I think this example is more than a framing issue... the problem here is that "marriage" means different things to different people, and even more than one thing to the same person.
A better framing issue would be around, say, healthcare or speeding tickets. The arguments and framing are an exercise to the reader:)
If I put up a Facebook page for my cat, is that considered a fake account? No fake identities have been used, though perhaps the T&S require all users to be human.
What about people who have two FB profiles - eg one filled with gaming apps and all the crap that comes along with it, and the other for socialising?
Is your cat 13 years old or older? I don't think they require you to be human, but they do have an age requirement. Maybe your pet turtle would be a better choice...?
This is an idea I've always thought would be nice. You could even hook up an electric generator on the trailer for easy refueling. I wonder what size of generator you'd need to continuously charge the batteries? It may sound like a step backwards to be using gas to power an electric car, but if you're only using it for long trips a couple times a year, that's still a huge savings to the environment.
It's not hard to estimate -- if a 70KWh battery has a 300 mile range at 60mph, that' s 4.3 miles/KWh, or 14KWh to drive 60 miles, so driving 60mph, you'd need a 14KW generator to power the car. Not huge, but not exactly tiny... here's a 15KW generator trailer.
I've seen other estimates of around 3 - 3.5 KWh/mile for the Tesla, so you might need a 20KW generator.
15KW should do fine; you just might not arrive at your destination with the batteries topped up.
Big point-proving stunts don't help with people who go "my local gas station doesn't provide chargers. I'm doomed if I get one." Because that's really in their head, more than about any particular drive being possible.
Aside the fact that the Model S is an $80,000 luxury car (which is a fact that will limit sales all on it's own), the lack of charging stations and charging times are real concerns, which is probably why it's "in their head[s]."
Tesla has to win market share the same way every new technology does: winning enough early adopters to seem normal(and creating a support market).
This is a car that costs almost 6 figures, not the latest smart-gadget. I do not believe early adoption plays into the situation as much as with other, cheaper technological improvements - not nearly as much as the expense, charging times, and lack of range do.
Don't get me wrong, now that I've seen a Model S in person it's really grown on me, but regardless the fact remains that I, like most people, A) can't take on a(nother) $400+/mo car payment just because "it's neat", B) occasionally need to drive more than 200 miles at a time, and C) value my time more than a minimum 1-hour-to-charge wait affords.
A) 2013 Tesla Model S: from 69,900 USD
I don't think that's close to $100,000 or even $80,000.
That said, it's still at the pricey side, when you can get a fuel efficient reliable new car for $24,000. But there are a lot of people who can afford this price range, as the large number of vehicles sold in that range indicates. Once the infrastructure is set up and Tesla is ready to release their $30,000 vehicle, the price question will be even less relevant.
B) When you drive 200 miles at a time, do you stop to use a rest room and/or eat? Plug in while you're doing that, and you'll have no problem making the 200 miles. There's no rule that you have to top up your charge every time you "fill up".
C) See B.
While there are a number of reasons to avoid electric vehicles, including the Model S, your reasons are more the popular ones bandied about than actual reasons that make sense in the long-term. In fact, your response is exactly why they need to do things like these "record breaking drives" -- as they get it into society's consciousness that such things are possible, which is one of the biggest hurdles to overcome.
I can't see these being useful. You get a lot of data from a lot of employees and eventually it's just going to be too much data to be effectively useful, hampering creativity and the ability to solve problems. Then there's the other problem, let's say this works perfectly and only perfect employees are kept, who pays for the employees who can no longer get jobs because they aren't willing to be automatons?
You're holding the data wrong.
This isn't supposed to be used for managing individual employees -- it's meant to be used the same way as the old Xerox Parc badges -- to analyse trends, bottlenecks, causal relationships, etc. The consumer of this data isn't the manager, it's his workflow analysis team's statistical modelling system. Sure, you can drill down to indivisuals, but that's not really the important bit. The important bit is more along the lines of answering questions like "How can we organize our employees to maximize functional effectiveness stemming from social interaction? Yoshida Hiro appears to not contribute in meetings and be less productive when others approach his desk; maybe he should get a corner cubicle where he has more privacy to get his work done..." etc.
If I had any reason to believe that the device was for improvement of workflow and elimination of redundancy, I'd gladly wear it. The problem is that the way employees are treated today, there is exactly zero reason to believe that was the idea behind it.
We're talking about Japan here -- this is someone trying to improve on the Toyota workflow analysis method. In Japan, the company with the best workflow analysis system is the one that wins. This is very likely exactly about workflow improvement and redundancy elimination. Any employer in Japan caught abusing this information would be in serious trouble (read: fired and likely unable to get another management-level job, as well as no longer able to show his face at the same restaurants, clubs, etc.).
But you're right if you apply this to the USA -- abuse would be 100% guaranteed, even if it was implemented for all the right reasons. In the US, there's not much of a (short term personal) downside to abusing the information from a management perspective.
No, that's a relative clause, not a full sentence. "that don't need to be on the plane" serves only as an adjective for "snakes".
The independent sentence, without the relative clause, is "Finally, snakes." The primary verb is implied: "Finally, [there are] snakes." Or maybe "Finally, [we have] snakes." Or something similar.
"I have forgotten the last 4 digits of my credit card number, can you give them to me".
"Hi, Paypal phone service person, I recently switched banks, and I think I might need to update my card info. I forget if I did this earlier --- can you tell me which card you've already got on file for me? Just the last four digits would be enough, thanks."
In an ideal universe: "Sir, if you tell me the last four digits of the card number, I can tell you if you updated it."
Indeed -- or even "Would you like me to email you your current statement, Sir?" -- which is of course not as secure.
But PayPal isn't a bank, so probably doesn't have the same training and penalties in place as banks do. This could just as easily been pulled off at somewhere like Amazon though, as they've got your credit card on file too. Actually, there's a lot of places you could call -- after all, you only need access to one of them to start building the PII trail that will eventually get you into the account you want.
They gave away the last four digits of the guy's credit card to a stranger...
Not to defend PayPal, but the last 4 digits are often not treated as particularly secret. They put it on your credit receipts, many sites show them to help you figure out which card you have registered with them... Yeah, PayPal shouldn't be giving it out, but GoDaddy really really shouldn't be using it as some sort of ID verification. One of these is kinda dumb, the other is weapons-grade dumb.
I know it's common practice, but it really shouldn't be -- the last four digits of your credit card number are really 3 digits plus the Luhn check. That means that with that string, you can test out all the number combinations and arrive at a significantly narrowed set of possible credit card numbers.
Take for example American Express -- the first 4 digits are known (they're the card ID). If you give away the last four digits, that's 3 digits and Luhn. That means that you now have only 8 unknown digits, and they have to be in a permutation that totals with the other 7 digits to the proper Luhn total. In effect, this means that you can also reliably guess the 5th and 12th digit (as they're paired with the known digits and have an extremely limited set of permutations for the remaining 6 -- only a few hundred for in-my-head calculations.
That may still sound like a lot, but it means that if you have access to the last four digits of 1,000 cards, you're likely going to get the correct card number on the first try on a significant portion of them.
Summary: the last number of a credit card shouldn't be given out, as it tells a lot more about the entire number than it appears at first glance.
Snowden hasn't done a damn thing for peace. What he has done is cripple the ability of the west to gain intelligence.
...and I think we're all agreed that the West has a lot of room to improve in the intelligence department. Although I'd disagree -- Snowden has educated the west, and hopefully helped people make more intelligent decisions.
Governments on the other hand, yes, they've been somewhat "crippled" if by crippled you mean "held accountable to their own charters and agreements".
We all know from time on the school playground that the most peaceful times are when those with the power are so busy squabbling amongst each other that they don't have time to oppress everyone else. If western nations are spending their energy improving diplomatic relations, that means they're less likely to be spending that time on world domination.
Ironically, I can remember about one injury every few months in elementary school -- and every single one of them was on the "approved" equipment. Our school had two playgrounds; one old one that was cobbled together by parents using electrical cable spools, tires, fishing nets, etc. and a new one that was designed for use, with monkey bars being about the most dangerous thing on it. More people played on the old playground, but the new one was where people who were running across the top of the monkey bars slipped, dislocated a limb on the way down and then landed on their head -- kids were too smart to not be at least slightly cautious on the old one.
all signed all pardon letters signed by Obama live on Cnn
minute he lands behead him in time square and put his head on a pike next to his entire families heads as a warning to all traitors and. spies everywhere - not joking - hope he enjoys the rest of his life in a back water called Russia who can not even make a decent stealth fighter - he should spied for china at least he could get better living conditions - he , his parents, grand parents are a family of traitors
The sad thing is, there are some people who wouldn't recognize this as satire.
Full Pardon. Presidential Medal of Freedom. Full stop.
(a) It's time to highlight the oft-neglected Presidential power of pardon and what it's meant to be used for. (b) The Obama White House contact webpage still claims that "President Obama is committed to creating the most open and accessible administration in American history." It's time put up or shut up on that BS.
All he has to do is prove that all previous administrations were less open and accessible. Politically, that's much easier than giving Snowden a full pardon.
Oh no, no, they would completely live up to the promise of not prosecuting him for leaking the docs. However, his taxes would get audited every year, he'd be on the no-fly list, a UAV would circle his house 24/7. They'd get him on something, mark my words, because Snowden committed the one unforgivable crime in the US: he embarassed politicians.
If that were truly an unforgivable crime, all the politicians in the US would be in jail.
I think the true problem here is that he embarrassed the bureaucracy.
He deserves a ticker tape parade and to be listed among the great patriots who sacrificed personal safety and comfort in the name of liberty.
I've been wondering what the view of the Canadian left would be. I think we can probably agree that he will become known as a great Russian patriot although I didn't realize that Russia was lacking in creature comforts. Well, let's hope he didn't teach the next cell how to avoid detection.
Not a 'criminal', simply a 'traitor' - a traitor can have good motives (good enough for him), but we-all used to shoot a lot of 'em.
Question for the "Snowden is a traitor" camp:
Upon what evidence do you make the claim that Edward Snowden either gave and and comfort to enemies of the American People, or declared war on the same?
Hmm... well, he gave aid and discomfort to the friends of the American People, upon the receipt of which, they weren't really friends of the American People anymore.
That's about as close as I can get to apologetics on that one.
Google’s ultimate plans are unclear, however. The company spent years buying unused fiber optic cables around the country ahead of announcing the service, but hasn’t said whether it will roll it out nationwide.
Does that answer your question? They offer fiber to the door, and it's on the same network Google uses for its own services. They're already a backbone ISP in potentia; it's just taking time for them to light it all up. Meanwhile, they are lighting up targets where they can get competitive peering agreements with the rest of the internet. Once they have enough of those, they'll be able to light up the rest of the fiber and just route around opponents to net neutrality.*
*providing Google services for free**
**Free being "paid for once already, but we didn't get to double dip"
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I think this example is more than a framing issue... the problem here is that "marriage" means different things to different people, and even more than one thing to the same person.
A better framing issue would be around, say, healthcare or speeding tickets. The arguments and framing are an exercise to the reader :)
... a beowulf cluster of 'em!
If I put up a Facebook page for my cat, is that considered a fake account? No fake identities have been used, though perhaps the T&S require all users to be human.
What about people who have two FB profiles - eg one filled with gaming apps and all the crap that comes along with it, and the other for socialising?
Is your cat 13 years old or older? I don't think they require you to be human, but they do have an age requirement. Maybe your pet turtle would be a better choice...?
This is an idea I've always thought would be nice. You could even hook up an electric generator on the trailer for easy refueling. I wonder what size of generator you'd need to continuously charge the batteries? It may sound like a step backwards to be using gas to power an electric car, but if you're only using it for long trips a couple times a year, that's still a huge savings to the environment.
It's not hard to estimate -- if a 70KWh battery has a 300 mile range at 60mph, that' s 4.3 miles/KWh, or 14KWh to drive 60 miles, so driving 60mph, you'd need a 14KW generator to power the car. Not huge, but not exactly tiny... here's a 15KW generator trailer.
I've seen other estimates of around 3 - 3.5 KWh/mile for the Tesla, so you might need a 20KW generator.
15KW should do fine; you just might not arrive at your destination with the batteries topped up.
Big point-proving stunts don't help with people who go "my local gas station doesn't provide chargers. I'm doomed if I get one." Because that's really in their head, more than about any particular drive being possible.
Aside the fact that the Model S is an $80,000 luxury car (which is a fact that will limit sales all on it's own), the lack of charging stations and charging times are real concerns, which is probably why it's "in their head[s]."
Tesla has to win market share the same way every new technology does: winning enough early adopters to seem normal(and creating a support market).
This is a car that costs almost 6 figures, not the latest smart-gadget. I do not believe early adoption plays into the situation as much as with other, cheaper technological improvements - not nearly as much as the expense, charging times, and lack of range do.
Don't get me wrong, now that I've seen a Model S in person it's really grown on me, but regardless the fact remains that I, like most people, A) can't take on a(nother) $400+/mo car payment just because "it's neat", B) occasionally need to drive more than 200 miles at a time, and C) value my time more than a minimum 1-hour-to-charge wait affords.
A) 2013 Tesla Model S: from 69,900 USD
I don't think that's close to $100,000 or even $80,000.
That said, it's still at the pricey side, when you can get a fuel efficient reliable new car for $24,000. But there are a lot of people who can afford this price range, as the large number of vehicles sold in that range indicates. Once the infrastructure is set up and Tesla is ready to release their $30,000 vehicle, the price question will be even less relevant.
B) When you drive 200 miles at a time, do you stop to use a rest room and/or eat? Plug in while you're doing that, and you'll have no problem making the 200 miles. There's no rule that you have to top up your charge every time you "fill up".
C) See B.
While there are a number of reasons to avoid electric vehicles, including the Model S, your reasons are more the popular ones bandied about than actual reasons that make sense in the long-term. In fact, your response is exactly why they need to do things like these "record breaking drives" -- as they get it into society's consciousness that such things are possible, which is one of the biggest hurdles to overcome.
So not all that different from America then?
America isn't filled yet.
line up a grid of Dance Dance Revolution pads on the border
Attached to land mines!
Make sure you get those steps right; you don't want to get a low score!
I can't see these being useful. You get a lot of data from a lot of employees and eventually it's just going to be too much data to be effectively useful, hampering creativity and the ability to solve problems. Then there's the other problem, let's say this works perfectly and only perfect employees are kept, who pays for the employees who can no longer get jobs because they aren't willing to be automatons?
You're holding the data wrong.
This isn't supposed to be used for managing individual employees -- it's meant to be used the same way as the old Xerox Parc badges -- to analyse trends, bottlenecks, causal relationships, etc. The consumer of this data isn't the manager, it's his workflow analysis team's statistical modelling system. Sure, you can drill down to indivisuals, but that's not really the important bit. The important bit is more along the lines of answering questions like "How can we organize our employees to maximize functional effectiveness stemming from social interaction? Yoshida Hiro appears to not contribute in meetings and be less productive when others approach his desk; maybe he should get a corner cubicle where he has more privacy to get his work done..." etc.
If I had any reason to believe that the device was for improvement of workflow and elimination of redundancy, I'd gladly wear it. The problem is that the way employees are treated today, there is exactly zero reason to believe that was the idea behind it.
We're talking about Japan here -- this is someone trying to improve on the Toyota workflow analysis method. In Japan, the company with the best workflow analysis system is the one that wins. This is very likely exactly about workflow improvement and redundancy elimination. Any employer in Japan caught abusing this information would be in serious trouble (read: fired and likely unable to get another management-level job, as well as no longer able to show his face at the same restaurants, clubs, etc.).
But you're right if you apply this to the USA -- abuse would be 100% guaranteed, even if it was implemented for all the right reasons. In the US, there's not much of a (short term personal) downside to abusing the information from a management perspective.
No, that's a relative clause, not a full sentence. "that don't need to be on the plane" serves only as an adjective for "snakes".
The independent sentence, without the relative clause, is "Finally, snakes." The primary verb is implied: "Finally, [there are] snakes." Or maybe "Finally, [we have] snakes." Or something similar.
I saw what you did there.
Exactly this. Thanks for spelling it out.
I take it you didn't read slashdot's article yesterday on the New Zealand attempt to loosen the restrictions on playtime....
"I have forgotten the last 4 digits of my credit card number, can you give them to me".
"Hi, Paypal phone service person, I recently switched banks, and I think I might need to update my card info. I forget if I did this earlier --- can you tell me which card you've already got on file for me? Just the last four digits would be enough, thanks."
In an ideal universe: "Sir, if you tell me the last four digits of the card number, I can tell you if you updated it."
Indeed -- or even "Would you like me to email you your current statement, Sir?" -- which is of course not as secure.
But PayPal isn't a bank, so probably doesn't have the same training and penalties in place as banks do. This could just as easily been pulled off at somewhere like Amazon though, as they've got your credit card on file too. Actually, there's a lot of places you could call -- after all, you only need access to one of them to start building the PII trail that will eventually get you into the account you want.
This could quite possibly be a PCI violation.
It isn't on GoDaddy's part -- depending on how it was done, it may or may not be on PayPal's part.
They gave away the last four digits of the guy's credit card to a stranger...
Not to defend PayPal, but the last 4 digits are often not treated as particularly secret. They put it on your credit receipts, many sites show them to help you figure out which card you have registered with them... Yeah, PayPal shouldn't be giving it out, but GoDaddy really really shouldn't be using it as some sort of ID verification. One of these is kinda dumb, the other is weapons-grade dumb.
I know it's common practice, but it really shouldn't be -- the last four digits of your credit card number are really 3 digits plus the Luhn check. That means that with that string, you can test out all the number combinations and arrive at a significantly narrowed set of possible credit card numbers.
Take for example American Express -- the first 4 digits are known (they're the card ID). If you give away the last four digits, that's 3 digits and Luhn. That means that you now have only 8 unknown digits, and they have to be in a permutation that totals with the other 7 digits to the proper Luhn total. In effect, this means that you can also reliably guess the 5th and 12th digit (as they're paired with the known digits and have an extremely limited set of permutations for the remaining 6 -- only a few hundred for in-my-head calculations.
That may still sound like a lot, but it means that if you have access to the last four digits of 1,000 cards, you're likely going to get the correct card number on the first try on a significant portion of them.
Summary: the last number of a credit card shouldn't be given out, as it tells a lot more about the entire number than it appears at first glance.
Snowden hasn't done a damn thing for peace. What he has done is cripple the ability of the west to gain intelligence.
...and I think we're all agreed that the West has a lot of room to improve in the intelligence department. Although I'd disagree -- Snowden has educated the west, and hopefully helped people make more intelligent decisions.
Governments on the other hand, yes, they've been somewhat "crippled" if by crippled you mean "held accountable to their own charters and agreements".
We all know from time on the school playground that the most peaceful times are when those with the power are so busy squabbling amongst each other that they don't have time to oppress everyone else. If western nations are spending their energy improving diplomatic relations, that means they're less likely to be spending that time on world domination.
AMEN! Unfortunately, if Obama can get one, any turncoat-calling-himself-whistleblower can get one, too.
It's sad.
Highly unlikely; only people with political influence get them. Obama got one for not being Bush; Snowden can likely get one for not being the NSA.
Ironically, I can remember about one injury every few months in elementary school -- and every single one of them was on the "approved" equipment. Our school had two playgrounds; one old one that was cobbled together by parents using electrical cable spools, tires, fishing nets, etc. and a new one that was designed for use, with monkey bars being about the most dangerous thing on it. More people played on the old playground, but the new one was where people who were running across the top of the monkey bars slipped, dislocated a limb on the way down and then landed on their head -- kids were too smart to not be at least slightly cautious on the old one.
... a gas turbine. Use it to drive a big alternator and viola!
Gas turbine + alternator = small stringed instrument?
No... gas turbine -> alternator + medium stringed instrument...
He's saying the turbine will drive both. I'd pay to see that concert!
all signed all pardon letters signed by Obama live on Cnn
minute he lands behead him in time square and put his head on a pike next to his entire families heads as a warning to all traitors and. spies everywhere - not joking - hope he enjoys the rest of his life in a back water called Russia who can not even make a decent stealth fighter - he should spied for china at least he could get better living conditions - he , his parents, grand parents are a family of traitors
The sad thing is, there are some people who wouldn't recognize this as satire.
Full Pardon. Presidential Medal of Freedom. Full stop.
(a) It's time to highlight the oft-neglected Presidential power of pardon and what it's meant to be used for. (b) The Obama White House contact webpage still claims that "President Obama is committed to creating the most open and accessible administration in American history." It's time put up or shut up on that BS.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
All he has to do is prove that all previous administrations were less open and accessible. Politically, that's much easier than giving Snowden a full pardon.
Oh no, no, they would completely live up to the promise of not prosecuting him for leaking the docs. However, his taxes would get audited every year, he'd be on the no-fly list, a UAV would circle his house 24/7. They'd get him on something, mark my words, because Snowden committed the one unforgivable crime in the US: he embarassed politicians.
If that were truly an unforgivable crime, all the politicians in the US would be in jail.
I think the true problem here is that he embarrassed the bureaucracy.
He deserves a ticker tape parade and to be listed among the great patriots who sacrificed personal safety and comfort in the name of liberty.
I've been wondering what the view of the Canadian left would be. I think we can probably agree that he will become known as a great Russian patriot although I didn't realize that Russia was lacking in creature comforts. Well, let's hope he didn't teach the next cell how to avoid detection.
...and you were doing so well this week....
Not a 'criminal', simply a 'traitor' - a traitor can have good motives (good enough for him), but we-all used to shoot a lot of 'em.
Question for the "Snowden is a traitor" camp:
Upon what evidence do you make the claim that Edward Snowden either gave and and comfort to enemies of the American People, or declared war on the same?
Hmm... well, he gave aid and discomfort to the friends of the American People, upon the receipt of which, they weren't really friends of the American People anymore.
That's about as close as I can get to apologetics on that one.
Does that answer your question? They offer fiber to the door, and it's on the same network Google uses for its own services. They're already a backbone ISP in potentia; it's just taking time for them to light it all up. Meanwhile, they are lighting up targets where they can get competitive peering agreements with the rest of the internet. Once they have enough of those, they'll be able to light up the rest of the fiber and just route around opponents to net neutrality.*
*providing Google services for free**
**Free being "paid for once already, but we didn't get to double dip"