There are few things more addictive and difficult to argue with than religion, because you're not talking about sense or reality or science or rational thought.
You can apply that to some ateists as well. Moust of them belives evolution is proved and the missing link is found.
You can't scientifically argue with people who only can respond with "well, there must be a creator, because I feel it in my bones"
My faith is based on data. One part of it (the Bible), as you can find it in King James, can you have a copy of. Perhaps also a list of events to come so you can be convinced when they happend. But my observations I can't share with you, since you will not belive what I have experienced.
or people who can't possibly conceive that evolution doesn't in any way rule out there still being a creator.
I don't care if evolution don't rule out a creator, because it rules out The Creator.
Why support Microsofts non-free (as in free speach) tools in Eclipse? What I think is a problem here is that it depends on non-free software, it won't be portable to other platforms (like Linux) and it will give Microsoft a free tool to lock people into Windows (that even is given away for free).
Well, since I guess we disagree on philosophy: From a practical point of view, won't it be better to support something cross platform, like GNU's stuff (gcc, gdb...) and a cross platform toolkit (Gtk, Qt...)?
I am fully aware that the current scientific metod is based on falsification (negativisim, as opposed to posetivisim, where all must be proved. My first step when I argue with people beliving in evolution because it is thaught as 100% truth in public schools here in Norway). Perhaps it was my bad english, or your prejudgment of people not beliving in evolution, but what I meant by "evidence" was something that makes evolution more likely. (but if I can not use the world evidence that way in English, I apologise)
while we are at it, show me how the hypotece of (macro)evolution can be falsyfied. (Or is it not a scientific teory after all, but a faith?)
Well, just because something is supernatural (and not a trick) does not prove it is God. Remember, there are two sides. The Bible warns about those that serve the creature more than the creator...
first: sorry about my english, it's not my native language.
Then to the profs of God: there are many. Since I don't know your religion/philosofi/way of thinking, I will try my favorite: The Bible.
It is full of profecis, some that occurs while we speak. The resurection of Israel is a good example: "And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:" Ezekiel 37:21
When I was in Israel, I saw Ezekiel 36,34 with my own eyes: "And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited."
Stuff that have not hapend yet, but it seems like it might happend soon
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." Revelation of John 13:16-17 And as a slashdotter, I guess you have heard this profecy, and know in what direction the development point (I'm not claiming it has happend, but stay awake when it does, that mark is a onewayticket to hell)
"It was also given to him (Aticrist) to make war with the saints (the real christians) and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him." Rev 13,7 One World Goverment, well look at the direction the world moves. Almost unthinkable in a world with slow means of transportation
I hope you will accept at least the first evidence (Israel), but if you are looking for different kind evidence, just ask...
...or darwinists will be trying to force their faith* into public classrooms. Oh waith, already happend.
* (makro)evolution is not proven. Even if it was, you would have a hard time proving we are a result of marcroevolution.
Now mod me down for stepping on your religion
No religus freedom or freedom of speach in Sweden
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Their next big project is to take away people's freedom. This includes privacy, speech, religion, anonymity, association, everything. It didn't start just two days ago, but it began in earnest just a few years ago. Get ready.
Already here. In Sweeden, it is now illegal to say that homosexuallity is wrong. (My fellow europeans, this is wrong because it breaks bouth free speach and religous freedom, since preacing from the Bible (Romans 1) and claiming it is the truth can now get you to jail) Seems like freedom of deeds nowdays are way more important than freedom of speak...
we have a little choice in the US, from home schooling to waivers for "religious reasons", although most would not have enough information to do so.
I have one religous reason here, if anybody needs one: A lot of those caccinations are made of parts from murdured babyes. (or abortions, if you like to be political correct) "I refuse to sanctionise those murders by taking advantage from them." (a lot of christinas and others belive abortion is murder) "Parts of a human sacrifices is the most powerfull bearers of curses! No way!" (in some occult tradisions, a curce can easyly be carried by a object. It will be extra powerfull if it is placed near / inside the one that is cursed. A powerfull bearer will be a pice of a sacrifice. Humansacrifices are considered the most powerfull, the younger the better)
That estimation would still requre that inteligent alien lifeforms exists, and that the signals we get would truly be from aliens.
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Success? My guess is that over 90% of those "converted" by this method burns in hell right now. The simple fact is: -you can not force people to be born again. All that is possible to force people to do is to pretend they are born again.
Good enough if you want power, not god if you want people in heaven (in fact, I think fewer will be born again by using force)
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The problem was that the catolic church at that time had embrasedthe science of the time (greek philosophy, like it today embrases darwinisim). That was why many great minds of that time were called blasphemers.
Lesson: never mix science into theology. The other way arond: well, the Bible have been proven right over the science over and over again, so...:)
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What about starting a project? I have long have sevral ideas for christian games, and there are a lot of free (as in speach) gameengines out there... (My favorit ideas is adventures or rpgs)
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Belive or die is NOT a christian conversion method. If you read the Bible instead of whatching all the fakes (or misguided), you will see that YOU must be born again. I can not force you to be that, it is someting between you and God. All I can do is to show you the way and pray that God will call on you.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." Jesus
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There are few things more addictive and difficult to argue with than religion, because you're not talking about sense or reality or science or rational thought.
You can apply that to some ateists as well. Moust of them belives evolution is proved and the missing link is found.
You can't scientifically argue with people who only can respond with "well, there must be a creator, because I feel it in my bones"
My faith is based on data. One part of it (the Bible), as you can find it in King James, can you have a copy of. Perhaps also a list of events to come so you can be convinced when they happend. But my observations I can't share with you, since you will not belive what I have experienced.
or people who can't possibly conceive that evolution doesn't in any way rule out there still being a creator. I don't care if evolution don't rule out a creator, because it rules out The Creator.
Well, since I guess we disagree on philosophy: From a practical point of view, won't it be better to support something cross platform, like GNU's stuff (gcc, gdb...) and a cross platform toolkit (Gtk, Qt...)?
Or better, trow out (macro)evolution, and leave the question open. Macroevolution is, like creation, based on faith.
while we are at it, show me how the hypotece of (macro)evolution can be falsyfied. (Or is it not a scientific teory after all, but a faith?)
Well, just because something is supernatural (and not a trick) does not prove it is God. Remember, there are two sides. The Bible warns about those that serve the creature more than the creator...
Then to the profs of God: there are many. Since I don't know your religion/philosofi/way of thinking, I will try my favorite: The Bible.
It is full of profecis, some that occurs while we speak. The resurection of Israel is a good example: "And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:" Ezekiel 37:21
When I was in Israel, I saw Ezekiel 36,34 with my own eyes: "And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited."
Stuff that have not hapend yet, but it seems like it might happend soon
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." Revelation of John 13:16-17 And as a slashdotter, I guess you have heard this profecy, and know in what direction the development point (I'm not claiming it has happend, but stay awake when it does, that mark is a onewayticket to hell)
"It was also given to him (Aticrist) to make war with the saints (the real christians) and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him." Rev 13,7 One World Goverment, well look at the direction the world moves. Almost unthinkable in a world with slow means of transportation
I hope you will accept at least the first evidence (Israel), but if you are looking for different kind evidence, just ask...
Well, I guess you will not give me evidence for evolution because you can't give me evidence that will hold any test.
Well, show me some evidence on macroevolution, and I enlight all the ignorant creationists.
...or darwinists will be trying to force their faith* into public classrooms. Oh waith, already happend. * (makro)evolution is not proven. Even if it was, you would have a hard time proving we are a result of marcroevolution. Now mod me down for stepping on your religion
"I refuse to sanctionise those murders by taking advantage from them." (a lot of christinas and others belive abortion is murder)
"Parts of a human sacrifices is the most powerfull bearers of curses! No way!" (in some occult tradisions, a curce can easyly be carried by a object. It will be extra powerfull if it is placed near / inside the one that is cursed. A powerfull bearer will be a pice of a sacrifice. Humansacrifices are considered the most powerfull, the younger the better)
That estimation would still requre that inteligent alien lifeforms exists, and that the signals we get would truly be from aliens.
Good enough if you want power, not god if you want people in heaven (in fact, I think fewer will be born again by using force)
The problem was that the catolic church at that time had embrasedthe science of the time (greek philosophy, like it today embrases darwinisim). That was why many great minds of that time were called blasphemers. Lesson: never mix science into theology. The other way arond: well, the Bible have been proven right over the science over and over again, so... :)
What about starting a project? I have long have sevral ideas for christian games, and there are a lot of free (as in speach) gameengines out there... (My favorit ideas is adventures or rpgs)
Belive or die is NOT a christian conversion method. If you read the Bible instead of whatching all the fakes (or misguided), you will see that YOU must be born again. I can not force you to be that, it is someting between you and God. All I can do is to show you the way and pray that God will call on you. "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." Jesus
You could do that by creating a Jabberaccont, adding AIM to it, and download a Jabberclient for the phone (it's a lot of them, try jabber.org)
The adapter is for routing incoming calls to your homephone. If you prefer using your computer for it it will be free for other SIP users, and a subscription fee for a phonenumber + per minutt fee for calls to normal phones. http://store.sipphonestore.com/