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Will Microsoft IIS Overtake Apache?

First time accepted submitter jcdr writes "February's 2014 Web Server Survey by Netcraft shows a massive increase [in the share of] Microsoft's web server since 2013. Microsoft's market share is now only 5.4 percentage points lower than Apache's, which is the closest it has ever been. If recent trends continue, Microsoft could overtake Apache within the next few months, ending Apache's 17+ year reign as the most common web server."

303 comments

  1. why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    With so many botnets taking over IIS, it seems only fair.

    1. Re: why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      If I remember correctly, Microsoft was paying large hosting providers like GoDaddy to use IIS over apache

    2. Re:why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Rubbish. I get that it's supposed to be humorous but usually one would base humor on some kernel of fact and there is none in your post.

    3. Re: why not? by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Funny

      Next: Paying consumers to use Surface instead of iPad as their go-to breakdancing training device.

    4. Re: why not? by dmiller1984 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't know if Microsoft paid them, but GoDaddy did move all of their parked sites to IIS by default instead of Apache, which caused a major percentage change for Microsoft.

    5. Re:why not? by Danzigism · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I seem to remember a substantial amount of botnets running on Linux servers that have Apache on them. Also thanks to poor coders with bad PHP, SQL injections are quite common as well. But this article is bound to spark knee-jerk reactions to OSS software fanatics. Just don't forget that tons of people are switching to nginx and lighttpd on a daily basis which also decreases Apache's use as well.

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    6. Re: why not? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If I remember correctly, Microsoft was paying large hosting providers like GoDaddy to use IIS over apache

      The evidence of that is the "all sites" graph which shows IIS's share increasing vs. the "active sites" graph which shows IIS's share plummeting. IIS appears to be hosting a lot of dead sites, ironically.

    7. Re: why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      SQL-injections usually result in an output of data or a valid login session or destruction of data. Remote code execution would be a rare thing.
      Bots usually prefer the taste of client computers. Massive botnets written in PHP inhabiting LINUX servers? Sure there are plenty of bugs in PHP, but that has nothing to do with either Apache or LINUX.

      Your point is invalid, my hair is a bird!

    8. Re: why not? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Funny

      IIS appears to be hosting a lot of dead sites

      Which is good news for the IIS performance metrics MS will be releasing... :-)

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    9. Re:why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      hmm... I think the issue is not "my web server is bester than UR webserver!!!"

      What makes IIS inferior to Apache in every way imaginable is the host OS. Windows is always the wrong choice for a server. When you build a desktop, it is not lean... needs a lot of stuff to be functional. Have 5000 workstations? Consider using Windows because it is a Swiss Army Knife OS and it can be managed. When you build a server, you don't include a shitton of insecure software that will never be used. Have a data center full of webservers? If you chose to run Windows, you either don't care about cost, or you don't care about your time, or you don't care about security, or you don't care about uptimes, or you can not be unconvinced that once size fits all, or some combination of these. Windows is the worst server imaginable due to its inherent problems that will never be fixed. Linux (or FreeBSD, NetBSD, ok any BSD) isn't all that much better than Windows, just a much less attractive target. Also, it runs a lot smoother, longer, and cheaper than Windows, and it always will.

    10. Re: why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Let the dead bury their own dead.

    11. Re: why not? by jellomizer · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Also many Cloud Platforms are giving a Windows Option. As many companies move their Intranet stuff to the cloud, all those internal IIS may be considered hosted more publicly.

      Combine with the fact that most of us in IT really don't care anymore. Windows Server and IIS have matured over the decade and for most stuff is good enough. Unlike the IIS 6 days where the system was just a open hole to attack.

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    12. Re: why not? by Sez+Zero · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The evidence of that is the "all sites" graph which shows IIS's share increasing vs. the "active sites" graph which shows IIS's share plummeting.

      I think the most interesting graph is the last: 1 million busiest sites. The downtick of Apache looks a lot like the opposite of the uptick for nginx. For busy sites, it seems nginx is separating from Google and IIS, but at the expense of Apache.

    13. Re: why not? by keltor · · Score: 1

      For a LOT of this it's just nginx being used by things like cloudflare and similar services, the actual site is still running Apache. At this point, I'm not 100% sure what in any reasonable configuration Apache would offer over nginx.

    14. Re:why not? by alexhs · · Score: 2, Funny

      Rubbish. I get that it's supposed to be humorous but usually one would base humor on some kernel of fact and there is none in your post.

      Isn't ntoskrnl.exe working for you ?

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    15. Re: why not? by keltor · · Score: 1

      Definitely not SQL injection hacks, but poor PHP code can result in a root level RCE. It's mostly rare now-a-days though since most PHP is run in a userlimited or nobody fashion even if the code is bad, it can only affect the "site". None the less the number of "consumer" bots has always WAAAAAY exceeded the number of servers - actually probably the number of physical servers that exist in total.

    16. Re:why not? by keltor · · Score: 1

      More than a few of those Apaches are actually Apache on Windows. The problems with IIS are mostly IIS.

    17. Re: why not? by petermgreen · · Score: 5, Informative

      mmm, the "active sites" graph looks far more stable, apache is showing a slight downward trend recently but the market share it's losing doesn't seem to be going to MS

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    18. Re: why not? by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      It's pretty standard for retail products. Why would it be different for software?

    19. Re: why not? by petermgreen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      At this point, I'm not 100% sure what in any reasonable configuration Apache would offer over nginx.

      A couple of things i've noticed

      1: The combination of nginx and php can be a pain. It's easy enough to make it work for the root of a hostname but if you then add a subdirectory of the domain that is mapped to a different local directory it breaks because nginx passes the wrong path to php. I belive it's possible to make things work again with a sufficiantly complex configuration but I haven't figured out how yet. In my case I just worked arround it by using subdomains.
      2: Some more specialist stuff may rely on specific apache modules that afaict don't have an nginx equivilent. For example mod_dav_svn or mod_mirrorbrain.

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    20. Re: why not? by Giblet535 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Most of us in IT" probably doesn't mean what I think you think it means. Most **employed** IT folks want 100% uptime, or as close to it as possible. They like good performance too. With Apache or nginx, to run insanely fast for a couple of years at a time is normal. Windows can't run a month w/o needing a reboot, and IIS is slower than the Ancient Elders of the Molasses Tribe copulate in February.

    21. Re: why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't imagine why they would host parked sites on a paid-for web server instead of Apache, unless they got something sweet out of the deal

    22. Re: why not? by JohnNemesh · · Score: 1

      "I'm happy! I'm happy!" *WHACK* - Throws IIS on the cart....

    23. Re: why not? by Giblet535 · · Score: 1

      There are NO limits to the mischief that poor programming can enable, even on a great platform. Microsoft doesn't have a *total* monopoly on poor software design just because it's the past two decades' poster child. There have been plenty of hare-brained ideas implemented on Unix, Solaris, MacOS, and Linux platforms. Even Windows' ancient babydaddy, the venerable VMS, had some epic failures (that all seem to have been ported to WNT for some weird reason). The trick is to recognize those bad ideas (IE) and fix or eliminate them.

    24. Re: why not? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      a major percentage change for Microsoft.

      The answer to your question.

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    25. Re: why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It definitely sounds like GoDaddy got paid to do it.

    26. Re: why not? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "I don't know if Microsoft paid them, but GoDaddy did move all of their parked sites to IIS by default instead of Apache, which caused a major percentage change for Microsoft."

      And why not, especially if Microsoft is paying them to do it? Those parked sites only represent a miniscule fraction of bandwidth, but as you say, make a big percentage difference in perceived market share.

      Smooth move, Microsoft. You bring "lying with statistics" to a whole new level.

    27. Re: why not? by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      Informative? Why on earth would it be true?

    28. Re: why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They did it in the past as well, I would think it serves their PR drones with talking points for prospective clients...

    29. Re: why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. We use loadbalancers and standby instances to handle that. Do you have a single webserver that never gets updated?

    30. Re: why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Windows can't run a month w/o needing a reboot, and IIS is slower than the Ancient Elders of the Molasses Tribe copulate in February."
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    31. Re:why not? by Danzigism · · Score: 0

      It sounds like you haven't used Windows Server since the NT 4 days. If you want high availability and failover clustering, Microsoft has made leaps and bounds over setting up those kinds of infrastructures. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to configure them either. It's incredibly quick especially considering their improvements of Hyper-V nodes when using proper SANs. The OS is only as secure as you allow your network to be. Microsoft admitted themselves that 95% of security updates were to patch GUI related issues with Windows Server. How did they fix that issue? Simple. By releasing Server Core which has absolutely no GUI. Administrators nowadays use RSAT tools and remote PowerShell to configure their servers, and add new server roles and features. I've been administering Linux web servers for years and I still will continue to use Apache simply because I know it well. But it's obvious to me that the main attractive targets are Linux and Unix servers because they boast security. When in reality, you can search on YouTube for a video right now on how to run a script to root someone's box.

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    32. Re: why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually, most of us **employed** IT folks have used Windows and IIS in the last 8 years and know that tired bullshit isn't true. Not to mention the fact that if your Apache server has been running for "a couple of years" then it's littered with unpatched security problems. Or the fact that if you want 100% (although most **employed** IT Folks would never, ever use that number) uptime, you need a cluster, in which case rebooting when needed isn't all that big of a deal.

    33. Re: why not? by rtaylor · · Score: 1

      Next time your boss pulls out his list of Key Performance Indicators remember that they will get what they measure; game the system for your review.

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    34. Re: why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      IIS, Where bad sites go to die.

      How's that for a catchy marketing slogan ?

    35. Re:why not? by jbo5112 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The reason for knee jerk reactions is probably because the article actually shows no notable uptick in Microsoft's market share of active sites. It's just a sensationalist summary of some poorly analyzed data. For doing actual web serving (not just parked domain serving), they've fallen to 3rd, being beaten by both Apache and nginx. According to the numbers, 93.0% of Microsoft's sites are inactive, and they are leveraging 86.1% of the growth in inactive sites. Microsoft is now the leading web server for inactive sites. In other words, IIS does nothing better than the competition

    36. Re: why not? by richlv · · Score: 1

      3. nginx recently went open core. gets you hooked and then charges you. i also call that "fake opensource"

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    37. Re:why not? by jbo5112 · · Score: 1

      I should add that those numbers are based on just the 4 major servers. They don't include exact numbers for others on the page, but it will only look worse for Microsoft if you track them down.

    38. Re: why not? by burne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > Windows can't run a month w/o needing a reboot

      Regardless, I reboot all my linux, unix and bsd boxes once a month too. Just to be sure anything can rebooted by a noc monkey without disturbing my sleep.

      During daytime, yes. Redundancy is a lie unless you test it periodically.

    39. Re:why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was mostly particular hosting companies running frontpage extensions on apache. Try some actual recent facts that means something like a large majority of the active sites still using apache.

    40. Re:why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I maintain mutliple large scale ESX and HyperV clusters. Saying "considering their improvements of Hyper-V nodes when using proper SANs" does not mean much. Okay, every year or so HyperV does improve but only relative to the previous years version. It is no closer to ease of use and stability of VMware which is also improving every year. I will admit, VMware switches things up and changes defaults like fiber path selection and multipathing and such and various functionality with every release but at least the actual bare metal hyper-visor portion of ESX and the storage and networking are rock solid and reliable. The tools to manage it might not be as stable, the web based interface leaves some to be desired, single sign on is a crap shoot, certificates are a major PITA but when they fail to work, the ESX server stays running and your virtual machines stay running and you can always connect directly to the ESX server with the native vSphere client and mage it locally at that level until you can get the management parts working again. Not so for HyperV.

    41. Re:why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another PHP hater.

    42. Re: why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That could also explain why I've seen a lot of GoDaddy ads on TV lately. Microsoft wants to change a number or a statistic (like web server survey by Netcraft) and suddenly GoDaddy has a lot of cash, and people who run really tiny websites (and no intention of ever getting bigger), and suddenly there is a perfect fit. Microsoft can pay GoDaddy, so everyone using GoDaddy must use microsoft. Its like Honda buying parkades in Tokyo, and only people driving Hondas can use the parkade. If you work/live in a particular area, and there are no Honda parkades near where you live, you had better buy a different car. This is like that.

    43. Re: why not? by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      so while those parked sites were on apache it wasn't lying? Hosters are more likely a target for them as they showcase being able to manage a very large set of domains on the server, I really doubt they are chasing purely a stats win, IIS has had a solid market share for a long time now and such stats would be pointless.

    44. Re: why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as these parked websites are included in the statistics then the statistics are going to "lye" in one direction or another. That's not microsoft's fault

    45. Re: why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except you need it facing out to run your VPN and outlook lite mail client for the boss. Lots of my company's "bits" face out for exposed Microsoft services... I'd venture they all "report" as IIS when they're just one canned page.

    46. Re: why not? by spongman · · Score: 1

      Infrequently rebooting boxes is a problem for you? You're doing it wrong.

    47. Re:why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the luddite poor coders are all using IIS and windows, no? Of course! I don't mean to spark knee-jerk reactions to mickeysoft software fanatics. Just truthing up. IIS is like the dead letter office of the internet.

    48. Re: why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop being a fucking retard. Windows server can run indefinitely without reboot. Stop living in 90s - when you needed to reboot Linux every month to apply new kernel if you wanted to be at least a bit secure.

    49. Re: why not? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Then what's the point?

      GP wrote (or at least implied) that Microsoft paid GoDaddy to switch to IIS. The question is WHY? These are parked domains that use up virtually zero bandwidth, except for the occasional mis-typed URL or Whois. Performance is definitely not an issue. So you use the cheapest servers you can get and damn the performance.

      So I ask again: why would Microsoft pay them to do it? If THEY paid, then it wasn't for sales. It wasn't to prove their performance. In fact I don't see any motivation at all, except for possibly market share.

      If you can think of any other plausible motivation for them to do that, I'd be happy to hear it.

    50. Re: why not? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Correction: not even whois, because that goes to the nameservers, not the host domains.

    51. Re: why not? by smash · · Score: 1

      for most people, the "site" is the entire point of running the service. so compromising the site is almost as bad as compromising the host.

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    52. Re:why not? by smash · · Score: 1

      have you heard of server core?

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    53. Re: why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At this point, I'm not 100% sure what in any reasonable configuration Apache would offer over nginx.

      A couple of things i've noticed

      1: The combination of nginx and php can be a pain. It's easy enough to make it work for the root of a hostname but if you then add a subdirectory of the domain that is mapped to a different local directory it breaks because nginx passes the wrong path to php. I belive it's possible to make things work again with a sufficiantly complex configuration but I haven't figured out how yet. In my case I just worked arround it by using subdomains.
      2: Some more specialist stuff may rely on specific apache modules that afaict don't have an nginx equivilent. For example mod_dav_svn or mod_mirrorbrain.

      502 bad gateway nginx is the thing I notice mostly about that software on sites that use it...

    54. Re: why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact I don't see any motivation at all, except for possibly market share.

      Translation: I can't think of any other reason therefore my reasoning is correct.

      Argument via ignorance. The go-to thinking strategy of religious zealots, anti-ms trolls and other misc. mouth breathers.

      If you can think of any other plausible motivation for them to do that, I'd be happy to hear it.

      Sane people operate the other way. You have to first *demonstrate* with evidence why anyone should believe what you believe. Unless you're auditioning your mind-reading skills....

    55. Re:why not? by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Really, have you actually booted into server core on 2012? Thought not because unlike a Linux or Unix based box when you boot without a GUI you get a text mode interface, aka something that could be redirected over a serial console, when you boot server core you get the Unix equivalent of starting an X11 server with TWM and an xterm, albeit with a modern look. It is however most decidedly a GUI as I can move about my PowerShell window on the desktop, resize it and start other ones. I have to confesses that I was most disappointed.

      I will also confess that I was terribly disappointed that to get a remote PowerShell on a Windows server I have to have a PowerShell to begin with. Yes there is third party software that will allow me to SSH in to a Windows server and get a PowerShell, the issue is what the hell where Microsoft thinking not making this standard. It is not like SSH is even evil GPL software, its BSD licensed for heavens sake.

    56. Re: why not? by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      What I don't get is why so many here get all pissy about it when it is just common damned sense!

      I mean if I gave free PCs to 10 people and got a 1000 sales of brand new PCs for doing so why I'd be a fricking retard not to jump on that because I'd be making a shitload more profit than if I just sold those 10 PCs, right? So if MSFT having that little bullet point brings in a lot more business, especially knowing those are NOT costing them dick (because GoDaddy would never buy IIS for parked domains so its not a lost sale) well they'd be stupid NOT to jump on that!

      So I don't see what the problem is, I really don't. Its simply smart business to try to turn a negative into a positive and from the looks of TFA handing out licenses for those parked domains is quite obviously paying for itself with positive publicity, something MSFT has had damned little of as of late, so its just good business. If this is the work of that cloud guy that just got named CEO? Good for him, lets hope he shows as much good sense and gives us a real successor to Windows 7 and puts Ballmer's Folly out to pasture where it belongs, right beside the Zune and Kin and Sidekick, Vista, that ad company he paid out the ass for...wow did Ballmer do ANYTHING besides Win 7 that didn't bomb or blow mountains of money? Don't say Xbox because we don't even know if they made a dime on it yet, nobody has crunched the numbers and added up the cost of the R&D and the 2.something billion the RROD cost them so for all we know its still in the red.

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    57. Re: why not? by Stuarticus · · Score: 2

      Want frequent reboots, sometimes when you didn't even ask for them? Use IIS!

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    58. Re: why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's not necessarily the case that if your linux server has been running a couple of years that it must be unpatched. No one does it, least of all for a web server, but you can use ksplice to patch the kernel while it is running. And of course updating apache while it is running is more trivial. Your general point stands, but we freetards do get to hassle you about needing to reboot for updates, at least until Microsoft open-sources the Windows kernel.

    59. Re: why not? by petermgreen · · Score: 2

      Nginx doesn't do dynamic content by itself so when you have dynamic content on a site hosted on nginx it has to pass those to another process over a suitable protocol (http, fastcgi, uwsgi etc).

      502 bad gateway usually indicates a problem with that "other process", that may be caused by administrative actions , bugs in the backend process or overloading but either way it isn't really nginx's fault. You can get similar errors from apache or squid, you just don't see them deployed in this manner as often.

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    60. Re:why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the fuck this drivel got modded up to +5?

    61. Re: why not? by DrStoooopid · · Score: 1

      lol@IIS has matured....clearly someone has their MSCE.

      It's time Microsoft got with the program and got on board the *nix train and port their software over accordingly. The entire computing world would benefit, Unix/Linux/Mac/and PC.

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    62. Re: why not? by Giblet535 · · Score: 1

      I can see restarting in-house buggy services, sure, but the entire system? Just to be sure that a system can restart during naps?! You're either bonkers, or understand very little about how ux systems (and hardware) work. 'Fess up: you're a Windows alpha, working up to uxwannabe.

  2. Hell no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you kidding?

  3. Probably by mcgrew · · Score: 0

    They went MS-Only where I work last year, traded in the Novell networking gear. MS has some sort of nonsense called "active directory" that all the pointy haired bosses love, and iinm you almost have to be 100% MS.

    But really, it doesn't make much difference to me, now that I'm retiring and no longer will have to deal with MS's crappy software. God but I hate Access and Outlook (Excel's still the best spreadsheet, but I hate all spreadsheets).

    1. Re:Probably by asmkm22 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds more like you just hate the industry you work in. It's probably best that you're leaving.

    2. Re:Probably by dave562 · · Score: 1

      *ring* *ring* *ring*

      You hear that? That is the 1990s calling. They want their nostalgia back. (I say this as someone who used to be a CNE and who started his career with Netware)

      Do you work for the government, either Federal, State or local? That is the only place I see Novell anymore.

    3. Re:Probably by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 0

      Something called "active directory", huh? You sure do seem tuned in with technology, I predict a long and fruitful career, lolzers.

    4. Re:Probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Glad to hear it's not just our pointy haired bosses who point at MS for every solution. MS has it's place, just not in email and LDAP services.

    5. Re:Probably by afidel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Banks, they're extremely conservative and NDS's ability to replicate a sub-portion of the directory to each branch location helps keep bandwidth usage down, which can be important if you have hundreds or thousands of locations in podunk towns. I can also see using it if you're a anti-MS shop as it's the best directory server other than AD.

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    6. Re:Probably by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

      LDAP services? Lolwut? Active Directory is incredibly nice. Ridiculously stable and very powerful. What concrete issues do you have with it? Same with Exchange in terms of corporate mail/voice/Lync/etc.. services.

      I work in a large corporation and I don't recall ever having issues with AD unless someone on the support team does something silly, which has happened like 5 times in 17 years.

    7. Re:Probably by dave562 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Novell totally blew it. It was a sad day as I watched NT 4.0 servers creep into our environment. Novell had LDAP based NDS long before Microsoft cobbled together AD. It was a much better solution and they brought it to market way ahead of the competition.

    8. Re:Probably by Bert64 · · Score: 3

      "pass the hash" and "mimikatz"... two serious problems with AD...

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    9. Re:Probably by wagnerrp · · Score: 1

      I predict a long and fruitful career, lolzers.

      now that I'm retiring

      Or not...

    10. Re:Probably by tigersha · · Score: 2

      Sounds like my colleauge. "I hate Javascript" "I hate tablets" "I hate Micsosoft". "I hate PDF files" "I hate non-vi editors"

      For all X where X is not Gentoo Linux and VI he hates X

      Everytime he hates I just know since he hates X he has never worked with X so he in incompetent when it comes to X. And have always been correct in that assumption.

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    11. Re:Probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nobody with even half a brain-cell should use Access for anything serious anymore. Access is an abomination that Microsoft should've just stopped selling at all once they began distributing SQL Server (SS) Express. There is literally nothing that Access can do that can't be done with far fewer headaches with SS Express and Visual Studio Express (VSE), even by "non-techies".

      If you want to put together a database, that's what SS Express does. Use Management Studio (SSMS) to design it graphically, both table structure and queries. If you want reports to run against that database, VSE can be used to design the report layout and integrate it with a data source. Once you've done that, VSE can run a preview for you so you can see what it looks like. Then VSE can also deploy to your production server. If you want some data-entry forms, again, use VSE. Start a "WinForms" project if you're used to making Access forms. If you want to learn a newer and more data-driven way that works almost like a web page, start a "WPF" project. If you just want it to work on the web, start a "WebForms" project. Any of these projects can be done in VB (if you're used to Access, you're probably already familiar with it) or C# (for those that hate VB and/or prefer C-like syntax). And again, when you're code-complete you can debug locally and deploy to production with a single click.

      People are far too put-off by the idea of programming. Oddly enough, this is doubly true for Access programmers who are already doing programming work, but in an environment that, while familiar to them, is causing them far more problems than it's actually solving.

    12. Re:Probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have worked with javascript, and I hate it. It's only slightly less fractal than PHP.

    13. Re:Probably by operagost · · Score: 1

      MS has some sort of nonsense called "active directory"

      That nonsense is a mature technology that has been around since Windows 2000 was released. It was one of the first enterprise products Microsoft seriously started building around open standards like Kerberos and LDAP.

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    14. Re:Probably by operagost · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, those concern serious problems with NTLM and LM. Both of those not only aren't part of AD, they predate it. That's also why security standards now require NTLMv2 be enabled and older authentication methods be refused.

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    15. Re:Probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm using ADHD - it is Active Directory but in high definition. I am also the designated scrum-bag on our scrum dev team.

    16. Re:Probably by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 2

      Lol. Do you even AD, Bro? Neither of those is AD related.

    17. Re:Probably by Xest · · Score: 1

      Out of interest, what mail/calendaring client do you prefer to Outlook?

      I ask because for the first 7 years of my working life I was stuck with Outlook and I hated it too. At least, I thought I did.

      Then I worked three years with Lotus Notes. Then 2 years with GMail.

      Holy fucking mother of god am I glad to be at a company that uses Outlook once more.

    18. Re:Probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have worked with javascript, and I hate it. It's only slightly less fractal than PHP.

      Actually, Javascript is a pretty cool language. It's just trapped with the legacy of stupid Java-inspired syntax and the Netscape guys being in such a rush that they didn't bother designing anything properly. Underneath the inanity, Javascript has good parts.

      PHP, on the other hand, is just bad. And when you look past the surface badness, it's just more badness. PHP originally was never intended to be used by the public, and it shouldn't ever have been published.

    19. Re:Probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everytime he hates I just know since he hates X he has never worked with X so he in incompetent when it comes to X. And have always been correct in that assumption.

      Sounds more like he has principles and doesn't like to support things he disagrees with.

      Other people, have no principles, no conscience, and do not care what evil they support, so long as they get their check.

    20. Re:Probably by LDAPMAN · · Score: 1

      Put 400 million users in it and see what happens.... Believe it or not, eDirectory (formerly NDS) is used extensively for massive directories.

    21. Re:Probably by smash · · Score: 1

      AD is basically LDAP + DNS + Kerberos, but don't let facts get in the way of a good rant. I hate Microsoft as much as the next guy, but as far as distributed authentication and configuration goes, the Linux / Free Unix world is now several decades behind. Yes, you can build your own distributed LDAP configuration store. Or you can point and click your way to having one up and running in half an hour.

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    22. Re:Probably by smash · · Score: 1

      I think you mean that other people aren't driven by ideology and use the best tool to get the fucking job done in a timely manner. Whether that is Microsoft/open source or whatever.

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    23. Re:Probably by smash · · Score: 1

      Because everybody has 400 million users in their environment....

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    24. Re:Probably by LDAPMAN · · Score: 1

      More people have multi-million entry directories than you would think. Not all of them are "users". For example, Time Warner Cable uses eDirectory to hold the configurations for their millions of set top boxes.

    25. Re:Probably by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Out of interest, what mail/calendaring client do you prefer to Outlook?

      Every single one I've used. I only use an email client to send and receive mail, none of that calendar or other extra features. I'm completely put off by that damned ribbon interface.

      I haven't used Lotus Notes but will agree about gmail (or any other browser based email for that matter). Judging by Lotus' other products, I'm guessing I'd hate notes, too.

      I was perfectly happy with Novell's twenty year old client. I use Thunderbird at home.

    26. Re:Probably by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      LOL, I'm retiring at the end of this month, you young guys can have my job. And no, I'm not a network admin, my comments were from a user's perspective; I mostly program (actually programmed since they moved off the mainframe and onto Access) databases.

    27. Re:Probably by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 0

      AD would handle this fine as well.

    28. Re:Probably by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      If I'd seen Outlook as an improvement rather than a productivity drainer I'd welcome it. Nostalgia? Yeah, when something good is replaced by something awful (have you been subjected to slashdot beta yet?), yeah, I get nostalgic. Do I miss vacuum tubes and automotive carburetors? Hell no. I'm going to miss slashdot when they get rid of classic.

      I don't miss Novell, I just hate its replacement and will be glad I'm rid of it this month (I'm retiring).

    29. Re:Probably by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      No, just the awful, poorly designed tools they've been buying for the last decade.

    30. Re:Probably by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      mimikatz works *because* of the kerberos support introduced for AD (and two other modules which keep plain text passwords in memory but those are easier to disable)...
      You can also hash pass with NTLMv2 just fine.

      Also assuming you actually wanted to crack passwords, the hashing is extremely weak by modern standards - weaker than the unsalted sha-1 that linkedin were panned for using.

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    31. Re:Probably by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      http://digital-forensics.sans....

      your choice is between kerberos support (to join an ad domain), or having your plaintext password stored in memory and extractable with mimikatz (which would be a violation of virtually every security standard ever written but ms seem to get a free pass), they are very much related.

      and yes hash passing is ad related too, because it uses authentication protocols which are vulnerable to such attacks. sure it can use others too like ldap, but is it ever actually configured that way? and is it possible to make windows clients join the domain only using ldap for auth?

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  4. It was bound to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apache is turning into one of the dinosaurs of the information age, being overtaken by the likes of Nginx and Lighttpd left and right but refusing to die already. IIS also is hardly the crippled pile of steaming crap which it used to be.

    1. Re:It was bound to happen by geminidomino · · Score: 5, Funny

      IIS also is hardly the crippled pile of steaming crap which it used to be.

      This is very true. It's made a lot of progress in the past few years, and is now an almost unrecognizable, completely new pile of steaming crap.

    2. Re:It was bound to happen by SJHillman · · Score: 2

      You mean they put a Ribbon on it? That seems to be Microsoft's go-to technique for refreshing crap heaps.

    3. Re:It was bound to happen by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

      It's easy to say something like that, any tool can do so. Do you have concrete examples of why/how IIS is a pile of steaming crap? And not stuff people like to repeat but which isn't true (Uhh, you have to restart it all the time!).

    4. Re:It was bound to happen by porjo · · Score: 1

      I agree. Apache was and is awesome, but getting less relevant as the months pass. In addition to Nginx/Lighttpd is the growing use of web application stacks that incorporate a web server e.g. Golang

    5. Re:It was bound to happen by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      they put Ruby on Rails on it... well, "ASP.NET MVC Razor" which basically took all the most interesting and useful bits of Rails and put them into this C# framework.

      Its quite popular. Very popular. When I was looking for my last contract, roughly 8 out of 10 jobs were asking for it.

    6. Re:It was bound to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, now IIS runs from the cloud.

    7. Re:It was bound to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to go all the way back to dinosaurs.
      sendmail (apache) vs. postfix (nginx)

  5. Apache still dominates active sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the closest competition is nginx, not IIS.

    1. Re:Apache still dominates active sites by OliWarner · · Score: 1

      Mod this up! It's really significant. See: http://www.netcraft.com/active...

      The global (unfiltered) figures are useless. The spike could be one IIS server with a mass of IPv6 IPs pointing at it.

  6. large hosting company using IIS != IIS popularity by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Netcraft says, "Microsoft gained a staggering 48 million sites this month, increasing its total by 19% â" most of this growth is attributable to new sites hosted by Nobis Technology Group." I have no idea WFT Nobis Technology Group is, but that suggests that what is essentially one large installation swings Netcraft's idea of "the most common web server."

    And that's a broken way of counting. If ten servers using Server A serve ten sites each, and one server with Server B serves 1,000 sites,Server A is still the most common web server, with ten times the installation base of Server B.

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  7. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by jaymz666 · · Score: 1, Troll

    you're high

  8. Re:I'm switching to IIS! by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Funny

    The MS shills are out in force posting as AC, you mean?

  9. Very different when ... by Martin+S. · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The results look very different when you look where the traffic is going:

    Developer January 2014 Percent February 2014 Percent Change

    Apache 98,129,017 54.50% 94,741,928 52.68% -1.81

    nginx 21,548,550 11.97% 24,206,737 13.46% 1.49

    Microsoft 20,901,626 11.61% 21,196,966 11.79% 0.18

    Google 15,386,518 8.54% 15,245,912 8.48% -0.07

    1. Re:Very different when ... by tgd · · Score: 5, Funny

      It also looks very different if you sort them by name:

      Apache
      Google
      Microsoft
      nginx

    2. Re:Very different when ... by eneville · · Score: 1

      Bytes, or even hits is a much better metric than "just up and serving a site". Just buying a bunch of domains, or even IP addresses is pathetic. IIS would not be my first choice for holding sites anyway, but that's my preference.

    3. Re:Very different when ... by nitehawk214 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Much more different if you sort the words by letter.

      aacehp
      eggloo
      cfimoorst
      inngx

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    4. Re:Very different when ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Much more different if you sort the words by letter.

      ...
      inngx

      I think you need to get your sorting algorithm checked:
      > 'nginx'.split('').sort().join('');
      ginnx

    5. Re:Very different when ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Much more different if you sort the words by letter.

      aacehp eggloo cfimoorst inngx

      Ever consider a career in marketing?

    6. Re:Very different when ... by bheerssen · · Score: 1

      Where can I download the eggloo server? I am intrigued.

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    7. Re:Very different when ... by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      I am not sure, but it probably runs this website.

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    8. Re:Very different when ... by elementai · · Score: 1

      "Nginx" even has a very reliable name that sounds the same even after sorting.

  10. nginx is replacing apache by madmatty · · Score: 2

    Nginx instances are rapidly replacing apache setups , so this should be IIS vs Nginx

    1. Re:nginx is replacing apache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, Apache is losing to other OSS projects, not IIS.

      And rightfully so. Nginx is a fantastic piece of software.

    2. Re:nginx is replacing apache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most companies really don't need the speed of Nginx, it's good, so is Apache, so are other options. One thing Apache still has over Nginx (+others) is 3rd party module support (closed source/commercial).

    3. Re:nginx is replacing apache by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      A lot of modules are using things like FastCGI so that they have process isolation between them and the web server (for both security and stability). The main advantage of Nginx isn't the speed, it's that it's easier to configure than Apache, and that's a fairly compelling advantage for people who don't need all of the features of Apache.

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    4. Re:nginx is replacing apache by frinkster · · Score: 1

      Nginx instances are rapidly replacing apache setups , so this should be IIS vs Nginx

      If you push a Node.js application to Azure, Microsoft uses IIS to serve the static files while Node.js uses Nginx for its http module.

      How does that get counted? What about all the instances of Nginx serving as a load balancer in front of a set of Apache servers?

  11. obligatory xkcd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    xkcd.com/... anybody?

    1. Re:obligatory xkcd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      xkcd.com/... anybody?

      ok:
      http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Extrapolation

    2. Re:obligatory xkcd... by dottrap · · Score: 1

      Maybe this one?
      http://xkcd.com/605/

    3. Re:obligatory xkcd... by dougisfunny · · Score: 1

      Of course this one is also relevant.
      http://xkcd.com/1022/

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    4. Re:obligatory xkcd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel that this one sums things up better.

  12. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by tripleevenfall · · Score: 2

    Why has Apache started to lose ground?

  13. Sensationalist summary :( by janoc · · Score: 5, Informative

    One needs to look beyond the first graph that shows all sites surveyed to look at the actually active sites - there Apache appears to have more *active* deployments than the rest combined. Counting inactive, parked domains is not really indicative of particular server popularity.

  14. NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Funny

    NETCRAFT IS DEAD!

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    1. Re:NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... BSD confirms it!

    2. Re:NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT! by doti · · Score: 1

      ... in soviet Russia!

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    3. Re:NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT! by fgb · · Score: 1

      ... Profit!

    4. Re:NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT! by Melkman · · Score: 2

      ... covered in hot grits !

    5. Re:NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT! by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      ... a beowulf cluster of 'em!

    6. Re:NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT! by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      ... you insensitive clod!

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    7. Re:NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT! by gabereiser · · Score: 2

      ... sean bean has been confirmed for the sequel!

    8. Re:NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Natalie Portman's agent just woke up in a cold sweat in fear that she is no longer held dear by ./ers

      But thankfully this post was made, so Natalie Portman's agent can roll over and go back to sleep.

      Just not with Natalie Portman.

      Because I'm doing that right now.

      Giggety.

    9. Re:NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT! by tigersha · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we were all watching you on youtube thanks to some anonymous hacker and your laptop's webcam

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    10. Re:NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT! by operagost · · Score: 1

      ... in Afghanistan, on a Commodore!

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    11. Re:NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In South Korea only old people...

    12. Re:NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... uphill both ways!

    13. Re:NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT! by genner · · Score: 1

      NETCRAFT IS DEAD!

      and no one is left to confirm it.

    14. Re:NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      ...all the way down.

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    15. Re:NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT! by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Much like The Game, I had conveniently forgotten that for quite a long time.

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    16. Re:NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just pooped my pants!

    17. Re:NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT! by petteyg359 · · Score: 1

      What's a ./er?

  15. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Again Slashdot?
    Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.

    1. Re:No by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.

      This is not true. There is probably some statistical probability which says that most headlines which end in a question mark can be answered with a "no". But not all of them.

  16. Licensing costs? by dysmal · · Score: 1

    On a completely unrelated topic, Microsoft records record profits: http://news.slashdot.org/story...

  17. Gee, look at how full that parking lot is by daboochmeister · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Parked domains are a pretty poor measure.

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    1. Re:Gee, look at how full that parking lot is by flonker · · Score: 1

      Also, due to the new ICANN email verification requirement, there is going to be an increase in the number of "parked" domains.

  18. Massive increase in one graph... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look at the graphs for 'Web server developers: Market share of active sites' and 'Web server developers: Market share of the top million busiest sites'. No need for concern unless your site is hosted using IIS.

  19. Re:large hosting company using IIS != IIS populari by mtippett · · Score: 5, Informative

    Exactly. A bit of sensationalism in the story.

    All Sites (included millions of parked) are in 38%/%32 mix. Looking 600 pixels down and you see the active (non parked sites). The percentage is 52% vs 11%. The big drop in for MS in 2009 was probably a nail in the coffin...

  20. Netcraft confirms it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also, BSD is dying ...

  21. From TFA by furbyhater · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since I've unexpectedly RTFA, just a heads up, the headline is even more biased than usual. On the total number of active websites, there are still about 10x as many apache websites than IIS. Same picture for the top million busiest sites. There's almost no yearly change, and the server gaining the most marketshare is NGINX.

    I'm starting to believe the hearsay: Slashdot has really been totally overrun by astroturfers (in this case paid by Microsoft). Maybe dice sells a number of "promotional posts" on a biased article to various companies, one of them being Microsoft?

    1. Re:From TFA by jratcliffe · · Score: 1

      Maybe dice sells a number of "promotional posts" on a biased article to various companies, one of them being Microsoft?

      Or maybe they're trying a "two wrongs make a right" balance for the garbage "IE's share is plummeting!!!" post from last week?

    2. Re:From TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Let's see.

      Explanation one: Atroturfers! Microsoft is paying Dice to pimp IIS on _fucking Slashdot_, where few have technical knowledge that would have exceptional for someone in 1995.

      Explanation two: Dice knows they can rile up the neckbeards by posting an article showing something positive about Microsoft and get people to come post the same obnoxious nonsense in post after post, all the while racking up advertising loads.

      Yeah, I know which is more likely.

    3. Re:From TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have created a Beowulf Cluster of Stallmans.

      It's horrifying.

    4. Re:From TFA by jcdr · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Hi, I am the submitter of this story. Believe or not, I am really not connected to Microsoft, directly or indirectly. I am the co-founder of a very small company that provides services for embedded electronics and almost exclusively use Linux. I submitted this story after reading the monthly Netcraft email news. I wondering how Microsoft marketing team could possibly use the potential news "ISS > Apache" and how the OSS community will react to that news.

      Reading many comments, It look like the "ISS > Apache" event is probably unavoidable because of the rise of Nginx that eat Apache share and the fact that Nginx is still less used that ISS in the first graph. Still the ISS fast increase is hard to explain by reading the comments. Is that only smoke that affect only the first graph, or an other trend that will drive the others graphs ?

    5. Re: From TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WYSIWYG! LibreEmacs-style!

    6. Re:From TFA by jcdr · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but I am not connected either nor to Dice, not to Microsoft. I submitted the story simply because I wanted to understand the ground of the fast ISS raise in the first graph.

    7. Re:From TFA by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      s/ISS/IIS/g

      They aren't using Internet Information Services on the International Space Station, are they?

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    8. Re:From TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lying sack of shit.

    9. Re:From TFA by gabrygenoa · · Score: 1

      It's easy to explain... GoDaddy and other hosting companies use IIS to "keep" parked domains. Someone wrote that Microsoft pay them to use IIS... I don't know if it's true. The only chart where IIS grow is present is the one that considers inactive sites. Other sites show IIS is as dead as usual and the only growing web server is ngix, that is anyway often used only as frontend for apache...

    10. Re:From TFA by jcdr · · Score: 1

      As you say "I don't know if it's true". I hope that someone can raise some tangible prove of that scenario, even if the others graphs tend to make it likely true.

    11. Re:From TFA by Alioth · · Score: 1

      I have to wonder how many nginx installations are actual web servers. If Netcraft were to crawl our block of network addresses, they would list several sites being served by nginx. However, nginx is merely a reverse proxy and load balancer, all the actual webservers behind it run Apache. This kind of use forms a major use of nginx.

    12. Re:From TFA by jcdr · · Score: 1

      ...!
      I really wonder what is the life of the guy that have nothing more constructive to do than anonymously insulting me like this.
      Didn't expect this for my first story submission that is not so much more than a link to a relatively known web server statistics.

  22. Statistics? by PPH · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is a count of sites running web services, right? Not volume served out by each brand of server.

    Microsoft has had the practice of starting IIS on practically every server for the purpose of providing a web management interface. In some cases, without informing the system admin.

    Anecdote:

    Many years ago, when I managed a few Intranet sites at Boeing (SunOS, HP-UX, AIX, Linux), we had a variant of the Code Red worm infecting IIS systems. Admins of *NIX systems could see the propagation of the worm payload in our web logs, even though our systems were immune*. We collected the source IPs of infected systems and turned them over to computing security. The next thing we knew, we'd get calls from Windows server admins, claiming that their systems could not be infected, as they were not running IIS. "Look again." Configuring many services automatically triggers a start of IIS. And now you've got a service running that the admins don't know that they have to keep patched. So even when Microsoft released a fix, it never got applied since many admins figured it wasn't applicable to them. I would venture a guess that most Windows Server (and many client) systems are running IIS, even if it only displays the default installation page.

    *Typical Apache/*NIX systems just replied with a 404 since the target DLL didn't exist. But I wrote a Perl CGI that would capture the query source and fire back a Windows popup message to the effect that their machine was broadcasting an infection. I was surprised to see how many people with client (desktop) systems called me to ask when was going on.

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    1. Re:Statistics? by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      If you're not intending to run a web server then you shouldn't even have one installed...

      And if something is installed, it needs to be patched even if it isn't running.

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    2. Re:Statistics? by PPH · · Score: 1

      Don't tell me. Tell Microsoft.

      Either silently starting IIS is a ploy to boost numbers. Or they figure MCSEs are too dense to read prerequisites*, so they just do stuff without asking/telling.

      *This might be unfair. Its possible that they did something and got a Mr. Clippy popup that informed them of the step. But they just selected "Do it" and forgot. So, yeah. Dense.

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    3. Re:Statistics? by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      A fresh install of server 2000, 2003, 2008 or 2012 server does not install IIS.

      On the other hand some software will activate some IIS features but not the OS installation.

    4. Re:Statistics? by operagost · · Score: 1

      IIS has not been installed by default for at least 10 years now.

      Anyone running IIS 5.0 would have been hacked and gone down in flames long ago.

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  23. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by Tough+Love · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This kind of thing happens on a regular basis and is usually due to Microsoft making backroom deals with operators of parked domains, probably not paying in cash but in Windows license discounts for servers or hosting. Borderline illegal and classic Microsoft - don't ever be fooled into thinking that Microsoft has gotten itself a corporate personality transplant. The active sites graph tells the real story: Microsoft continues to languish. It is beyond me why Microsoft is so fixated on manipulating Netcraft stats.

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  24. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Informative

    I wouldn't go quite that far. I would say the two tools aren't really comparable anyway. Which one you use really depends on what you're using for your backend development. If you want .Net, you (pretty much) have to use IIS. If you use PHP, Python, Ruby, or other langauges, you most likely are going to be using Apache/Nginx.

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  25. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by iggymanz · · Score: 1, Insightful

    constantly in need of restart and quickest to get owned by crackers

    it's rubbish, bad enough to have to fight with it for internal use but only an idiot would expose that to internet. yes, had to deal with IIS for over a decade

  26. How about sum total of OSS web servers by wjcofkc · · Score: 2

    In the world of Open Source, I would also like to see the sum total of Open Source web servers VS. IIS:

    Nginx http://www.nginx.org/ ( really popular and at least this is in one of the graphs)
    Lighttpd http://www.lighttpd.net/ (personally, I have found many reasons use this one in the past and I'm sure I will again)
    Cherokee http://www.cherokee-project.co... (yet to explore past a basic setup)
    Roxen Webserver http://www.roxen.com/products/... (Still need to take for a spin)

    And then special purpose web servers.

    HTTP Explorer http://http-explorer.sourcefor...
    HFS HTTP File Server http://www.rejetto.com/hfs/

    At least that's all I can think of. Anybody else?
    I know some of these take up negligible market share, but I would still like to see their market share lumped together.

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    1. Re:How about sum total of OSS web servers by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      In the world of Open Source, I would also like to see the sum total of Open Source web servers VS. IIS

      Why? What makes "Open Source" so magical?

    2. Re: How about sum total of OSS web servers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Horizontal Scaling.

  27. Thank GoDaddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is due to GoDaddy shifting to IIS and now WHM/cPanel/Enkompass.. So, don't take this as the industry shifting when its not. GoDaddy has 10,000's of websites they host.

    1. Re:Thank GoDaddy by eneville · · Score: 1

      Didn't MS help with the funding for that in some way, or offer support?

  28. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by thaylin · · Score: 2

    I have used both, from working for a hosting provider as an administrator, to working for MS itself later, to my job now. Configuration of apache is only slightly more difficult in that you need to use a text editor instead of point and click hold handing, however IIS is no wear near as powerful in that you can do much more with it because of the slightly more difficult configuration. In addition it is more lightweight, and has better security.

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  29. IIS is actually pretty nice by neminem · · Score: 2

    I recently became acquainted with it at work, and it's actually quite nice to work with, I must say.

    Still, this post reminds me quite a lot of the xkcd about extrapolating off of one data point. It seems unlikely that IIS will overtake Apache; more likely there was a one-time shift due to some particular event.

    1. Re:IIS is actually pretty nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Still, this post reminds me quite a lot of the xkcd about extrapolating off of one data point.

      Even xkcd knows you need at least two data points to extrapolate.

  30. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative
    The last part of your post is the important one:

    you most likely are going to be using Apache/Nginx.

    IIS market share dipped a bit after 2008 and is now back to about where it was. Apache jumped a lot since 2008 and is now back a bit below where it was. Nginx has gone from 1% to 14% in the same time. IIS has hovered between 20-30% for a while. It's now closer to 30%. Apache has been in the 50-70% range for a long time, but is now dipping a lot. The only reason we're using Apache is that Nginx doesn't work as a reverse SSL proxy in front of Jenkins (apparently it can, with some magic incantations, but they didn't work for us). For everything else, Nginx is an obvious choice. It's somewhat sad to see that Nginx has completely displaced Lighttpd, as it would have been nice to have some more active competition.

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  31. Huh by koan · · Score: 2

    Looks like obfuscation to me, and so not accurate.

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  32. Re:I'm switching to IIS! by FreonTrip · · Score: 1

    Yet you are such a breathtaking, marvelous specimen of humanity that you would grace this undesirable place to enlighten the muck-dwelling Unixites. Truly we are all blessed. Let this day go forth! From this day forward, every February 4th shall be known as -

    Oh, wait. You didn't even bother attaching a name to this pathetic holier-than-thou screed. Back to the comforting bosom of Mommy and Windows forums with you, you pathetic bastard.

  33. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by neoform · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I for one switched all my web servers from apache to nginx. It simply performs better.

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  34. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by poetmatt · · Score: 1

    Because it's incredibly easy to pad numbers and claim them as fact without focusing on the real details?

  35. Re:large hosting company using IIS != IIS populari by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nobis Tech is the holding company of Ubiquity Hosting. Web hosting & cloud services, so probably a lot of those sites are hosted on virtual servers. The company might have popped into some site admins' field of view when they seemed to have a little problem last spring (namely, hosting tons of spam servers), this problem has apparently been dealt with (though not before some people were prompted to modify their .htaccess files to block all addresses registered to Ubiquity/Nobis).

  36. Oblig by Ubi_NL · · Score: 4, Funny

    At the time Elvis Presley died in 1977, he had 150 impersonators in the US. Now, according to calculations I spotted in a Sunday newspaper colour supplement recently, there are 85,000. Intriguingly, that means one in every 3,400 Americans is an Elvis impersonator. More disturbingly, if Elvis impersonators continue multiplying at the same rate, they will account for a third of the worldâ(TM)s population by 2019.

    http://crookedtimber.org/2005/...

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    1. Re:Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's an American dream I can believe in!

    2. Re:Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and our goal is to capture that market.

    3. Re:Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:Oblig by ddd0004 · · Score: 1

      Exactly, why do think I'm putting all my assets into rhinestone studded jumpsuits?

    5. Re:Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://knowmore.washingtonpost.com/2013/10/11/fed-chairs-height-is-reaching-the-zero-lower-bound/

    6. Re:Oblig by Tom · · Score: 1

      A third is nice, but at which date will they exceed world population?

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  37. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by dkman · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have used both, from working for a hosting provider as an administrator, to working for MS itself later, to my job now. Configuration of apache is only slightly more difficult in that you need to use a text editor instead of point and click hold handing, however IIS is no wear near as powerful in that you can do much more with apache because of the slightly more difficult configuration. In addition apache is more lightweight, and has better security.

    It got a little confusing about which it you were referring, so I FTFY. Why is it that after I've written the comment I get options to Submit - Continue Editing - Preview - Cancel , but not Login?

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  38. Re: I'm switching to IIS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aww! You're Adorable!

  39. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    probably not paying in cash but in Windows license discounts for servers or hosting

    Considering that using Apache was free anyway, they're not gaining anything from those Windows license discounts.

  40. So, that's your real name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AC ... How is "tripleevenfall" any better than AC?

  41. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Considering that the grow was caused because some big parked domains (with static pages) moved to IIS, i'd say that by a very wide margin, the main use of IIS is to serve domains with just one static page.

    Regarding the "better in almost every way", is almost as funny as the article title.

  42. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nginx.

  43. Sharepoint? by MacColossus · · Score: 1

    My guess is this is largely driven by the push to use Sharepoint.

    1. Re:Sharepoint? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the results will correct themselves after the Sharepoint honeymoon period is over and the divorces start flooding in...

  44. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by thaylin · · Score: 1

    That is what was intended, so thank you.

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  45. Re:I'm switching to IIS! by thaylin · · Score: 1

    I think Microsoft's new CEO decided to start the tenure off with a flood of propaganda.

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  46. FOXACID has changed tactics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps the NSA's FOXACID servers (http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/01/jacob-appelbaum-30c3-protect-infect-militarization-internet-transcript.html) have been modified to pretend to be IIS now, and that has confused the reporting.

  47. Apache isn't the benchmark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apache is getting phased out by the likes of nginx. This just in, Windows phone has finally over taken Android 0.9, I guess Windows wins! wait, they have an Android 2.0?! When did this happen?

  48. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by vajrabum · · Score: 1

    Probably because it costs them exactly $0 to do it.

  49. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yes, they are. They can say their services supports IIS as an option, and extend their userbase by a bit for the few interested in such a service. This is a big deal in a competitive market, and who cares if they have to host a bunch of dead/parked domains on IIS when nobody visits them anyway? It's a win-win for the hosts.

  50. Re:large hosting company using IIS != IIS populari by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're going to measure web server market share, wouldn't it make sense to measure, I don't know, the actual number of web servers? A single IIS server serving 10,000 domains should count as 1, not 10,000.

    The methodology they want is:
    forEach IP, connect to port 80,443 and, if alive, register which web server responds and then select count(*),web_server from results group by web_server.

    However even that is flawed since it's been basic security practice for a decade now to change the way your server identifies itself.

  51. Simple answer: by ttucker · · Score: 1

    No.

  52. Re:large hosting company using IIS != IIS populari by guruevi · · Score: 2

    A hosting company that mainly hosts spam sites. Together with their parent company they have large swathes of bots on various small /26 IP ranges registered to them which seems intended to be to prevent other companies from easily blocking a large IP range.

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  53. Will Microsofts Metro UI take over slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently so.

    Real talk: Apache is pretty shitty, and IIS is vastly improved over the old days.

  54. Re:I'm switching to IIS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good. So long, enjoy being locked into a sub-standard software stack. We won't miss you. We'll be too busy using new web technologies IIS doesn't support properly, instead of dealing with IIS server issues that you need a priest and a miracle to resolve.

  55. So finally by CBravo · · Score: 1

    I prefer a different headline... So finally after nearly 20 years, Microsoft can win (on one of many benchmarks) from a bunch of amateurs ;-).

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  56. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

    I for one switched all my web servers from apache to nginx. It simply performs better.

    If tech news has taught me anything, it's that assessing performance is never simple. I have no doubts that whatever site you migrated performs better, but that probably was the result of a single important factor to you.

  57. The truth is out there! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/web_server

    Now back in your corner!

  58. The report from Netcraft: by snarfies · · Score: 4, Funny

    It is official; Netcraft now confirms: Apache is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Apache community when IDC confirmed that Apache market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming close on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Apache has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Apache is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict Apache's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Apachefaces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Apache because Apache is dying. Things are looking very bad for Apache. As many of us are already aware, Apache continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    All major surveys show that Apache has steadily declined in market share. Apache is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Apache is to survive at all it will be among web server dilettante dabblers. Apache continues to decay. Nothing short of a cockeyed miracle could save Apache from its fate at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Apache is dead.

    Fact: Apache is dying

    1. Re:The report from Netcraft: by stridebird · · Score: 1

      What is this? Keyword loading? This some kind of sick SEO move?

    2. Re:The report from Netcraft: by ddusza · · Score: 1

      dilettante dabblers

      Is this some new future release of Apache from the snazzy makers of Ubuntu?

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  59. This and more by s.petry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "active" sites shows no such growth trend, in fact it shows IIS declining. NginX is the only web server showing growth, and even this is misleading. Most of our use for NginX is does not make Apache go away. We use NginX as a front end reverse proxy that talks to Apache back ends. NginX is good at a few things, but nowhere near as robust as Apache.

    This is just another case of pulling only the statistics you want to color a lie.

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    1. Re:This and more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not necessarily declining, The market could be growing faster than IIS is growing so the percentage drops but actual use doesn't.

      Fun with statistics...

  60. Re:large hosting company using IIS != IIS populari by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If 10,000 Web sites are served from one server using Apache, and 100 Web sites are served from 100 servers using IIS, it would be reasonable to interpret that Apache is the more common choice for serving Web sites. It would be reasonable--not necessarily accurate, but in a vacuum decision there is a great chance of validity--to assume that Apache is the better choice for hosting Web sites in most cases, as it has been selected for more often. It would be very reasonable to assume that Apache is, in most cases, at least adequate--a satisfiser would find this palatable--while making no assumptions on whether it is more or less optimal than IIS.

    It's silly to assume that the number of servers has any real meaning, unless it can reflect resource use--at our resolution we can't even do that (are these 100 IIS servers run from Raspberry Pi, or 100 IIS servers run from ginormous Dell R620s? How much load?). Even then, that doesn't reflect all the other decisions put into it. On the other hand, there are very real questions like "Does my ASP.NET site run better on Apache?" and the answer is no; or like, "Does my Python/cherrypi site run better through WSGI/Apache or WSGI/IIS?" and the answer is no again.

    The raw number of Web sites run on Apache reflects a lot more than the number of discrete servers. But then you have questions like: are these Perl/PHP/Python, .NET, etc.? Essentially: are they Apache/IIS sites because of Apache/IIS, or because of the system that provides facilities for the site best also providing Apache/IIS support best?

  61. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by colinrichardday · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is IIS easier than Apache to configure in Linux?

  62. a proof by complex networks argument by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Would you use IIS instead of apache?
    Do you know anyone who would?
    Have you ever heard about anyone who would?
    Have you ever heard about anyone who knows anyone who would?
    The answer to all above questions is the same as the one to the question in subject. No.

    1. Re:a proof by complex networks argument by Spiked_Three · · Score: 1

      Actually all I had to do was change your first line, swap IIS and apache, and then it made sense.

      You offer no facts as to why one is better than the other, other than "me and my friends think so".

      Look, if you want to talk popularity, talk desktop share, use real numbers. Then explain why something with 1/100 the popularity is even in the conversation.

      Otherwise admit that either one has some points over the other, neither is perfect, and admit that 'number of installs' is probably about as meaningless to a 'technical abilities' discussion as you can get.

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  63. What is IIS share for site not rebooted weekly? by WillAdams · · Score: 1

    That's the number I'd really like to see.

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    1. Re:What is IIS share for site not rebooted weekly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About the same Apache servers maintained by folks who shower at least weekly.

  64. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by wagnerrp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IIS has been on a fairly steady decline since 2000. There was a spike beginning in 2006 that rapidly died off in 2009, following which IIS continued its slow downward decline. Nginx actually has a higher usage than IIS, and Apache is still around 50%. IIS is only the server of choice among inactive placeholder pages on disused hostnames.

  65. Not really so competitive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >This is a big deal in a competitive market

    Web servers are not a competitive market though.

    Apache, nginx and tomcat are all free. You can even run them on Windows if
    you really wanted.

  66. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are a lot of people that get tripped up on the lack of Nginx reverse SSL proxy support.

    Seems like a blind spot with Nginx developers.

  67. nginx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real story here is the rise of nginx in the top one million sites graph. Mostly at the expense of Apache.

  68. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by jaymz666 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I use both, EVERY SINGLE DAY

    IIS changes how it's managed with every single point release, and nothing is obvious about it.

    Just to use SSL you need to use multiple administration interfaces to import the cert and then assign that to a specific server

    If you know what you are doing, and you should, you can much more easily navigate a text file with all the options than you can clicking around in a dozen places to work on IIS configs.
    Then there's all the issues with file permissions

  69. What makes "Open Source" so magical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Transparency.

  70. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by savuporo · · Score: 1

    Some real brilliant math here. Apache often runs on windows. You understand that the licensing costs and TCO of operating systems vs webservers is slightly different, yes ?

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  71. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    Probably because it costs them exactly $0 to do it.

    Really? What about the team of thugs assigned to do the job, and associated hangers on?

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  72. *ring* *ring* by vikingpower · · Score: 1

    1999 called. They want their browser war back, but they'll settle for a httpd war.

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  73. Funny by corvax · · Score: 1

    Here in the northeast we have a winter storm warning getting 10-16 inches overnight so i went to check if there were any early school closings http://closings.cbs6albany.com... And sure enough its down i think theres a few parents hammering the refresh button. So i went to netcraft and sure enough its Windows Server 2008 Microsoft-IIS/7.5. :/

  74. In part it's lies, here's a true story by goruka · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Someone I know runs a hosting provider in Latin America, they sell virtualization, dedicated servers and housing. I don't remember exactly how the deal was (this was about 2 years ago). Microsoft talks to everyone here to route their traffic through Window Server devices and IIS or fake server agents in exchange of money, hardware and licenses. I don't have proof and can't obviously point to specific providers, but i've seen the devices myself.

  75. Or by corvax · · Score: 1

    134,194,577 NON IIS VS 21,196,966 IIS

  76. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by FridayBob · · Score: 2

    ... It is beyond me why Microsoft is so fixated on manipulating Netcraft stats.

    They're attempting to exploit our herd mentality in order to hide their weakness; if enough of us can be fooled into thinking that IIS is more popular than it actually is, then more people will switch to it or stick with it for that reason alone.

  77. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    They're attempting to exploit our herd mentality in order to hide their weakness; if enough of us can be fooled into thinking that IIS is more popular than it actually is, then more people will switch to it or stick with it for that reason alone.

    The big lie, right? Oh is that a godwin...

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  78. Re:I'm switching to IIS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    You lot remind me of my dad. All he listens to is Pink Floyd and other hippie music, he's convinced any music after 1980 is shit, so he doesn't even listen to any of it.

    You should listen to your dad.

  79. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by Giblet535 · · Score: 1

    I agree, but nginex will win most performance comparisons against Apache, and IIS isn't even in the running. I still run Apache, but it's not because of performance. Porting would require a significant portion of a day. Ain't nobody got time for that.

  80. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by Giblet535 · · Score: 3, Funny

    IIS is MUCH easier to configure under Linux. Infinitely so.

  81. IIS usually means a bad website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I mostly know a site is crap when I get an IIS error when loading a page. I rarely get a similar view of breakage showing other servers' error messages, execpt maybe 404s on dead links (which is fair enough, because no httpd can run when the server is in a skip). So, this means either 1) IIS leads to broken sites or 2) people who use IIS can't do websites, or I suspect, both together.

  82. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by Giblet535 · · Score: 1

    Why are you trying to cloud this issue with logic, reason, and truth?

  83. Maybe for 1 server... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    IIS is great if you don't want to bother learning the ins and outs of your server software, and you don't have that many to deploy.

    Go deploy 200+ IIS servers then tell me they are easier to manage than apache.

    Then go install the URLRewrite module, and try getting support from Microsoft when it threadlocks on you.

    And yes, I've used Apache, IIS and Nginx extensively in large scale production sites. IIS ranks 3rd in the bunch in my book for stability and easy of management. It does do fairly well in performance but only if your apps are .NET. Any other language and nginx/apache solidly smokes it.

  84. Re:large hosting company using IIS != IIS populari by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

    Or, ya know, large solid blocks of IPv4 addresses are getting scarce

  85. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by jaymz666 · · Score: 1

    How does it work with Tomcat and websphere?

  86. Another MS story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Got to feed the anti-MS trolls..

  87. Netcraft Web Server statistics? by DTentilhao · · Score: 1

    Netcraft.com: "In the February 2014 survey we received responses from 920,102,079 site"

    W3tech.com: "Usage of web servers for websites .. Apache: 62.5%, Nginx: 18.2%, Microsoft-IIS: 14.4%"

  88. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    Sweet, I consider it a badge of honor that some Microsoft thug modded my post troll

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  89. Burning any cred I have in a single post by astro · · Score: 0

    Oh. My. God. I knew this topic would be rampant with trolls, but I had no idea how retarded it would actually be. Nobody seems to even question the numbers in the OFA, and everyone is for some idiotic reason lowering themselves to the point of debating IIS vs. Apache. You FOOLS. This is just silly.

  90. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps, but most major active websites use a dedicated webservers rather than run it on the IT guy's desktop.

  91. Re: IIS better in almost every way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Love all the resources, dependencies, security holes, slow performance, etc.

    Only thing it means to me is more noobs are running web servers; probably phpadmin and other crap as well.

    And here I thought ngix was apache's only competitor

  92. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Microsoft thug, lol. Someone sure seems stuck in a time-warp ca. 1995... Ice Ice Baby, right?

  93. Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .net MVC is something to fall in love with. Not sure how anyone can go back to rails or anything else on Apache after having a taste.

    1. Re:Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .net MVC? are you serious? I can only assume that you've never built anything of size in another MVC.

    2. Re:Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've used Java with Spring and .NET with MVC 4 and Entity framework. Web services are easier to write in .NET MVC (JSON end points) and it's a bit easier to configure than spring. However, it's not far superior in every way. The only thing I really miss in Java is LINQ.

      As for ruby on rails, it's a prototyping framework only. No real prod sites should run on it. It doesn't scale.

      Talking full stack, I'd say FreeBSD or Linux beats Microsoft's solution any day of the week in reliability and performance.

  94. Re:large hosting company using IIS != IIS populari by gtall · · Score: 2

    From Nobis Web site (sounds dodgy just from the language):

    "Nobis Technology Group, LLC is the parent holding company to roughly a dozen specialized companies and a broad spectrum of websites. We are privately-held, employee-owned, and have been involved in a number of very lucrative Internet services companies of many names since 2002."

    I don't trust NoScript to let them further out of the box for their alleged web site to tell me more.

  95. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

    Why has Apache started to lose ground?

    nginx & lighttpd

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  96. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by hazeii · · Score: 1

    Which is great! It gives people with a clue a competitive advantage.

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  97. Where I work, no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where I work, we get windows server 2003,2008,2012 for free, with iis. But when we need a webserver, we spin up a Linux box or VM. We've got at least fifteen apache servers alone in my department, and only one solitary asp.net server. Windows makes good SMB servers, but terrible web servers.

  98. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

    I am seriously thinking of hosting my parked domains elsewhere simply to stop being a help for Microsoft. Shocked and dismayed to see GoDaddy put mine on Windoze!

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  99. Re: IIS better in almost every way. by jaymz666 · · Score: 1

    Not create certificates, import them and deploy in load balanced environments.

  100. Haven't used IIS in a while... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't used IIS in a while has it gotten any better from 5 years ago?

    Most of what I run across today is nginx running reverse proxy for whatever services you want running behind it.

    1. Re:Haven't used IIS in a while... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it hasn't. They tried to make it idiot proof around IIS 6 or 7. The wizard like interface is annoying. I'd greatly prefer config files or the old interface. It seems like I'm always hunting for settings to different things when using IIS.

      I don't think they ever fixed the SSI bug where it doesn't return proper HTTP status codes on pages either.

      It feels like IIS and Apache are both dying on the vine much like IE did for a long time between 6 and 7. No SPDY. no modern SSL/TLS settings. No big kicks in the butt in performance knowing that AJAX happened and we've got a lot of requests coming in now that must be server quickly. varnish and nginx have issues, but they both are trying to move us forward.

      Microsoft needs to invest heavily in speeding up web servers and windows performance in VMs. Disk IO is terrible.

  101. Re:I'm switching to IIS! by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

    Lol, yes. First, Microsoft cares what a bunch of irrelevant tech dinosaurs on SlashDweeb think enough to pay "shills".

    Second, I doubt you know what a shill is. It seems to now mean anyone whose opinion runs counter to the prevailing opinion of a bunch of people who know nothing outside of the narrow niche of Linux dweebery they learned on the Interwebz.

    Even Heard of the Halloween Documents ?
    Or how about those paid shills microsoft has been caught using?

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  102. Re:large hosting company using IIS != IIS populari by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or, ya know, large farms of vhosting webservers are prone to attack but one vhost being attacked and sending spam shouldn't negatively impact all other customers at the hosting company.

  103. IIS is Isis's sis by smittyoneeach · · Score: 3, Funny

    IIS is Isis's sis
    That Apache had to save
    From her hirsute marital bliss
    With abundant
    Burma Shave

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  104. They are giving away licenses like candy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just filled out some survey a few years ago and they continue to give me serials on my msdn account.

  105. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by jbo5112 · · Score: 1

    W3Techs puts Microsoft's operating systems as running on 32.90% of all web servers. That doesn't leave a lot of room for other web servers, especially since IIS is hosing more inactive sites than anybody else. I can't imagine wanting to run that software stacked together in an enterprise.

  106. Bring back Roxen :( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Built in web-based management/configuration gui, XML-based server-side markup with iterators and flow control etc, RCS based file system, replication, etc... And that's just the features it had in 1995.

  107. Betteridge's law of headlines by Trogre · · Score: 1

    Right, I'm tagging this article betteridge, as this article is a classic case of it applying.

    Hang on, where are the tags? What the hell has happened to Slashdot? Oh, I see we can edit them on the front page, but not in the article itself any more.

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  108. well... by smash · · Score: 1

    ...when you need several IIS instances to do the job of one apache instance, it doesn't surprise me.

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  109. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

    It's also extremely secure. I hear that IIS on Linux rivals OpenBSD on the number of remote exploits found over the last decade!

  110. Re:large hosting company using IIS != IIS populari by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nobis

    nobis
            for us, to us; dative plural of ego

  111. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by smash · · Score: 1

    Unless you have an extremely popular website, comparing nginx vs. apache performance is a bit pointless as any hardware these days (even consumer grade) is more likely limited by its storage subsystem and database back end.

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  112. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by smash · · Score: 1

    I figured out how to configure apache to do what I wanted back in the day in an afternoon. The IIS configuration UI is a piece of shit, and has gradually become less usable in more recent versions.

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  113. No by mythix · · Score: 1

    because, who runs a windows web server?

  114. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by neoform · · Score: 1

    apache ab. nginx serves static and dynamic content faster. not sure how many other metrics one needs to gauge a web server's performance.

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  115. Apache's Upgrade Hassles Did This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Changing versions of Apache used to be a breeze, but then there was that apache2 config file mess awhile back that was just horrible, and half the people I talked to about it were looking around for something else.

    It is not possible to overstate the importance of make config; make; make install. When you find yourself justifying agony to your userbase by saying "Oh, but our new version offers so many great features that we cannot possibly be backward compatible" then it's time to stop programming and let someone else take over.

  116. But... but.. by doccus · · Score: 1

    But isn't IIS a whole lot better than Apache? Yours sincerely.. Bill G.

  117. Whilst the generic /. anti-Microsofties will bleat by fluffynuts · · Score: 1

    (disclaimer, I'm a fan of "use what works" and prefer open-source; but my daily job and freelance stuff has often been on a Microsoft stack)

    MVC. Oh yeah, and legacy aspx.

    That should say enough. MVC is *dead easy* to dev against and, in the process, produce good code. I'm not running down other frameworks and languages (another disclaimer: I've used and loved at least 12 languages including PHP and Python; I've dealt with CGI; all tools with a reasonable following must have some merit or they wouldn't have a following). I'm just saying this: it's super-easy to get an html5-compliant, fast, well-separated, unit-testable (indeed, TDD-driven) website out of the MVC stack. You almost have to try not to. Cake is cool. Rails is nice. Again, cool your jets -- I'm not running down your tech. But MVC/VS201(2|3)/Entity/SQL Server (2012 express handles a 10 gig db and it's free!) make your average and even above-average sites dev a breeze.

    So yeah, I'm not fond of IIS. But I totally understand why it's getting traction. The toolchain, the dev workflow -- those are some good incentives right there. I got a client to pay 50% monthly fees more for a win32 stack by promising (and delivering) a TDD'd site in shorter time. Everyone is winning here. I'm sure other servers beat IIS on performance, sexiness and general karma -- it doesn't matter in the face of total cost and ease of dev.

    (Please note that, at no point in the above, did I say this was the only way. Don't waste your time trying to convince me [X] is better -- (a) I know I can do what I want in other environments and (b) I don't really care to be told, mainly because of (a). The OP was bringing up a point and the comments I've seen so far are typical anti-MS /.-isms based solely in the hate for Redmond (not that Microsoft is golden by any stretch of the imagination))

  118. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by bheerssen · · Score: 1

    Unless you're hosting simple static web pages IIS is better in almost every way, easier to manage, easier to configure, etc...

    Just curious, how much do you make up there in Redmond?

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  119. Almost got this, but linux is easier to manage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux is far easier to manage - all the necessary controls for management are just below the surface, just takes lookig for them. Windows looks easier on the surface, but an administrator has far more tools for management, and far more powerful tools in a Linux enviroment - it's just that those tools aren't obvious at first glance, because a Linux system is a sandbox waiting to be molded, whille Windows gives you one or two ways to do most things, and if those ways don't work for you, or the developer didn't think of it, then tough luck.

    noexec, nosuid, selinux, iptables, PAM - all policy-based management tools with real teeth, rather than feel-good "oh, we'll just hide the icons" approaches (yes, I know, you can do real security with GPOs and ACLs, but few actually bother).

    Linux is also an open book for the administrator - making it easy to understand the system to be able to build strong security policies, without as many holes as my cheese grater. I knoe that barring serious bugs in the underlying operating system, the rules I've set are solid, and will be enforced, without loopholes because X application didn't bother to check Y registry entry to find out that Z wasn't allowed.

    Windows doesn't give me the same gurantees, because it, and almost every application on it are black boxes. Other than possibly filesystem ACLs themselves, there's not that many places where you can actually draw a line in the sand and know for sure that the OS won't let anything cross it. Remember also that Windows was designed as as single user operating system without any access control whatsoever, and still has many relics of that heritage even in 2014. Unix and Linux have their heritage in timesharing enviroments - places where User and Administrator always meant seperate things and where users have always had to be seperated from one another.

    1. Re:Almost got this, but linux is easier to manage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree... when comparing Linux to Windows. However, Linux is no better than any open source server-grade *nix with a measurable install base. The only negative criticism I have against Linux is the unnecessary and arbitrary differences in locations of system/config files between linux and any open source server-grade *nix... there was no good reason to move stuff around: all *nix have an environment that is one way, meh... were gonna do it this other way. wtf... WHY??!!! Further, like every single piece of good and popular software ever engineered, and especially due to its massive compliment of fanatically devoted developers and one benevolent overlord, Linux will eventually suffer from feature creep and become really really annoying (hasn't yet... but it will).

  120. Old User Friendly toon from 1999...... by BlindBear · · Score: 1

    Don't wear out the IIS servers... http://ars.userfriendly.org/ca...

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  121. Re:IIS better in almost every way. by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    sour grapes from years of suffering