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Mark Cuban Declares War on GooTube

PreacherTom writes "Mark Cuban — the billionaire owner of the Dallas Mavericks, tech entrepreneur, and self-proclaimed 'blog maverick' — has always been outspoken in his ridicule of Google and YouTube. Now, it appears he's willing to put his money where his mouth is. Cuban is so convinced that GooTube will be a failure that he is in the process of acquiring the news agency owned by Robert Tur, currently involved in serious litigation with Google over copyright violations. With billions on both sides, this could be a real clash of the titans."

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  1. Titans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    With billions on both sides, this could be a real clash of the titans.


    Yeah, it could be, but we're calling it "GooTube".
    1. Re:Titans by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's German. It means "good ube." I've often wondered if they accidentally left off the 'r', which would make a little more sense: "good over"

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    2. Re:Titans by jimstapleton · · Score: 1

      heh, GooTube, makes me think of a manufacturer of toothpaste, or K-Y Jelly

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    3. Re:Titans by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 3, Funny

      They should just call it OogleTube or somesuch instead...

      And on another note, why does it matter how rich these people are? Yeah, I know. It was a rethoric question. The real quiestion is; why the hell do we take this situation without the least bit of critiquie?

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    4. Re:Titans by mikerich · · Score: 5, Funny
      GooTube or Yougle? Hmmm... that's a tough one.

      One sounds like a glue, the other a brand of European yogurt.

    5. Re:Titans by Umbrae · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah. But nobody likes a GooTuber. Slimy potatos aren't really where it's at.

    6. Re:Titans by KDR_11k · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, not at all (the word you're thinking of is gut, oo is not pronounced like that in German). Maybe it's Dutch. And über is mostly used for locations.

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    7. Re:Titans by Alzheimers · · Score: 1

      Considering their other forays into portmanteau shouldn't it be called Yoogle or Toogle?

    8. Re:Titans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it could be, but we're calling it "GooTube".

      They misspelled Trojans in the title.

    9. Re:Titans by drinkmorejava · · Score: 1

      Gee, nm that Youtube/Google isn't actually accountable for the content their users post.

    10. Re:Titans by drpimp · · Score: 1

      Agreed but then they would not conform to the typical Google naming convention, with the exception to Froogle that has now conformed as well.

      /(Google) (\w*)/

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    11. Re:Titans by cybrzndane · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't tell Sen. Ted Stevens. The phrase may be misconstrued.

    12. Re:Titans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Nah, the Dutch word is "goed", so that doesn't fit either.

    13. Re:Titans by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 2

      Google Youtube
      XX|||| |||XXXX
            \\\\\////
              OgleYou

      Should have gone into marketing.

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    14. Re:Titans by asCii88 · · Score: 1

      GooTube sounds like the name of a friendly phantom. Maybe its Casper's little brother.

    15. Re:Titans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's actually 'güt' in German for the word 'good', if you want to be correct about it. So, GooTube is actually not really that close to German unless you're going by pronunciation.

    16. Re:Titans by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 1

      When the titans clash, a bit of GooTube is a good thing.

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    17. Re:Titans by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1

      Why? Because Tennessee already has copyright for the name Titans in anything

    18. Re:Titans by larpon · · Score: 1

      That has got to be the worst ASCII-art diagram I've ever seen :)

    19. Re:Titans by _argonauta · · Score: 1

      no, it is not. it is simply gut (no umlaut), if we all want to be correct about it, bitte!

    20. Re:Titans by nowhere.elysium · · Score: 1

      YooGlube! The new edible adhesive, fresh from Sweden!

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    21. Re:Titans by Fallen+Seraph · · Score: 1

      It matters because it might determine who sues whom into oblivion...

    22. Re:Titans by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      You mean EUgurt?

    23. Re:Titans by aetherworld · · Score: 1

      Yup, good is 'gut' in German. Written like 'gut' in 'gut feeling' but spelled differently. And you're right, 'über' mostly means 'over' as in 'something just flew over my head'. It's not only used for locations, though.

      And 'good ube' doesn't mean anything. Neither does 'gut ube'.

  2. Obligatory by webheaded · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I, for one, welcome our new billionare touting overlords...

    Wait a second...

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  3. Wait... by pionzypher · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The man is so convinced that google/youtube will fail, he's actually going to jump in the ring to try to make it happen? Umm... Someone should just give this guy a hobby.

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    1. Re:Wait... by JimBowen · · Score: 1

      No, he's buying the company that's suing them. So if they do win, he stands to make a huge amount of money.
      Just like a great big bet at the bookies really..

    2. Re:Wait... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      "Someone should just give this guy a hobby."

      Dallas Mavericks

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    3. Re:Wait... by jimstapleton · · Score: 1

      I can't wait to laugh when he looses it all. Except the company will probably loose by google buying them out, which means paying this idiot of. Win-Win I guess.

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    4. Re:Wait... by Izago909 · · Score: 1

      It just goes to show that money doesn't necessarily make things better... I mean, look at the Mavericks.

    5. Re:Wait... by monkeySauce · · Score: 1

      Yeah that's just what I was thinking.

      Cuban: "Google is in big trouble now! Youtube is going to fail! Goo...ou..tube... yeah, Gootube, I uh meant to say that; Gootube is going to fail!

      Cuban to advisor: "Psst... how can I make this thing fail?"

      Advisor to Cuban: "Doh!"

    6. Re:Wait... by PFI_Optix · · Score: 4, Funny

      He has a hobby: finding new and interesting ways to get ejected from an NBA game.

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    7. Re:Wait... by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is Mark Cuban we're talking about. He bought a basketball team just so he could hang out with pro athletes. The whole situation with him and the Mavs reminds me of a movie where the biggest fan somehow ends up becoming the owner of the team. His blog rants are the same kind of rants you'd hear from your buddies while watching the game on TV (refs are against us, conspiracy theory, blah blah blah.) What I like about the guy is that the NBA fines him $100,000+ every time he says something stupid and he keeps doing it. That's putting your money where your mouth is.

      Of course, this is actually his area of business specialty (media and the internet.) He has a ton of business reasons to ensure Google/YouTube don't succeed. He probably had the same idea 3 or 4 years ago but scrapped it over liability concerns, and he's making sure nobody else gets to make money off it either.

    8. Re:Wait... by AceCaseOR · · Score: 0
      Dallas Mavericks
      Which, IIRC (and I don't follow sports that much) haven't been doing that well recently.
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    9. Re:Wait... by X43B · · Score: 1

      "It just goes to show that money doesn't necessarily make things better... I mean, look at the Mavericks." 1) There is a salary cap that all teams must adhere to so it isn't like he can just buy up every player in the league. 2) The Mavericks reached their first ever championship finals last year and have consistently had a much higher winning % compared to their franchise history since Cuban took over. This is attributed to Cubans willingness to spend extra coaches to help the players and private plane so the players may relax and strictly control their diet, and control their schedule.

    10. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently you don't. The Mavs have done very well under Cuban and played for the championship against the Miami Heat last season

    11. Re:Wait... by lokiomega · · Score: 1

      lose...lose lose lose lose lose please

    12. Re:Wait... by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Ah, thanks for coming Mark. Glad to hear you've taken us over, we really admire whatever it is you're famous for. Anyway, just to let you know, we're close to reaching a settlement with Google. They're going to pay us seventy eight mill..."

      "Sorry to cut you off, but that's not going to happen. We're not settling. We're going to win this case."

      "But we are winning the case. This deal means we'll get..."

      "Sorry, not interested. We're going to fight this case, demand $699, or whatever that statatuory damages figure is, for every download of every video that YouTube has ever done that we can sue over."

      "But that'll drive Google bankrupt! We'll never get our money, and under this deal we'll end up getting more in the long run anyway because, as I was saying, they're going to, every year, pay us..."

      "Stop. Stop right now. I predicted Google are going to lose this. Lose they shall."

      "But wouldn't you prefer us both to win? I mean, we can make a fortune through this, if Google makes it a success."

      "No. Then I'd look like an idiot. People would point at me and say "There goes Mark Cuban, the guy who said Google was doomed by buying YouTube, and now has made billions by coming to an agreement that meant Google could make it work." I don't want that to happen. I have a reputation to keep. I'm a dot-com millionaire damn it."

      ...etc...

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    13. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called "business" - you missed the point where he thinks he can turn a profit by doing it.

    14. Re:Wait... by atlasdropperofworlds · · Score: 1

      The man is so convinced that google/youtube will fail, he's actually going to jump in the ring to try to make it happen? Umm... Someone should just give this guy a hobby.

      He's a billionaire, what kind of hobbies is he supposed to have? He's already tried all the 'other' hobbies...
      But I agree: Here is a guy who obviously doesn't want to be wrong, so he takes on the action he's been warning about. Kinda like Russel Peter's dad saying "Somebody gunna get 'a hurt real bad...". If I were sophisticated I would know the word in the English language that describes this kind of behaviour, but alas, I'll have to rely on a fellow slashdotter (once again...).

    15. Re:Wait... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 5, Funny
      If I were sophisticated I would know the word in the English language that describes this kind of behaviour, but alas, I'll have to rely on a fellow slashdotter (once again...).
      I believe that the word you're looking for is "asshole".
    16. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're not google, there's not much money at stake to to answer your questions, it would be impossible for cuban to 'lose it all'...

    17. Re:Wait... by Rydia · · Score: 1

      Cuban has more money than God. He has no reason to sell to Google. Plus, according to the law, he's... uh... right.

      So yeah, win-win for Cuban.

    18. Re:Wait... by Afrosheen · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I live in Dallas and know all about Mark Cuban's shenanigans. He's a dumbass with a truck load of money, and his NBA antics with the officials and refs are well publicized.

        I hope he gets sued into oblivion by Google/Youtube. I'd like nothing more at this point than to see him fail miserably.

    19. Re:Wait... by EnderWigginsXenocide · · Score: 4, Informative

      "according to the law, he's... uh... right."

      YouTube requires agreement to their TOS when one posts a video. The poster is liable for the conents of the video. YouTube complies with takedown notices. So if you don't like something that goes onto YouTube and you have the legal rights to it, you ask YouTube to take it down, and it's gone. Who the hell needs to waste time and money on a lawsuit when single letter ("Get my stuff off your site, here are the URLS") will get your content off YouTube. Taking up a suit against a company that is so compliant with takedown requests is only a moneygrab or an act of malice ("Let's sue them into bankrupcy, I can afford more lawyer time then they can.")

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    20. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's time for Google to sue this guy for harassment, especially if the only purpose he is buying into this company is to sue them.

    21. Re:Wait... by Macadamizer · · Score: 1

      Is YouTube an ISP? Because the safeharbor for takedown requests only applies to ISP's, and ISP-like entities. Maybe it is, I don't know -- but depending on how much control they assert over what gets posted, it may be a contentious point.

      And a TOS or release or anything like that isn't going to protect YouTube -- or anyone -- if they are really liable under copyright law. You can't contract away your liability like that.

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    22. Re:Wait... by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      It's his money to lose. Flickr and similar sites have been around quite a while and YouTube isn't much more than Flickr for video. So long as YouTube makes a legitimate effort to remove copyright violations when copyright holders report them I don't know how they can lose a lawsuit. It'd be pretty easy to keep repeats from happening but as it's so easy to slightly modify a video and bypass most basic filters I don't see that there is a legitimate way to blame YouTube for this happening.

      Only idiots fight the future. Smart players see what the new trends are and find ways to make them work to their advantage. Online access to all IP isn't going anywhere despite the whiners.

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    23. Re:Wait... by 14CharUsername · · Score: 1

      No its just retarded. "I didn't think this idea would work so I'll make sure it doesn't". So if I think a building is unsafe its a good idea for me to set it on fire?

    24. Re:Wait... by Thalagyrt · · Score: 1

      Yea, but we totally kicked the Mavs' collective asses.

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    25. Re:Wait... by mdozturk · · Score: 1

      YouTube provides a service: it allows you to share videos you created. It does not let you share videos you have no right to share. They tell you not to do it and they remove videos you upload.

      Doesn't this go back to the betamax case? Just because a tool can be used illegally doesn't mean the use of the tool is illegal. Is Xerox liable if you photocopy pages off a book in violation of copyright laws?

    26. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer "Cock Goblin".

    27. Re:Wait... by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 1

      No, IMO it's more of a "these guys business could some day interfere with mine, so I'll see if I can ruin their business model before it gets to that point." If he's investigated the idea (and c'mon, video sharing online was the holy grail for 3 or 4 years, I'm sure he has) then he probably knows the areas where YouTube can get nailed. It just wasn't worth doing until Google and their deep pockets showed up.

    28. Re:Wait... by 14CharUsername · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ah, american capitalism. Come up with an idea, find weaknesses in it, then wait until someone else uses the idea and then sue their asses off.

      This guy is pure slime.

    29. Re:Wait... by loid_void · · Score: 1

      I just posted a forum topic on http://forums.yourminis.com/forums/8/ShowForum.asp x">the site that he's involved in that is the real reason he's doing this. Hey, maybe load that site up with anti-cuban posts? What do ya say?

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    30. Re:Wait... by cowscows · · Score: 1

      Just to play devil's advocate, why should I have to waste my time searching through all of these different websites to see if they have my content on them? Especially because even if I have them take it all down, it could easily be reposted by someone else the next day. My time is valuable to me, and if I have to spend some of it trying to protect my stuff, then that leaves me less time to create new stuff, or go on vacation, or sleep, or whatever.

      Everyone knows that YouTube is overflowing with content posted by people who don't have the legal rights to do so. If they were somehow able to filter out all of that content before it got posted, they'd likely lose a huge percentage of their traffic. Their TOS allows them to sort of skirt around that fact and play ignorant, but they know as well as we do that they'd quickly fade into obscurity without it.

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    31. Re:Wait... by HoboMaster · · Score: 1

      You're obviously missing what's going on here. HE's suing THEM. Good luck with Google suing him into oblivion, considering they have no reason to sue him.

      And as a fellow Dallasite, I love Cuban. He isn't afraid to say what he wants, to the NBA or anyone else. I appreciate that.

      Plus, he's made the Mavs a decent team over the last several teams, which I like.

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    32. Re:Wait... by Kesh · · Score: 1
      Just to play devil's advocate, why should I have to waste my time searching through all of these different websites to see if they have my content on them?

      It's called "protecting your IP." Failure to do so means that IP can be ruled as belonging to someone else or opened.

    33. Re:Wait... by AxelBoldt · · Score: 1
      So if you don't like something that goes onto YouTube and you have the legal rights to it, you ask YouTube to take it down, and it's gone.
      Will they send me a check for the amount they made advertising alongside my content? If not then I'll have to sue to get my money.
    34. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>Win-Win I guess
      Actually, prety loose at both ends.

    35. Re:Wait... by redcane · · Score: 1

      AFAIK that only applies to trademarks, not copyright.

    36. Re:Wait... by Samrobb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ??AA: "Just to play devil's advocate, why should we have to waste our time searching through all of these different computers to see if they have our content on them? Especially because even if we remove it all, it could easily be re-downloaded by someone else the next day. Our time is valuable to us, and if we have to spend some of it trying to protect our stuff, then that leaves us less time to sign new artists, or go on promotions, or count our money, or whatever."

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    37. Re:Wait... by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1, Flamebait
      How has he harassed them? By exercising his right to free speech? Should Best Buy sue the owner of bestbuysux.com for harassment too, for daring to speak out against their almighty good?

      Newsflash, too: people using legal actions (be they plaintiff or defendant) as a motivation for their purchase of companies all the time.

      Or is it because Google is hailed by you as all that is good with the world and people shouldn't be allowed a dissenting opinion?

    38. Re:Wait... by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 2, Informative
      What I like about the guy is that the NBA fines him $100,000+ every time he says something stupid and he keeps doing it. That's putting your money where your mouth is.

      And, I believe, donates an equal amount to charity. I think he was even quoted as saying something along the lines of "Such and such charity hasn't been getting enough money from me since I lost my voice, so I've been catching up on badmouthing the refs"...

    39. Re:Wait... by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      a much smarter bet would be to just buy either law firm. That way no matter which side wins, he'd still get his cut.

    40. Re:Wait... by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      Well, Wade and the rest of the team did. You just watched.

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    41. Re:Wait... by cowscows · · Score: 1

      what's your point? you don't like the RIAA?

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    42. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, does it hurt being so ignorant of reality?

    43. Re:Wait... by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 1
      Doesn't this go back to the betamax case? Just because a tool can be used illegally doesn't mean the use of the tool is illegal. Is Xerox liable if you photocopy pages off a book in violation of copyright laws?


      No, but Kinko's would be liable if you did it there (arguably, more easily argued if you used a kneejerk issue like copying child porn, or at least a harsher crime than copyright violation like money counterfitting)
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    44. Re:Wait... by KUHurdler · · Score: 1

      They've certainly invested a lot of money into preventing counterfeit money.

      Evidently they are somewhat liable for what they can copy.

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    45. Re:Wait... by Samrobb · · Score: 1

      No, just trying to point out how easy it would be to abuse the "I shouldn't have to do any work to protect my copyright" position. It's one of those ideas that just doesn't scale too well.

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    46. Re:Wait... by vidarh · · Score: 1
      YouTube isn't a tool, it's a service. Your analogy would have worked if Sony provided operation of betamax players as a service and the court had come to the same conclusion. But they didn't.

      A better analogy for your Xerox example would be if Kinko's let you get one of their staff to do wholesale copying of in-copyright books and got away with it - they wouldn't. At the very least they'd risk contributory copyright infringement charges as it should be obvious to them that it's copyright infringement if you come to them with a book and want it copied and don't come from a company that would seem to be likely to have rights to the book, and don't show any documentation.

      The fact that YouTube remove video's is not necessarily to their advantage - it means a court might very well decide that they have no expectation of being treated as an ISP or common carrier, as they may be seen to exercise editorial control of content on their system. If that happens, they might need to show that they're taking sufficient measures to stop most of the copyright infringement.

    47. Re:Wait... by Thalagyrt · · Score: 1

      If you had any idea about my family, you'd know that we do a bit more than watch. But you don't know me, so I wouldn't expect you to know that. If you're wondering WTF, shoot me an email and I'll explain, hell I'll even throw some pictures in. I don't want to post about it on Slashdot.

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  4. I conclude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being wealthy doesn't make someone less of a kook!

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  5. Re:First posting. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Excuse me, ve are lookink for nuclear wessels.

  6. I didn't realize... by hoy74 · · Score: 0

    David Stern was the CEO for google?

  7. *Tsk Tsk* Have we learned nothing? by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Whenever Godzilla and Mecha-Godzilla fight; it is Tokyo that suffers the most.

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    1. Re:*Tsk Tsk* Have we learned nothing? by c_forq · · Score: 1

      Say what you will, but if it wasn't for Tokyo getting destroyed we would never have the wonder that is Neo-Tokyo.

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    2. Re:*Tsk Tsk* Have we learned nothing? by SdnSeraphim · · Score: 1

      There is an old saying (I think Chinese, but I could be wrong):
      "When two elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers."

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    3. Re:*Tsk Tsk* Have we learned nothing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China doesn't have a lot of elephants. I'm guessing Indian.

    4. Re:*Tsk Tsk* Have we learned nothing? by bosef1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Let it not be said that MtG taught us nothing.

  8. Re:First posting. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    I think they're in Alameda.

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  9. Only a moron would buy YouTube by burris · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just like the morons that bought broadcast.com

    1. Re:Only a moron would buy YouTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with broadcast.com was that it was legal but Yahoo basically screwed that opportunity up turning it into the highest paid domain transfer ever since it just now redirects to yahoo.com, unlike gootube. I side with Mark, I think google was stupid for buying the second highest ranked cesspool on the internet, behind myspace.com.

      Go Mavs!

    2. Re:Only a moron would buy YouTube by GamingFox · · Score: 0

      Funny that you said broadcast.com...

      Mark Cuban is one of two co-founders of broadcast.com, and Yahoo buying broadcast.com for $5.04 billion is where Mark Cuban get most of his wealth.

    3. Re:Only a moron would buy YouTube by theNOTO · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mark Cuban used to own broadcast.com? Who knew?

    4. Re:Only a moron would buy YouTube by dj_krztoff · · Score: 5, Funny

      So, what you're saying is ... you got the joke.

    5. Re:Only a moron would buy YouTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Zoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom.... ..........

      That would be the sound of the joke going over your head.

    6. Re:Only a moron would buy YouTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Really? Wow! It's so funny how he mentioned broadcast.com and the sale thereof in a story about the previous owner of said domain. Just, wow. That's really amazing. I mean, out of all the stories in the world, and all the domains in the world, he happened to mention broadcast.com in this particular story. And then you, you clever person you, were sharp enough to notice the completely coincidental connection. I truly tip my hat to you sir!

    7. Re:Only a moron would buy YouTube by alienmole · · Score: 1

      No, he knew all the facts necessary to get the joke, but still didn't get it. That's kind of the opposite of getting the joke.

      Wait, was that a joke?

  10. Sour grapes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    inflated ego much ?

    maybe he should spend more time relaxing on the beach with his billions and less deriding successful companies with better ideas and more talent

    Marks skill was getting rich, but can he juggle 5 balls ? wheelie a bike ? grind a rail on a skateboard ? fly a helicopter ? draw a picture well ?

    1. Re:Sour grapes by HeavenlyBankAcct · · Score: 3, Funny

      Marks skill was getting rich, but can he juggle 5 balls ? wheelie a bike ? grind a rail on a skateboard ? fly a helicopter ? draw a picture well ?

      Dude, Mark Cuban can totally wheelie a bike and grind a rail on a skateboard.

      This one time, he was skating and I saw him do a totally gnarly 360 off of some dude's face while the dude was all screaming like "NO WAY!" and then Mark Cuban landed in Bolivia and did an ollie right over these military drug guys with machine guns that were all shooting in the air so he jumped off the skateboard in mid-air and threw it at them and it hit all three of them at once so they were like "WHOA!" and then they got knocked out so Mark Cuban (who was still in the air) landed on a BMX bike and did a vicious wheelie, then some other dude handed him a Flying V and he started playing Cat Scratch Fever while he was totally riding with no hands and some girls in bikinis were all like "YOU ARE HOT" and he was all like "I KNOW" and then he drank a Mountain Dew really fast and then did a thumbs-up.

    2. Re:Sour grapes by Jaxoreth · · Score: 1

      I think you're confusing Mark Cuban with Vin Diesel in XXX.

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    3. Re:Sour grapes by Miseph · · Score: 1

      I think you're confusing Vin Diesel in XXX with one of these guys.

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  11. Furthering his own interests... by thebdj · · Score: 4, Insightful
    As of August 9, 2005, Cuban had begun spearheading ventures in both the social software and distributed networking industries. Cuban is an owner of IceRocket, a search engine which scours the blogosphere for content.[34] Cuban is also a partner in RedSwoosh[35] -- a company which uses peer-to-peer technology to deliver rich media, including video and software to a user's PC.
    That is taken right from the wikipedia article, here. Seriously, this would just a movie to further his own ventures. I still think this is odd since he did back Grokster during their failed legal attempts. I guess since there is no way for him to get in on the Google/YouTube money (and he feels cheated there were wrongdoings in the deal) that he will help beat them the "old fashioned" way by financing someone who is suing them. Where have I heard of this little scheme before....
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    1. Re:Furthering his own interests... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cuban is also a partner in RedSwoosh[35] -- a company which uses peer-to-peer technology to deliver rich media, including video and software to a user's PC.

      commonly known as a PUP (potentially unwanted program)
      or as we in the tech industry call it "spyware"

      http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/redswoosh.net

    2. Re:Furthering his own interests... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, this would just a movie to further his own ventures.

      O RLY? Thanks Ric Romero for the blinding flash of insight!

    3. Re:Furthering his own interests... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did not know the numb-nuts from Fark were reading slashdot these days. Grow balls, then post...

    4. Re:Furthering his own interests... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Insightful
      still think this is odd since he did back Grokster during their failed legal attempts.


      (Emphasis mine) Actually it makes perfect sense. To a legal simpleton anyway.

      Grokster was sued by copyright holders over illegal distribution of copyrighted material.
      Google/YouTube is being sued by copyright holders over allegedly illegal distribution of copyrighted material.

      Grokster lost, therefore Google/YouTube will lose. Cuban is backing the horse that he thinks will win, and he believes he'll cash in.

    5. Re:Furthering his own interests... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Cuban is an owner of IceRocket, a search engine which scours the blogosphere for content.

      Wait - there's content in the blogosphere? Well, you learn something new every day!

    6. Re:Furthering his own interests... by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 1

      If true, that's an *incredibly cynical move by the man who said "software doesn't steal content, people steal content" w/r/t Grokster. Google/YouTube don't 'steal' content, its users do. Unless I can make a few quid by suing Google/YouTube, in which case software does steal content now.

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    7. Re:Furthering his own interests... by Jester998 · · Score: 1

      ...IceRocket, a search engine which scours the blogosphere for content.

      Well, at least the database backups fit on an 8" floppy...

    8. Re:Furthering his own interests... by 14CharUsername · · Score: 1

      Difference is the primary use of grokster was copyright infringement. The primary use of you tube is kids to lip-sync poorly to music. Now, because of the music playing in the background, Google will have to send a little money to the RIAA, and they will have to take down anything like entire episodes of TV shows. But they are already making deals with the music industry and taking down copyright infinging material.

      This is just Mark Cuban being an ass.

  12. Open up a Western Front by Lev13than · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cuban is so convinced that GooTube will be a failure that he is in the process of acquiring the news agency owned by Robert Tur, currently involved in serious litigation with Google over copyright violations.

    In retaliation, Sergey Brin has just announced plans to buy the L.A. Clippers.

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    1. Re:Open up a Western Front by AceCaseOR · · Score: 1
      In retaliation, Sergey Brin has just announced plans to buy the L.A. Clippers.

      What would make that even funnier, is if with Brin as owner, the Clippers won the NBA Championship. I would predict that the moment that happened, Cuban's head would not only explode, but the splatter would land in the form of a 350-page rant about how the Clipper's victory was the result of a Vast Conspiracy between the NBA Referee's association, Commissioner Stern, Google, and the Bavarian Illuminati.

      As it is, anymore I'd say that Cuban has become (if he wasn't from the beginning) an 100% certified attention-whoring assclown.

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    2. Re:Open up a Western Front by jallen02 · · Score: 1

      The key way to say it is that he is a BILLIONARE who is a 100% certified attention-whoring assclown. Billion. That gets you a lot of attention regardless.

    3. Re:Open up a Western Front by Odin's+Raven · · Score: 4, Funny
      In retaliation, Sergey Brin has just announced plans to buy the L.A. Clippers.

      Next, Brin and Cuban agree that all copyright issues will be settled by best-of-7 tournaments between their respective teams. This proves to be too time consuming, so they expedite the process by substituting one-on-one NBA Live 07 matches using virtual versions of their respective teams.

      The first match goes poorly, with Cuban accusing Brin of redirecting 90% of Google's computers to run a "hoop-bot" to improve his team's shooting accuracy. To ensure fairness, future matches are broadcast live on G4 TV. This proves to be an instant hit, capturing 100% attention from both of G4's viewers. A year later, Electronic Arts introduces "Madden Meta-NBA 08", where players control either a virtual Brin or virtual Cuban playing simulated NBA Live matches, available exclusively on the new SonySoft XStation720.

      The game becomes an instant hit, and six months later Hollywood commissions a movie of the game of the company owners playing sports games of teams fighting for ...errr... for something or other, frankly we've forgotten by now. Probably a woman. Or a cat. Maybe an orphanage. Screw it, we'll go with an orphan cat-woman. Uwe Bolle will direct.

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    4. Re:Open up a Western Front by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The game becomes an instant hit, and six months later Hollywood commissions a movie of the game of the company owners playing sports games of teams fighting for ...errr... for something or other, frankly we've forgotten by now. Probably a woman. Or a cat. Maybe an orphanage. Screw it, we'll go with an orphan cat-woman. Uwe Bolle will direct.

      Scenes from the movie are uploaded to YouTube....and Mark Cuban sues Google over them...

  13. Suing for profit is a moral stand? by ghostlibrary · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Okay, I'm puzzled. The EFF defending someone sued by, say, the RIAA, is to support the individual who is being overwhelmed by a large corporation due to a questionable law. And one could argue Cuban is just doing something similar-- supporting a lawsuit of an individual who feels a corporation has infringed on their rights in an area where the law is murky.

    However, supporting an individual's lawsuit, not because of the principal involved, but because you don't like them and think they're stupid, that's... well, childish. That's putting ego as more important than justice, and in theory, that's what the whole court system is supposed to prevent.

    Isn't this just a form of vigilante justice by Cuban? "I don't like 'em, so they're going down."

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    1. Re:Suing for profit is a moral stand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever heard of selling short? If google is found liable for content on both youtube and google video, I would suspect their stocks to suffer. Mark Cuban is a pretty intelligent guy, although his methods may be "questionable".

    2. Re:Suing for profit is a moral stand? by kabocox · · Score: 1

      However, supporting an individual's lawsuit, not because of the principal involved, but because you don't like them and think they're stupid, that's... well, childish. That's putting ego as more important than justice, and in theory, that's what the whole court system is supposed to prevent.

      Isn't this just a form of vigilante justice by Cuban? "I don't like 'em, so they're going down."


      Didn't you read the part where it stated the guy has billions so is very rich by most standards? Um, I think that most courts worldwide have been rigged for either the rich or powerful to generally beable to win by better lawyers unless equally matched or it's clear that they are in the wrong. I think this guy could make more money by out doing google and youtube rather than sueing them, but let's face it's really hard to compete. MS and Yahoo are trying to compete with Google in the search realm. If it was easy, google wouldn't be number anymore. It's easy for him to sue though.

    3. Re:Suing for profit is a moral stand? by bugnuts · · Score: 2, Insightful

      supporting an individual's lawsuit, not because of the principal involved, but because you don't like them and think they're stupid, that's... well, childish.
      This is a billionaire and his interests are not "principles", they are "principle".

      There is money involved, and like any entrepreneur, he wants what doesn't belong to him. If he can make a gamble and win, he can tap gootube for a lot of cash.

      As someone else stated, he needs a real hobby. Litigation is not a good one. He's worse than the ambulance-chaser ... instead he is an ambulance-chaser-chaser.

    4. Re:Suing for profit is a moral stand? by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1
      People with inflated egos and too much money are always dangerous, first to others and then probably to themselves as well. Now I am not sure if they always had inflated egos or it was the money that did it to them, probably the former is the case. You should have watched Cuban's show on TV a couple of years back where he gave a winner of his little contest $1M. He might have sold Yahoo just at the right time but he still is an arrogant 12 year old that tries to get attention to himself and brag.


      Out of the "surprise" tech billionaires of the late 90's, I like Shuttleworth, because he is giving back to the Linux community, Cuban on the other hand is just suing everyone who he thinks is "better" than him...

    5. Re:Suing for profit is a moral stand? by kinglink · · Score: 1

      The EFF isn't buying out Napster to prevent a suit. They arn't buying a company to sue someone else.

      I disagree with the EFF but Cuban is a different animal all together. He's buying a company (for what ever reason) so he can sue google. If he really cared about the content then he would just donate the money for their law suit.

      I would put cuban more akin to a terrorist. First he says "they are going down" then he goes and buys the company that's suing them to make sure they go down. If he was just a vigilante I have to imagine he'd sue them himself.

      Read some of the other comments, it sounds like Cuban is just simply "ego", no justice.

    6. Re:Suing for profit is a moral stand? by Afrosheen · · Score: 1

      You'd probably try to start a TV show and show off your millions if you looked like Frankenberry also. http://tech-fix.com/compare.jpg

  14. I am the boss! by AdamGott · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Jeez, Mark Cuban is a whiney little brat (or substitute your own word that begins with a B here). You guys need to learn that just because you have all the money you don't get to make all of the rules. Most of them, sure, but not all. Go to news.google.com and search for Mark Cuban and see for yourself...

    1. Re:I am the boss! by macshome · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Bacon?

    2. Re:I am the boss! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jeez, Mark Cuban is a whiney little bulbousness (or substitute your own word that begins with a B here). You guys need to learn that just because you have all the money you don't get to make all of the rules. Most of them, sure, but not all. Go to news.google.com and search for Mark Cuban and see for yourself...

    3. Re:I am the boss! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mark Cuban is an egomaniac that struck it rich in the oil fields of the dot bomb. He doesn't think that he controls it all because he has the money, he just uses his money as a vehicle to glorify himself and his rather large mouth.

    4. Re:I am the boss! by J.R.+Random · · Score: 1

      You guys need to learn that just because you have all the money you don't get to make all of the rules.

      This is the United States of America. The people with all the money do get to make all the rules. What is interesting here is that both sides have "all the money". The winners will be the lawyers.

    5. Re:I am the boss! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't you being the bitch? If Cuban made all his money from foisting broadcast.com onto Yahoo then he earned his money. He can do what he wants with it. ..and he does.

  15. What is he getting? by jense · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Mark Cuban is a maverick in a lot of ways. I have actually had the pleasure of meeting him several times during the course of my previous job here in Dallas, and in-person and in everday situations (I've spoken with him both in a business and casual setting), he is a cordial, and generally "normal" person. But he is not not stupid. Maverick is a good word for him, as he may not always be diplomatic or smart about his emotional reactions, but he is definitely not dumb when it comes to many business decisions. My question is: what is he getting out of this? Is it a pride thing? So needs to be right he's cast his lot with the opponents? The money motivator is there, but it's not like he needs more. I think he may be bored and just needs something to focus on that he feels is a sure thing.

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    1. Re:What is he getting? by drooling-dog · · Score: 1

      But he is not not stupid.

      Your double negative baffles and confuses me...

    2. Re:What is he getting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought it was pretty clear.

      But he is not not stupid

      He's saying that he's stupid.

    3. Re:What is he getting? by kfg · · Score: 1

      The money motivator is there, but it's not like he needs more.

      I'm not sure you understand what motivates people who are motivated to acquire that sort of money.

      Hint: it is not the need for money as most of us understand it.

      KFG

    4. Re:What is he getting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your double negative baffles and confuses me...

      That's because you're not not stupid. :)

    5. Re:What is he getting? by Milican · · Score: 1

      Dude. He is getting money out of this. If Google + YouTube succeeds it means that Yahoo + Broadcast.com did not, or at least they can edge ahead. As the article states Mark and company sold Broadcast.com to Yahoo,

      "He sold his Internet radio broadcast company, Broadcast.com, to Yahoo! (YHOO) for more than $5 billion in 1999 and is reportedly worth well over a billion dollars."

      So Mark Cuban bitching about Microsoft is like Bill Gates bitching about Linux.

      JOhn

    6. Re:What is he getting? by vidarh · · Score: 1

      If you bother to check more about him you will also see that he was one of the few dot-com boom guys that diversified his portfolio very quickly - he's still worth around $1.8 billion (he supposedly got around $5 billion of the around $5.7 billion from the Broadcast.com sale). In other words, he sold off a damn lot of the Yahoo shares he got.

  16. Why you ask... by C_Kode · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why you ask would an owner of a sports franchise care? Because he isn't just the owner the the Dallas Mavericks. He is a media guy who owns HD-Net. An broadcasting and media company that creates HD media and of course the last thing he wants is his media to appear on YouTube. He is a wannbe Ted Turner/Rupert Murdoc.

    1. Re:Why you ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one was asking 'why', but thanks for the information!

    2. Re:Why you ask... by falcon5768 · · Score: 1
      Actually I think a lot of us where. I for the life of me couldnt figure out from the thing why he was so concerned about Youtube and Google. Now I know, not only does he have a network that he's afraid his content will end up on, he also has a search engine.

      So its really just a lot of chest-beating.

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  17. Mark Cuban is a moron. by Riverman5 · · Score: 1

    Mark Cuban is a moron. He's one of those people who accidentally gets rich and thinks he's larger than life.

    1. Re:Mark Cuban is a moron. by Valafar · · Score: 1

      On the CNBC show The Big Idea With Donny Deutsch, Donny interviewed Donald Trump a few nights ago. Trump's summary of Cuban is direct and to the point: "Cuban is a loser and will always be a loser." More battles in a feud between Trump and Cuban. Quite hilarious to observe.

  18. heh by forrestf · · Score: 1

    well, i have a feeling that google will win, as well its, google, shoot it even has its own verb "Google It",

    "If all else fails, use C4"

  19. No...he's just bored by Hegemony · · Score: 1

    His utopia has gotten boring so he is just looking for something new to give him a rise. "Man I am sick of yelling at refs. Hey, is that Google over there lookin' at me funny?"

  20. A stupid billionaire vs 'the people' by unity100 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who do you think will win ?

    1. Re:A stupid billionaire vs 'the people' by Dhalka226 · · Score: 1

      The stupid billionaire, almost always. Or at least that's how it has seemed to work thus far.

    2. Re:A stupid billionaire vs 'the people' by Ant+P. · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lawyers.

    3. Re:A stupid billionaire vs 'the people' by LifeWithJustin · · Score: 1

      The most honest thing I've seen on here today is this answer.

  21. Too much free time by future+assassin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Image if people put that much effort/money into helping out their communities instead of childish vendettas.

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    1. Re:Too much free time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, he justifies his asshat comments by donating money to charities every time the NBA fines him; he mathces his fine to charities. It looks nice on paper, but it's also a flamboyant way of saying "I don't have to play by the rules because I'm rich."

  22. Good ol'Cuban by trybywrench · · Score: 1

    My studio is maybe 2 blocks from his loft in Deep Ellum (art neighborhood in dallas). He's known for being "out there" and he's the butt of a lot of jokes around here but deep down everyone loves him. Our neigborhood association president knows him and thinks the world of him.

    it's awfully ambitious but if anyone can pull this off it would be him.

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  23. Let me tell you what he is getting by unity100 · · Score: 1

    He has probably been financed&backed&induced to do this by the big-money/telco monopolist circles, and is now doing their bidding in order to weaken opposition.

    but the opposition is big and getting bigger.

  24. Well at least it's only hurting the kids... by angrykeyboarder · · Score: 1

    since us grownups prefer more sophisticated entertainment.

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  25. What a jerk. by Qwavel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are lots of people out there throwing the little bits of money they have at charities and other causes that they think will make the world a better place.

    Contrast with this guy.

    1. Re:What a jerk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually Cuban donates shitloads to charities. Every fine he's endured as a NBA Team Owner he's matched by donating to Charity. So according to my calculations, he's donated well over $500,000.00 dollars to charities just from getting fined from the sidelines.

      So when was the last time you donated some money to charity? Who's the jerk now? The one who speaks without knowing a little more background info.

    2. Re:What a jerk. by centerfire · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's .038% of his net worth, which according to Forbes is 1.3BIL. I'll bet most people have given far over that percentage to charity, on an annual basis.

    3. Re:What a jerk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's only the amounts he's given to fines. He also started the http://www.fallenpatriotfund.org/ which I think he matches every donation and contribution as well.

      So how much of your networth have you donated? Does your amount match what Mark has donated? Didn't think so! $1 or $500,000.00, what does it matter, he donates money and a shit load of it. Some never see $500,000.00 in their lifetime.

      Are you really going to criticise someone cause they're worth 1.3 billion and don't donate a particular percentage of it?

    4. Re:What a jerk. by Qwavel · · Score: 1


      First, I don't think I even know anyone who donates a smaller percentage of their net value to charity (and they do so every year). And I'm talking about middle class people without lots of extra cash.

      Second, most of these people I'm talking about don't pick their charities based on maximum publicity. This guy must be planning to run for political office.

      If you are asking whether my donations match Mark's in absolute dollars, then obviously that is a stupid question. Personnally I think these billionaires should be able to afford to give a much larger percentage of their wealth (and many do). What Mark gives is pitiful.

      Compare with Buffet.

    5. Re:What a jerk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's absurd. Just because your a millionaire or billionaire does not mean you should give most of it away to charities or a larger percentage. They can donate what they want, it's their money.

      And if I recall recently, Buffet only recently started to give away larger sums of his money to charity since I'm sure he's realized he's getting old and really doesn't need 40 something billion he can't take with him. Comparing one to Buffet is pointless in charitable donations without knowing exactly how much Cuban has given away. Who knows, he could be making anonymous donations left and right, but even then, $500,000.00 is a lot of money. And a million to start off the Patriot Fund he organized and runs seems charitable to me. It's not always the amount given, it's the context behind giving.

      Also take into consideration, Mark Cuban might be worth 1.3 Billion dollars, that doesn't necessarily mean he has 1.3 Billion dollars. I know several people that claim they are millionaires but they don't necessarily have a million dollars, net worth != dollar amount. Bills Gates is worth 48 billion or whatever, doesn't mean he has 48 Billion lying around.

      But then again, I was trying to make a point in saying what percentage of your wealth do you donate to charities? Probably doesn't even compare, but who cares anyways about the amount.

  26. "Goo Tube"?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Frankly, that really sounds (visualizes) disgusting ...

  27. This just in... by drc003 · · Score: 1, Troll

    ...Mark Cuban is still a loudmouth jackass. In related news if Google comes out on top I predict Cuban will blame the loss on a conspiracy between the NBA referees and David Stern.

    1. Re:This just in... by drc003 · · Score: 0

      Modded a troll for telling the truth about Cuban? Funny. Sorry if I hurt your feelings Mr. Mavs fan.

    2. Re:This just in... by HoboMaster · · Score: 1

      Nope, modded troll for being an idiot troll.

      BTW, he's stated very publicly that there's no was a conspiracy could ever happen in the NBA. It's too public of an organization for a secret like that to be kept under wraps. He does, however, feel that the Mavs were the butt of some very bad calls in the finals, which most people watching that series agree with.

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    3. Re:This just in... by drc003 · · Score: 1

      You want to call me an idiot while coming up with that lame explanation. Please. You're sorry excuse may have some value if it weren't for the fact that this isn't even remotely a singular issue inviolving last years finals. The guy has been fined so many times for using the refs as excuse it's pathetic. This whole google/youtube issue is just one more lame moment to add to many for Cuban.

      I for one was pulling for the Mavs in last years finals but in the end they choked. Sadly neither you or Cuban can admit this. Even worse you feel the need to call me an idiot due to your blinding bias.

    4. Re:This just in... by HoboMaster · · Score: 1

      The Mavs choked. Not arguing that. It pissed me and everyone in Dallas off. Doesn't make the refs' calls acceptable. Cuban has been fined for arguing with the refs and calling them idiots, which they frequently are, but he's never claimed that the NBA is trying to cheat him, just that refs frequently make bad calls. Cuban's own words on why there's no conspiracy: http://www.blogmaverick.com/2006/06/20/the-nba-is- rigged-please/ And let me reiterate my earlier point: you're an idiot.

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    5. Re:This just in... by drc003 · · Score: 1

      Once again your completely blinding bias makes you the one here who is a complete idiot. Good day.

  28. Crazy, but right by realmolo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    YouTube and Google Video *are* full of copyrighted material. They *should* have some liability.

    Don't get me wrong. I think that the so-called "content-providers" should be HAPPY about the free advertising they get when clips of their stuff are posted on those sites. But we all know that they can't stand it, and that it is illegal. It probably shouldn't be, but it is.

    And you know what? It doesn't seem fair that in a world where the RIAA is forcing grandmothers to cough up thousands and thousands of dollars for unknowingly sharing Britney Spears tunes from their PC, that big corporations like Google get a free ride.
     

  29. and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    And we know Mark Cuban from where? Oh...thats right, his money, and not from anything really noteworthy that he has done. good, that settles things. Google=innovative technology company that continues to lead, Cuban=Lucky rich guy with sports team and Television channels, and a technology company that no one has heard of. Now I kind of understand why he is upset.

  30. It's a gamble by rolfwind · · Score: 1

    Google bought what could be the future of the internet's video content distribution. It could compete with TV in a few years. Shows might be available for sale there with Google's micropayments. Etcetera.

    It's a risk, yes, but a calculated gamble.

    It's not particularly expensive, Yahoo bought Broadcast.com in the billions (5bn, though I don't know how much of that was overinflated stock) and that seems to be a total dud:

    http://news.com.com/Yahoo+completes+Broadcast.com+ acquisition/2100-1023_3-228762.html

  31. Knockon effect. by malkavian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Cuban is successful in getting a judge to rule that takedown is no longer good enough to prevent a site being sued for copyright infringement, how long do you think it'll be before no site allows anything to be uploaded, as they can no longer afford the resources to work out if it's copyright or not, and can't afford the legal fees for even a few infringements?

    This would be disastrous for the net. And for everyone in general, apart from those big media conglomerates who only transmit on their own content. This could, in one fell swoop, turn the internet from the mass of information it is now to just another broadcast mechanism for the big distribution channels (*IAA etc).

    1. Re:Knockon effect. by AtomicJake · · Score: 1

      If Cuban is successful in getting a judge to rule that takedown is no longer good enough to prevent a site being sued for copyright infringement, how long do you think it'll be before no site allows anything to be uploaded, as they can no longer afford the resources to work out if it's copyright or not, and can't afford the legal fees for even a few infringements?

      Exactly. Upload sites like YooTube, dailymotion, etc. will disappear (if Google loses).

      This would be disastrous for the net. And for everyone in general, apart from those big media conglomerates who only transmit on their own content.

      No, it would not. It would just be the Word Wide Web as always -- but without sites that publish videos, music etc. from unknown sources. What exactly does mankind win from sites that publish videos posted (more or less) anonymously and mostly taken from other sources (i.e. mostly never self-produced)?

      This could, in one fell swoop, turn the internet from the mass of information it is now to just another broadcast mechanism for the big distribution channels (*IAA etc).

      I beg to differ: It would turn the Internet from a mass of over-and-over replicated content to real user generated content. And it may turn off those content aggregator sites. It may actually encourage people to publish under their own names on their own Web sites.

      I don't think that we would lose any real information. And if you need to look on all those flashy videos than you'll maybe fall for the big media industry. But then, it's because you are addicted to their contents -- not because YooTube does not deliver the fix for free anymore.

    2. Re:Knockon effect. by crabpeople · · Score: 1
      "This could, in one fell swoop, turn the internet from the mass of information it is now to just another broadcast mechanism for the big distribution channels (*IAA etc)."

      Although I agree this guy sounds like a douche (except for the comments here about people who live in the same hood as him), but no one is going to "kill" the internet. What would most likely happen is that the internet would fracture. One half being a corporate based ad laden myspace tie-in shopfest, and the other being an underground free knows-a-guy-who-knows-a-guy expression of human creativity and ingenuity.

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    3. Re:Knockon effect. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be nice to think this would reduce the amount of copyrighted material respawning everywhere and encourage "real user generated content". Unfortunately, there will be no sites on which to host that content, because they'll all be too afraid of being sued. It wouldn't be safe for a company to let anonymous users upload audio video or pictures, or host a website, or build a myspace profile, or post to /. or any other forum. Any of these give users the ability to violate copyright, and the company that provided that ability would liable. No, this would spell the end of user generated content.

    4. Re:Knockon effect. by asuffield · · Score: 1
      If Cuban is successful in getting a judge to rule that takedown is no longer good enough to prevent a site being sued for copyright infringement, how long do you think it'll be before no site allows anything to be uploaded, as they can no longer afford the resources to work out if it's copyright or not, and can't afford the legal fees for even a few infringements?


      Never. But they'll all move out of the US in under a month, to countries where copyright isn't quite so back-arsewards.
  32. mark who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who is this asswipe?

  33. Just speculation but... by niola · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Mark Cuban made his money selling Broadcast.com to Yahoo, so is it possible he still has a stake in Yahoo and this is nothing more than a territorial piss and moan contest at the competition?

    1. Re:Just speculation but... by stud9920 · · Score: 1
      Mark Cuban made his money selling [a *boring* domain name]
      Those were the days...
    2. Re:Just speculation but... by wfberg · · Score: 1

      Mark Cuban made his money selling Broadcast.com to Yahoo, so is it possible he still has a stake in Yahoo and this is nothing more than a territorial piss and moan contest at the competition?

      Of course. If he just wanted to make money out of Google's impending utter failure, he'd put his money where his mouth is not by sueing them, but by shorting the stock.

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  34. Google Wins by D4rk+Fx · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Google Wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  35. Re:First posting. by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

    In Soviet Russia, nuclear wessels look vor you!

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  36. Mark Cuban Declares War on GooTube by lixee · · Score: 1
    Mark Cuban Declares War on GooTube
    Tomorrow's headline: Slashdotters Declare War On Mark Cuban!
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    1. Re:Mark Cuban Declares War on GooTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      lixee (863589) writes:
      Mark Cuban Declares War on GooTube
      Tomorrow's headline: Slashdotters Declare War On Mark Cuban!

      A more probable /. headline for tomorrow would be:

      "Mark Cuban Declares War on GooTube" :)
  37. vendetta ? by MoFoQ · · Score: 1

    geez....now this is proof that he's a nut case.
    he's gonna waste his time and money on something as stupid as this?

    why doesn't he spend it on his Dallas Mavericks?
    According to the NBA Conference scores page, his Mavericks are getting creamed by the LA Clippers... (3:4 for the Mavs, and 5:2 for the Clippers)

  38. What to do.... by Siener · · Score: 1

    ...when you are caught with your foot in your mouth.

    Well it seems like Mark Cuban thinks the solution is to insert your other foot as well ... oh, and your wallet.

    He was way wrong on Google & youtube the first time and I'm sure that he is even more wrong now.

  39. Cuban seems like what most /.ers want to be by paladinwannabe2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to Wikipedia, Mark Cuban was a software salesman who became rich through selling his company. He's a libertarian and objectivist. He's not a moron, and certainly not a suit. I may disagree with his attack on Google here, but that doesn't mean I think he's stupid.

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  40. Mark Cuban by 8ball629 · · Score: 1

    I bet Mark Cuban was the stuck up jock asshole in high school. Funny, most of them become cops.

    1. Re:Mark Cuban by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what he was like in high school, but he and I were in the same fraternity at Indiana University.

      He was a pretty regular guy. Easy to get along with and all that. Liked to party but we all kind of overdid that.

    2. Re:Mark Cuban by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Frat boys.

    3. Re:Mark Cuban by Caiwyn · · Score: 1

      Actually, most of them become high-level excutives and businessmen who are now outsourcing your ass to India, thanks to the no-pass-no-play rules that forced them to make decent grades, and the competitive atmosphere of sports that turned them into go-getters while you spent all your time playing video games in your mom's basement.

      Seriously, most of us have grown out of that tired, cliched worldview dominated by high school stereotypes that weren't even accurate in high school.

    4. Re:Mark Cuban by 8ball629 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that outsourcing idea was a great one, now they're outsourcing themselves... oops.

      I don't see outsourcing lasting too long anyway, the quality of service you get from companies that outsource is very low and the customer service is lower.

      For your information, I'm from a small farm community in the mid-west and the stereotypes were no inaccurate because most of those jocks are still back home farming while I moved out on my own 3 days after graduating high school to pursue a degree halfway across the country.

      It also sounds like you haven't "grown" out of any of the asshole part.

    5. Re:Mark Cuban by FrostedChaos · · Score: 2, Funny

      So let me get this straight: "most people" become "high level executives"? Um, I thought there were only a few of those guys.

      You're tired of stereotypes, so you trot out the old "mom's basement" expression?

      And what the fuck does "go-getter" mean?
      Better get those TPS reports on my desk PDQ, or I'm going to proactively synergize my boot up your ass.

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    6. Re:Mark Cuban by 8ball629 · · Score: 1

      Thank You.

  41. When in doubt... by SuperStretchy · · Score: 1

    I find that when there's a retaliatory action such as this, there's either some cash or pride/ego on the line. Since he stands to lose money on this, one must wonder if one of his financial advisors told him to buy youtube previously and he declined.

    Or maybe his daughter lost "Battle of the Lipsync Bands"

  42. The stupid billionaire? by TrekkieGod · · Score: 1

    Now, if "the people" weren't generally speaking stupid themselves I might disagree, but...

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    Warning: Opinions known to be heavily biased.

    1. Re:The stupid billionaire? by unity100 · · Score: 1

      but 'the people' are way too many

    2. Re:The stupid billionaire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft already won against 'the people'.

    3. Re:The stupid billionaire? by unity100 · · Score: 1

      and how so ? it is losing profits at all fronts and frantically imitating other companies ?

  43. Re:The Classic Battle by eno2001 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Who in the FUCK modded me down as overrated?! I was making a valid point. as immature as it may seem, when it comes down to money in "grown up" life, it seems that the jocks who make it big STILL like to pound down the geeks. Do you honestly think there would be business people into computers if it wasn't profitable? They buy into the internet thing because they suddenly developed brains, they got into it because it's where the money was. Where as the geeks (guys like the two that started Google) got into it for the love of computing. But as soon as it all becomes VERY profitable, then the idiot jock hordes come in to get their slice of the action and they try to make sure that the geeks get "put in their place". I speak the truth and you fucks who mod me down know it. That's why you're modding me down. Fuck you! Fuck you with a red hot soldering iron!

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  44. Well then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Release the Kraken!

  45. GooVericks? by Ruvim · · Score: 1

    It will be interesting to see that after several years of legal battle and billions of dollars wasted, Google would take over Mavericks, thus giving us GooVerics!

    1. Re:GooVericks? by dj_krztoff · · Score: 1

      Or MOOGLES!!! Final Fantasy nerds REJOICE!!

  46. Re:Liability by decipher_saint · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Google/YouTube did not upload copyrighted material to itself and it is not responsible for policing itself. If a copyright holder finds material they report it and it gets pulled.

    The counter-argument is that should there be a system of active moderation? Well, I look at this way. Should Ginsu send a man 'round to every customer's house every now and then to ensure that no one is misusing their Ginsu knife?

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  47. Crazy, and wrong by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 4, Informative

    The DMCA is supposed to mean that YouTube and Google are not responsible for what their users upload, but are obliged to remove all copyrighted material when requested to do so by the copyright holders.

    This is one thing the DMCA got right, without such a protection of service providers, it would be impossible to run a site like /. where anyone can upload copyrighted material.

    1. Re:Crazy, and wrong by AtomicJake · · Score: 1

      This is one thing the DMCA got right, without such a protection of service providers, it would be impossible to run a site like /. where anyone can upload copyrighted material.

      But there are clear differences: Count the amount of material copyrighted by others than the poster on slashdot and compare this with the amount of material copyrighted by others than the poster on YouTube. Make the same for percentages.

      Basically, you are saying that the DMCA allows hosting huge amounts of material from unknown sources until the copyright owners complain, while if you do this on a P2P network your are guilty at once. While this might be true (legally), I doubt that this was intended. And, I think Google doubts it as well; why should they put M200$ to the side otherwise?

  48. Ted Turner wannabe? by ripcrd · · Score: 1

    Does that mean he will also be the next Captain Planet? (ref. RobotChicken, avail. on YouTube, for now)

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  49. New Update! This just! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mark Cuban is gay. I repeat. Mark Cuban, is gay. Thank you.

    1. Re:New Update! This just! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gootoobe is the name of a well know perverted homosexual practice.

      The "Ice Rocket" is another one.

  50. Mixed feelings about Cuban. by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 1

    I remember liking him quite a bit on the Grokster case, e.g.

    "When content went digital, the floodgates opened. Content could be delivered digitally in thousands of different ways, and the number of methods for distribution would only expand over time. To me this meant the power of the gatekeepers would diminish and the power of independent content creators and owners would increase"

    http://www.blogmaverick.com/2005/03/26/let-the-tru th-be-told-mgm-vs-grokster/

    but your narrative here really strikes me as the only explanation why he's gone over to the dark side... grokster lost so he figured he'd like to be a gatekeeper?

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    1. Re:Mixed feelings about Cuban. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then he threw a chair.

  51. Re:The Classic Battle by mcpkaaos · · Score: 3, Funny

    You sure you didn't mean to type 'emo2001' when you signed up?

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  52. Re:The Classic Battle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OT, I know, but please don't mention Ballmer. The last thing this discussion needs is jokes about Ballmer and squirting.

    *goes off to wash his brain out with soap to try to eliminate the image that statement inspired*

  53. YouTube has been down for 24 hours now by Animats · · Score: 1

    Nobody has mentioned that all of YouTube has been down for "scheduled downtime" for "new concoctions and formulas" for about 24 hours now. Something drastic is happening over there. That's far too long for a simple site update.

    A frantic purge of copyrighted content may be underway. They already had one purge, right after the acquisition. They were down for most of a day for that one, too. This downtime is already much longer than the last one.

    Cuban might be right.

    1. Re:YouTube has been down for 24 hours now by Animats · · Score: 1

      YouTube is back up, and there's definitely been a purge.

    2. Re:YouTube has been down for 24 hours now by DanielG42 · · Score: 1

      It's up and running for me.
      Was last night too..
      Might want to clear that cache or something.

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      Daniel
    3. Re:YouTube has been down for 24 hours now by MrP-(at+work) · · Score: 1

      umm? i was using it yesterday and it wasnt down.. i just went right now and its not down either

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  54. Sorry but... by HuckleCom · · Score: 0

    Google will stomp his guts out.

  55. The law in not murky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    their rights in an area where the law is murky.

    Umm, the law is not murky in this area at all. youtube is a cespool of copyright infringment.

    I am not sayign I agree with the law in this case but there is no murk there.

    I personally see YouTube as more of a privecy concern then anything else bu tthat is just me. I know personally, i woudl sue the fuck out of somebody if i was ever in a video posted to it. Once you publicy display a private recording, you loose the right to call it a private recording and are liable for its contents.

  56. goo girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a German version of this but for girls, check it out at www.germangoogirls.com

  57. Gootube? by caffiend666 · · Score: 1

    Sorry, that's a new one. Gootube? Is that the time machine the Gooback's came through in that one Southpark episode? Are there Goodita's involved? Is Google becomming so powerful that we need to start studying Goospeak? Are we going to need to start calling it Goo/Linux? If Google wins, can we call him Mark Gooban? Mark, you goo baby!

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  58. Re:Cuban seems like what most /.ers want to be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ahhh, that explains everything... all Randian Objectivists are superheros... at least the way Rand writes them... that's why Cuban thinks he can conquer the world... I bet he thinks he's John Galt... (I want to live it fantasy land too!)

  59. Mark Cuban vs. Donald Trump by British · · Score: 1

    The last competition I heard of form Mark Cuban was going up against The Apprentice with his own show. Needless to say, it bombed. Trump himself said "I killed him", and he(Trump) also beat out Branson's similar show.

    1. Re:Mark Cuban vs. Donald Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess Cuban and Branson are just going to be content with knowing that they have actually made money in their lifes rather than breaking barely even from their fathers inheritance.

    2. Re:Mark Cuban vs. Donald Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leave George Bush Jr out of this!

    3. Re:Mark Cuban vs. Donald Trump by raftpeople · · Score: 1

      When I saw that some guy named "Cuban" was going to try to duplicate and compete with Trump's show I had the following thoughts:
      1) Why does this person think he can compete with Trump in this entertainment venture when he has zero "mindshare" associated with his name compared to Trump?
      2) Why would we want 2 shows like the apprentice?

      My conclusion was that he must have an ego that was clouding his judgement on that particular deal.

      A non-ego driven approach would have been to fund a show that is hosted by an already popular and interesting personality.

      Just my opinion.

  60. More on Grokster precedent by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 1

    MGM won grokster b/c of the latter's active inducement. Cuban is well aware that Gootube is not actively inducing infringement; quite the opposite. He is therefore doing his damnedest to expand the grokster decision beyond its actual holding, and to profit from the expansion, at the expense of the users.

    the Supreme Court's Grokster opinion, properly interpreted, strikes an appropriate balance. It preserved secondary liability as a powerful tool against copyright infringement. At the same time, it declined to adopt theories of liability, offered by the content industry, that would have overturned or pared back the rule established in the 1984 Sony Betamax case that protects distributors of products with substantial noninfringing uses
    http://stlr.stanford.edu/STLR/Perspectives/06_STLR _3/CDT-grokster.pdf

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  61. Re:Cuban seems like what most /.ers want to be by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Insightful
    He's a libertarian and objectivist. He's not a moron...


    Wait, which is it: "He's a libertarian and objectivist" or "He's not a moron"? You can't have it both ways. Okay, I'm joking a little there, but...

    ...and certainly not a suit.


    Wait, you say he's a "salesman who got rich selling his company" and then you say he's "not a suit"? That's, um, well pretty common for a "suit". Indeed, most people would say that if your a salesman that got rich selling a company, and now own an NBA franchise, you are clearly a "suit".

    Anyway, I think you are pretty crazy if you think most slashdotters want to be salesmen, whether of software or otherwise.
  62. And all because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...some whiney billionaire with a bloated ego wants it that way.

    But that's the free market, right? Billionaires raping your tech and stagnating the market with their crappy products. Just fine and dandy!

  63. Re:The Classic Battle by eno2001 · · Score: 1
    Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!! Hee Hee Hee HeeHee!!! Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo!!!!! ... ... ... Mbwahahahahahahahahaha!!!
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  64. Cuban owns a TV network - net video seen as threat by Splork · · Score: 1

    Mark Cuban owns HDNet. Video over the internet becoming popular is a direct threat to his current holdings.

  65. Re:Liability by GalacticCmdr · · Score: 1
    Google/YouTube did not upload copyrighted material to itself and it is not responsible for policing itself. If a copyright holder finds material they report it and it gets pulled.

    That is like saying, "I didn't rob that bank I only drove the car. I also did not see the bank being robbed since I was parked in the street. I did not see they were armed because I had my eyes clothes, neither did I hear the gunshots because I had my fingers in my ears and was singing 'La La La'."

    That is why Kinkos, PIP, and the others all have those signs about copying copy-writed materials using their machines - they can be held accountable if a reasonable person would have known what was happening.

    Personally I predict GTube will succeed because they have methods in place to remove copy-writed material. Thus a copy-write holder simply has to show that they do indeed own the copy-write and it will get removed. I imagine they might be able to claim a "common carrier" type of protection. Using the various P2P lawsuits as a guide it will turn on if the majority of the site contains violations of copywrite.

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  66. Am I the only one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that thought GooTube was some new adult website?

  67. Who'd a thunk it? by haggie · · Score: 1

    Never expected the phrase "pompous Cuban windbag" would make me think of anyone but Fidel...

  68. John Edward's Successor? by g33uu · · Score: 1

    Maybe we have a new contestant emerging for the next "Biggest Douche in the Universe" crown.

  69. Re:Cuban seems like what most /.ers want to be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If I had some improbable ideal it would be to win a Fields Medal for some important contribution to the field of mathematics and to do half as interesting work in engineering as Nikola Tesla, and not to have made it rich during the dot bomb for selling a company to Yahoo. Objectivism appeals to teenage males and those with delusions of self-importance that lack the logical abilities to read Rand's work and not see that it is nonsensical. Libertarianism appeals to people that prefer consistent simplistic idealizations to working with reality. So please consider me a contrary datapoint or a member of what you would call the minority of "/.ers."

    I actually agree with his position that Google should be liable for the contents of YouTube, because they host and profit from the distribution of copyrighted content, which composes the bulk of the material viewed on YouTube. I agreed that Napster should be similarly liable for precisely the same reason. I also agreed with Cuban's position that P2P companies should not be held liable. I however would consider him to have at least inklings of idiocy, despite his financial successes. Though agreeing or disagreeing with someone has little to do with whether they are idiots, except in the corner cases where their position is clearly stupid rather than some subjective difference of opinion.

  70. Half jokingly -- :-/ by writermike · · Score: 1

    This guy used to be a Maverick.

    Now he's just an ass.

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  71. DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "YouTube and Google Video *are* full of copyrighted material. They *should* have some liability."

    Not if the law expressedly says otherwise. Copyright protects material released to the public by granting/keeping certain rights to the copyright owner. The DMCA (Digital Millenium COPYRIGHT Act) is in amongst those laws and it clearly and expreesedly shields online providers and services like Google. There are entire sections/titles in the DMCA stating LIMITED LIABILITY.

    "Don't get me wrong."

    I don't need to. You simply are.

    "I think that the so-called "content-providers" should be HAPPY about the free advertising they get when clips of their stuff are posted on those sites. But we all know that they can't stand it, and that it is illegal. It probably shouldn't be, but it is."

    It may be illegal, but as long as Google follows the safe harbor guidelines, Cuban is simply pouring his money down the toilet. iow, he can be right there's infringement, but not get a dime for it because the laws says he can't.

    Think of those provisions in the DMCA as similar to limited tort with car insurances or all that speak about trying to limit punitive damages for health insurance; it limits the liability of the profession or provider.

    "And you know what? It doesn't seem fair that in a world where the RIAA is forcing grandmothers to cough up thousands and thousands of dollars for unknowingly sharing Britney Spears tunes from their PC, that big corporations like Google get a free ride."

    2 x $#@! != right

    What the RIAA is doing is comparable to what Cuban intends to do here. He's protecting his assets since he owns several media outlets. He's doing it because he is the billion dollar holder. What he is doing, if successful (it won't be), would limit sites like YouTube and MySpace and even regular ISPs from hosting ANYTHING since there would be *no protection* whatsoever of them. He is the RIAA, and YouTube is more like mp3.com or some smaller site grown big that it sucking away money from the RIAA.

    My take--He's wrong, he knows he's wrong, and he doesn't care. The free publicity riding the Google paparazzi will be of far more worth than a few million he loses in litigation. Buying another company? He probably was thinking of doing so anyways, since he might be able to angle a joint venture a la a settlement.

  72. Re:Liability by remmelt · · Score: 1

    Content provider vs. access provider. On the one hand we have the websites, on the other the ISP. Now if a judge would rule youtube an access providing service, it would then follow it does not need to police the content it channels (see ISPs). IANAL YMMV IMHO ETC

  73. Re:The Classic Battle by eno2001 · · Score: 1

    Woohoo! Now THAT's the spirit! Idiot #1 responds! Do I hear any other takers?

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  74. The guy is ALL hobbies by alexhmit01 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The guy owns HD Net (and the sister channel, HD Net Movies). When nobody was doing HD Content, he got HD rights to minor college games and NHL games, and built a little network there. He also bought the right to do transfers of old shows. He's an active participant on AVS Forum, explaining what is going on in the HD world. The craziest thing, you could only get HD Net from DirecTV and a local Texas station for its first few years. He bought a local television station just to run HD Net OTA to prove that OTA HD was practical.

    When I met him very briefly (like 1 second) at CES some years back, watching him speak was amazing, not for what he said, but to hear the AWE from the representatives of companies like TI that were talking about how nobody did more for their industry than him.

    The man has loads of money, and is spending it to push things that he believes will make the world a better place. He also has an ego the size of Texas. He had is own show on HD Net (where he could be a big dork but have his players on), and HD Net's coverage of CES was interviewing him.

    The guy made a fortune selling broadcast.com at JUST the right time, and is now pushing technology the way he wants it, where a few gambles can make a difference. HD Net's sports coverage forced ESPN to adopt HD content before they wanted to, and DirecTV used HD Net to anchor HD programming when there was almost no programming. If it wasn't for him, the local affiliates would have gotten their dream of HD being a fig leaf to get public airwaves, where 1/6 of the channel space would carry normal 480i programming, and 5/6s be sold for data services, etc. Instead, HD Net helped force everyone's hand, and HD is here and real.

    The guy's hobby appears to be bending public will to his, and he does a good job of it. While these "investments" may not have been profitable in a traditional sense (I doubt that he loses money, but he probably isn't getting a better ROI than having plowed his money into the S&P 500), it seems to have made him happy. He owns a basketball team, and he has a television network that buys the rights to do HD Transfers of whatever shows he wants to watch in HD. While the rest of us are at the mercy of the marketing departments guessing what we want, he can go make it happen. That's a pretty cool hobby.

    Alex

    1. Re:The guy is ALL hobbies by alienmole · · Score: 1
      watching him speak was amazing, not for what he said, but to hear the AWE from the representatives of companies like TI that were talking about how nobody did more for their industry than him.
      Uh, that's called "ass-kissing". ;) It doesn't actually mean anything, other than to signify that the kissers would like to get their hands on more of the kissee's money.
    2. Re:The guy is ALL hobbies by loid_void · · Score: 1

      And this, his latest blog entry as of Nov. 15. "I'm an investor in a company called Goowy Media. Its based in San Diego and is run by a bunch of smart guys who decided they were tired of everything on the net being built around HTML. So they decided to take Flash and turn it into a desktop environment. Their first product was Goowy.com . This past week they made a huge step forward when they introduced Yourminis.com/a . I'm sure you can figure it out. What a jerk.

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    3. Re:The guy is ALL hobbies by Real1tyCzech · · Score: 1, Interesting
      And one of the default "minis" on the default "yourmini" desktop?

      You guessed it...

      YouTube top videos.

      *laughs*

      This guy rocks.

  75. Re:The Classic Battle by Soporific · · Score: 1

    Yeah, why do you whine incessantly?

  76. HD and YouTube do not go together... by Vr6dub · · Score: 1

    I don't think he is worried about his HD content showing up on Youtube (most of it isn't really worth watching w/o HD).Youtube is not a media replacement in my mind, more like a supplement. It's great for showing someone last weeks SNL skit or some weird commercial that was just on tv. Unfortunately though when I think of nice HD content with great surround sound, I do NOT think of Youtube.

  77. This is what we call a... by mattwarden · · Score: 1

    self-fulfilling prophecy.

  78. Re:The Classic Battle by dj_krztoff · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't you be cutting yourself and posting on Myspace right now?

  79. Content owner by pacalis · · Score: 1

    Cuban is a loud mouth and egoist but not an idiot. Cuban is both a content owner and content provider. Primarily, he wants clear legal decisions in this area - without it why should anyone else license his content? But there also is a big profit upside out of the suit too.

  80. DMCA = License to copyright infringe? by LordRobin · · Score: 1
    The DMCA is supposed to mean that YouTube and Google are not responsible for what their users upload, but are obliged to remove all copyrighted material when requested to do so by the copyright holders.
    Think about what that means. Yes, YouTube removes copyrighted material as soon as it is aware, but more copyrighted material is posted as fast as they can remove it. This means that, at any given time, YouTube is full of copyrighted material, even if they are complying with the DMCA. And they're making money off it via advertising.

    Nice racket, huh? It's a way to make money off other people's property. Just remove the offending material at the same rate it comes in.

    Trust me, either a court will find that the DMCA doesn't allow this, or the DMCA will be amended to specifically forbid it.

    ------RM

    1. Re:DMCA = License to copyright infringe? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      So? there is nothing wrong with that.

      Copyright is dead. Get used to it.

      "Trust me, either a court will find that the DMCA doesn't allow this, or the DMCA will be amended to specifically forbid it."

      No, it explicitly state this, it is not an 'interpetation'.
      I suggest you read it. It's got good information on boat hulls.

      It would be interesting to see them try to modify the DMCA. It opens the door for other modification to happen at the same time.

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      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    2. Re:DMCA = License to copyright infringe? by bugnuts · · Score: 1

      Removing at the same rate it comes in is perfectly fine, and responsible for the media provider.

      Over any period of time, N contested copyrighted works will come in, and -N will account for the removal. Net total: 0.
      If you'd like, I can draw a numberline for you.

      Now, there's some latency between the time it's loaded, and the time it's taken down. But that will not account for your conjecture "YouTube is full of [contested/illegal]* copyrighted material". Based on your argument, YouTube only has as much copyrighted material as is uploaded during this latency period. And that might be very low. You cannot draw conclusions from your argument, only conjecture.

      Maybe you could produce some actual numbers of how many things have been challenged, and the amount of time to take it down, but I kind of doubt it. That might give an idea of how many contested copyrighted works are available at any particular time.

      * Other copyrighted material, the stuff the copyright holders don't care about, is immaterial for this argument of "being full of copyrighted material". Technically, everything is copyrighted the moment it's put into a fixed medium, but uploading it isn't necessarily a violation. I'm making the correct assumption that you're talking about copyrighted material that the copyright holder would object to.

    3. Re:DMCA = License to copyright infringe? by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      I can think of more than a few payroll companies who have N and -N (payroll processing is one of the big ones) but the time difference between the two was enough to account for a large stable portfolio and substantial income from those activities.

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  81. Mirror, Mirror by alexwcovington · · Score: 1

    Mr. Cuban got his money in almost exactly the same way YouTube just cashed out -- Broadcast.com was going to keep Yahoo! on the top, remember? But today Broadcast.com is a distant placer among today's user-controlled video distribution systems. Letting users upload files instead of waiting for behemoth megacorporations to join the 21st century has been a total revolution. Cuban must be jealous because he didn't think of it first.

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    (It's never too late to join the Renaissance)
  82. Never! by Phoenix666 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now listen up, Fi-del, you and your Cubans will NEVER take down GooTube as long as one drop of blood flows through our red, white, and blue veins!

    Stick THAT in your cigar and smoke it.

    --
    Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
  83. Champerty and Maitenance? by BlabberMouth · · Score: 1

    This sounds like a high level form of champerty to me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champerty

  84. menace by milimetric · · Score: 1

    This guy is a menace - positively malicious. What is he defending? Copyright? YouTube already has a way to do that, the offended parties can just flag their own videos. Anything more than that and it wouldn't be the brilliant communication medium that has brought so many people the world over together for debate and discussion. I personally think YouTube and the Internet are the culminations of incredible advancements in technology made by giants of history. It is what many men of vision have dreamed of since the beginning of time.

    So fuck you Cuban, with your fucked up ignorant mentality.

  85. Re:The Classic Battle by geekoid · · Score: 1

    now you've done it, he's going to go cut himself!

    remeber diagnal and deep.

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    The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  86. Re:The Classic Battle by eno2001 · · Score: 1

    More attempts to brand me emo? Hehe. Keep it up childrens. I'm getting immense amusement out of this new tactic. If you knew me in real life, you'd know how far from the truth you are. Now shut the fuck up and bring your asshole over here so I can brand you with this soldering iron.

    --
    -"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
  87. Re:Cuban seems like what most /.ers want to be by Dachannien · · Score: 1

    He's not a moron

    Even if we all concede that he's not a moron - and I'm not saying I do - he's still wrong.

  88. Re:Cuban seems like what most /.ers want to be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Wait, which is it: "He's a libertarian and objectivist" or "He's not a moron"? You can't have it both ways.

    That's exactly what I was thinking.

    Libertarians are idiots, living in a fantasy world where "the free market" determines everything. Sorry, but laissez-faire capitalism was an abject failure (see the depression in the 1870s), which is why it doesn't exist anymore. Capitalism needs extensive regulation and interference in the economy by the government just to survive. But the libertarians have no desire for taking reality into account. I bet that even Adam Smith, if he were alive today, would slap them upside the head and tell them to wake up.

    And as for objectivism, that has been the refuge of weak minds for a long time. It appeals strongly to young males with low self-esteem who need an individualistic "philosophical framework" to make themselves feel superior to others. Rand's writings are heavy on extreme individualism and going against the grain of the ignorant collective rabble (i.e. those who don't subscribe to her philosophy). It's an elitist self-contained "framework" that, if ever implemented on a large scale, would pit everyone against each other. Luckily, the vast majority of the adult world has rejected or ignored it. You can see the influence, though, on Mark Cuban. His gigantic objectivist-fueled ego is on full display at every Dallas Mavericks game he attends and in every interview he gives.
  89. Re:The Classic Battle by geekoid · · Score: 1

    overrated doesn't maen you have an invalid point numb nuts.

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  90. A thousand lawyers just got a raging hard-on by bill_kress · · Score: 1

    Hmm, the title's really all I had to say about this garbage.

  91. Re:The Classic Battle by eno2001 · · Score: 1

    Cut? What are you some kind of psycho? Why on earth would anyone cut themselves? Oh well... if the thought of that makes you feel better, I'm sure you have some middle school kids on your IM that can feed your fantasies. Go talk to them instead of posting on Slashdot.

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    -"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
  92. Re:The Classic Battle by mcpkaaos · · Score: 1

    If you knew me in real life, you'd know how far from the truth you are.

    I'll take a stab

    --
    It goes from God, to Jerry, to me.
  93. Re:The Classic Battle by eno2001 · · Score: 1

    Ooohhh.... thizzle!! You tell it like a pro girl! How long have you been gay?

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    -"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
  94. Re:The Classic Battle by Soporific · · Score: 1

    Wow, your e-penis is huge!

    ~S

  95. Re:The Classic Battle by eno2001 · · Score: 1

    Wow! Two responses from you. You must REALLY love abuse. And here you thought *I* was the emo fuck who likes to cut. So, let's find out more about you then geekoid... how long have you been cutting yourself and why do you do it? Is it because you feel you have no self worth and need to be an attention whore?

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    -"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
  96. Pot, meet the kettle's site. by mattgreen · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of how some people remain perpetually angry at a certain software company in Redmond.

  97. I think he's just pissed ... by 1+reply+beneath+your · · Score: 1

    ...cause his broadcast.com didn't quite reach the heights that youtube did ...

    1. Re:I think he's just pissed ... by vidarh · · Score: 1

      Broadcast.com was sold for $5.7 billion vs $1.65 billion for Youtube... Depends how you measure I guess.

    2. Re:I think he's just pissed ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but where is it now? The page just redirects to yahoo. I don't think it was worth 5.7B.

  98. GooTube? by soulshinejam · · Score: 1

    I swear to god I thought this was some kind of adult video spin-off like "Booble." Note to self, start spyware-free porno streaming web site.

  99. It wasn't ass kissing by alexhmit01 · · Score: 1

    He was giving an interview with HD Net's news division... it was hard hitting, I'm sure.

    The rep from TI (makers of DLP) was talking to someone else from TI and from one of the Korean television manufacturers (probably Samsung, but I don't recall). They weren't addressing him, they were talking to each other. He was 20 feet away, and couldn't hear what they were saying.

    He moved the industry, and people recognize that... especially the ones whose careers were heavily affected by his behavior.

    Alex

    1. Re:It wasn't ass kissing by alienmole · · Score: 1
      The rep from TI (makers of DLP) was talking to someone else from TI and from one of the Korean television manufacturers (probably Samsung, but I don't recall). They weren't addressing him, they were talking to each other. He was 20 feet away, and couldn't hear what they were saying.

      So you're saying they were practicing ass-kissing? I admire their dedication to the sport!

      I'm just kidding, Cuban's a cool guy, all the more so for the fact that he doesn't do what most businessmen do, which is play it safe, stick to the company line in every public utterance, and keep their real opinions to themselves.

    2. Re:It wasn't ass kissing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahah you're such a troll alienmole

  100. Now it's All Clear by eno2001 · · Score: 1

    I didn't know who Mark Cuban was. Then I went to Wikipedia to learn more. I see he is an Ayn Rand devotee. Loosely translated for normal people this means he's a "rational self-interested" dickhead who puts himself first above all else. Not the right way to live really. It might be the path of least resistance in terms of being relatively easy to do, but it sure produces nothing but assholes. Not to mention, Ayn Rand followers are about as "rational" as L. Ron Hubbard dupes in that goofball religion Scientology. Objectivism THIS dickheads!

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    -"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
  101. hummm by Danzigism · · Score: 1

    I'm still trying to understand what he has to be pissed about.. the man got lucky and won a bunch of money and bought a basketball team.. he needs to stfu and let people do their damn jobs.. who he is, has nothing to do with Google or Youtube, it just sounds like he wants attention.. i hate how just because people have tons of money, they can go around saying and doing whatever they want.. what the hell has google done to you personally Cuban?? not a damn thing.. he's probably just pissed because he wanted to buy youtube first..

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    *plays the Apogee theme song music*
  102. Re:The Classic Battle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    how long have you been cutting yourself and why do you do it? Is it because you feel you have no self worth and need to be an attention whore?

    Isn't this what psychologists call "projection" ?

    My ass is open and waiting for your soldering iron, but frankly I doubt it has either the length or the temperature required for me to even notice, so please let me know when you begin - I wouldn't want to further upset you by not vocalising appropriately when you demonstrate your prowess.

  103. Crazy, legally wrong, morally wrong. by ChaosDiscord · · Score: 1
    YouTube and Google Video *are* full of copyrighted material. They *should* have some liability.

    "Should" and $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee. Just as one should have the right to purchase DRM defeating devices for purposes of fair use, perhaps Google should be liable. However, it's still illegal to to create a DVD CSS descrambler, and it's Google legally has zero financial liability. You can thank the DMCA for both. Specifically under Title II of the DMCA, so long as Google is generally ignorant of the infringement and moves promptly to remove infringing materials when information, they're scott free.

    Besides, do you really want sites that host user submitted content to have to act like police; to increase their costs by hiring a bunch of people to screen incoming video; to delay posting material while it happens; to have legal content occasionally incorrectly blocked? In practice this will destroy great services with lots of legal and good uses. Of course this won't just apply to video, it applies to podcasts (goodbye iTunes podcast service), the millions of blogs (goodbye LiveJournal, MySpace, Blogger, Blogspot, and more), host user home pages (goodbye every free website), and more. The DMCA is a deeply evil law, but the safe harbor provisions are a really good idea that allow service providers to act (sort of) like common-carriers: the provide the service, the user is responsible. Indeed, suing Google over something a user uploaded is just as ridiculous as suing the company I pay for webhosting at because I've uploaded something infringing onto my own web site.

  104. Re:The Classic Battle by eno2001 · · Score: 1

    If your ass is that numb, then you've had far too much pleasuring. No soldering iron for you! Now off to sleep!

    --
    -"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
  105. Re:The Classic Battle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ha, ha... now you're modded flambé... suits you right, you french emo fuck!

  106. Re:The Classic Battle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All mouth and no soldering iron, eh?

    It's no surprise - it's typically those that talk the loudest that usually have least to talk about.

  107. fidiot by Sfing_ter · · Score: 1

    This has created a couple of new words for the english language...
    gootube = new pr0n tv channel
    fidiot = a fucking idiot, see: Mark Cuban

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  108. In related news... by theendlessnow · · Score: 1

    Novell announced they have made a partnership with the Los Angeles News Service in which they say that neither side will sue each other for copyright infringements. Novell will pay a royalty to LANS for every copy of SUSE Enterprise sold. LANS is open to doing a similar deal with companies like YouTube(Google).

  109. Re:Now it's All Clear SCORE 2 HAHA HAHAHA HAHH by cannuck · · Score: 0

    SCORE 2 - HAHA HAHAHA HAHH

  110. would you trust a Cuban? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess the broader question is would you trust a spic with the last name "Cuban" to know anything about where technology is heading?

  111. Trade-off between democracy and profit by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

    What is most important:

    1: That there are open fora where people can post their own ideas and expressions without being it pre-aproved before publishing by some kind of censor.

    2: That there are no place where people can post expressions copyrighted by other people without prior permission.

    We obviously can't have both be true at the same time. If YouTube must go, so must /.. Both makes it possible for people to publish copyrigted material, and both remove it per request. If you can successfully sue YouTube, you can also upload some copyrighted material of your own to /. as an AC, and then sue CmdrTaco for distributing it. Percentages don't matter to the law, it is based on principles.

    I believe #1 is very important to democracy, and that democracy is more important than the potential loss of profit implied by #2. Of course, I won't guarentee that your law makers feel the same way about the relative value of democracy and profit.

  112. billions ?!?!?!? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    With billions on both sides, this could be a real clash of the titans.
    /self : Exits stage left to re-train as a copyright lawyer.
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    Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
  113. Not Quite by AWG · · Score: 1
  114. Loser by twebb72 · · Score: 1

    He's convinced that he will make GooTube fail, so he sinks money into an opportunity to that end. Would you do business with this man? You know what, he will probably end up making money on it - and his children can be known as the son of a loser that clings to the nipple of a reputable company.

  115. fried?!? by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    Thank u for inwiting me to yur nice site. I hope I will make meny fried here!

    Dad ? is that you ? :)

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