I wonder when he'll realize that others posting as "Anonymous Coward" aren't actually impersonating him.....
Personally, I'm not sure which I prefer; these rants, or the hosts ones. At least the hosts ones were mildly informative for anyone new to slashdot....
Oh for the days of a Natalie Portman and Hot Grits of beowulf clusters in Soviet Russia....
That would probably hold more weight not coming from AC.
It all has to do with the framing of the situation.
Let's see how it does coming from me...
I think it's great that Clang and LLVM are doing so well in this space, and applaud Apple, Adobe, Google, and all the other corporations who have contributed to it to get it to this point.
I'm also glad that GCC continues to exist and to progress. Diversity is good; people can choose the permissivity of their license, and choose the openness of their platform; there's a nice wide choice of options now.
Probably what the GP meant as well, but how they phrased it could really annoy a lot of people who interpreted it differently. Some people don't like it when others thank corporations/people for doing something that has benefited all, when they can see satellite issues that are to society's detriment in the long-run.
Personally, I find that the best way to get people/corps to do what you want is with a carrot and a hackamore -- leave the stick alone.
AGPL is GNU banditry of the ultimate order. If you don't buy software to use on your own computer, but simply run the services that they offer on their servers, this license would mean that you get to see, use and distribute their source code.
It's not "their" source code, it's the source code of whoever originally wrote the software and decided to release it under the AGPL. If the companies hosting the software don't like that, they're perfectly welcome to stop being freeloaders and write their own.
Added to this, we're talking about implemented algorithms here. Personally, if I'm going to host something using someone else's services, I'd like to know what those services are. I'm paying for the service, not some "secret sauce" knowledge. I'm the type of person that likes to know what I'm getting. Just like I expect to see a list of ingredients in order of most used to least used, plus a nutritional breakout, on the side of processed food I buy, I'd like to have a description of what goes in to the processed services I buy. Of course, I'd also like to know security and privacy policies for how the service handles my information, similar to how I like to know how the foods and people are treated that create the food I buy.
Some people may not care about all this, and are fine with black box consumerism. That's fine. But I'm not in that market segment, I'm in the other one. So I'll buy services from companies who use the AGPL or equivalent (including closed source where they give me access for review). Remember: once you move into SaaS, you can't really guarantee that what they let you look at is what they're running anyway; there has to be some level of trust.
If the LLVM/Clang developers had have more forethought and picked GPL they could have forced Apple though court to release those changes.
If the LLVM/Clang developers had picked GPL, Apple would have had virtually no incentive to switch to LLVM/Clang from GCC. The result? We'd be having this discussion about some other compiler with a permissive license, and almost nobody would have heard of LLVM.
Seems to me that Obamacare is changing that by adding penalties for smoking... and the states are reacting by hiding it under the "pre-existing condition" clause.
Obamacare is a farce... not because of what it is, but because of the FUD machine that has gone in to play around it (on both sides).
Maybe we need some anti-FUD laws -- you know, where unsubstantiated claims made by politicians can get them tossed out of office, similar to libel and slander (except this would be against society at large). I think this is something a lot of people could support as a plank in a platform... even though such a thing would NEVER make it through congress.
How about anyone who runs for political office, to receive a pension after the term is ended, must serve an equal amount of time volunteering on a review board? We'd need some incentive to keep them actually working and reviewing -- in the US, it could be as simple as reviewing all policy that they voted against during office.
Sure, it has some holes, but it cleans up a couple of glaring holes that exist in the current system.
I think there's merit to your post, but I substituded 'cop' for 'black guy' and your sounds bigoted to me. It may be important to generalize and stereotype, but take care to recognize it.
The (clear, obvious) difference is that no one is born a cop, and they can decide to stop being a cop. Another is that we take rights away from brown people, but we give more rights to people who wear a badge, though they have demonstrated that they are no more responsible than the general population.
(Obviously, this may not apply outside of the US.)
Trust me, it applies even more outside the US. Especially framed with context as it was. Plus, people with ESL* tend to look things up before blaming others for their ignorance:)
I won't even seriously consider them until I can read their books on my tablet and phone. I was an early adopter of eBooks, buying my first Rocket eBook reader back around 1998, so I don't have anything against dedicated devices, but there's no longer any need, and I already carry a phone and a tablet which both work great as eBook readers... and with all three of the eBook reader apps I use I can even bounce back and forth between devices, reading on my tablet when it's handy or on my phone when the tablet isn't nearby.
Probably relates to the DRM issue above... Kobo's had an iOS app for ages.
If I hadn't already commented in this thread, you'd be marked Insightful.
Other than the difference between the melting pot and the mosaic, THIS is really what separates American attitudes from Canadian attitudes.
Of course, with a lot of entertainment talent coming from Canada, and Canada consuming a lot of the entertainment produced in the US, every year is showing fewer people in the US holding to the melting pot and "potentially rich" concepts, while for some reason, more and more Canadians are subscribing to those ideas.
The institutions built on the ideals haven't shifted yet, though.
And here I thought we had a monopoly on stupid politicians here in the States.
Politicians always go stupid at election time -- which is what this is really about. Welcome to the election ramp-up period (it starts this week in many places in Canada).
Or LIVE in Canada, since you can end up in jail there for speaking.
Just like anywhere else in the world -- except in Canada, there's no extraordinary rendition, nor secret arrests without trial.
Really; name one country in the world where you can't end up in jail for speaking. If hate crimes don't get you, some other speaking law can.
If you want to go after the court system, you'd be better to go after people being arrested and held in pretrial facilities with no hope of them ever going to trial; THAT is something that is happening and is causing issues on both the "in jail" and "not in jail" side (since if you reach the maximum pretrial holding time, you're released).
To American's that do not know, this like like the second coming of JFK.
More like "If JFK had had a son, this would be the equivalent of him becoming leader of the Democrats and running for President... sort of.*" More like that than two generations of Bushes, anyway.
Don't forget what Justin's upbringing was like; he had a VERY different experience than his father. Helps that his mother was from BC and his father from Quebec though; he just needs to spend more time in the north and the maritimes to be about as close to the all-around Canadian as you can get.
He's definitely likely to reshape Canadian politics or go down in flames.
*Canadians don't elect a Prime Minister -- the elected representatives do that. Canadians elect someone to represent their constituency in government; this person is directly accountable to the people (usually 30-60,000 or so) who elected them -- and the Canadian Senate is more like the House of Lords in England than the US Senate.
The blue and red colors that you consciously sense and the flavors that you taste from food do not exist in the physical world, even if you think they do.
I understand the point you're trying to make... but to play devil's advocate: the blue and red colors you sense and the flavors you taste exist in the physical world... just measure the chemical and electrical activity in the brain as the photosensors and chemical sensors react to the incoming stimuli. It can all be measured, and is similar for all people. That's all in the physical world.
If we understood the brain well enough, we might also be able to isolate the concepts themselves -- but as those would be stored uniquely in each brain, we're still a long ways away from figuring that part out. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist though -- just as easy to say that the Higgs boson doesn't exist in the physical world (which, in a way, it doesn't).
I should point out that whenever we get "science" stories, usually the scientists had very little input into the story as we know it. Science just isn't all that interesting in isolation, so editors editorialize it.
this is what I think, they are deliberately and obsessively trying to force a hard distinction because their rigid (and in this case willfully ignorant) world view is built on it.
This is ridiculous and embarrassing for people who call themselves scientists.
Or, the submitter and reporter have made a hatchet job of the original study, which simply found a mechanism that demonstrably filled in a gap in the chain that was previously only speculation.
He wants to avoid "democratizing" war, but he is OK with governments doing it - I was also struck by this. Is this typical elitist thinking, or an effort to keep the genie in the bottle? Either way, the elites are thinking about what can happen when technology allows anyone to become their own army. Hey guys, it might be time to consider equality.
The odd thing is, isn't the US concept of "right to bear arms" all about people being able to arm and defend themselves against not just outside forces, but the government as well? His statement sounds like something a British MP would have been saying about the colonies in the late 1700's....
Personally, I'd much rather have my neighbor buzzing my place with a quadcopter with HD camera than have them doing something less obtrusive, like using a scope or a parabolic mic, or going through my trash. I guess once your property gets big enough that the scope/parabolic mic can't actually see as far as your house, the airspace thing becomes more of an issue. But if you've got enough property for there to be a distinction other than the noise and visible annoyance of the drone, than the drone is obviously trespassing, and you live somewhere where shooting it down on your own property (or just jamming the RF signal so it falls to the ground) should be perfectly legal and acceptable activity.
After all, most people's neighbor could already do this much more cheaply by putting their cellphone in streaming video mode and tying it to a helium baloon at the property line. That would be a lot quieter, too.
And why the sudden jump from commercial drone surveillance being invasion of privacy to militarization of the people (who are already supposed to be militarized anyway)? Sure, it could be used that way, but we all know that drones in private hands aren't going to be used to assassinate anyone; they're going to be used to take photos/videos that can be sold to tabloids and/or posted online. Hardly a group of people that's going to invade Iraq or liberate Texas.
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How come in the video, it says 2012 IDEAs Festival everywhere?
I think we're seeing old ideas here. Interested in seeing this year's though; some interesting devices created there.
I wonder when he'll realize that others posting as "Anonymous Coward" aren't actually impersonating him.....
Personally, I'm not sure which I prefer; these rants, or the hosts ones. At least the hosts ones were mildly informative for anyone new to slashdot....
Oh for the days of a Natalie Portman and Hot Grits of beowulf clusters in Soviet Russia....
Truth is no defense against libel in the U.K.
Not true. Truth is a defense, as long as it's provable.
The issue with UK defamation law is that burden of proof falls on the accused.
A foreign company filing such a suit is a novel approach though.
I wonder whether defamation or hate crime would win if the two went head to head....
That would probably hold more weight not coming from AC.
It all has to do with the framing of the situation.
Let's see how it does coming from me...
I think it's great that Clang and LLVM are doing so well in this space, and applaud Apple, Adobe, Google, and all the other corporations who have contributed to it to get it to this point.
I'm also glad that GCC continues to exist and to progress. Diversity is good; people can choose the permissivity of their license, and choose the openness of their platform; there's a nice wide choice of options now.
Probably what the GP meant as well, but how they phrased it could really annoy a lot of people who interpreted it differently. Some people don't like it when others thank corporations/people for doing something that has benefited all, when they can see satellite issues that are to society's detriment in the long-run.
Personally, I find that the best way to get people/corps to do what you want is with a carrot and a hackamore -- leave the stick alone.
AGPL is GNU banditry of the ultimate order. If you don't buy software to use on your own computer, but simply run the services that they offer on their servers, this license would mean that you get to see, use and distribute their source code.
It's not "their" source code, it's the source code of whoever originally wrote the software and decided to release it under the AGPL. If the companies hosting the software don't like that, they're perfectly welcome to stop being freeloaders and write their own.
Added to this, we're talking about implemented algorithms here. Personally, if I'm going to host something using someone else's services, I'd like to know what those services are. I'm paying for the service, not some "secret sauce" knowledge. I'm the type of person that likes to know what I'm getting. Just like I expect to see a list of ingredients in order of most used to least used, plus a nutritional breakout, on the side of processed food I buy, I'd like to have a description of what goes in to the processed services I buy. Of course, I'd also like to know security and privacy policies for how the service handles my information, similar to how I like to know how the foods and people are treated that create the food I buy.
Some people may not care about all this, and are fine with black box consumerism. That's fine. But I'm not in that market segment, I'm in the other one. So I'll buy services from companies who use the AGPL or equivalent (including closed source where they give me access for review). Remember: once you move into SaaS, you can't really guarantee that what they let you look at is what they're running anyway; there has to be some level of trust.
If the LLVM/Clang developers had have more forethought and picked GPL they could have forced Apple though court to release those changes.
If the LLVM/Clang developers had picked GPL, Apple would have had virtually no incentive to switch to LLVM/Clang from GCC. The result? We'd be having this discussion about some other compiler with a permissive license, and almost nobody would have heard of LLVM.
Basically, if you do find yourself a position in an ant colony, don't expect to enjoy it.
No matter which position you find, you can expect it to be somewhat painful, unless you're an anteater.
The old ants know they either have to go to Carousel or leave the colony!
[spoiler]all except one ant, who ruins it for the rest of them....[/spoiler]
Neither can I:
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/04/12/1857781/obamacare-smokers/
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/345153/smoking-preexisting-condition-kevin-d-williamson
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Obamacare-Smokers-Huge-Penalties/2013/01/26/id/487522
Seems to me that Obamacare is changing that by adding penalties for smoking... and the states are reacting by hiding it under the "pre-existing condition" clause.
Obamacare is a farce... not because of what it is, but because of the FUD machine that has gone in to play around it (on both sides).
Maybe we need some anti-FUD laws -- you know, where unsubstantiated claims made by politicians can get them tossed out of office, similar to libel and slander (except this would be against society at large). I think this is something a lot of people could support as a plank in a platform... even though such a thing would NEVER make it through congress.
This just gave me an idea:
How about anyone who runs for political office, to receive a pension after the term is ended, must serve an equal amount of time volunteering on a review board? We'd need some incentive to keep them actually working and reviewing -- in the US, it could be as simple as reviewing all policy that they voted against during office.
Sure, it has some holes, but it cleans up a couple of glaring holes that exist in the current system.
I think there's merit to your post, but I substituded 'cop' for 'black guy' and your sounds bigoted to me. It may be important to generalize and stereotype, but take care to recognize it.
The (clear, obvious) difference is that no one is born a cop, and they can decide to stop being a cop. Another is that we take rights away from brown people, but we give more rights to people who wear a badge, though they have demonstrated that they are no more responsible than the general population.
OK, S/Cop/CEO then...
oh, wait....
(Obviously, this may not apply outside of the US.)
Trust me, it applies even more outside the US. Especially framed with context as it was. Plus, people with ESL* tend to look things up before blaming others for their ignorance :)
*(ESL = English as a Second Language)
I won't even seriously consider them until I can read their books on my tablet and phone. I was an early adopter of eBooks, buying my first Rocket eBook reader back around 1998, so I don't have anything against dedicated devices, but there's no longer any need, and I already carry a phone and a tablet which both work great as eBook readers... and with all three of the eBook reader apps I use I can even bounce back and forth between devices, reading on my tablet when it's handy or on my phone when the tablet isn't nearby.
Probably relates to the DRM issue above... Kobo's had an iOS app for ages.
If I hadn't already commented in this thread, you'd be marked Insightful.
Other than the difference between the melting pot and the mosaic, THIS is really what separates American attitudes from Canadian attitudes.
Of course, with a lot of entertainment talent coming from Canada, and Canada consuming a lot of the entertainment produced in the US, every year is showing fewer people in the US holding to the melting pot and "potentially rich" concepts, while for some reason, more and more Canadians are subscribing to those ideas.
The institutions built on the ideals haven't shifted yet, though.
And here I thought we had a monopoly on stupid politicians here in the States.
Politicians always go stupid at election time -- which is what this is really about. Welcome to the election ramp-up period (it starts this week in many places in Canada).
Or LIVE in Canada, since you can end up in jail there for speaking.
Just like anywhere else in the world -- except in Canada, there's no extraordinary rendition, nor secret arrests without trial.
Really; name one country in the world where you can't end up in jail for speaking. If hate crimes don't get you, some other speaking law can.
If you want to go after the court system, you'd be better to go after people being arrested and held in pretrial facilities with no hope of them ever going to trial; THAT is something that is happening and is causing issues on both the "in jail" and "not in jail" side (since if you reach the maximum pretrial holding time, you're released).
Remember that elections are coming up... that probably is what caused both sides of this event, plus the news it is gathering.
To American's that do not know, this like like the second coming of JFK.
More like "If JFK had had a son, this would be the equivalent of him becoming leader of the Democrats and running for President... sort of.*" More like that than two generations of Bushes, anyway.
Don't forget what Justin's upbringing was like; he had a VERY different experience than his father. Helps that his mother was from BC and his father from Quebec though; he just needs to spend more time in the north and the maritimes to be about as close to the all-around Canadian as you can get.
He's definitely likely to reshape Canadian politics or go down in flames.
*Canadians don't elect a Prime Minister -- the elected representatives do that. Canadians elect someone to represent their constituency in government; this person is directly accountable to the people (usually 30-60,000 or so) who elected them -- and the Canadian Senate is more like the House of Lords in England than the US Senate.
Don't worry... my question asking for actual information behind the negative generalizations also got downmodded. I think we're just thread victims.
The blue and red colors that you consciously sense and the flavors that you taste from food do not exist in the physical world, even if you think they do.
I understand the point you're trying to make... but to play devil's advocate: the blue and red colors you sense and the flavors you taste exist in the physical world... just measure the chemical and electrical activity in the brain as the photosensors and chemical sensors react to the incoming stimuli. It can all be measured, and is similar for all people. That's all in the physical world.
If we understood the brain well enough, we might also be able to isolate the concepts themselves -- but as those would be stored uniquely in each brain, we're still a long ways away from figuring that part out. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist though -- just as easy to say that the Higgs boson doesn't exist in the physical world (which, in a way, it doesn't).
I should point out that whenever we get "science" stories, usually the scientists had very little input into the story as we know it. Science just isn't all that interesting in isolation, so editors editorialize it.
this is what I think, they are deliberately and obsessively trying to force a hard distinction because their rigid (and in this case willfully ignorant) world view is built on it.
This is ridiculous and embarrassing for people who call themselves scientists.
Or, the submitter and reporter have made a hatchet job of the original study, which simply found a mechanism that demonstrably filled in a gap in the chain that was previously only speculation.
Where do you live that social impact doesn't change your life? What would you be doing if slashdot no longer existed? Posting on Ars?
He wants to avoid "democratizing" war, but he is OK with governments doing it - I was also struck by this. Is this typical elitist thinking, or an effort to keep the genie in the bottle? Either way, the elites are thinking about what can happen when technology allows anyone to become their own army. Hey guys, it might be time to consider equality.
The odd thing is, isn't the US concept of "right to bear arms" all about people being able to arm and defend themselves against not just outside forces, but the government as well? His statement sounds like something a British MP would have been saying about the colonies in the late 1700's....
Personally, I'd much rather have my neighbor buzzing my place with a quadcopter with HD camera than have them doing something less obtrusive, like using a scope or a parabolic mic, or going through my trash. I guess once your property gets big enough that the scope/parabolic mic can't actually see as far as your house, the airspace thing becomes more of an issue. But if you've got enough property for there to be a distinction other than the noise and visible annoyance of the drone, than the drone is obviously trespassing, and you live somewhere where shooting it down on your own property (or just jamming the RF signal so it falls to the ground) should be perfectly legal and acceptable activity.
After all, most people's neighbor could already do this much more cheaply by putting their cellphone in streaming video mode and tying it to a helium baloon at the property line. That would be a lot quieter, too.
And why the sudden jump from commercial drone surveillance being invasion of privacy to militarization of the people (who are already supposed to be militarized anyway)? Sure, it could be used that way, but we all know that drones in private hands aren't going to be used to assassinate anyone; they're going to be used to take photos/videos that can be sold to tabloids and/or posted online. Hardly a group of people that's going to invade Iraq or liberate Texas.
...flying cars and hoverboards!
...and those two things would bring a LOT more lawsuits. Everyone's happy!