Winter leads to colder tempretaures
Nightime leads to darkness
Quake 4 won't run on Windows 3.1
The Pope is Catholic!
The Sun rises in the east and sets in the west.
As a user of both Windows and Linux (and FreeBSD....) I have to applaud you.
Linux is the OS I spend the most time in by far. But I don't hate Windows (or any OS). I have no intention of banishing it from my computer.
The outright childishness of so many in the Linux community can be discouraging at times. And it does nothing to promote Linux. It just makes these people look immature. That's no way to represent the community.
If you love Linux, don't hate, appreciate. Tell the world how wonderful it is. But don't bash other operating systems in the process. That's needless and childish.
Well, if you consider it ugly, the only thing I can offer you is the multitude of skins available for it.
The same skins that work with Audacious, BMP and WinAMP.
They are popular because they have a simple interface for playing music.
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That depends on how one defines simple. I like my controls easily accessible (i.e. a decent "target" for the cursor). I don't want to have to squint and focus to see the play/ff button. I'd like it to be as visible as buttons in other apps, thank you very much.
I don't really understand the whole "it has to look like my other apps" thing....
Well then, why do you suppose most GNOME, KDE, OS X and Windows applications have a similar look and feel. Why do most of them have similar controls located in the same places? Obviously quite a few people feel this way or GNOME, KDE, OS X and Windows apps would be a complete hodgepodge of applications that had no consistent look and feel. The learning curve would increase because common commands from one app to the other wouldn't exist or their menu items would be different in every application.
Some of this already happens of course, but most programmers try to be consistent with other applications (be they X-Window, OS X or MS Windows).
If it looked like my other apps it would be less convenient to use.
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I'd say just the opposite. I find playlists much easier to navigate when I can see them. I guess I might "get it" if I was one of the lucky souls with perfect vision. It's an "over 40" thing I suppose. Most if not all of the apps I've mentioned have "mini-player" interfaces that keep the app out of your way, but at least you can still read the thing.
But I digress...
My main point was, GTK1 is soooo 20th century. GTK2 is both 20th and 21st century.
Ever tried BMPx or Audacious? Open a menu item on either and then do do the same in XMMS. You'll see what I mean.
You'd think people would have figured that out by now, but nevertheless it seems that even in the newest Linux (e.g. Ubuntu) distros, new (and old) users want that crappy old microscopic winamp-ripoff ugly-ass-ancient-GTK1 app. Personally I'll never get why WinAMP and it's clones are popular. I'd like an interface that at least somewhat resembles the rest of my applications, thank you.
But for those who feel differently, why are you using XMMS when BMP, BMPx, Audacious and Zinf exist? All of them are newer and are based on newer code and have a nicer interface (albiet "nicer" in a cloning ugly-ass-WinAMP kind of way).
AmaroK (and to a slightly lesser degree - Rhythmbox, Banshee, Quod Libet and so forth) put WinAMP and it's X-Window clones to shame.
1. Creative sued Apple over the UI. They claimed they had it first. I don't recall what the outcome of the suit was (or if it's still in litigation).
2. Indeed, iTunes is the best media player (on Windows, anyway). Although Windows Media Player 11 is a close second and everything else (including that mysteriously-beloved WinAMP) is a distant third or more.
3. I've never owned an iPod. I figured it would just collect dust like my portable CD players have. I rarely feel a need to tote my music around with me. On the other hand, my computer is my home entertainment center and it's much nicer having my entire CD collection ripped to high quality (lame --preset extreme) audio files that can be called up in jukebox fashion in an instant. It's much more convenient than even the jukebox-style CD changers.
That gap playback issue was another reason I had no interest in a portable mp3 player.
4. I spent about $500.00 at the ITMS over the course of a few months (and I don't even own an iPod - as previously stated). I'll probably never spend anything close to that again..even over the course of a few years.
Why did I spend that money? Because like you, I wanted "one-hit-wonders" for my music collection as well as selected tracks from older albums and CDs that (for various reasons) I no longer own and so forth. The only other option was P2P networks (but as they say, you get what you pay for) or spending $10-16.00 on a CD that only had 3-4 songs on it that I was interested in.
I'm vehemently anti-DRM and wouldn't dream of buying an entire album on ITMS, but in my case, it made the most sense to buy lots of individual tunes. The only downside is that I'll have to "tweak" the files to make them playable in Linux.
5. It's easy to find peripherals for iPods because iPods outsell the competition. It wouldn't pay JBL, Klipsch, Logitech and so forth to come out with a collection of peripherals for iRiver and Creative players. It's kind of a double-edged sword, actually. There are a handful of mp3 players I'd actually consider in lieu of an iPod if I had an interest in one to begin with. Unlike Apple, several other makers support OGG and FLAC.
6. Oh and forget the UI. The keypad itself on the RAZR annoys the heck out of me. The whole thing looks cool as hell. But I want something that works as good as it looks.
My Money is on Microsoft. Linux corporations or users are
not that dumb. Microsoft Windows users may be dumb as shit but Linux
users are shaper [sic]
then a two edged diamond tiped [sic]
sword.
Wow. I had no idea! Thanks for that! I had this crazy notion
that there were brilliant, idoit and everything-in-between users (and
administrators) on all
Operating Systems.
"The unix way (besides do one thing and do it well) however is to allow beginners and experts in, and help them leverage themselves so that they can be intelligent and productive in how they work."
That may be the UNIX way, but it's often not the Linux way at all. Hang out on the Debian User Mailing List for a while and you'll see what I mean.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Edgy (Ubuntu 6.10) won't have a 6.10.X update. I've only seen that with Dapper (6.06) and that's only becuase it's LTS (Long Term Support).
So as far as Edgy goes version-wise, this is as good as it gets. Of course that doesn't mean there won't be serious bugfixes, but many bugs won't be fixed till the Feisty release (7.04). Some will still be left unfixed after that.
What this means is, 3 months from now somebody downloading an ISO disk image, burning it and installing Edgy will have the same packages that are on that disk today. They'll just have umpteen packages to update after the install.
You're better off with Debian Unstable. Testing often gets held up on package upgrades because the package you want is being held up in Unstable due to the Commodore 64 and Intel 8088 versions not compiling.....
Either way, I prefer Ubuntu over Debian. 6 months isn't long to wait for a very stable distro with new software. And I never upgrade an OS. I always do a clean install. (with the above Debian mentions being exceptions).
Most of most of the subdirectories in my home directory are symlinks to directories on another drive. The directroies on that drive are backed up daily to an external drive. This is a recent development. I got tired of being burned (one way or the other).:-)
I grew up in the 60's and 70's. To the best of my knowledge, no form of PC existed at that time.
I recall there was a CS class in my High School (I believe it was only open to Seniors), but you had to be a math geek to get in. I disliked math (still do) and CS was completely foreign to me at the time. Computers didn't capture my attention until 1983, when I got into the Travel Industry and learned Sabre. That's what first turned me on to computer technology.
11 years later, I got my first PC.
But I digress...
I guess that golden age of oppertunity for the "Johnnys" of the world came and went in the 80's and early 90's.
I've used both Debian and Fedora Core in recent months and I'm running Ubuntu Dapper at this moment. Multiarch in Fedora seemed overly complicated and I couldn't find much documentation on it. So I stuck with x86 as I have with Ubuntu (even though I have an AMD Athlon64 3500+ CPU).
And I'm sure all of anyone's personal files are worthless and wouldn't be missed if they were hacked/destroyed eh?
Seriously, most of the macro viruses affecting Microsoft Office have little to do with system files and everything to do with user files.
It sounds to me like this article raises very valid points.
Someday a lot of Linux users will get off their high horse and realize that their beloved OS isn't as bulletproof as they'd like to believe. Someday....
Meanwhile, OpenOffice.org is cross-platform, so it's bringing it's vulnerabilities to Linux, OS X, *BSD, Windows....
Oh and I run Linux myself (Ubuntu Dapper, Fedora Core 5 & Debian Sid) as well as Windows XP/Vista. This message was made with Ubuntu 6.06.1
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since us grownups prefer more sophisticated entertainment.
Winter leads to colder tempretaures
Nightime leads to darkness
Quake 4 won't run on Windows 3.1
The Pope is Catholic!
The Sun rises in the east and sets in the west.
Windows 3.1 won't run on new hardware.
Just because you don't like Windows doesn't make it a "dead subject".
Frankly, I'm bored with (and tired of) Sci-Fi and Game stories. I just ignore them and move on.
As a user of both Windows and Linux (and FreeBSD....) I have to applaud you.
Linux is the OS I spend the most time in by far. But I don't hate Windows (or any OS). I have no intention of banishing it from my computer.
The outright childishness of so many in the Linux community can be discouraging at times. And it does nothing to promote Linux. It just makes these people look immature. That's no way to represent the community.
If you love Linux, don't hate, appreciate. Tell the world how wonderful it is. But don't bash other operating systems in the process. That's needless and childish.
I have two words for the Microsoft bashers.
Grow up.
Yeah, but as I fan of "Wikiality", I still found it amusing.
You'd think people would have figured that out by now, but nevertheless it seems that even in the newest Linux (e.g. Ubuntu) distros, new (and old) users want that crappy old microscopic winamp-ripoff ugly-ass-ancient-GTK1 app. Personally I'll never get why WinAMP and it's clones are popular. I'd like an interface that at least somewhat resembles the rest of my applications, thank you.
But for those who feel differently, why are you using XMMS when BMP, BMPx, Audacious and Zinf exist? All of them are newer and are based on newer code and have a nicer interface (albiet "nicer" in a cloning ugly-ass-WinAMP kind of way).
AmaroK (and to a slightly lesser degree - Rhythmbox, Banshee, Quod Libet and so forth) put WinAMP and it's X-Window clones to shame.
1. Creative sued Apple over the UI. They claimed they had it first. I don't recall what the outcome of the suit was (or if it's still in litigation).
2. Indeed, iTunes is the best media player (on Windows, anyway). Although Windows Media Player 11 is a close second and everything else (including that mysteriously-beloved WinAMP) is a distant third or more.
3. I've never owned an iPod. I figured it would just collect dust like my portable CD players have. I rarely feel a need to tote my music around with me. On the other hand, my computer is my home entertainment center and it's much nicer having my entire CD collection ripped to high quality (lame --preset extreme) audio files that can be called up in jukebox fashion in an instant. It's much more convenient than even the jukebox-style CD changers.
That gap playback issue was another reason I had no interest in a portable mp3 player.
4. I spent about $500.00 at the ITMS over the course of a few months (and I don't even own an iPod - as previously stated). I'll probably never spend anything close to that again..even over the course of a few years.
Why did I spend that money? Because like you, I wanted "one-hit-wonders" for my music collection as well as selected tracks from older albums and CDs that (for various reasons) I no longer own and so forth. The only other option was P2P networks (but as they say, you get what you pay for) or spending $10-16.00 on a CD that only had 3-4 songs on it that I was interested in.
I'm vehemently anti-DRM and wouldn't dream of buying an entire album on ITMS, but in my case, it made the most sense to buy lots of individual tunes. The only downside is that I'll have to "tweak" the files to make them playable in Linux.
5. It's easy to find peripherals for iPods because iPods outsell the competition. It wouldn't pay JBL, Klipsch, Logitech and so forth to come out with a collection of peripherals for iRiver and Creative players. It's kind of a double-edged sword, actually. There are a handful of mp3 players I'd actually consider in lieu of an iPod if I had an interest in one to begin with. Unlike Apple, several other makers support OGG and FLAC.
6. Oh and forget the UI. The keypad itself on the RAZR annoys the heck out of me. The whole thing looks cool as hell. But I want something that works as good as it looks.
Wow. I had no idea! Thanks for that! I had this crazy notion that there were brilliant, idoit and everything-in-between users (and administrators) on all Operating Systems.
I stand corrected...
When will /. release correct logos to accompany stories on NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Fedora Core, Ubuntu.....
"The unix way (besides do one thing and do it well) however is to allow beginners and experts in, and help them leverage themselves so that they can be intelligent and productive in how they work."
That may be the UNIX way, but it's often not the Linux way at all. Hang out on the Debian User Mailing List for a while and you'll see what I mean.
Like YouTube, Google and the majority of sites with Video these days....
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Edgy (Ubuntu 6.10) won't have a 6.10.X update. I've only seen that with Dapper (6.06) and that's only becuase it's LTS (Long Term Support).
So as far as Edgy goes version-wise, this is as good as it gets. Of course that doesn't mean there won't be serious bugfixes, but many bugs won't be fixed till the Feisty release (7.04). Some will still be left unfixed after that.
What this means is, 3 months from now somebody downloading an ISO disk image, burning it and installing Edgy will have the same packages that are on that disk today. They'll just have umpteen packages to update after the install.
You're better off with Debian Unstable. Testing often gets held up on package upgrades because the package you want is being held up in Unstable due to the Commodore 64 and Intel 8088 versions not compiling.....
Either way, I prefer Ubuntu over Debian. 6 months isn't long to wait for a very stable distro with new software. And I never upgrade an OS. I always do a clean install. (with the above Debian mentions being exceptions).
Most of most of the subdirectories in my home directory are symlinks to directories on another drive. The directroies on that drive are backed up daily to an external drive. This is a recent development. I got tired of being burned (one way or the other). :-)
They do a fresh install.
I've always done it that way. Be it Linux or Windows. There are just too many things that can go wrong.
Back up your files and then do a clean install. In the end you'll probably spend less time getting your new OS up and running like you want it to.
I'm running Edgy and overall it's going quite well. It has a few bugs, but they can't be blamed on an upgrade.
I grew up in the 60's and 70's. To the best of my knowledge, no form of PC existed at that time.
I recall there was a CS class in my High School (I believe it was only open to Seniors), but you had to be a math geek to get in. I disliked math (still do) and CS was completely foreign to me at the time. Computers didn't capture my attention until 1983, when I got into the Travel Industry and learned Sabre. That's what first turned me on to computer technology.
11 years later, I got my first PC.
But I digress...
I guess that golden age of oppertunity for the "Johnnys" of the world came and went in the 80's and early 90's.
So what language would you suggest for an 11-year old to start off with?
How could anything look good in the butt-ugly "classic theme"?
;-)
You need to upgrade to the 21st century.
I've used both Debian and Fedora Core in recent months and I'm running Ubuntu Dapper at this moment. Multiarch in Fedora seemed overly complicated and I couldn't find much documentation on it. So I stuck with x86 as I have with Ubuntu (even though I have an AMD Athlon64 3500+ CPU).
I didn't even realize Debian had mutiarch in the works till you mentioend it. So I Googled the subject and found that (at least in Debian's case, it's not really ready for prime time anyway).
Not to mention the fact that I've not seen any notable performance boost in x86-64 Fedora or Ubuntu (I've tried it in both).
That was an intelligent response.
And I'm sure all of anyone's personal files are worthless and wouldn't be missed if they were hacked/destroyed eh?
Seriously, most of the macro viruses affecting Microsoft Office have little to do with system files and everything to do with user files.
It sounds to me like this article raises very valid points.
Someday a lot of Linux users will get off their high horse and realize that their beloved OS isn't as bulletproof as they'd like to believe. Someday....
Meanwhile, OpenOffice.org is cross-platform, so it's bringing it's vulnerabilities to Linux, OS X, *BSD, Windows....
Oh and I run Linux myself (Ubuntu Dapper, Fedora Core 5 & Debian Sid) as well as Windows XP/Vista. This message was made with Ubuntu 6.06.1
Well based on the story, OpenOffice.org is clearly doing something wrong....