Thats all fine and good for you, but here in America, they only think we have two parties that should be allowed to present their viewpoints.
That's what we should really be afraid of. We need to get past this two party nonsense and get more diverse political viewpoints, and the Fairness Doctrine won't get us there.
Yep. I think the action of trying to put someone in jail for 5 years for creating a blog criticizing you, will have great consequences for the congressman. Hopefully people will get fed up at our leaders recommending draconian punishment for the most trivial of things.
Before you comment about this from a political perspective, think about the kind of punishment proposed by the congressman within the context of a "three strikes" IP law that everyone seems to be clamoring for.
If super punitive punishments for things like this gain a foothold, look out, because they'll be coming into every aspect of your lives.
I know that they used them to come up with a proxy for temperature going back 1000 years. I also know that from 1960 on they don't act as their algorithm for generating the proxy data expects.
As a Computer Scientist I know that there is an issue with their algorithm if the proxy data generated from 1960 on does not match actual observed temperatures.
Knowing the full details of how their algorithm was developed and operates is not required in order to make a judgment of its viability when you see that it fails to correctly estimate temperatures for recent time. The algorithm is flawed from 1960 on, therefore it cannot be assumed that it is correct from 1960 back.
This goes back to the article's question of the public's perception of science. One common response often bandied about is that people critical of the science aren't "climate scientists." Well, they don't necessarily have to be. If a statistician looks at the large volumes of data the climate scientists work with and sees an error in analysis, it is valid to point it out. The methods and analysis tools that are being used here cross many disciplines, anyone from any of those disciplines is capable of making a judgment about the science from the vantage point of their particular discipline.
You are correct. In fact the actual data is better to use than the tree ring proxy data. BUT the tree ring proxy data is trending downward when temperatures are going up. This means that there is something fundamentally wrong with the calculation of a proxy temperature from tree ring data from 1960 on. However, if the tree ring data cannot determine correct temperature proxies over the last 40 years, then what is the quality of all the other proxy temperatures calculated from tree ring data over the last 1000 years?
In other words if the tree ring temperature proxy values are wrong now, then they're probably wrong then.
What does this mean? It means that the logical conclusion is that they are still using the tree ring data to determine proxy temperatures because is produces a result they desire. That result is the elimination of the Medieval Warm Period from the climate record.
The reason for eliminating the MWP is all about having the ability to use the word "unprecedented". Our current release of CO2 may be causing harm, and may require action, but the climate scientists apparently felt they needed more. If the MWP shows temperatures have been as high as they are now in the fairly recent (geologically speaking) past, then maybe the current change isn't due to CO2 but is due to some other factor. They did not want that question to exist. The warming had to be unprecedented in order to be "certain" that the warming was man made.
Hiding the decline was all about making sure that the graphs didn't show temperature trending up when the tree ring proxy temps were heading down. It doesn't matter how you parse out the e-mails what they did here is wrong and it is FRAUD and it did a great disservice to science.
Yes, be careful what you wish for. Remember, in the "good old days" we routinely got stories from Jon Katz, whose skill for hyperbole eclipsed even that of kdawson.
While the Constitution has its flaws, I cannot fathom how horrible a "new" Constitution developed by our current political "leaders" would be. I believe that it would be too horrible to behold.
The current political classes in DC need to be run out of town in total before we should even think of changing the constitution...
I don't think a competitive market is what will come of the EU blocking the merger. In fact if Sun goes down on its own, there will be less competition in the server market....
Without Oracle (or somebody's help), Sun is going down hard. They have contributed enormously to the computing industry, and unlike another OS vendor out there lots of their technology has been shared with the world.
From my perspective, I can only think the EU has alterior motives in blocking the Oracle/Sun merger.
I didn't mean to disparage Stallman, but his defense of GPL is quite militant and that's fine. I was just saying that his style isn't always labled "peaceful".
I'd say the best bet is to alter the individual inventor's behavior, such that coal and oil become generally obsolete as energy sources.
What the hell is that supposed to mean?? Damn do you think you can centrally plan how all the inventors act? Dammit invention is not some great communal game where we all hope and pray for the inventors to find the right solution.
Necessity is the mother of invention, not the state. The inventors behavior is not altered by policy. Inventor's behavior is determined by the impact their invention may have.
No matter how much you hate coal power generation, the inventor of a new way must create something cheaper than coal and as productive as coal. The rest, the replacement of coal, is just economics. Inventors know this, they are trying to create new power generation capabilities to beat oil and coal, because the inventions that aren't cheaper and better will NOT replace coal and oil no matter how much we want them to.
Now you can say that that was just a simple error. But what an error it was! And it worked extraordinarily in their favor.
Many other areas of science falsifying data at this level would be ridiculed mercilessly. But when climate scientists make "errors" that heavily bias things in their favors its waved off and we just move along with the next dire announcement of the next set of data.
The political agenda of so many in the AGW debate is so powerful that, yes, I really do believe them capable of lying to support their positions.....
I know you're being facetious but I really do believe that Linux IS a peaceful initiative. I has fostered worldwide collaboration across all political boundaries. People of many cultures, races, religions, etc. have participated in building Linux.
I think Linux is a Force For Good (TM)
I think Linus would be an excellent peace prize recipient. I think the case for him is much stronger than the ones for Al Gore, Obama (at least right now), and Yassir Arafat.
The reason we haven't implemented such a brilliant idea is that the efficiency of our photovolatic cells is really crappy and you'd need very large area deployments of them to have any discernible impact.
Actually, I'd say the problems that need solving in photovoltaics are as hard or harder than the nuclear fuel problem from TFA.
If you have a copy of his source code and duplicate product in another language, you'll get your clock cleaned in court. To effectively copy the other guys software, the best defense would be to have no knowledge whatsoever of his code.
Historically everyone in software has been copying everyone else all along. Things were fine before patents became all the rage. Imagine is Apple had patented the GUI in 1984. The windows GUI couldn't have been developed patent free until 1999. It's an absurd idea, no matter how much I currently dislike windows dominance. And, yes, I do realize Apple stole the GUI from Xerox...
... which is probably too much for even a computer to manage effectively...
Use the force Luke!!
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Yep, the HD-PVR looks pretty sweet. I've been waiting for this kind of device before jumping into hd cable. It also think its appalling that cable TV went all "early 80's" on us with the set top boxes for HD. I hope someday we'll be back to cable ready TV's for HD (they all really are anyway), but I fear the big cable companies may have won this battle this time. Oh well, if they keep mucking with it too much I may ditch the DVR part someday and just watch everything via download/hulu.....
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Thats all fine and good for you, but here in America, they only think we have two parties that should be allowed to present their viewpoints.
That's what we should really be afraid of. We need to get past this two party nonsense and get more diverse political viewpoints, and the Fairness Doctrine won't get us there.
You are actually claiming that the US government is small and toothless.....
Unbelievable.....
Remember when you ask the big government to do what you want, that may be great for you, until they start doing what you don't want.
Dang, I have mod points, but I just can seem to find the +1 Scary mod.....
This would have been in the '70s, so I have no clue how common bike helmets were then, but the point still remains.
No one wore bike helmets in the 70's. In my experience, bike helmets really came into favor in the 90's.
Wake ME up when the touchscreen on the "tablet" actually works.
Ummm probably because while there are holes in our security, blowing up your underwear is still a very hard thing to do correctly.
Yep. I think the action of trying to put someone in jail for 5 years for creating a blog criticizing you, will have great consequences for the congressman. Hopefully people will get fed up at our leaders recommending draconian punishment for the most trivial of things.
Before you comment about this from a political perspective, think about the kind of punishment proposed by the congressman within the context of a "three strikes" IP law that everyone seems to be clamoring for.
If super punitive punishments for things like this gain a foothold, look out, because they'll be coming into every aspect of your lives.
I know that they used them to come up with a proxy for temperature going back 1000 years. I also know that from 1960 on they don't act as their algorithm for generating the proxy data expects.
As a Computer Scientist I know that there is an issue with their algorithm if the proxy data generated from 1960 on does not match actual observed temperatures.
Knowing the full details of how their algorithm was developed and operates is not required in order to make a judgment of its viability when you see that it fails to correctly estimate temperatures for recent time. The algorithm is flawed from 1960 on, therefore it cannot be assumed that it is correct from 1960 back.
This goes back to the article's question of the public's perception of science. One common response often bandied about is that people critical of the science aren't "climate scientists." Well, they don't necessarily have to be. If a statistician looks at the large volumes of data the climate scientists work with and sees an error in analysis, it is valid to point it out. The methods and analysis tools that are being used here cross many disciplines, anyone from any of those disciplines is capable of making a judgment about the science from the vantage point of their particular discipline.
You are correct. In fact the actual data is better to use than the tree ring proxy data. BUT the tree ring proxy data is trending downward when temperatures are going up. This means that there is something fundamentally wrong with the calculation of a proxy temperature from tree ring data from 1960 on. However, if the tree ring data cannot determine correct temperature proxies over the last 40 years, then what is the quality of all the other proxy temperatures calculated from tree ring data over the last 1000 years?
In other words if the tree ring temperature proxy values are wrong now, then they're probably wrong then.
What does this mean? It means that the logical conclusion is that they are still using the tree ring data to determine proxy temperatures because is produces a result they desire. That result is the elimination of the Medieval Warm Period from the climate record.
The reason for eliminating the MWP is all about having the ability to use the word "unprecedented". Our current release of CO2 may be causing harm, and may require action, but the climate scientists apparently felt they needed more. If the MWP shows temperatures have been as high as they are now in the fairly recent (geologically speaking) past, then maybe the current change isn't due to CO2 but is due to some other factor. They did not want that question to exist. The warming had to be unprecedented in order to be "certain" that the warming was man made.
Hiding the decline was all about making sure that the graphs didn't show temperature trending up when the tree ring proxy temps were heading down. It doesn't matter how you parse out the e-mails what they did here is wrong and it is FRAUD and it did a great disservice to science.
Probably true. Ironic that defense spending spawned the internet....
Yes, be careful what you wish for. Remember, in the "good old days" we routinely got stories from Jon Katz, whose skill for hyperbole eclipsed even that of kdawson.
I believe that Nebula is deserving of the cloud moniker. From what I've seen of it, it is very similar to Amazon's EC2 "cloud" services.
Its got virtual hosting and can scale and provides many of the same components as EC2 plus has disk sharing across instances.
Nebula is really a cloud.
While the Constitution has its flaws, I cannot fathom how horrible a "new" Constitution developed by our current political "leaders" would be. I believe that it would be too horrible to behold.
The current political classes in DC need to be run out of town in total before we should even think of changing the constitution...
I don't think a competitive market is what will come of the EU blocking the merger. In fact if Sun goes down on its own, there will be less competition in the server market....
Without Oracle (or somebody's help), Sun is going down hard. They have contributed enormously to the computing industry, and unlike another OS vendor out there lots of their technology has been shared with the world.
From my perspective, I can only think the EU has alterior motives in blocking the Oracle/Sun merger.
Actually the GP post was on-topic.
Before WWII, IBM sold a lot of technology to the Nazis. Technology the Nazis used immorally, just like China's filtering.
Yep, I'm reading this story in an Opera browser and wondering if I should switch back to Firefox.....
Flamebait?? WTF??
I didn't mean to disparage Stallman, but his defense of GPL is quite militant and that's fine. I was just saying that his style isn't always labled "peaceful".
I'd say the best bet is to alter the individual inventor's behavior, such that coal and oil become generally obsolete as energy sources.
What the hell is that supposed to mean?? Damn do you think you can centrally plan how all the inventors act? Dammit invention is not some great communal game where we all hope and pray for the inventors to find the right solution.
Necessity is the mother of invention, not the state. The inventors behavior is not altered by policy. Inventor's behavior is determined by the impact their invention may have.
No matter how much you hate coal power generation, the inventor of a new way must create something cheaper than coal and as productive as coal. The rest, the replacement of coal, is just economics. Inventors know this, they are trying to create new power generation capabilities to beat oil and coal, because the inventions that aren't cheaper and better will NOT replace coal and oil no matter how much we want them to.
You're quoting GISS data??
The same people who did this?? http://globalwarmingquestions.googlepages.com/giss
Now you can say that that was just a simple error. But what an error it was! And it worked extraordinarily in their favor.
Many other areas of science falsifying data at this level would be ridiculed mercilessly. But when climate scientists make "errors" that heavily bias things in their favors its waved off and we just move along with the next dire announcement of the next set of data.
The political agenda of so many in the AGW debate is so powerful that, yes, I really do believe them capable of lying to support their positions.....
I know you're being facetious but I really do believe that Linux IS a peaceful initiative. I has fostered worldwide collaboration across all political boundaries. People of many cultures, races, religions, etc. have participated in building Linux.
I think Linux is a Force For Good (TM)
I think Linus would be an excellent peace prize recipient. I think the case for him is much stronger than the ones for Al Gore, Obama (at least right now), and Yassir Arafat.
But really, think about it, you just suggested Stallman for the "peace" prize....
His defense of the GPL, while laudable, is anything but peaceful.... ;-)
The reason we haven't implemented such a brilliant idea is that the efficiency of our photovolatic cells is really crappy and you'd need very large area deployments of them to have any discernible impact.
Actually, I'd say the problems that need solving in photovoltaics are as hard or harder than the nuclear fuel problem from TFA.
If you have a copy of his source code and duplicate product in another language, you'll get your clock cleaned in court. To effectively copy the other guys software, the best defense would be to have no knowledge whatsoever of his code.
Historically everyone in software has been copying everyone else all along. Things were fine before patents became all the rage. Imagine is Apple had patented the GUI in 1984. The windows GUI couldn't have been developed patent free until 1999. It's an absurd idea, no matter how much I currently dislike windows dominance. And, yes, I do realize Apple stole the GUI from Xerox...
Use the force Luke!!
Yep, the HD-PVR looks pretty sweet. I've been waiting for this kind of device before jumping into hd cable. It also think its appalling that cable TV went all "early 80's" on us with the set top boxes for HD. I hope someday we'll be back to cable ready TV's for HD (they all really are anyway), but I fear the big cable companies may have won this battle this time. Oh well, if they keep mucking with it too much I may ditch the DVR part someday and just watch everything via download/hulu.....