold. Hey, can I have your account information?"
    "Sure, no problem! Here you go!"
    "Thanks, bye!"
    ".............."

    If you think they should be arrested for my stupidity, you're missing a few cards.

  31. RTFA.... by YankeeInExile · · Score: 5, Informative

    ... to find that they did this experiment under the oversight of the university's Human Subjects Committee.

    If that doesn't sound like some sort of ethical guidelines I don't know what does.

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    1. Re:RTFA.... by Anonymous+Cowpat · · Score: 1

      um, any university "human subjects committee" that believes it 'owns' the students to the point of believing that it can authorise their use as unwitting guinea pigs is in need of ethical guidelines itself.
      If my university tried to pull a stunt like that and said "ah, but THAT committee said that we could do it and it's up to them to decide if we use you as a guinea pig without your consent or not", I'd probably be the first out with a pitchfork and torch.

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    2. Re:RTFA.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once it is legal, it's no longer immoral!

  32. study successful by BroadwayBlue · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "It's kind of ridiculous," she [Junior Lisa Aigner] said. "It's just the fact that a group supposedly affiliated with (the University) ... kind of took my trust and threw it out the window."

    Welcome to the internet; trust no one. I hope more people got the message.

  33. This was all done with official blessings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A closer reading reveals that these are not two rogue students, but supervised under faculty and had the consent of the human subjects comitee for the experiment. The students had their legal bases covered months before executing the experiment. Request Human Subject Study #05-9893, #05-9892 reports for details

  34. reportphishing@antiphishing.org by jago25_98 · · Score: 2, Informative

    For reference, send phish email you've recieved to

    reportphishing@antiphishing.org

    ( from http://www.antiphishing.org/report_phishing.html )

    1. Re:reportphishing@antiphishing.org by ocularDeathRay · · Score: 1

      right.. and when you send your report don't forget to include all your contact information in case they need to get ahold of you.

      don't forget Name, Address, Phone number, birthdate, and social security number so they can verify the report.

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    2. Re:reportphishing@antiphishing.org by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

      That's a very good point. I'll be sure to use my spammail account from now on

  35. Spoofing on Campus... by BalorTFL · · Score: 1

    is apparently not as accepted as you think. Many places will mete out surprisingly harsh penalties to people who spoof email as a prank. In fact, whenever there's a computer involved, the authorities tend to crack down much harder on insignificant offenses. Suddenly, it's not a joke email, it's a "forged document", "computer misconduct", "violation of university policy", and second-degree mansla... Err, wait... nvm.... yeah... anyway, it's bad.

  36. What was stolen? Ignorance & naivete by G4from128k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Your analogy to robbing a bank is a false one; nothing was actuallly stolen in this project.

    Something was stolen from the unwitting student/participants. They lost their ignorance of the sad state of the internet's infrastructure. This "experiment" created a harsh wake-up call that e-mail is not a trustworthy medium.

    SMTP was never designed for an open environment with untrustworthy users. It was designed for collegial academic networks with funding from people that run closed military networks.

    Why is the solution to everyone's problem with academia "fire the professor"

    I agree 100%, but shooting the messenger is an age-old solution. People prefer a comforting falsehood (email is trustworthy) to a harsh reality.

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  37. Re:The More Attention This Gets, The Better by pclminion · · Score: 4, Informative
    I think it's pretty clear to everyone that these students didn't follow proper procedure for research studies. When I did human experimental research, I had to have my research proposal approved by the Institutional Review Board at my college.

    That's precisely what they did. The whole thing was authorized from top to bottom. They even got the okay from campus IT to "abuse" the computer systems for their purposes. Try RTFA sometime.

  38. Your Amazon session has expired by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The funny thing about this story is I've been trying to sign up for Amazon's "book browse" service. Of course they want a valid credit card with all the info. e.g. billing, shipping, etc. Privacy violation plus if anyone hacks Amazon, well...

  39. Re:The More Attention This Gets, The Better by TIMxPx · · Score: 1, Informative

    It appears that the experimenters did have some clearance, after RTFA. Perhaps they didn't follow the plan, didn't disclose all of the information to the review board, or the board didn't understand the nature of the project?

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  40. Erg. I'd love to see... by Niet3sche · · Score: 1, Interesting

    the IRB Human Subjects form. This was a deception study, clearly. The fact that this was so is fine, but running things like this past IRB requires a strict and rigid understanding between the PIs and the IRB. Also, AFAIK, provisions must be made for "repairing" anyone who is damaged by the research - even if it is incidental (e.g. your research was only "the last straw").


    I'd like to see the IRB to determine how things are done at IU. Without seeing the form, I really cannot comment on weather what was done was "ethical" or not. It is a blisteringly simple experiment, and if they can get a paper out of it, it'd be what we call "low-hanging fruit".


    However, if no IRB approval was received, then this is an entirely different matter. IRB approval == crap hits IRB if things go horribly wrong. No IRB approval == crap hits PIs and all associated if things go horribly (or publicly) wrong.


    Hopefully the forms were filled out.

  41. Any college age person who is fooled by an email o by TheIndefiniteArticle · · Score: 3, Funny

    Any college age person who is fooled by an email of the described type deserves a swift kick in the ass.

  42. I'm from Indiana by Rocketboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and I object most strenuously to being associated with what sounds like the noisiest bunch of whining idiots in recent memory.

    Unethical? Possibly -- in the current "enlightened" academic environment where definition of terms is often left to whom screams loudest I suppose that one or more of these embarrassed campus inhabitants has enough functioning brain cells to come up with a completely irrelevant but intensely self-referrential definition which supports their childish outrage. It's highly delusional but they're obviously still children and I don't suppose we can expect actual coherent thought from them until they grow up.

    Invasion of privacy"? Drugs must be a significant problem at IU. It always was known as a party school, and this is just more evidence that the description contains some accuracy. And to think that these students are often described as the "best and brightest" and the next generation of leaders. Kinda provides some background for current events, doesn't it? :)

    Rb

    1. Re:I'm from Indiana by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Don't use a $20 word when a $5 word is available."

      William Strunk, The Elements of Style
    2. Re:I'm from Indiana by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What the fuck are you talking about? Your post is entire void of arguments either against or in favor of the experiment, and you're complaining about other people whining! Lots of fancy sounding words might make you help fool Slashdot 13 years old non-American moderators into thinking you're saying something of value, but to the rest of us it just looks ridiculous.

      Add to the debate or stay out. Nobody wants to read your contentless nonsense.

    3. Re:I'm from Indiana by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      and I object most strenuously to being associated with what sounds like the noisiest bunch of whining idiots in recent memory.

      Not only don't you have anything to say, you also needlessly start throwing insults. If these people's criticism is valid can be debated, of course, but you do not engage in such a debate, you just spew a lot of hate speech seemingly directed at everyone and no one in particular.

      I'm sure people in Indiana don't particularly mind if you distance yourself from them. I sure wouldn't.

  43. Re:How legal is this... my spin on it all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i am lazy

    was forging headers not made illegall by CAN-SPAM?

  44. What to offended whiners think about Viruses??? by wernst · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Boy, if the whiners there are complaining like this about nothing more than losing their dignity due to BENIGN phishing, imagine how loud their whining will be when they've lost their banking information and social security information due to REAL phishing.

    It seems their primary complaint is that, GASP, "evil" email looked like it was coming from people they know. WAKE THE HELL UP PEOPLE!!! All the Slammer and Melissa viruses (and their mutated children) DO THE SAME THING: they scan through the address books of their victims, rewrite the "From" line to be one name in the address book, and then write the "To" line to be you (whose name is also in the address book) -- and then there's a good chance that you'll then know the person's name in the "From" line, which (it is hoped) makes you let your guard down and open the infected attachment.

    I'll bet $1028 that 90% of the whiners there have been infected by these viruses in the past, and probably still are. And now they've been fooled a second time the same way. How does that old expression go again?

    When I find some sympathy these whiners, I'll let them know...

    1. Re:What to offended whiners think about Viruses??? by joebubba · · Score: 1
      > How does that old expression go again?

      Goes like this

  45. Re:Erg. I'd love to see... by Niet3sche · · Score: 1

    D'oh - yup, they were filled out:

    So the Human Subjects Committee allowed the actual phishing attack to run without informed consent from the subjects.

    (from http://www.idsnews.com/subsite/story.php?id=29400)

    I still wonder, though, how they (Human Subjects Committee) provisioned for possible fall-out.

  46. just for playing Phish? by commodoresloat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I can't wait to see the looks on those little Eichmanns' faces when they hear this crunchy groove!

  47. Angry students by baadger · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The third comment down on the entry blog is the only one worth reading.


    Anonymous Says:
    April 25th, 2005 at 12:19 pm

    "An email could have gone out at the beginning of the semester asking for volunteers to receive a message at a late, unannounced time."


    Moral of the day: If you're going to emulate something evil in a research context you get the damn permission and cover your arse first

    Sneaky Solution: Slip an agreement into the campus network AUP that lets the "IT security office" carry out 'various surveys, tests and research to help improve campus security and promote awareness of security related issues that may effect students. All IT security office studies follow our strict <a href="PP-url-goes-here">privacy policy</a>'. Most students sign an AUP and if they don't read it, then that becomes their problem.
  48. RTFA by Pansy · · Score: 1

    RTFA, they were, as stated repeatedly on this site and the blog...

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    1. Re:RTFA by Niet3sche · · Score: 1

      So noted in my response to myself - however, I am still curious as to what provisions have been made for fall-out. This is now between IRB and the subjects, if none were made and IRB signed off on it (at least, that's how I see it).

  49. cheese with that whine? by Nexboy · · Score: 1

    Jeez, did you see the whiny little responses by the nimrods who were hooked by the simulated phishing attack? I say that every admin ought to do these attacks on their users daily, and anybody who replies should get their access cut until they write on the blackboard 100 times "I'm a stupid dumbass for responding to a phishing email."

  50. Re:How legal is this... my spin on it all by 01000011011101000111 · · Score: 1

    Just as an aside, LSD compared to most chemicals has No health problem causing potential (esp. compared to common chemicals such as paracetamol, nicotene or alcohol). It's definatly non-toxic (nobody's yet found the OD level for acid. ever.) It *DOES* cause serious mental rewiring which may or may not lead to a) latent mental problems becoming more severe b) dopamine pathways being funged, causing flashbacks c) a tendancy to concentrate on things that are generally good in life (such as nature, religion, art & love), and d) confrontation leading to solution of mental health problems.
    Just my $0.02

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    Programming is an Art. I am an Artist. Does that mean I get to wear a daft hat?
  51. Re:Erg. I'd love to see... by Blackeagle_Falcon · · Score: 1
    RTFA

    "Because of the ethical issues associated with deception, Jagatic and Johnson had to obtain permission from the Human Subjects Committee, which approves experiments on campus that involve humans and ensures studies are ethical and do not violate participants' privacy. . . . But because the phishing study tests responses to e-mails from close friends or acquaintances -- what the study calls a person's "social network" -- it was important to keep an element of secrecy, Menczer said. So the Human Subjects Committee allowed the actual phishing attack to run without informed consent from the subjects."

  52. "How to improve your phishing attack" by javaxman · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I don't understand fully people being upset about this, other than uhem, people who gave up their passwords ( whoops! ). It sucks to have someone er, 'make you look stupid'. Of course, there is the potential that they are somehow/somewhere keeping copies of everyone's passwords, though it looks like they're claiming to delete the actual data.

    The only thing that really bothers me is that they've essentially shown phishers how to dramatically improve their results :

    About 70% of recipients fell victim to the attacks using contextual information from social networks; this is an increase by a factor of 23 compared to known phishing attacks, and by a factor of four compared to the case where the sender is unknown but appears to be in the same domain as the victim

    Er... this is sorta like doing research on how to make a better bomb, buddy. This is not socially responsible computer science research, is it? I'd be more interested in determining out how to create a social networking site ( like whatever this "facebook" thing is ) that _can't_ be exploited in such a manner. That sounds like a more productive and useful exercise, and one less likely to get everyone pissed off at you for showing them to be gullible. 70% is a lot, even if that's just an estimate.

    1. Re:"How to improve your phishing attack" by pclminion · · Score: 1
      Er... this is sorta like doing research on how to make a better bomb, buddy. This is not socially responsible computer science research, is it?

      So if we shut our eyes and stick our fingers in our ears, Everything Will Be Okay?

      I'd be more interested in determining out how to create a social networking site ( like whatever this "facebook" thing is ) that _can't_ be exploited in such a manner.

      How would anybody have known about this exploit if nobody has studied it? To use your bomb analogy, how could we ever figure out how to disarm a thermonuclear weapon if nobody has ever built one?

    2. Re:"How to improve your phishing attack" by squeee · · Score: 1

      how could we ever figure out how to disarm a thermonuclear weapon if nobody has ever built one? If no one has built it, there is no need to disarm it. In Soviet Russia, bomb disarms you.

    3. Re:"How to improve your phishing attack" by pclminion · · Score: 1
      If no one has built it, there is no need to disarm it. In Soviet Russia, bomb disarms you.

      Just because some hypothetical "we" doesn't want to build one doesn't mean the enemy won't. Similarly in this case, do you think that if academics don't do the research, the Bad Guys will never figure it out?

  53. Re:How legal is this... my spin on it all by DeathFlame · · Score: 1

    Foraging headers in commercial spam is illegal.

    This was not commercial spam.

  54. more forthcoming? by justforaday · · Score: 1

    Junior Lisa Aigner said although she understands the purpose of the study, she feels Jagatic and Johnson should have been more forthcoming about the e-mails.

    Ahh yes, we all know this study would have worked had it had the disclaimer "This is only a test"

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  55. Detecting idiocy by jnicholson · · Score: 1
    A lot of the complaints from people who were sent these emails (whether fooled or not fooled) are ludicrous. I do have a little sympathy for the student whose from address was used to fool her friend, same as I do for the owners of from addresses used by spammers.

    I think the study was worthwhile but could have been conducted better.

    1. They might have obtained permission from the students whose identities were used in the from addresses, so that if the students who received the emails called and asked WTF the 'sender' would be able to explain and it wouldn't need to go further. I don't think that would invalidate the results.

    2. They might have obtained permission from all the students involved to do an 'email usage experiment' throughout the semester. They wouldn't be given details of exactly what it would entail, but they would agree to be a part of the experiment. Later, when they complain, the experimenters can point out that they volunteered...

    3. Did the people who gave up their passwords for chocolate sue? Hell no! They ate their chocolate and were happy. The experimenters should have offered chocolate, which makes all things good.

    Now I'm hungry. Dammit.

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    "Do not drill any holes in your cat - it will not like it."
    -- Nick Davies
  56. Re:Erg. I'd love to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right, I picked up on this and noted it in my response to myself - however, I am still curious as to what provisions have been made for fall-out. This is now between IRB and the subjects, if none were made and IRB signed off on it (at least, that's how I see it).

  57. Re:The More Attention This Gets, The Better by rectifier · · Score: 1

    trust me, the human subjects committe is not a bunch of idiots. I used to administer phone surveys that they had to approve since we were an IU affiliate and we would often have to run test after test of our surveys and constantly make changes to get approval from the HSC

  58. Too easy? by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 4, Funny

    I notice that a lot of the complainants have posted their e-mail addresses in the blog to try to get together to organize action...

    Dear concerned student:
    I am a close friend writing to you about your recent experience with a phishing study in which deception was used. I have met with an attorney on this issue who is interested in pursuing a class action lawsuit on behalf of the victims of this study. To participate, please click the link below and provide the following personal information...

  59. Re:How legal is this... my spin on it all by swv3752 · · Score: 1

    The Human Subjects Committee may be investigated, but the Prof, andstudents are in the clear. they followed proper procedures and got authorization from a higher Authority.

    I mean really, if you have a new drug that you want to test on Humans, and the FDA approves the trial, who is at fault if there are some negative consequences? This assumes that you did not lie to get the approval.

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    Just a Tuna in the Sea of Life
  60. Re:The More Attention This Gets, The Better by bani · · Score: 0, Redundant

    You obviously didn't rtfa. They did

  61. Actually they did. (from an IU employee) by kismaty · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, they did phish a few tech-savvy people here, and we did attempt to point them to the authorities. The "authorities" ignored us because they were playing along with the scam the whole time. Thursday, one of my co-workers at the IU campus helpdesk got the email and dismissed it after telling us it might be a potential source of many irate callers later on in the day. And so it was. I got a caller to send us the full headers of the message that appeared to be from his girlfriend. What do you know? The headers clearly showed the message was originating from whuffo@iu.edu! So, with our limited helpdesk lookup tools, I found that whuffo@iu.edu was indeed a valid e-mail account, but it was registered as a departmental account and we could not see who personally created the account. I wanted to get to the bottom of this so I went ahead and looked at the link in the email that it wants users to click on. What do you know? It redirects to a site called www.whuffo.com before asking for the user's credentials! While my co-workers were bitching about it, I decided to do some detective work (Not sure why my co-workers, normally very competent at problem solving skills, didn't think of this). I looked up the whois info on whuffo.com and what do you know? The domain is registered to Professor Markus Jakobssen, of the IU Informatics Department! So who's this Markus guy? I found his IU websites. And one of his research interests is 'phishing.' Hmmm. I take a look at the upper level classes he teaches. What do you know? His powerpoint lecture for I400 for this week is all about HOW TO PULL OFF A PHISHING SCAM. Wow, what's the connection here? Meanwhile, the helpdesk had made this an escalated incident and turned it over to the IT security office. We get a message back (from Tom Jagatic of the IT policy office) saying they are "mitigating the effects of the issue." I had to go look up mitigating in the dictionary before I realized this wasn't a typical response from ITSO. Normally they'd jump on something like this and put a stop to the emails right away. Giving ITSO the benefit of the doubt, I decide to use my new clues on who might be doing this. With this information in hand, I shot off an e-mail to Tom J. and ITSO and the whole rest of the day, I get no response at all. We continue taking calls from confused users and ask them all to change their passwords as it's all we can really tell them to do at this point. I go home and check all fucking weekend, and believe me I was watching all our e-mail accounts like a hawk. No response from Tom Jagatic or the IT security office. So on Monday I'm back at work and I check my mail to find that the whole scam has been put out in the open. In our email there were copies of several mass-emailed apologies to the users who got the phishy message, the users whose identities were spoofed, and to the support center and helpdesk staff. All these messages contained was an explanation of the "experiment" (which you can read in any news story about it) and their "sincere apologies." The rest is history. The blog that Tom and Markus setup, where people are commenting, has got lots of angry people angry at themselves for being duped. That's not why I'm angry. All I want from Tom and ITSO is an actual sincere apology for all the work and extra detective skills I/we put into trying to find the perpetrator, since at the time we weren't in on their little plan. No one seems to understand that in any other circumstance, if this were a real security threat, we'd all be getting pats on the back and compliments for figuring out who was behind it before ITSO did (as that's their job, normally.) But, no, since Tom, Markus, ITPO, and ITSO were all in on it, we just get a mitigated effort at an apology from those guys.

    1. Re:Actually they did. (from an IU employee) by ePhil_One · · Score: 1
      we just get a mitigated effort at an apology from those guys.

      I'd feel sorrier for you if you had the technical skills to insert line breaks into your story.

      My eyes hurt now %)

      --
      You are in a maze of twisted little posts, all alike.
    2. Re:Actually they did. (from an IU employee) by kismaty · · Score: 1

      Welcome to my reply to your reply to my first ever post on slashdot. I have now learned about formatting options. I am not really an IT person. The end.

    3. Re:Actually they did. (from an IU employee) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Email headers and a whois lookup. So much detective work involved there you must have been quite tired after all that!

    4. Re:Actually they did. (from an IU employee) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they didn't tell you, because it's not your job at all. You do realize that you wouldn't have beaten ITSO right? Unlike the $8-9 hourly pay for people with random liberal arts degrees that IU help desk is, ITSO has people that are actually intelligent working for them. Here's some news that will probably make you even happier, UITS paid helpdesk workers 30% more last year than they do this year, enjoy.

      The extra work it cost you? Your job is to pick up the phone! Oh yeah, you probably answer questions at a desk in the library too. If you're one of the smarter ones they might actually let you work on carry-in, aka reinstall windows XP 100's of times over and over again. Patting yourself on the back for solving this may be the most pathetic thing I've ever read in my life, the whole point of the study was that it is very simple to do, and easy to see through the scam (and yet people still fall for it). But yeah you're so smart, better get back to helping people at IUPUI figure out how to use dial up in windows ME, enjoy.

  62. NOT illegal by JonahTDB · · Score: 1
    Because of the ethical issues associated with deception, Jagatic and Johnson had to obtain permission from the Human Subjects Committee, which approves experiments on campus that involve humans and ensures studies are ethical and do not violate participants' privacy
    These guys were given permission to do the study by the Human Subjects Committee. What they did WAS legal, and they CANNOT be prosecuted for it.

    You might say that the Committee did something wrong, but not the students.
    1. Re:NOT illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is a badly retarded argument. If you give me permission to kill someone, and I kill him/her, am I not liable? (Yes, there is also the issue of network/account usage and permissions in this case. However, you can't tell me that a person's usage of a university network gives the network's administrators the right to spoof their identity. How upset would you be if someone took over your personal telephone -- assuming it's a campus line -- to conduct a "study" without your knowledge?)

    2. Re:NOT illegal by idlemachine · · Score: 1
      That is a badly retarded argument. If you give me permission to kill someone, and I kill him/her, am I not liable?

      Like during wartime, you mean?

      What I find retarded is how idiots like you get your panties in a knot over 'morally outrageous' situations like, say, university research, when there are actual issues out there being constantly ignored.

  63. Re:The More Attention This Gets, The Better by bani · · Score: 1

    I think it's pretty clear to everyone that these students didn't follow proper procedure for research studies. When I did human experimental research, I had to have my research proposal approved by the Institutional Review Board at my college.

    You obviously didn't rtfa. they did have explicit approval.

  64. Story from an IU employee by kismaty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I feel like fueling the fire.

    Thursday, one of my co-workers at the IU campus helpdesk got the email and dismissed it after telling us it might be a potential source of many irate callers later on in the day.

    And so it was. I got a caller to send us the full headers of the message that appeared to be from his girlfriend. What do you know? The headers clearly showed the message was originating from whuffo@iu.edu!

    So, with our limited helpdesk lookup tools, I found that whuffo@iu.edu was indeed a valid e-mail account, but it was registered as a departmental account and we could not see who personally created the account.

    I wanted to get to the bottom of this so I went ahead and looked at the link in the email that it wants users to click on. What do you know? It redirects to a site called www.whuffo.com before asking for the user's credentials!

    While my co-workers were bitching about it, I decided to do some detective work (Not sure why my co-workers, normally very competent at problem solving skills, didn't think of this). I looked up the whois info on whuffo.com and what do you know? The domain is registered to Professor Markus Jakobssen, of the IU Informatics Department!

    So who's this Markus guy? I found his IU websites. And one of his research interests is 'phishing.' Hmmm. I take a look at the upper level classes he teaches. What do you know? His powerpoint lecture for I400 for this week is all about HOW TO PULL OFF A PHISHING SCAM. Wow, what's the connection here?

    Meanwhile, the helpdesk had made this an escalated incident and turned it over to the IT security office. We get a message back (from Tom Jagatic of the IT policy office) saying they are "mitigating the effects of the issue." I had to go look up mitigating in the dictionary before I realized this wasn't a typical response from ITSO. Normally they'd jump on something like this and put a stop to the emails right away.

    Giving ITSO the benefit of the doubt, I decide to use my new clues on who might be doing this. With this information in hand, I shot off an e-mail to Tom J. and ITSO and the whole rest of the day, I get no response at all. We continue taking calls from confused users and ask them all to change their passwords as it's all we can really tell them to do at this point.

    I go home and check all fucking weekend, and believe me I was watching all our e-mail accounts like a hawk. No response from Tom Jagatic or the IT security office.

    So on Monday I'm back at work and I check my mail to find that the whole scam has been put out in the open. In our email there were copies of several mass-emailed apologies to the users who got the phishy message, the users whose identities were spoofed, and to the support center and helpdesk staff. All these messages contained was an explanation of the "experiment" (which you can read in any news story about it) and their "sincere apologies."

    The rest is history. The blog that Tom and Markus setup, where people are commenting, has got lots of angry people angry at themselves for being duped. That's not why I'm angry.

    All I want from Tom and ITSO is an actual sincere apology for all the work and extra detective skills I/we put into trying to find the perpetrator, since at the time we weren't in on their little plan. No one seems to understand that in any other circumstance, if this were a real security threat, we'd all be getting pats on the back and compliments for figuring out who was behind it before ITSO did (as that's their job, normally.) But, no, since Tom, Markus, ITPO, and ITSO were all in on it, we just get a 'mitigated' effort at an apology from those guys.

    1. Re:Story from an IU employee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I want from Tom and ITSO is an actual sincere apology for all the work and extra detective skills I/we put into trying to find the perpetrator, since at the time we weren't in on their little plan.



      Keep those detective skills sharp, because this is going ot get a LOT worse as the years go by.. and it won't be "ha ha just doing a study LOL", it'll be Real Live Criminals(tm).

    2. Re:Story from an IU employee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "All I want from Tom and ITSO is an actual sincere apology for all the work and extra detective skills I/we put into trying to find the perpetrator, since at the time we weren't in on their little plan."

      An apology for doing something that isn't your job ? Unlikely.

      If your school has a Security Office, I'd guess doing detective work is their job. Sounds like you should worry about your own job. Isn't there a phone ringing ?

  65. Isn't this illegal? by e_lehman · · Score: 1

    Isn't this illegal? I thought that research on human subjects-- even psychological research like this-- required consent.

    I don't *know* that, but I've heard people moan about the bureaucratic requirements for doing research involving human subjects in the past.

    1. Re:Isn't this illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Requiring consent for research in certain situations seems a little unfeasable and obviously render some experiments useless. If you are performing an experiment in the public and on the public [not necessarily what was done at the school], would it be illegal to do so without their consent? Like if you were doing a psychology experiment and approach strangers with questions to see what they say etc. Or like some of those candid camera shows where a "perpetrator" [in on the joke] knocks over an "old lady" [actor in disguise] and then people's reactions are taped.

    2. Re:Isn't this illegal? by e_lehman · · Score: 1

      Oh, heh... an answer to my question, brought by the magic of RTFA. :-)

      Because of the ethical issues associated with deception, Jagatic and Johnson had to obtain permission from the Human Subjects Committee, which approves experiments on campus that involve humans and ensures studies are ethical and do not violate participants' privacy.

    3. Re:Isn't this illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Consent of the Human Subjects Committee does not make this action legal. They are now partially liable, but they certainly don't have the authority to give permission for such a "study." Eh, I already made this comment in another one of my AC posts, but if some committee (at IU, for instance) gives me permission to kill someone, and I kill that person, am I not liable?

  66. hello McFly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anonymous Says:
    April 25th, 2005 at 6:33 pm

    The only problem I have with this is that I don't think it effectively teaches users how to identify a phishing scam. Most of the scams people fall for are spoofed emails from Ebay, Paypal, and various banks asking the user to confirm their account information.


    Well, did you fall for it? Yes? There! You learned something! Congratulations!

    The purpose of education is to give you a background of basic information to apply to real life. We're not here to spoon-feed you. User input (read: thought) should be required. Sure, you might be able to get by in life following the crowd, but it isn't likely to be the most interesting.

  67. What are the solutions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We always hear about phishing attacks and how easy they are to pull off. But, what can a web admin do to prevent them or at least try and protect their user base?

    1. Re:What are the solutions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work for a large bank and we have been reviewing a product called http://www.isblanket.com/services/online/acutrust/ ACUTrust (the web sight does not have much information, but the sales guy said they would have a live demo with in the next week). The product uses a self-decrypting graphical token to provided two-way authentication for the website. If a Phishing email leads users to a fake website, then the token with either not be there, or will not be able to work correctly. Nothing is a silver bullet, but this product looks like the only thing on the market that can really address the problem of website authentication and it's vulnerability to Phishing.

  68. Re:Mod up parent by modemboy · · Score: 1

    Oh come on, quit complaining. As an ex university helpdesk employee all I can say be proud you figured it out so easily, don't worry they noticed. Good posting though.

  69. Spoofing is only legal if a spammer does it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If anyone else does it, then it is fraud.

  70. Re:No joke by symbolic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is truly astonishing what is publicly available. We should all be more careful about what we let others know about us,

    He makes this extremely good point some ways into the article. People are so gullilble. They're like Pavlov's dogs who salivate every time they see or hear the word "free", or come across anything that has some kind of "deal" attached to it. After the "I got something for free" rush wears off, the actual cost can be quite substantial.

    I've managed to confound some people at a local specialty store- three times now they've offered me the opportunity to fill out a "deal" card, where they track your purchases. After a certain number, you get a small quantity of the same product for free. I've declined every time. It's just not worth it.

  71. What I do.. by bmantz65 · · Score: 1

    Sometimes I'll click on those links to "update my eBay" account and give them fake info for shiats and giggles. For example, supplying Bill Gates and a Visa card with a fake bank number.

  72. Social Utility of the study by patio11 · · Score: 1
    The social utility of the study is recognition that certain types of "publicly available" information really bloody shouldn't be. For example, on facebook to protect privacy they block my access to people at schools other than my alma mater who have not "opted in" as my friends. I can't see their sex, their major, their dorm room number (if they're silly enough to put that in -- honestly, what possible good is that going to do), their political leanings, or their hobbies. But I can see their name, school, photo, and graduation year (for the purposes of finding friends). And, whoops, I can walk their friends lists.

    This study argues in the strongest possible way that that design decision is a security risk. So if you go to facebook without this study and say "Hey guys, love the site, but I think the friends lists are abusable" and they say "They're pretty secure, people know who friends are in real life anyhow, there is no damage if the information is disclosed, and we think the remote possibility of abuse is outweighed by the benefit to our members", what do you do? Say "Alright, here is a proof-of-concept exploit which is empirically demonstrated to be a gaping security hole". Now, why do this without asking facebook first? Because there are hundreds of social networking sites out there and EVERY ONE which exposes relationship information to the outside world has the same design flaw. This adds to the public recognition that that flaw is actually a flaw, much like academic research has demonstrated that, say, web systems which rely on hash tables should salt their hashes or they can be DOSed by a single dialup modem producing intentional collisions and getting worst-case performance from the table. Now THATS socially valuable research.

    This is completely aside from other valuable insights gained from the study in terms of human psychology and man-machine interfaces.

    1. Re:Social Utility of the study by javaxman · · Score: 1
      I actually strongly agree with you in a way. Except one thing. I think it's _obvious_ that facebook and similar "these are my friends" things are exploitable. Thus, demonstrating their exploitablility and quantifying it is of dubious use.

      But maybe I only *think* it's obvious. If there's some idiot out there saying "disclosing this information isn't dangerous", then, well... then you're right. Those people need to be shown they're wrong. Still, I'm not sure ( since profit motive is probably involved ) that they'll care.

  73. as a purdue grad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    let me say "ha ha"

    lots of research in social science is based on deception or misdirection. they would screen us at purdue with tests that had nothing to do with the study.

    i wish i could remember some of those tests, but right now a friend wants me to sign into something.

  74. Re:No joke by tomhudson · · Score: 1
    People are so gullilble. They're like Pavlov's dogs who salivate every time they see or hear the word "free",
    And then there's the orthogonal cases, like if I were to make a link saying DO NOT CLICK HERE , Just like a sign saying "Do not look into this hole" or "Don't press that button".

    Congrats on not taking their "deal/fidelity/loyalty card". I hate those things. Just lower the price. It's as bad as those stupid mail-in rebates.

  75. Reverse Phishing by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

    Here is a story that I heard from a friend of a friend...

    Some of you may recall that Redhat made a "Friends & Family" offer for 100 IPO shares to each person listed in the credits section of the linux kernel README file.

    Apparently, anyone residing outside of the USA was not elligible for this offer. So, an enterprising (devious?) fellow went through the list of foreign email addresses in the credits file that were dead - i.e. bouncing any incoming message and impersonated them with freemail accounts - for example if JohanJones@stutgart.de was listed and his address was bouncing this guy created a JohanJones@hotmail.com and told etrade (the broker handling the friends and family offer) that he was the guy behind that address (even though his real name did not match the "name" of the email address).

    Apparently he was able to acquire over a thousand shares at pre-IPO prices that way, and flipped them all somewhere over $90 each. At least so goes the story. I've got no proof, but at least it sounds good.

    And if it is true, it might just qualify as the first reverse-phishing exploit where a regular guy fooled a big bank (etrade) into thinking he was some other regular guy(s) based on phony but plausible email addresses.

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  76. Re:The More Attention This Gets, The Better by fishbowl · · Score: 1

    "That's precisely what they did. The whole thing was authorized from top to bottom."

    What's amusing is that the value assumption seems to be that the results could have been dismissed on the basis of authority, regardless of repeatability, falsifiability, documentation, testability, etc.

    The ethical and bureaucratic considerations are a separate issue from the research goals and the scientific method.

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  77. What is Fraud? by MAdMaxOr · · Score: 1

    Fraud is generally defined in the law as an intentional misrepresentation of material existing fact made by one person to another with knowledge of its falsity and for the purpose of inducing the other person to act, and upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage. reference

    I would think that in order for this to be illegal, univerity oversight and any special rules notwithstanding, a phishee would simply have to show damage, if in fact any damage exists.

  78. Jesus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You guys are fucking idiots. I couldn't possibly begin to respond to all the stupid posts I've seen so far. You guys would be better of locking yourself in whatever IT space you have and never ever leave it. God forbid some other human being has to look upon your rat asses.

  79. False use of names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Deceiving innocent people into disclosing personal information was bad enough. It might be justifiable for research, even though it can make people feel quite violated. (At the very least, some sort of compensation should have been offered.)

    However, the study also falsely used innocent people's names, in forging the sending addresses. That is not justifiable. It is lying, and it libels the victims. Furthermore, the study could have been conducted without doing this, by contacting candidates and asking permission to use their names while swearing them to secrecy. Those who agreed to participate could have been given assistance in explaining the study to the email recipients after the study, and anybody the recipients could have been expected to contact, such as IT support departments, could have been briefed.

  80. Uh, Isn't Reverse Phishing called Identity Theft? by PurplePhase · · Score: 1

    8-PP

  81. It's not that easy by mordejai · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Granted, you have to be a little stupid to actually enter your name/pwd in a site just because you received an e-mail.

    But what about pranks?
    It's easy to create an email that looks legitimate and send it as another person... You only need your regular email software. Even more if you actually know both people.

    For example, when I was studying (4 years ago), we used to email with some teachers.
    One guy sent a mail to another, posing as the teacher, telling him his test or assignment (I don't remember) was bad.

    Not everybody has the time to check mail headers and verify the identity of the sender (and even that can be spoofed). Until we move to an all-signed email world, we're stuck with this.

  82. The funniest part was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the complaints that these so-called "victims" were levying against the researchers for making them look dumb, when it is they who are at fault for actually providing the personal information in the first place.