I know the plural of 'anecdote' isn't 'data' so I guess I can only say that I haven't seen quite as many problems with recycling as you. Perhaps that's because in my old home town the concrete business was the mob's racket, not trash, I dunno.
And I hadn't thought of the electronics recycling issue. You're right, I've seen actual researched articles about that. I'm lucky where I live now that I can go and see the municipal-owned electronics disassembly and recycling center in operation. Most people wouldn't, but I volunteer at a Not-For-Profit building materials re-use store and we end up taking stuff to the city (and scrap buyers) when we have un-reusable stock, hazardous waste, etc. So I see more trash than I ever thought I would. If a person didn't have that opportunity, you'd kinda have to do some due diligence when picking an e-waste disposer -- and even then you might not be sure. I'd like to see these businesses be required to accurately disclose this info.
When it becomes naturally profitable to recycle people will do so themselves. Right now I don't throw away aluminum, stainless steel, brass, copper, lead, steel, some types of glass and several plastics plus newspapers. I use the glass, plastic and newspapers myself. I've found two places that will compete for the stainless, copper, lead and brass which I happen to come across and make my collection and transport costs worthwhile. The steel and aluminum go to another salvager which is reasonably close and pays well. I do this for my own benefit and will keep doing it regardless of the states insistence I line their pockets.
Is it excessive regulation? Is your trash hauler offering you an "all you can dump" service? If so, are you paying more than you need to be paying for the amount of trash you generate? Or is it provided by the locality, and you are counting on other citizens to subsidize your trash load, or vice versa? Maybe you pay by the ton when you tip at the dump, or perhaps you have a choice of can sizes for different prices.
But if you want to go to the trouble to sell your recyclables elsewhere as you do, knock yourself out. Perhaps other people don't have the time or facilities to do like you do, so they can throw out theirs in the recycle bin for convenience. Either way, in TFA, no one's being forced to "line their pockets". The trash inspector wouldn't find any recyclables in the trash bin in either case, right?
It seems you are creating oppression and compulsion where none exists, w.r.t. forcing citizens to hand over their recyclable material. If someone wants to be the crazy yogurt cup lady and fill her house with plastic tubs until they fall over and smother her, so be it. Until the neighbors complain about the smell from the rotting body. Then I guess she'll suffer the indignity of forced burial. Again.
I'm sure the recycling companies make money, but that's easy if you push costs off on someone else.
What business wouldn't be more profitable if it could "push costs off on someone else"? But I'd also like an example of a cost that a recycling company externalizes. Unless they have no competition, they'd have to pay the municipality the market rate for the recyclables. Perhaps some materials cost more to recycle than they are worth as an end product, but again you can't charge more than the market rate for that service. Is the "free market" busted in this case? Are barriers to entry for recyclers too high? Is there a cartel or price fixing going on?
Waste generating is a far riper area for externalizing costs than recycling, I'd think.
So we are forced to GIVE you our property so that you can sell it for profit? Why aren't you paying us?
That doesn't follow at all.
I don't agree with Cleveland's approach, but your statement is silly and ignores the facts.
If you wish to get paid for your recyclable trash, take it to a recycler yourself. No one will find any recyclables in your trash if you've taken them away yourself and sold the aluminum, paper and whatever else of value you can. There is no implication in TFA that residents are forced to give their recyclables to the city, just that they put them in the recycle bins not the trash if they leave them out.
On the other hand, if you don't want to have the trouble of taking all your recycling away yourself, then the city will come and get it for you. You don't get paid for them, but you also don't have to spend your time and gas taking them somewhere yourself.
But one thing I've never done, never seen done, and never heard of being done is providing plants with extra CO2 to enhance their size, productivity or other properties.
It's commonly done in the pot growing community. Small to large amounts of extra CO2 gives faster growth and better tolerance of higher temperatures.
That's pretty funny, because while I was typing my earlier post, I was actually imagining stoners sitting around in a basement under grow lights exhaling on their plants, saying something in a Tommy Chong (or maybe Sean Penn) voice: "like, the CO2 is good for the them, man".
Wait. Carbon Dioxide. Isn't that the gas that is needed by plants to produce oxygen. Isn't that the gas produced by every mammal on planet earth. ISN'T THAT THE SHIT I BREATH OUT! Fuck I hate, hate, HATE these fucking law making, climate change mother fuckers!
Although I have no idea if you're kidding or not, I've heard the CO2 is good for plants hypothesis/idea/argument/whatever. Since plants need CO2, then with increased CO2 in the atmosphere, plants will thrive.
And that sounded reasonable for a minute. Plants do need CO2.
But then I thought about that some more. I have an ornamental garden and a vegetable garden. I know other people who do too. There are farmers in my family. And CO2 is not the only thing plants need to survive and thrive. They need the right climate. The right amount of sunlight. A long enough growing season. Proper soil density and nutrients. Enough water, not too much, and at the proper times.
And I've done or seen done all of these things: Adding fertilizer or other soil amendments like sand, moss, humus, etc. Irrigating. Modifying drainage. Draining wet sites. Selecting sites for proper light or shade. Providing shade with man-made objects or other plants. Selecting plants suited for the local climate. Greenhouses and coldframes to extend the season. Even locating "micro-climates" that are a little more suitable to the plant in question, e.g. next to a concrete or stone structure to keep it warmer than the surrounding areas. Providing windbreaks. Covering plants to extend life past frosts that would otherwise interrupt the growing season.
But one thing I've never done, never seen done, and never heard of being done is providing plants with extra CO2 to enhance their size, productivity or other properties. And it's not like it's impossible to do -- just burn something nearby. Stone age tech, right?
So while extra CO2 might possibly benefit some plant somewhere that was not getting enough, or allow other more CO2 hungry plants to survive, changes to the climate, seasons, rains and weather in general could do much more to disrupt agriculture than the extra CO2 could possibly help.
Seriously, wasn't Putin saying something a few years ago that he would welcome global warming, inasmuch as Russia would benefit due to longer growing seasons, more tractable land, etc.?
If you don't need the storage as much as you need the always-on/low power processing, you can get a WRT54-based router that can be relfashed with Tomato or DD-WRT, then you can install optware. The Asus WL-500G has enough guts to run Asterisk while still doing its primary purpose. Or maybe a cvs, svn or other repository. All for maybe half the price of the Sheevaplug. And much more available. Of course, it doesn't have the wall wart form factor, for good or bad. And it's not quite as discreet, if that's a requirement.
Perhaps I'm a dissenting voice here, but I actually do listen to broadcast radio, and I would love it if my android-based smart phone had an FM tuner in it.
I have an older Sony-Ericsson phone with a built-in FM receiver. And it replaced another phone that also had an FM receiver. I have never listened to the FM receiver. Not once.
There are times when I don't have the music I want to listen to on the device, and I would tune in to either CBC 2 (classical music channel) or the local indy/alternative station.
And that's probably why I've never used mine. I don't have those choices here. Wanna trade phones? Or homes?
The lawyers are just being overzealous in this case.
God and Geek are not easily confused.
Squad is generic.
I don't think Father Luke has anything to worry about. If Best Buy pushes too hard -- or even if they don't -- Focus on the Family plus millions of "Dittoheads" and Fox News Channel viewers, etc. are gonna be screaming "Christian Persecution". It'll actually be good for business -- for the priest and the Christian-Right media in the US.
And the story, is inappropriately tagged with copyright when this is a trademark issue.
Is there a Slashdot-recognized "trademark" tag? I guess I could check -- yes, yes there is. Right you are.
GM got into some trouble when they named a Chevy a "Beretta". The armorer of the same name took them to court for cheapening the brand but the resulting out of court settlement was more symbolic than anything else. Perhaps the gun maker realized that it was bringing ridicule on itself when "Car and Driver" did a head-to-head comparison of the two Berettas, finding a pistol had better acceleration, but the coupe had more passenger room.
It's most likely the water chemistry. Most North American water systems are saturated with minerals and various biological agents. Now I know some scrotum employed by the water dept. is going broadcast his/her displeasure with my comments. I can hear it now... "No... umm... uhh... dats not tru. Ummm... err... uh.... NO." Put a TDS meter under your kitchen tap and see for yourself. And that's just for starters.
I noticed that too. I first became aware of it, during the physical act of love...Yes, a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred. Women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women,...but I do deny them my essence.
I should add, upon viewing the attached video, that I would under no circumstances purchase a beverage named "Pocari Sweat". Even if I knew what a "Pocari" was.
This isn't really that different from the case of push-button locks that are subject to "wear attacks", is it? You know, just check to see which of the 5 or so buttons are most worn/polished/dirty. If it's 3 of them, you've only got to try 6 permutations -- maximum -- to open it. Worked fine in my wife's hospital room for the locked supply drawer. Two tries. All the bandaids and gauze I wanted.
I'd say this case is much harder to fix than the touchscreen, given the "randomize" suggestion above. Sure it's a little bit of a pain, but not that bad if security is actually important.
I've been an editor (copy editor, proofreader, senior editor, etc.) for 10 years now. One space.
Why stop there? Really. Is even one space really needed? Doesn't a period, question mark or exclamation point denote the end of a sentence. Why go all redundant and put a space in at all . . .
Oops, I guess an ellipsis can end a sentence too.
I'm not being snarky here. But I am thinking that the answer to the question "Why not zero spaces?" would be "Because that would make it harder to read".
WTF is the reason for 2? Your eyes so poor you cant see the delineation?
They are, you insensitive clod. Besides, when I'm reading I'd rather spend my effort on comprehension and reflection, rather than trying to puzzle over where a sentence ends. Sure I can do it, but why would you make me? If we can make that easier for people with 2 spaces instead of one, why wouldn't we? To save disk space? Why not just convert the colons to semicolons to make up the storage cost?
I had my first millimeter wave radar scan at the Denver airport when traveling last weekend. I thought it was rather interesting, but wasn't impressed by their insistence that I had something in my pockets, until I turned them inside out to show they were empty.
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Known bogus accusations are standard cop-tricks to get you to confess to something, throw you off guard or make you reveal something.
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I know the plural of 'anecdote' isn't 'data' so I guess I can only say that I haven't seen quite as many problems with recycling as you. Perhaps that's because in my old home town the concrete business was the mob's racket, not trash, I dunno.
And I hadn't thought of the electronics recycling issue. You're right, I've seen actual researched articles about that. I'm lucky where I live now that I can go and see the municipal-owned electronics disassembly and recycling center in operation. Most people wouldn't, but I volunteer at a Not-For-Profit building materials re-use store and we end up taking stuff to the city (and scrap buyers) when we have un-reusable stock, hazardous waste, etc. So I see more trash than I ever thought I would. If a person didn't have that opportunity, you'd kinda have to do some due diligence when picking an e-waste disposer -- and even then you might not be sure. I'd like to see these businesses be required to accurately disclose this info.
Day by day we march towards complete and total Orwellian overwatch.
LOL. The mods did see the humor in your sarcasm. Sorry, that is the risk we take.
Alles in ordnung
Excessive regulation http://www.freedomworks.org/publications/the-danger-of-over-regulation
When it becomes naturally profitable to recycle people will do so themselves. Right now I don't throw away aluminum, stainless steel, brass, copper, lead, steel, some types of glass and several plastics plus newspapers. I use the glass, plastic and newspapers myself. I've found two places that will compete for the stainless, copper, lead and brass which I happen to come across and make my collection and transport costs worthwhile. The steel and aluminum go to another salvager which is reasonably close and pays well. I do this for my own benefit and will keep doing it regardless of the states insistence I line their pockets.
Is it excessive regulation? Is your trash hauler offering you an "all you can dump" service? If so, are you paying more than you need to be paying for the amount of trash you generate? Or is it provided by the locality, and you are counting on other citizens to subsidize your trash load, or vice versa? Maybe you pay by the ton when you tip at the dump, or perhaps you have a choice of can sizes for different prices.
But if you want to go to the trouble to sell your recyclables elsewhere as you do, knock yourself out. Perhaps other people don't have the time or facilities to do like you do, so they can throw out theirs in the recycle bin for convenience. Either way, in TFA, no one's being forced to "line their pockets". The trash inspector wouldn't find any recyclables in the trash bin in either case, right?
It seems you are creating oppression and compulsion where none exists, w.r.t. forcing citizens to hand over their recyclable material. If someone wants to be the crazy yogurt cup lady and fill her house with plastic tubs until they fall over and smother her, so be it. Until the neighbors complain about the smell from the rotting body. Then I guess she'll suffer the indignity of forced burial. Again.
I'm sure the recycling companies make money, but that's easy if you push costs off on someone else.
What business wouldn't be more profitable if it could "push costs off on someone else"? But I'd also like an example of a cost that a recycling company externalizes. Unless they have no competition, they'd have to pay the municipality the market rate for the recyclables. Perhaps some materials cost more to recycle than they are worth as an end product, but again you can't charge more than the market rate for that service. Is the "free market" busted in this case? Are barriers to entry for recyclers too high? Is there a cartel or price fixing going on?
Waste generating is a far riper area for externalizing costs than recycling, I'd think.
So we are forced to GIVE you our property so that you can sell it for profit? Why aren't you paying us?
That doesn't follow at all.
I don't agree with Cleveland's approach, but your statement is silly and ignores the facts.
If you wish to get paid for your recyclable trash, take it to a recycler yourself. No one will find any recyclables in your trash if you've taken them away yourself and sold the aluminum, paper and whatever else of value you can. There is no implication in TFA that residents are forced to give their recyclables to the city, just that they put them in the recycle bins not the trash if they leave them out.
On the other hand, if you don't want to have the trouble of taking all your recycling away yourself, then the city will come and get it for you. You don't get paid for them, but you also don't have to spend your time and gas taking them somewhere yourself.
I couldn't care less (yes, that is the correct way to use that phrase - its "couldn't" not "could")
Phrase it any way you want to, I could care less.
But one thing I've never done, never seen done, and never heard of being done is providing plants with extra CO2 to enhance their size, productivity or other properties.
It's commonly done in the pot growing community. Small to large amounts of extra CO2 gives faster growth and better tolerance of higher temperatures.
That's pretty funny, because while I was typing my earlier post, I was actually imagining stoners sitting around in a basement under grow lights exhaling on their plants, saying something in a Tommy Chong (or maybe Sean Penn) voice: "like, the CO2 is good for the them, man".
Wait. Carbon Dioxide. Isn't that the gas that is needed by plants to produce oxygen. Isn't that the gas produced by every mammal on planet earth. ISN'T THAT THE SHIT I BREATH OUT! Fuck I hate, hate, HATE these fucking law making, climate change mother fuckers!
Although I have no idea if you're kidding or not, I've heard the CO2 is good for plants hypothesis/idea/argument/whatever. Since plants need CO2, then with increased CO2 in the atmosphere, plants will thrive.
And that sounded reasonable for a minute. Plants do need CO2.
But then I thought about that some more. I have an ornamental garden and a vegetable garden. I know other people who do too. There are farmers in my family. And CO2 is not the only thing plants need to survive and thrive. They need the right climate. The right amount of sunlight. A long enough growing season. Proper soil density and nutrients. Enough water, not too much, and at the proper times.
And I've done or seen done all of these things: Adding fertilizer or other soil amendments like sand, moss, humus, etc. Irrigating. Modifying drainage. Draining wet sites. Selecting sites for proper light or shade. Providing shade with man-made objects or other plants. Selecting plants suited for the local climate. Greenhouses and coldframes to extend the season. Even locating "micro-climates" that are a little more suitable to the plant in question, e.g. next to a concrete or stone structure to keep it warmer than the surrounding areas. Providing windbreaks. Covering plants to extend life past frosts that would otherwise interrupt the growing season.
But one thing I've never done, never seen done, and never heard of being done is providing plants with extra CO2 to enhance their size, productivity or other properties. And it's not like it's impossible to do -- just burn something nearby. Stone age tech, right?
So while extra CO2 might possibly benefit some plant somewhere that was not getting enough, or allow other more CO2 hungry plants to survive, changes to the climate, seasons, rains and weather in general could do much more to disrupt agriculture than the extra CO2 could possibly help.
Seriously, wasn't Putin saying something a few years ago that he would welcome global warming, inasmuch as Russia would benefit due to longer growing seasons, more tractable land, etc.?
Here we go: 'Putin pointed out that "an increase of two or three degrees wouldn't be so bad for a northern country like Russia. We could spend less on fur coats, and the grain harvest would go up".'
According to the article, there was some disagreement if this was just snarky or held a "grain" of truth.
Plug computers are widely overrated. For the same price you can get a cheap home oriented NAS box like http://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?pid=11384 with 1TB of storage that can be reflashed http://lacie.nas-central.org/wiki/Main_Page to do whatever you want.
If you don't need the storage as much as you need the always-on/low power processing, you can get a WRT54-based router that can be relfashed with Tomato or DD-WRT, then you can install optware. The Asus WL-500G has enough guts to run Asterisk while still doing its primary purpose. Or maybe a cvs, svn or other repository. All for maybe half the price of the Sheevaplug. And much more available. Of course, it doesn't have the wall wart form factor, for good or bad. And it's not quite as discreet, if that's a requirement.
Perhaps I'm a dissenting voice here, but I actually do listen to broadcast radio, and I would love it if my android-based smart phone had an FM tuner in it.
I have an older Sony-Ericsson phone with a built-in FM receiver. And it replaced another phone that also had an FM receiver. I have never listened to the FM receiver. Not once.
There are times when I don't have the music I want to listen to on the device, and I would tune in to either CBC 2 (classical music channel) or the local indy/alternative station.
And that's probably why I've never used mine. I don't have those choices here. Wanna trade phones? Or homes?
So, as a bisexual I am uniquely suited to compromise this persons account.
And twice as likely to find a date, according to Woody Allen.
The lawyers are just being overzealous in this case.
God and Geek are not easily confused.
Squad is generic.
I don't think Father Luke has anything to worry about. If Best Buy pushes too hard -- or even if they don't -- Focus on the Family plus millions of "Dittoheads" and Fox News Channel viewers, etc. are gonna be screaming "Christian Persecution". It'll actually be good for business -- for the priest and the Christian-Right media in the US.
And the story, is inappropriately tagged with copyright when this is a trademark issue.
Is there a Slashdot-recognized "trademark" tag? I guess I could check -- yes, yes there is. Right you are.
GM got into some trouble when they named a Chevy a "Beretta". The armorer of the same name took them to court for cheapening the brand but the resulting out of court settlement was more symbolic than anything else. Perhaps the gun maker realized that it was bringing ridicule on itself when "Car and Driver" did a head-to-head comparison of the two Berettas, finding a pistol had better acceleration, but the coupe had more passenger room.
It's most likely the water chemistry. Most North American water systems are saturated with minerals and various biological agents. Now I know some scrotum employed by the water dept. is going broadcast his/her displeasure with my comments. I can hear it now ... "No ... umm... uhh... dats not tru. Ummm ... err... uh .... NO." Put a TDS meter under your kitchen tap and see for yourself. And that's just for starters.
I noticed that too. I first became aware of it, during the physical act of love...Yes, a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred. Women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, ...but I do deny them my essence.
Disgusting. You people are obsessed with sex.
Snotty recompiled my kernel twice last night.
I should add, upon viewing the attached video, that I would under no circumstances purchase a beverage named "Pocari Sweat". Even if I knew what a "Pocari" was.
Unless this technology can tell the machine just by sensing me that I want a martini, it's worthless. But that's just my 2 bits.
This isn't really that different from the case of push-button locks that are subject to "wear attacks", is it? You know, just check to see which of the 5 or so buttons are most worn/polished/dirty. If it's 3 of them, you've only got to try 6 permutations -- maximum -- to open it. Worked fine in my wife's hospital room for the locked supply drawer. Two tries. All the bandaids and gauze I wanted.
I'd say this case is much harder to fix than the touchscreen, given the "randomize" suggestion above. Sure it's a little bit of a pain, but not that bad if security is actually important.
...for those times when you need to clean your keyboard.
That's funny, but I had a case so big once that I stored the boxes all the add-on cards came in inside the case.
I suppose you could also "put your weed in there".
End of discussion.
Awesome.
Next topic: emacs or vi.
I've been an editor (copy editor, proofreader, senior editor, etc.) for 10 years now. One space.
Why stop there? Really. Is even one space really needed? Doesn't a period, question mark or exclamation point denote the end of a sentence. Why go all redundant and put a space in at all . . .
Oops, I guess an ellipsis can end a sentence too.
I'm not being snarky here. But I am thinking that the answer to the question "Why not zero spaces?" would be "Because that would make it harder to read".
WTF is the reason for 2? Your eyes so poor you cant see the delineation?
They are, you insensitive clod. Besides, when I'm reading I'd rather spend my effort on comprehension and reflection, rather than trying to puzzle over where a sentence ends. Sure I can do it, but why would you make me? If we can make that easier for people with 2 spaces instead of one, why wouldn't we? To save disk space? Why not just convert the colons to semicolons to make up the storage cost?
I'd rather go through a millimeter wave scanner at nightclubs than be pawed by the security goons.
I'd rather do neither.
I had my first millimeter wave radar scan at the Denver airport when traveling last weekend. I thought it was rather interesting, but wasn't impressed by their insistence that I had something in my pockets, until I turned them inside out to show they were empty.
Necron69
Known bogus accusations are standard cop-tricks to get you to confess to something, throw you off guard or make you reveal something.