Who cares about Skype when we have iCall http://www.icall.com/ where one can make free (and I mean free) phone calls throughout the US and Canada, without dolling out dollars to Ebay? Skype executives should wake up and smell the coffee.
It's all about the money so follow it. I can't wait for the Asians to put an Apple clone onto the market. That way the iPhone will become "just another phone." Or have they patented that touch interface?
As for GNOME, my mother manages fine with the file dialogs and they seem straightforward enough to me.
Did the GP "complain" that GNOME does not manage fine with file dialogs or that they are not straight forward?
As for Apache on desktop hardware, ask Google. They run server farms with server software on cheap commodity PC hardware and guess what; they are not alone. At my university, a good number of students are running traditional server software on what many would regard as desktop PCs.
When you want to safe a file in a directory that doesn't exist yet, you need to create it.
OK, I could also retort and say, "When you want to save a file to a name which is already assinged to another file in the subject directory without overwriting it, you rename the "offending" file on the fly." What's wrong with that?
It's part of the same action. However, you wouldn't need to go delete or rename files.
See above! I wonder what harm a simple addition in functionality would do. I've never been convinced.
All you do is run 1 command: dpkg-reconfigure postfix
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Will the successful execution of that command result in having a fully functional mail server be it an ISP style server or otherwise? The last time I ran that command (three weeks ago) I still had to configure MySQL, Dovecot. This was not trivial at first.
As opposed to what? Editing them with a graphical text editor?
Now read this very carefully:
As opposed to running a single configuration script that picks all parameters from the user and puts them in the associated configuration files. The outcome being a fully functional mail server. Now tell me...Is this rocket science?
Folks with attitudes similar to yours (who say "Servers do *not* use GUIs") are some of the people keeping Linux "behind."
Why do you think that because you do not prefer a GUI, everyone should be like you? And by the way, a simple configuration script is what I am talking about; not a GUI necessarily. I wonder why my suggested approach would be seen as not-so-productive.
But as the price of hardware for small basic machines comes down, (think under US$250 by the end of next year), then software price starts to become a big issue. Why would you pay the price of your new laptop again just for the software, when all you want to do is really basic things?"
Unless Linux vendors produce what people want, there will not be that much anticipated uptake at all.
If one has to download and configure not less that 4 pieces of software just to get a basic mail-server functional, using the command line and editing text files which can be prone to errors...
If one has to put up with slow loading software (read OpenOffice.org) running on ugly interfaces that sometimes look incomplete (read KDE and GNOME), then we in the Linux world will wait a long time to get noticed especially on the desktop.
But it's getting better on the server front. The Apache web server for example does not require that many add ons [if any], to get it fully functional, and the upcoming release of KDE looks very promising.
On the GNOME front, I am not impressed by its inability to do basic file operations in the file dialog.
Those that argue that this functionality should be restricted to the file manager have never explained why one can still create a directory/folder within this same file dialog. With their argument, it should be removed. Period.
In addition to Kubuntu, I am using WIndows XP professional and was not really sure my woes with the system were because of these stealth updates. But I can say that sound would automatically mute itself whether Windows Media Player or any other media player was playing or not.
I thought this was because of Skype, Windows Media Player, VLC Player or Real Player. I installed new versions of all of these apps but this did not help.
I struggled with this problem and found little help, even from Microsoft itself. The good thing is that Windows XP has a [neat] feature that rolls the system back to its previous configuration. This is what I used and had this problem solved.
But I then wondered whether we in the Linux world have anything comparable to the feature that helped me roll back my settings in Windows XP Professional. I haven't found one! Have I looked hard enough of am I looking in the wrong places?
As Apple gets more and more of its revenue from non-Mac devices, they are also getting more and more of their revenue from devices that simply exclude third parties. Consumers suffer from this. We suffer from increased prices and decreased competition and innovation. We suffer so Apple can make a few more bucks, when Apple is clearly not hurting for money.'"
It's plain simple: Don't buy or let the Chinese or othe electronics manufacturers clone the iPhone then people like you will be happy. Shhesh!
For PostgreSQL, I am still searching for a decent programmable GUI. Never found one! The Web based ones found in products like Webmin et al just do basic stuff. Think of Microsoft's Access which is a GUI to its JET database engine. Know of any?
Two years later, through blood and sweat, the project was then canceled because of limitations of Rails.
While I do not doubt the hired programmers coding skills, I am afraid he was incompetent at planning.
It's like choosing ISAM as the DB engine in MySQL instead if InnoDB then expecting to implement [referential] integrity using your own code.
The fact that it took two years to realize imminent failure disturbs my mind. The worst thing is that this coder might have been an Open Source enthusiast that I'd expect to know better.
I am afraid no home work was done or whatever home work was done, it not good enough. The results speak for themselves.
I heard that something called NetBeans was also a Java IDE and that it's better, easier and has plug-ins...not to mention a large community behind it. I will say one thing though: I am no Java developer so I cannot contribute meaningfully!
I guess a better conclusion would be a disclaimer: -
You see, I thought my German friends were more pragmatic than we Americans, but this law is making me review my attitude towards them. I personally doubt it will have any effect.
Isn't this the same Gartner that Laura DiDio worked for and suggested that Open Source software and especially Linux had no place in the then "today's world?" I guess things have changed a lot. But what does she say now? An slashdotter wants to know.
This development is good news. I would like Mozilla to help out with a problem I was having getting a mail server setup. It was with Postfix as the MTA with Dovecot, MySQL and other essential essential sotware.
Could Mozilla create a script that can walk one through the setup of a mail server, just like setting up of Postfix is done using its configuration script.
I can tell you that without a lot of zeal to succeed, setting up a mail server can be an exercise in frustration. There are so many software versions, tutorials and other resources geared to helping out, but these almost always confuse!
I even thought of creating the script but I still need to polish my [bash] Linux shell programming skills.
A script to check whether one has all the components necessary to install a mail server, it goes ahead to list and pick-out/isolate duplicate software, then goes ahead and configures the environment...including the set-up of tables using MySQL or PostgreSQL or whatever. Then finally allows the admin to decide whether the need an ISP style mail server hosting virtual domains or otherwise.
so it's not like it's going to happen, but I don't see how forking the kernel would do anything than just lead to distribution craziness.
We already have "distribution craziness", with each distro placing vital system files in different places...and sometimes applications requiring different versions of a particular file in order to function. Man, it's crazy already.
Think about this...
They also (once again) voiced their public support for the ODF standard. How come ODF is not among the file types one can search on Google's Advanced Search page?
I did not know this http://www.bongo-project.org/ existed. I swear to God...I have never heard of Bongo at all. One wonders what else I do not know about.
We better fork the entire Zimbra code before it's too late. I liked their idea, used it a few times via their demo website, but was never successful at getting their server installed on Ubuntu. Open source was as good [or bad]as closed source software in this case.
I agree with you though, that Yahoo is not very friendly with Open Source. Look at their Launchcast music service...it's not friendly to Firefox even to-date!
Unfortunately, I cannot make a difference since I am no developer.
I agree with you on this issue, but will not accept this argument as the reason for Kubuntu folks to produce a desktop that is full of bugs and in some cases, looks incomplete and ugly. What about producing a desktop that is less functional but quite a pleasure to look at -- by default?
I liked what they did with Konqueror like merging some of the tool bars. But overall, KDE, as a default installation, looks incomplete and needs lots of work to please a user like me. Sadly, I am not alone and the coders think it's the distros' work to make it beautiful.
I applaud the Ubuntu team for their efforts but castigate them for not putting just as much effort into KDE and Kubuntu, despite the fact that Canonical's head said that KDE would be "fully" supported and given attention. I have looked at KDE 4.0 and I can say it looks very promising. Ubuntu still, appears to lean mostly toward GNOME.
...can you elaborate on your "experience" from which you have concluded that crashes in current Linux apps are due to GCC?...
Did you read my submission...or are you engaged in what I call syntax distortion? I did not say "...crashes are due to GCC...", what I said is that crashes are in large part due to GCC.
It would be helpful if you too, provided evidence to back up what you are saying. Watch this threade.
I guess the question should be whether this compiler produces applications that crash less. In my experience, the crashes in current Linux applications are due to in large part, to GCC, though code quality also has something to do with these crashes.
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Who cares about Skype when we have iCall http://www.icall.com/ where one can make free (and I mean free) phone calls throughout the US and Canada, without dolling out dollars to Ebay? Skype executives should wake up and smell the coffee.
It's all about the money so follow it. I can't wait for the Asians to put an Apple clone onto the market. That way the iPhone will become "just another phone." Or have they patented that touch interface?
Did the GP "complain" that GNOME does not manage fine with file dialogs or that they are not straight forward?
As for Apache on desktop hardware, ask Google. They run server farms with server software on cheap commodity PC hardware and guess what; they are not alone. At my university, a good number of students are running traditional server software on what many would regard as desktop PCs.
OK, I could also retort and say, "When you want to save a file to a name which is already assinged to another file in the subject directory without overwriting it, you rename the "offending" file on the fly." What's wrong with that?
It's part of the same action. However, you wouldn't need to go delete or rename files.See above! I wonder what harm a simple addition in functionality would do. I've never been convinced.
I prefer Amazon because I will not touch DRMed music, tied to a platform even with a 10 foot pole!
Will the successful execution of that command result in having a fully functional mail server be it an ISP style server or otherwise? The last time I ran that command (three weeks ago) I still had to configure MySQL, Dovecot. This was not trivial at first.
Now read this very carefully:
As opposed to running a single configuration script that picks all parameters from the user and puts them in the associated configuration files. The outcome being a fully functional mail server. Now tell me...Is this rocket science?
Folks with attitudes similar to yours (who say "Servers do *not* use GUIs") are some of the people keeping Linux "behind."
Why do you think that because you do not prefer a GUI, everyone should be like you? And by the way, a simple configuration script is what I am talking about; not a GUI necessarily. I wonder why my suggested approach would be seen as not-so-productive.
Unless Linux vendors produce what people want, there will not be that much anticipated uptake at all.
If one has to download and configure not less that 4 pieces of software just to get a basic mail-server functional, using the command line and editing text files which can be prone to errors...
If one has to put up with slow loading software (read OpenOffice.org) running on ugly interfaces that sometimes look incomplete (read KDE and GNOME), then we in the Linux world will wait a long time to get noticed especially on the desktop.
But it's getting better on the server front. The Apache web server for example does not require that many add ons [if any], to get it fully functional, and the upcoming release of KDE looks very promising.
On the GNOME front, I am not impressed by its inability to do basic file operations in the file dialog.
Those that argue that this functionality should be restricted to the file manager have never explained why one can still create a directory/folder within this same file dialog. With their argument, it should be removed. Period.
I thought this was because of Skype, Windows Media Player, VLC Player or Real Player. I installed new versions of all of these apps but this did not help. I struggled with this problem and found little help, even from Microsoft itself. The good thing is that Windows XP has a [neat] feature that rolls the system back to its previous configuration. This is what I used and had this problem solved.
But I then wondered whether we in the Linux world have anything comparable to the feature that helped me roll back my settings in Windows XP Professional. I haven't found one! Have I looked hard enough of am I looking in the wrong places?
Just hit customers with a US$1.00 increment in service charges. Problem solved. Period.
It's plain simple: Don't buy or let the Chinese or othe electronics manufacturers clone the iPhone then people like you will be happy. Shhesh!
For PostgreSQL, I am still searching for a decent programmable GUI. Never found one! The Web based ones found in products like Webmin et al just do basic stuff. Think of Microsoft's Access which is a GUI to its JET database engine. Know of any?
While I do not doubt the hired programmers coding skills, I am afraid he was incompetent at planning.
It's like choosing ISAM as the DB engine in MySQL instead if InnoDB then expecting to implement [referential] integrity using your own code.
The fact that it took two years to realize imminent failure disturbs my mind. The worst thing is that this coder might have been an Open Source enthusiast that I'd expect to know better.
I am afraid no home work was done or whatever home work was done, it not good enough. The results speak for themselves.
I guess a better conclusion would be a disclaimer: -
I do not know what I am talking about!
You see, I thought my German friends were more pragmatic than we Americans, but this law is making me review my attitude towards them. I personally doubt it will have any effect.
Isn't this the same Gartner that Laura DiDio worked for and suggested that Open Source software and especially Linux had no place in the then "today's world?" I guess things have changed a lot. But what does she say now? An slashdotter wants to know.
Could Mozilla create a script that can walk one through the setup of a mail server, just like setting up of Postfix is done using its configuration script.
I can tell you that without a lot of zeal to succeed, setting up a mail server can be an exercise in frustration. There are so many software versions, tutorials and other resources geared to helping out, but these almost always confuse!
I even thought of creating the script but I still need to polish my [bash] Linux shell programming skills.
A script to check whether one has all the components necessary to install a mail server, it goes ahead to list and pick-out/isolate duplicate software, then goes ahead and configures the environment...including the set-up of tables using MySQL or PostgreSQL or whatever. Then finally allows the admin to decide whether the need an ISP style mail server hosting virtual domains or otherwise.
I wonder why we do not have such a script.
We already have "distribution craziness", with each distro placing vital system files in different places...and sometimes applications requiring different versions of a particular file in order to function. Man, it's crazy already.
Have a look. http://www.google.ca/advanced_search?q=details.odf&hl=en
Are they still the folks who will do no evil? I am beginning to doubt.
I did not know this http://www.bongo-project.org/ existed. I swear to God...I have never heard of Bongo at all. One wonders what else I do not know about.
I agree with you though, that Yahoo is not very friendly with Open Source. Look at their Launchcast music service...it's not friendly to Firefox even to-date!
Unfortunately, I cannot make a difference since I am no developer.
I liked what they did with Konqueror like merging some of the tool bars. But overall, KDE, as a default installation, looks incomplete and needs lots of work to please a user like me. Sadly, I am not alone and the coders think it's the distros' work to make it beautiful.
I applaud the Ubuntu team for their efforts but castigate them for not putting just as much effort into KDE and Kubuntu, despite the fact that Canonical's head said that KDE would be "fully" supported and given attention. I have looked at KDE 4.0 and I can say it looks very promising. Ubuntu still, appears to lean mostly toward GNOME.
...can you elaborate on your "experience" from which you have concluded that crashes in current Linux apps are due to GCC?...Did you read my submission...or are you engaged in what I call syntax distortion? I did not say "...crashes are due to GCC...", what I said is that crashes are in large part due to GCC.
It would be helpful if you too, provided evidence to back up what you are saying. Watch this threade.
I guess the question should be whether this compiler produces applications that crash less. In my experience, the crashes in current Linux applications are due to in large part, to GCC, though code quality also has something to do with these crashes.