Well, I personally wouldn't go so far as the unicorn bit, but perhaps you do get the gist.
I would point out that although in this case, I wasn't angry (and therefore your point is correct, irrespective of the location of your tongue), there is nonetheless a considerable semantic difference between 'rage' (his word) and 'anger' (your word). For whatever that's worth to you...
Sometimes, the proper response is just, "Fuck you." If that automatically denotes anger to you, without consideration of context (in this case, the rest of my post), I could see the logic of your conclusion. It would still be incorrect, but I could see how one, using that faulty premise, could come to it.
As for my original respondent, I have re-read Lumpy's diatribe, and I still conclude that the gist is that we Americans are not capable of adopting the metric system. I demur.
Hope this helps. In the most gentle, nay, euphoric, of moods, I remain
Sincerely,
Dave Kelsen
--
A good friend will come bail you out of jail, but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn... we fucked up!"
Americans are unwilling to adopt the metric system for a variety of reasons - many of which are not particularly sensible. But the notion that they're unable to do so is remarkably ignorant. Yet you use the term 'we' - pejoratively - in referring to Americans, giving the impression that you are one. That seems doubtful.
Either way, let me say again - fuck you.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"A man may fight for many things: his country, his principles, his friends, the glistening tear on the cheek of a golden child. But personally I'd mud-wrestle my own mother for a ton of cash, an amusing clock and a stack of french porn." -- The Black Adder
I find it difficult to believe that you know the vast majority of police officers. Come to think of it, I find it impossible to believe.
The police officers I have known have often been fine people. In addition to my personal experiences with police officers, my best friend was a police officer many years ago (I am in my 50's). He is a fine human being. And has told me many stories about 'tuning people up'. There's a lot more to it than you imagine.
Your opining about the vast majority of police officers is ignorant and offensive.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"Never forget what a man says to you when he is angry." -- Henry Ward Beecher
Hmmm. You do sound like what we computer programmers used to call 'coders'.
I started programming computers in 1978. Do you do any computer programming, or are you just a coder?
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
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"To have no thoughts and be able to express them - that's what makes a journalist." -- Karl Kraus
But the wonder of MCP on the Burroughs mainframes was that you didn't *have* to deal with assembler, and there was no JCL. Always superior, Burroughs died out when bought by Sperry in the mid-80's to facilitate landing/fulfilling the Air Force's Phase IV contract. Ah, those were the days.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
A good friend will come bail you out of jail, but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn... we fucked up!"
Absolutely correct; more to the point, the GP was pointing out that the SEC *knows* this. The declaration of the rule is for the benefit of CBS, not because the SEC wants it enforced.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
A good friend will come bail you out of jail, but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn... we fucked up!"
It seems to me that that is just the sort of 'loyalty'/fanaticism the phone companies want to engender; I think they should do just this - allow you to upgrade phones, while adding the time to your existing contract - with some sort of delimiter at the upper end, i.e. if the upgrade takes your commitment past 60 months, no go.
I'm sure you get this a lot, Dave, but I too am curious. Are you the Amiga guy?
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
All men are frauds. The only difference between them is that some admit it. I myself deny it.
Very reasonable and well-said. I don't have an answer, but you have echoed my own thoughts on the matter. My personal solution is this: I download what I want, and try it. If I like it or use it a good bit, I buy it - usually. If I don't like it, or don't use it much, I don't. That doesn't answer your question, of how we can make or keep 'artistic creation' something people can do.
If creative people have to spend all their time pursuing other tasks in order to pay the bills, at best we'll see only a small part of their potential.
It's a conundrum. I wish I had an answer, easy or otherwise.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
By the time they had diminished from 50 to 8, the other dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry'...
Well, so am I, but like the UN's, my edicts don't carry the weight of law. Sigh.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
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When Jesus was on the cross, to pass the time, did he pretend he was an airplane?
Like fruey, I have always had pop3 access via my free Yahoo account, and I have never paid for it. I don't know (now) how to set it up for a new Yahoo account. It seems they've changed some things.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." -- Satchel Paige
The question your question evokes is, "which American continent?"
The answer to your question is one of these: North Americans (Americans, Canadians and Mexicans), Central Americans or South Americans.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add "within the limits of the law," because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." -- Thomas Jefferson
For years, I have patiently explained that there are two ways (there may be others, but I can't envision them) to have considerably better government.
The first consists of two rules; one, that we go back to the idea of the congress being a part-time job - these guys can't be in session for more than three months in any calendar year, max, barring a national emergency. Two, that all laws passed can have no rider of any sort; each law proposed and voted on in congress is a stand-alone law, and the record of how the various congressmen vote is immediately available to the public.
Now, this has no chance whatsoever of becoming reality.
The second method to better government is this:
1.) Line up every existing congressman, representative and senator, and publicly shoot them in the head.
2.) Elect a new batch (and they will run!)
3.) Line up every one of them, and publicly shoot them in the head.
4.) Elect a new batch (and they will run!)
5.) Line up every one of them, put a gun to their head, and say, "Now do the right thing, motherfucker."
You will have better government for up to six months.
This has almost the exact same chance of becoming reality as the first method.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." -- John Adams
Kissinger? Is that you?
Put another way, not you, nor the government has the authority to tell the people what is "right". If the people desire it, the government's responsibility is to not play political power games with their big buddies and deliver it. Anything else is fascism. So get your militant liberal bullshit out of here.
Dude, can you read what you wrote? Do you grasp that the GP *is* one of the people, with all the rights attendant - including the right to express an opinion. Your post is bewildering.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"They don't grade fathers, but if your daughter's a stripper, you fucked up." -- Chris Rock
Excellent post, but I beg to differ. An Engineer is a guy with a blue hat with white lines on it... and a train. Everyone else is something other than an engineer.
I believe that the first clause of the second amendment was intended to limit the second clause; while the article explains the clauses and rationale behind them quite well, it strains credulity to suppose that they are essentially separate issues that these consummate wordsmiths chose to address in one statement. I can well believe that the Jeffersonians had a different intent from the republicans - and that the explanation provided in the article may be correct. But I don't believe that it is.
With respect to the first amendment, I think that those two 'freedoms' are irrevocably intertwined. Not so the two clauses of the second amendment. A number of pertinent reasons for the second clause might have been enumerated in the first clause - but they weren't; only the rationale about a well-armed militia. I can't believe that is incidental.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"The late rebellion in Massachusetts has given more alarm than I think it should have done. Calculate that one rebellion in thirteen states in the course of eleven years, is but one for each state in a century and a half. No country should be so long without one. Nor will any degree of power in the hands of government prevent insurrections." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. ME 6:391
"However, the first clause wasn't intended to limit the second clause."
Personally, I think of my right to own guns as personal and intrinsic. But I have to wonder at this notion. If the first clause wasn't intended to limit the second clause, why is the first clause there at all? For all of you/us claiming that the second amendment has no meaning or intention other than the second clause, I think you/we should wonder why they didn't just start with "Congress shall make no law..."
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever." -- John Adams
I'm sure the poor guy who can't afford chemo will be glad that the reason you want to deprive of him of life-saving healthcare is to preserve his liberties. God bless you, you rationalizing sociopath!
Fuck you. No one said anything about depriving anyone of "life-saving healthcare" but you. Shitbag.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions." - Daniel Webster
Fortunately (and this is coming from someone who occasionally has libertarian leanings too), we have collectively decided that that is an inferior way to operate a society. Those with great affluence are allowed to live, and others get to kick the bucket or suffer through deadly diseases without treatment because they live on the wrong side of the tracks? No.
Fortunately, I haven't decided it is an inferior way to run a society; as I pointed out to the original poster, if I wanted to live in a collective, I would do so. Look at your words: "Those with great affluence are allowed to live". Allowed by whom? Are we not all 'allowed to live'? I personally live as I do because I work for my living. I personally have been and will continue to be willing to help others that need help; I am not so willing if I am being forced to do so. Some of us live longer because of strength; some of us live longer because of luck. For example, when I had tuberculosis in 1957, the serum treatment was pretty new; I was treated, and lived. Had I been born 5 years earlier, I might have died, through no fault of my own. In either case, no one(except perhaps my parents, depending on your point of view) owed me anything. And the fact that some of us are luckier, or smarter, or stronger, or quicker, etc., doesn't mean that we don't also all die. Some of us die from stupid mistakes we make; some of us die from stupid mistakes others make. Some of us die from diseases that go untreated. Some of us die from diseases that get treatment. The logical conclusion of your argument here is that one does not have the right to the fruit of one's labor -- particularly if someone else needs it. You can dress it up any way you like, but that is what it comes down to. The term for that is socialism. I think it's a mistake, although it does, as I said, have its advantages.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
If tempted by something that feels "altruistic", examine your motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it! -- RA Heinlein
Actually, as nearly as I can tell, we call them "Anonymous Coward".
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." -- Robert Anton Wilson
Slashdot Mirror
Now here's a fellow who gets it. Well and fairly said.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
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Beware of he who denies you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.
Well, in the interests of brevity as well as clarity, let me just say, damn skippy.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all those censorious, self-righteous people around me.
Well, I personally wouldn't go so far as the unicorn bit, but perhaps you do get the gist.
I would point out that although in this case, I wasn't angry (and therefore your point is correct, irrespective of the location of your tongue), there is nonetheless a considerable semantic difference between 'rage' (his word) and 'anger' (your word). For whatever that's worth to you...
Sometimes, the proper response is just, "Fuck you." If that automatically denotes anger to you, without consideration of context (in this case, the rest of my post), I could see the logic of your conclusion. It would still be incorrect, but I could see how one, using that faulty premise, could come to it.
As for my original respondent, I have re-read Lumpy's diatribe, and I still conclude that the gist is that we Americans are not capable of adopting the metric system. I demur.
Hope this helps. In the most gentle, nay, euphoric, of moods, I remain
Sincerely,
Dave Kelsen
--
A good friend will come bail you out of jail, but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn... we fucked up!"
I don't really have any basis on which to guess what makes you equate 'profanity' with rage, so I won't try. Whatever your basis, you're wrong.
Sometimes what needs to be said (in anger or not, is, "fuck you."
I'm sorry you didn't understand this. I recommend you make an attempt to be a little smarter next time. Just a thought.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"No matter how low your own self-esteem, there are probably others who think less of you." -- David S. Brown
Fuck you, moron.
Americans are unwilling to adopt the metric system for a variety of reasons - many of which are not particularly sensible. But the notion that they're unable to do so is remarkably ignorant. Yet you use the term 'we' - pejoratively - in referring to Americans, giving the impression that you are one. That seems doubtful.
Either way, let me say again - fuck you.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"A man may fight for many things: his country, his principles, his friends, the glistening tear on the cheek of a golden child. But personally I'd mud-wrestle my own mother for a ton of cash, an amusing clock and a stack of french porn." -- The Black Adder
I'm fat AND I smoke, you insensitive clod.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
Personally, I like my flying brains dark and evil.
I find it difficult to believe that you know the vast majority of police officers. Come to think of it, I find it impossible to believe.
The police officers I have known have often been fine people. In addition to my personal experiences with police officers, my best friend was a police officer many years ago (I am in my 50's). He is a fine human being. And has told me many stories about 'tuning people up'. There's a lot more to it than you imagine.
Your opining about the vast majority of police officers is ignorant and offensive.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"Never forget what a man says to you when he is angry." -- Henry Ward Beecher
Hmmm. You do sound like what we computer programmers used to call 'coders'. I started programming computers in 1978. Do you do any computer programming, or are you just a coder? RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- "To have no thoughts and be able to express them - that's what makes a journalist." -- Karl Kraus
But the wonder of MCP on the Burroughs mainframes was that you didn't *have* to deal with assembler, and there was no JCL. Always superior, Burroughs died out when bought by Sperry in the mid-80's to facilitate landing/fulfilling the Air Force's Phase IV contract. Ah, those were the days.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
A good friend will come bail you out of jail, but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn... we fucked up!"
Absolutely correct; more to the point, the GP was pointing out that the SEC *knows* this. The declaration of the rule is for the benefit of CBS, not because the SEC wants it enforced. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- A good friend will come bail you out of jail, but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn... we fucked up!"
It seems to me that that is just the sort of 'loyalty'/fanaticism the phone companies want to engender; I think they should do just this - allow you to upgrade phones, while adding the time to your existing contract - with some sort of delimiter at the upper end, i.e. if the upgrade takes your commitment past 60 months, no go.
I'm sure you get this a lot, Dave, but I too am curious. Are you the Amiga guy?
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
All men are frauds. The only difference between them is that some admit it. I myself deny it.
Very reasonable and well-said. I don't have an answer, but you have echoed my own thoughts on the matter. My personal solution is this: I download what I want, and try it. If I like it or use it a good bit, I buy it - usually. If I don't like it, or don't use it much, I don't. That doesn't answer your question, of how we can make or keep 'artistic creation' something people can do. If creative people have to spend all their time pursuing other tasks in order to pay the bills, at best we'll see only a small part of their potential. It's a conundrum. I wish I had an answer, easy or otherwise. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- By the time they had diminished from 50 to 8, the other dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry'...
Well, so am I, but like the UN's, my edicts don't carry the weight of law. Sigh. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- When Jesus was on the cross, to pass the time, did he pretend he was an airplane?
Like fruey, I have always had pop3 access via my free Yahoo account, and I have never paid for it. I don't know (now) how to set it up for a new Yahoo account. It seems they've changed some things. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." -- Satchel Paige
The question your question evokes is, "which American continent?"
The answer to your question is one of these: North Americans (Americans, Canadians and Mexicans), Central Americans or South Americans.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add "within the limits of the law," because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." -- Thomas Jefferson
For years, I have patiently explained that there are two ways (there may be others, but I can't envision them) to have considerably better government.
The first consists of two rules; one, that we go back to the idea of the congress being a part-time job - these guys can't be in session for more than three months in any calendar year, max, barring a national emergency. Two, that all laws passed can have no rider of any sort; each law proposed and voted on in congress is a stand-alone law, and the record of how the various congressmen vote is immediately available to the public.
Now, this has no chance whatsoever of becoming reality.
The second method to better government is this:
1.) Line up every existing congressman, representative and senator, and publicly shoot them in the head.
2.) Elect a new batch (and they will run!)
3.) Line up every one of them, and publicly shoot them in the head.
4.) Elect a new batch (and they will run!)
5.) Line up every one of them, put a gun to their head, and say, "Now do the right thing, motherfucker."
You will have better government for up to six months.
This has almost the exact same chance of becoming reality as the first method.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." -- John Adams
It does if your carrier is AT&T.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
You know your god is man-made when he hates all the same people you do.
You seem to be implying that everyone sucks the same. I beg to differ.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
You can't drink all day long if you don't start first thing in the morning!
Dude, can you read what you wrote? Do you grasp that the GP *is* one of the people, with all the rights attendant - including the right to express an opinion. Your post is bewildering.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"They don't grade fathers, but if your daughter's a stripper, you fucked up." -- Chris Rock
Excellent post, but I beg to differ. An Engineer is a guy with a blue hat with white lines on it... and a train. Everyone else is something other than an engineer.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
Great minds drink alike.
An interesting read, and I thank you.
I believe that the first clause of the second amendment was intended to limit the second clause; while the article explains the clauses and rationale behind them quite well, it strains credulity to suppose that they are essentially separate issues that these consummate wordsmiths chose to address in one statement. I can well believe that the Jeffersonians had a different intent from the republicans - and that the explanation provided in the article may be correct. But I don't believe that it is.
With respect to the first amendment, I think that those two 'freedoms' are irrevocably intertwined. Not so the two clauses of the second amendment. A number of pertinent reasons for the second clause might have been enumerated in the first clause - but they weren't; only the rationale about a well-armed militia. I can't believe that is incidental.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"The late rebellion in Massachusetts has given more alarm than I think it should have done. Calculate that one rebellion in thirteen states in the course of eleven years, is but one for each state in a century and a half. No country should be so long without one. Nor will any degree of power in the hands of government prevent insurrections." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. ME 6:391
"However, the first clause wasn't intended to limit the second clause."
Personally, I think of my right to own guns as personal and intrinsic. But I have to wonder at this notion. If the first clause wasn't intended to limit the second clause, why is the first clause there at all? For all of you/us claiming that the second amendment has no meaning or intention other than the second clause, I think you/we should wonder why they didn't just start with "Congress shall make no law..."
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever." -- John Adams
Fuck you. No one said anything about depriving anyone of "life-saving healthcare" but you. Shitbag.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions." - Daniel Webster
Fortunately (and this is coming from someone who occasionally has libertarian leanings too), we have collectively decided that that is an inferior way to operate a society. Those with great affluence are allowed to live, and others get to kick the bucket or suffer through deadly diseases without treatment because they live on the wrong side of the tracks? No.
Fortunately, I haven't decided it is an inferior way to run a society; as I pointed out to the original poster, if I wanted to live in a collective, I would do so. Look at your words: "Those with great affluence are allowed to live". Allowed by whom? Are we not all 'allowed to live'? I personally live as I do because I work for my living. I personally have been and will continue to be willing to help others that need help; I am not so willing if I am being forced to do so. Some of us live longer because of strength; some of us live longer because of luck. For example, when I had tuberculosis in 1957, the serum treatment was pretty new; I was treated, and lived. Had I been born 5 years earlier, I might have died, through no fault of my own. In either case, no one(except perhaps my parents, depending on your point of view) owed me anything. And the fact that some of us are luckier, or smarter, or stronger, or quicker, etc., doesn't mean that we don't also all die. Some of us die from stupid mistakes we make; some of us die from stupid mistakes others make. Some of us die from diseases that go untreated. Some of us die from diseases that get treatment. The logical conclusion of your argument here is that one does not have the right to the fruit of one's labor -- particularly if someone else needs it. You can dress it up any way you like, but that is what it comes down to. The term for that is socialism. I think it's a mistake, although it does, as I said, have its advantages.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
If tempted by something that feels "altruistic", examine your motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still want to do it, wallow in it! -- RA Heinlein
Actually, as nearly as I can tell, we call them "Anonymous Coward". RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- "Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." -- Robert Anton Wilson