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Edward Snowden Nominated For Nobel Peace Prize
SmartAboutThings writes "Edward Snowden has a chance of getting the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize, as two Norwegian members of the Parliament have nominated him — Baard Vegard Solhjell (a former environment minister) and Snorre Valen. So, the fact that members of the Norwegian Parliament have proposed him for the Nobel Peace Prize could improve his chance of winning. After all, if Obama got this prize, why wouldn't Snowden get it?"
I'd like to nominate Dr. Thomas Neff (http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/01/29/0157208/megatons-to-megawatts-program-comes-to-a-close) as more deserving.
This is a HELL of a lot better than when Obama got the prize, just for being elected. An unknown nobody who had run a successful campaign got a peace prize just for moving into the White House? Totally bogus.
Maybe the committee has decided that they would like to have some credibility.
I'm all for Snowden getting the prize. To bad it has been cheapened with some of the past awards.
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Well, sort of, anyway.
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Obama won one of these, so what does winning this prize really mean?
Gives a whole new meaning to the classic phrase "it's not what you know; it's who you know."
I thought the Peace Prizes to Gore and Obama to be the most asinine thing that the committee has ever done.
To implicitly compare those two politicians to the likes of King or Gandhi just disgusts me.
What next, giving one to Jethro Tull?!
He already did good and deserves the prize. No chance.
to take away Obama's and give him that one. They should do it while playing the candidate Obama vs President Obama videos in the background.
If he wins, then we'll have one Peace Prize winner being honored for resisting the authoritarianism of another Peace Price winner.
Just about every human being that does not drone-strike weddings was a better choice than Obama.
Congratulations to the Nobel Prize comittee for making such a particularly bad choice out of a universe of about 7 billion.
Yes, but you could argue that G.W. Bush had a chance at the Peace Prize, too, since he was nominated. So could a flying pig, if it was nominated. Anyone who is nominated has a chance at winning.
I thought that you were supposed to keep any nominations for a Nobel Prize secret? I know that the Nobel committee keeps them sealed for something like 60 years but I have no idea whether it's a convention, a rule, or just simply not bothering to tell anyone on the nominator's end.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
Snowden hasn't done a damn thing for peace. What he has done is cripple the ability of the west to gain intelligence. Intelligence is critical to allowing governments to have the knowledge to avert wars. Peace also comes through improved diplomacy, and I don't think anyone can honestly say that diplomatic relations have improved anywhere since he started his tell all. What he has done has hurt diplomatic efforts for any number of nations and that is pretty much the opposite of being a peacemaker.
You can make arguments about exposing what was going on with peoples privacy being invaded. However that doesn't have a damn thing to do with being a peacemaker. Look at the people that have earned the Nobel Peace prize in the past, they all focused on improving relations and easing tensions. To say that what he did in any way helped peace makes a mockery of the Nobel Peace price and deprives those who actually deserve it. /flame on
The nobel prize list now has a long history of shady characters under its belt. If Snowden didn't hack into a system to issue drone strikes, I really don't see that he has a chance.
good luck
This is just a setup to get Snowden out in the open, so the US can catch him and bring him back to Black Mesa.
I hope he wins. Having an independent source of income will remove a lot of stress from his life.
Prof. Farnsworth: "... that may well win me the Nobel Prize!"
Leela: "In what field?"
Prof. Farnsworth"I don't care! They all pay the same!"
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-- Old Greek Proverb
After all, Obama's was way premature and he has done nothing since the award to justify it.
...just because someone is nominated doesn't mean they are worthy, or that they are going to receive it. Let's not forget that in 1939 Adolf Hitler was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize!
He was already nominated in 2013, along with Manning, and at a time where it was very present in its implications in all the world. But the winner, if well to be respected for that, was too close to the current at that time american propaganda to sustain an invasion on Syria. What make you think this time will be different?
In order to receive this prize, you need to come pick it up in person here in the US, along with two pieces of identification.
We won't arrest you when you come pick it up. *giggles* We promise.
- Government of USA
he was trusted to look the other way while the people he worked for were breaking the law?
if he found out his bosses were, say, importing dope and selling it to kids to boost company profits, would you still be mad at him for "violating trust"?
no? well then i say to you sir that you are a hypocrite.
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Well, it's hard to say if it ever had any credibility.
After all, if Obama got this prize, why wouldn't Snowden get it?
<sarcasm>Because Snowden hasn't droned enough civilians.</sarcasm>
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
In order to accept the prize, wouldn't he have to go to a country that would have no problem extraditing him to the US?
Will have a much easier time getting to Olso vs. Moscow.
It should bump him into a class of people in which US laws don't seem to apply.
You forgot the brain rays. The Zionists are using brain rays to alter people's subconscious into passivity. Fortunately, these rays can be blocked by a thin layer of aluminium.
Asinine, yes. But more asinine that Kissinger? Or Arafat? That's a pretty high bar.
I'm sure glad that Russia warned the FBI about those Boston bombers, and that the FBI took them off the streets before they could kill anyone!
What's that? I got that wrong? Russia DID warn us about those boys, right? But, you say the FBI totally fucked up? So - you're saying that the idiots can't recognize intelligence when it bites them in the ass?
Well, I have to agree with you then. That really IS how the game is played. Your intelligence community isn't protecting anyone - it is preying on the sheep!
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Alfred Nobel invented dynamite. He then used the profits from selling it to give an award to people who refrained from using it.
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Historically, the Nobel Peace Prize has been given to some truly awful people like Henry Kissinger and Yassar Arafat. The gave it to Obama, who not only has carried out the same warmongering, civil rights infringing policies of George Bush, but actually has expanded on them. It's no honor to be included with the likes of people who have worked against the cause of furthering peace.
I don't like Putin's government philosophy. I don't agree with his intrusion into Ukranian matters. I don't agree with his silencing of dissidents in his own country or his stance on homosexuals. I don't think he gave Snowden a reprieve out of altruism.
BUT, he prevented the war from escalating in Syria, and he did give Snowden a reprieve. If he threw Snowden out of his country to the US, we wouldn't know any of this. Normally I think the Peace Prize is given too often to world leaders, but I think Putin should get it this year.
As interesting as Snowden is, this is a distraction from the more important (and probably more urgent) question of... when are the criminals at the NSA going to be brought to justice?
Also, when do we fire the people that sold out our actual spy talent - with their far more targeted, far more 4th Amendment compatible tools like THINTHREAD - instead of continuing to give a paycheck to the assholes that let 9/11 happen so they could keep funneling money to their contractor friends to develop the far more expensive TRAILBLAZER? The families of the victims that died do this willful neglegence will probably want to file civil lawsuits, too.
A cornerstone of the very idea of "justice" is equal protection before the law, and these people need to get their day in court. If they do, then maybe we can start to put this feckless imbroglio behind us and move on, with only the usual political drama to worry about.
On the other hand, if we fail to accomplish this task - if we fail to obtain some basic symbol that the Constitution is still respected as the highest law of the land - then we've really given up any last pretense that this is any kind of civilized nation with a social contract.
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He's clearly talking about Hugo Chavez. Get your head out of your ass.
Any case where someone actually warned the FBI about someone and they caught them in advance won't get the massive news coverage of a successful terrorist attack. So you only remember the cases where they fail.
Moreover, if the FBI is warned and catches someone ahead of time, and does prevent a terrorist attack, it's going to be hard to prove that anything was prevented unless the FBI catches the guy red-handed. Otherwise be prepared to see headlines "FBI destroys life of innocent man based on word from dictatorial foreign government".
Outside of the prizes in science most of the awards have always seemed to be based around reinforcing the ideology of the Nobel committee. The prizes for Obama and Arafat, however, were especially ridiculous because they were founded in wishful thinking, the thought that somehow the Nobel Prize would spur something positive.
Without question, Snowden is more deserving of the prize than they were, even if this is little more than a political statement. However, we've yet to feel the full implications of his leaks and don't really know what the end result will be. I don't think nearly enough time has elapsed for a proper assessment to be made.
Not that it matters much given that the Nobel Prize seems to be slipping into irrelevancy.
Broke what law? Who has been prosecuted for violating the law due to those leaks?
in a long long time.
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Oddly, he only sounds moderately more nutty and kooky than half of the other paranoid delusional kooks who post in threads involving Snowden.
Obama OR Snowden? The President of the USA OR a high school dropout who stole some computer files and gets famous from it?
If everything is simplified to that level then I give up on humanity.
Whatever. No rationalization can justify the dramatic failure obvious in this case.
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This prize has become a joke. Next year just give it to honey boo boo or any old random person. It makes about as much sense. Matter of fact, next year they should pick a city that needs some 'peace' and send it up in a balloon set to pop after a 5 minute run.
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Who actually did more for peace?
Yeah, I agree with many of the sentiments about the Nobel prize having little or no legitimacy. Anyway, Snowden's got plenty of recognition from groups that have better reputations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
As long as the US remains "the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today" (MLK), it would be morally reprehensible to give "peace" awards to anyone in US govt. who doesn't take effective steps to dismantle the "American military industrial complex" (Dwight Eisenhower).
What they need all those guns, bombs, and soldiers for is no great secret. Nothing to do with defence or maintaining peace and stability in the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Obama getting the Peace Prize when he had done nothing at all undermined the credibility of the Nobel Prize.
Giving a prize to Snowden may also do so. Snowden's claims are getting a little weird now. I'm seriously wondering if he is making things up a bit. I think a little time and historical review are needed in the Snowden case. He may very well be "juicing the intel" as was done in the lead up to the Iraq War. Some exaggeration, some made up things ... all designed to lead public opinion in the desired direction.
Just because one side is lying to you does not mean the other is telling the truth. Both sides may be lying and/or telling partial truths.
There aren't many "Snowden's claims". The weird leaks are coming from security researchers pouring over all the power point presentations Snowden got from the NSA. So unless you think he faked those before passing them off to the media...
Aluminum? You are a dupe. Only tin works!
Only tin, TIN (Sn ie Stannum) blocks the Zionist rays.
The misinformation about aluminum is a two-pronged attack by the Jewish owners of the Aluminum consortium and Israeli mind-control scientists.
Stop relying on published propaganda. You know the truth. It is in there.
ABOUT DAMN TIME!! Snowden is in my opinion, not only an American hero, but a worldwide hero.. If that pile of excrement who is currently occupying the Whitehouse can get one for doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to foster world peace, Snowden deserves one FAR MORE!! Go right ahead and mod me down, Slashlibtards... You know you want to... I'm not a republican nor a democrat, I'M A FLIPPIN' AMERICAN, AND I'M PISSED!!
THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
Asinine, yes. But more asinine that Kissinger? Or Arafat? That's a pretty high bar.
Those examples are not asinine. They go so far beyond asinine that we need a whole new word to describe them. I propose "Kissingasinine".
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when are the criminals [washingtonpost.com] at the NSA going to be brought to justice?
The Supreme Court already weighed in on this issue - no crime was committed by the NSA. Snowden on the other hand is known to have committed several crimes.
http://consortiumnews.com/2014... is an interesting read. The authors though, do need some practice at diplomatic writing; it would be easier to take seriously if the snide remarks weren't snuck in there.
It doesn't make sense to say "we fuxked this up really bad already, so it doesn't matter what we do now." That's pretty screwed up people. How about you fix the process and start nominating people that deserve it? That's the best answer to failing - try to fix the problems and do it better next time. And all of what I said has nothing to do with whether or not Snowden deserves the Peace Prize. It's about whether or not giving Obama the Peace Prize means that they shouldn't try to do it better this time.
You'll note that the only link I provided that brought up "phone metadata" disagrees with that assessment, but that's not really important. As I'm sure you noticed, I'm talking about a larger problem than any one court case, about how we seem to have a status-quo where patent 4th Amendment violations are ignored. When writs of assistance are regularly used to justify mass collection[*] without specific warants, we're obviously not using the *Constitution* any more, and the SCOTUS isn't particularly relevant.
I'm sure you have some better response for THINTHREAD-vs-TRAILBLAZER and the NSA's role in 9/11, right? Instead of just projecting more onto Snowden? Or are your too busy masturbating over your assination fantasies like so many other NSA-apologists seem to be doing recently?
[*] Note: do NOT bother replying with the usual NSA doublespeak. If they get to redefine "collecting" to to mean "only if we choose to log that we looked at it, even though it's in our database", then I get to redefine "protest" into all kinds of fun things. Words have meanings, and you know it.
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Edward Snowden Nominated For Nobel Peace Prize
Like if the Nobel Peace Prize actually meant a shit. Big fucking deal. Obama was nominated. Putin was nominated. Arafat was nominated. Kissinger was nominated.
Gandhi was nominated 5 times, but never won one. Al Gore won it for work unrelated to world peace. Worst still, he was given the prize over Holocaust survivor and "Righteous among the Nations"Irena Sendler. How do we fucking explain or justify that abomination of a decision??????
The only one wort winning it this year is Malala Yousufzai. But this is still a worthless, subjective recognition considering the questionable nominations that pollute the prize.
Due to its horrendously subjective and politicized track record, this shit of a Nobel prize shouldn't even exist.
Yah, they could use an editor. Do note, though, that many of the authors have been at this for years now; the weary may be showing a bit. I certainly noticed a bit at this VERY interesting talk by two of the authors (Drake, Binney, with Jesselyn Radack also speaking) from a year ago at 29C3 . They're certainly not practiced public speakers, either.... but hearing theory stories told first-person more than makes up for any such deficency O.O
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And then came Barack Obama, whose only achievement in life was giving a few speeches and being a (mostly absent) senator.
Now they give it so someone who has caused strained relations between countries and, if anything, has made the world just a bit less safe.
The Nobel Peace Prize is simply a tool for socialist liberals to reward their heroes .. it means nothing anymore.
I rarely read replies, it's my opinion and if you thought about your opinion a little more, I'm OK with that.
Oh yes the dreaded Power point presentations. They look more like something you would use in a presentation to justify budget increases. They contain no details or even proof that the programs described ever made it into the real world. There has been a remarkable lack of interest in trying to determine the voracity of the information that has been released. He could be making up shit wholesale and there is really no way to verify the information came from the NSA. I am not saying all the information is false I am just pointing out nobody has even investigated the claims. He has also taken it upon himself to judge whether or not the information being released is harmful to the US. With that type of arrogance he must be one hell of international relations expert. The minute he started releasing information on foreign intelligence activities he sealed his fate. The only deal he could get would be the US dropping any charges related to information theft and fraud while prosecuting the espionage act violations to the hilt.
That means he would have to bomb some pissant country back into the Stone Age.
Oh yes the dreaded Power point presentations. They look more like something you would use in a presentation to justify budget increases.
Perhaps, but the budget request presentations where I work don't look like how-tos for fourth amendment violations. I don't want a government agency to make arguments like that for money whether or not they plan on actual implementation.
https://www.schneier.com/
Bruce Schneier has access to the documents and is releasing an exploit a day for the next few months. Each exploit contains a line of the format:
"Unit Cost: $0
Status: Released / Deployed. Ready for Immediate Delivery"
That's a pretty good indication the programs made it to the real world.
Actually the press did recounts and found that GWB would in fact have won Florida if the recount had proceeded. They even tried various proposed alternative recount scenarios and GWB won most of those.
There is a huge trail of allegations, assertions and disconnected facts that preceded the Snowden releases. A great deal of support exists for Snowden's material, it just took those slide decks to connect all the dots.
Crappy PowerPoint slide quality is evidence of exactly nothing. There exists an entire mini-industry of people criticizing boring, poorly constructed presentations using PowerPoint. Go to any trade show almost any industry, book yourself into an entry-level or mid-tier presentation, and bring an espresso. Only the espresso will keep your attention.
Also, the NSA could have denied this evidence. They did not. In fact every time there's a new release of material, some NSA leader gets a hunted look in his eyes, trots out to the media, and insists that:
1). Their program is like, totally legal man!
2). Snowden is a traitor and lower than a snake's ankle;
3). The information is useful and has stopped a BILLION/million/ten plots;
4). Squirrel!
Isn't it sad then that the DNC is at minimum, the equal of the GOP in bloodthirst.
Obama tripled the troops in Afghanistan, opposed the treaty on cluster bombs, drone bombs anyone he feels like, tried to extend Iraq, failed, and instead called himself a peacemaker.
While I don't disagree with any of your comment, I suspect the reality is more bleak than you paint - the GOP nominee (McCain) would likely have started a war with Iran if he had won [1].
For this parody of choice, sign me up for the lesser evil. GOP aint it, and haven't been for years. Whine about Obama all you want - until there is a less bloodthirsty choice you're promoting, you are pissing in the wind.
[1] http://www.npr.org/templates/s...
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Because the committee has awarded it in the past to former terrorists and troublemakers, this prize means nothing. Has someone re-defined "Peace" in a kind of Orwellian-style to mean "global shit-stirrer".
The fuckwits Snowden and Ass-strange have caused trouble, uprisings, international incidents, betrayal of sources and agents. Who knows how many deaths can now be attributed to them? Whenever I see their smug self satisfied faces in the media I want to punch the fucking screen.
The world has gone nuts, i want off at the next stop.
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If Snowden doesn't win hands-down it pretty much shows that the Nobel doesn't mean shit. The egg on the face of the Nobel process after giving a peace prize to a serial killer/ unrepentant terrorist in waiting has pretty well removed any real meaning from the award -- and honestly gives more than a few people cause to suspect that ALL Nobels are politically influenced. So...a lot hangs in the balance here, IMO.
I am not saying the NSA domestic programs were legal but I don't consider the foreign intelligence programs to be illegal. The US constitution and bill of rights does not apply to other countries in the world. .
The key word here is "peace".
His releases about the Australian government spying on the Indonesian President has greatly raised tension between the nations and seen violent protests on the streets.
This is one (of several poorly timed events) that have caused Indonesia to deploy naval assets in the waters between Australia and themselves (again not the sole reason, but a contributing factor).
Give him a medal for something else but a peace prize? How exactly is he helping to bring peace to the world?
"Do you think we could wipe out world hunger forever if scientists figured out how to make AOL's Free CD's edible?"-
We should put that post in the OED as the perfect, textbook example of "FUD".
We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
"Snowden destroyed what little faith the world had in the US to get shit done. To make mission."
Are you a Terminator? You kind of talk like one.
We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
"We made a mistake giving a Nobel Peace Prize to Obama. Now we are making up for it."
I think you mean veracity although voracity is probably more appropriate in this case :-)
It may come as a surprise to you, but other countries have laws too.
5). General Alexander: "This is Chewbacca..."
What about the ones that document programs's results? That would seem to imply that they made it into the real world.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
I nominate Obama to have his Nobel Peace Prize RESCINDED.
Could Snowden's winning the Nobe Peace Prize actually make him less viable a target for assassination? Just spitballing here.
You embarrass yourself more with every post. And I regret posting anonymously, but you strike me as the type of person who would hunt someone down and shoot them because they have an opinion different from yours.
Then some special forces could invade the Nobel ceremony and kill Snowden, pick it's body and throw him to some cold ocean !
I thought nothing could br dumber than giving this to 0bama
Which doesn't invalidate with my point.
Clarifying car analogy: Stealing a car which is about to be made a gift without your knowledge, is still theft.
Also, you should be more concerned that Jeb knew the 'result' before the count was in.
Requiem for the American Dream
He's not a head of state or terrorist leader, and he didn't end a war because he never started one. He didn't even promise to close a torture camp.
Doesn't a farmer deserve a Nobel Prize?
Casteism
The Nobel Commitee should take back Obama's Peace Prize by the way of a drone and deliver it to Snowden
Die in a fire.
Mom?
Hoist Number One and Number Six.
from the NY Times...
The N.S.A. broke federal privacy laws, or exceeded its authority, thousands of times per year, according to the agency’s own internal auditor.
The agency broke into the communications links of major data centers around the world, allowing it to spy on hundreds of millions of user accounts and infuriating the Internet companies that own the centers. Many of those companies are now scrambling to install systems that the N.S.A. cannot yet penetrate
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You are a dumb ass. There is no racism involved here, you dumb asshole. Do you also think people are being "racist" when they talk about George W Bush or John Fitzgerald Kennedy?
etc.
Your response doesn't help. You are using gasoline to put out a fire.
Still, that person said some very hurtful things. I think, hurtful because they strike a bit too close to home.
The thing is, you disagree with this other person, and you really need to work around that, somehow. I suspect it may involve some growing up. I hope you are equal to the task of staying alive long enough to age sufficiently and learn enough about the world, and how to conduct yourself in it, to mature sufficiently to participate in a meaningful dialogue, some day, some where.
I really do, because you clearly have passion, and like smoke indicates there is a fire nearby, where there is passion, sometimes there is a thought worth expressing in the vicinity.
Unfortunately, the invective just above, from you, shows no proof of that. None of it.
Good luck.
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