As the cause of a part of this thread, please allow me to clarify. I do not want a violent solution. However, I expect it to occur. I agree with everything you said really.
However, as the reason for the revolution, here's what I've begun to expect: The republican party is about to basically implode as it is nowhere near it's original idea (fiscal conservatives) and grossly a whole subset of fundies, who the republican party wants to get away from. Nobody in 2009+ wants to be screaming "xtian" all day, even people are getting tired of rush limbaugh/the old fundies are dying. Liberal/democrat party is not going anywhere, it's getting more and more out of touch but not there yet (another 20 years from when the republican party splits it'll be there assuming no other outside factors) In getting away from them (and the ensuing split), neither side has enough resources (people, funds, etc) to sustain itself and goes kaputz. What happens when you have only democrats? You have complete imbalance and abuse of power as independents rise up,new parties etc. So either a: a new party rises up (and damn if I don't suspect the pirate party because I sure do), b: democrats go ballistic/turn it into some oligarchy worse than the equivalent that we have (equally unlikely), or c: violent revolution (we all lose short term, possibly long term). Sadly, I see this happening way sooner than the full 20 year ceiling originally guessed.
As someone says below, things are way more tied in. They can't just off IE altogether, nor should they have to. If they want to use trident, it's their own call. That's like Gnome vs KDE debates, everyone has a preference. Sadly though, I still don't think they let you remove the browser 100% as they should, unless they're letting you do WGA online without requiring ActiveX.
Sadly though, I think it's just a "remove the icon" scenario. They don't want to get hit as hard with the antitrust as they know they will be.
However, you notice how they did this extremely carefully? "Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in, ship another browser or ship multiple browsers, according to a confidential memo that was sent to PC makers and seen by CNET News." That "computer maker option" = windows OS discount. They're just putting off the scandal for another OS to be swept under the rug again. I'm sure they'll have a behind the scenes OEM discount for those who bundle IE, kind of like the netbook thing and what they did to the EEEpc, etc.
It's just going to outline the way things are slowly proceeding:
ideas that are cultural are being blended. USA was the melting pot, the world is becoming the melting pot. What this means is that things such a religions, values that are specific to a culture, are all going to have to be thrown out. Giant culture shock, but that is the way that it goes.
Rollover risks are higher but SUV's don't follow car bumper requirements so oftentimes the SUV driver will survive but the other car being hit if a non SUV, won't. You are completely incorrect about the weight in the top of the vehicle. vehicles are engineered to be able to support their weight with the tops of the vehicles. That's what a B frame(column/pillar) is for and designed to support. Even car salespeople know this.
Rollover's danger is not in being stuck upside down and magically the car crushing. Rollover's danger is in that rotating at high gravity inside a vehicle strapped down like that can cause organs to be pierced/pinched that weren't at the point of impact.
eh, I'm not big on violent solutions as the end result can be horrible dictators, but I can't say that with the way the US is going that I don't expect a revolution or civil war in the next 10-20 years.
Now we can get 20MPG out of what, like 200 horsepower on something that weighs 2000 pounds more, is safer both to drive and less likely to kill pedestrians if it hits them (yes, they are engineered to be less pedestrian-fatal), start in cold weather, and generally run hundreds of thousands of miles. So remind me, where's the comparison here?
Oh, right. Back to reality. Research pays for itself more than investing in corporations. However, corporations have our society by the balls, so what is to be expected? In short, we have given corporations too much rights. We need to be investing in ourselves aka research.
Time is not a true penalty for the sense of this argument. I recognize the respawn delay if you die too much, running to your body, etc. However, 10 minutes of your time isn't a real cost: you don't lose any resources. No gold or gear is lost from being ganked. Just your pride, which people get butthurt over. As the guy said, he isn't griefing people mid-quest, he's just griefing randoms.
Why? There's absolutely nothing wrong with what he does. Death in wow has zero penalties, and it's absolutely within the game mechanics to grief people like he does. Maybe you need a -1 reality check (aka overrated) mod?
Eve allows tons of griefing, as does darkfall, as does any game with PVP, especially if you're on a PVP server. The victims that are bad players always cry out like no other, which feeds and entertains those who choose to grief. If you choose to carebear all day then do so, that's your $15.
high end version? do you understand intel's processor path? It's a mandatory upgrade every new socket. Maybe you might want to look into AMD if you want to not waste cash on an i7 920 which is being discontinued, by the way. Mind you, I use an i7 920, but only because I got it free. Had I not, I'd be running AMD.
That's just the motherboard, let alone the processor or ram cost differences. Not to mention they are about to change the socket again rather soon, if I recall correctly (aka 1 year).
AMD changes sockets a lot more gradually, letting people actually, you know, upgrade.
windows update -> turned off automatic plugin update in firefox -> disabled
It comes in on anything that is required to install.net in any form. That's pretty shady, thus outrage. There was no confirmation of it being installed into firefox, and due to how they did it, none was necessary.
Had this been an accident, I bet they would have installed it as an addon that confirms, as opposed to an automatically installed plugin. Let's be real. It's not a virus, even if some people may feel that way in a sense.
No, people got pissed because it was installed in the first place without any notification. In my case it was installed without any security updates. I didn't ask for a plugin to install a vulnerability without any confirmation.
If they did all users for the plugin installation has absolutely 0 to do with that.
I apologize if what I wrote sounded ad hominem, as I did not intend to send such a message.
I'm not saying all funding is used inappropriately, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot is. Since when is corruption or abuse of funding a surprise? I could cite plenty of examples of that happening with all sorts of gov't funding. I'm trying not to imply that we should abolish taxes, and I agree it would come from another source otherwise. So what then? what is the solution to either a legitimate or illegitimate lack of funding due to these taxes then? I think focusing on efficiency as opposed to alternative sources to increase funding would probably go longer.
Where do you make up for magic $.184/gal of tax? You only looked at federal and forgot that there is state and city gas tax too which adds up to a hell of a lot more than 18 cents a gallon. Add another 58 cents for illinois state plus 6% sales tax plus 13 cents per gallon in the city. Guess what you've got? A lot closer to 25%.
So lets figure: 3$ to the gallon at 10 gallons (30$) - 89c tax per gallon combined = $8.90, oh and 6.25% sales tax is factored in. Does that really sound like a small amount to you?
say what? Nice to start with a stereotypical republican argument. I'm barely a democrat and more a moderate, moreso because we don't have any other party that seems to debate using actual logic. See two sides well debated and I will support whoever uses logic and makes the btter argument. It's not like I even choose to follow any party values, its just republican arguments consist of misconstruing their counterparts, racism arguments, etc. We need to flush our parties and establish new parties. Enough politics.
Meanwhile, we have taxes for streets, etc. Ever heard of tollbooths? Ever heard of city taxes? You really think the funds *havent* been misappropriated?
Once again, city + state + federal tax on gas reaches well above 25%. Try living in chicago, and you'll know what it's like. We have the highest tax in the US, so I think I know what I'm talking about on this one (we're at 3$ and above).
Even beyond what someone said when they replied to you, there are 2 other parts:
1: they have already released one addition. If they stop there people will go "WTF?"
2: people will get bored of the game if it isn't constantly updated. Although there is a huge retro-gaming crowd, any game that isn't constantly changing, with new things to achieve will start to lose people's interest and then lose popularity.
What do you think 15 cents is when it is misappropriated and charged to an entire state/abused/shown to not have matched the original intent at all?
answer: a whole lot of money going nowhere. See FEMA, many useless taxes in general, etc.
Really, 15 cents sounds like small amounts, but so did the original 3% or whatever for taxing gasoline. Now about 1/4 of gasoline cost is tax. How's that working out? Money well spent?
Okay, if you say "this is your game and that is it" for $50, and you sell another later, even a few months later be my guest.
However if you say "we're going to add a whole lot of shit down the road, more maps, etc", and don't deliver, or start to deliver (as they did) but do a half assed job, do you expect people to rationalize it at the cost per month? Answer: no. Gamers aren't sheep like that.
If L4D1 doesn't add more stuff before November it will affect L4D2 sales for that reason especially even more now with them saying that L4d1 maps can be brought into L4d2. Never promise something you can't keep.
Really, an alpha build is expected to be considered a finished product? They never said we won't let you change privacy settings/search engine, it's called "we haven't even bothered coding features because this isn't stable".
If your ass smells like rats, that explains where your head is.
It's got to be a joke, there are plenty of sections of the law that make ISP's not liable for such things. So unless some magic law passed that none of us knew about which would have been publicized worldwide, there's really not a whole lot of sense from the article.
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As the cause of a part of this thread, please allow me to clarify. I do not want a violent solution. However, I expect it to occur. I agree with everything you said really.
However, as the reason for the revolution, here's what I've begun to expect: The republican party is about to basically implode as it is nowhere near it's original idea (fiscal conservatives) and grossly a whole subset of fundies, who the republican party wants to get away from. Nobody in 2009+ wants to be screaming "xtian" all day, even people are getting tired of rush limbaugh/the old fundies are dying. Liberal/democrat party is not going anywhere, it's getting more and more out of touch but not there yet (another 20 years from when the republican party splits it'll be there assuming no other outside factors) In getting away from them (and the ensuing split), neither side has enough resources (people, funds, etc) to sustain itself and goes kaputz. What happens when you have only democrats? You have complete imbalance and abuse of power as independents rise up,new parties etc. So either a: a new party rises up (and damn if I don't suspect the pirate party because I sure do), b: democrats go ballistic/turn it into some oligarchy worse than the equivalent that we have (equally unlikely), or c: violent revolution (we all lose short term, possibly long term).
Sadly, I see this happening way sooner than the full 20 year ceiling originally guessed.
As someone says below, things are way more tied in. They can't just off IE altogether, nor should they have to. If they want to use trident, it's their own call. That's like Gnome vs KDE debates, everyone has a preference. Sadly though, I still don't think they let you remove the browser 100% as they should, unless they're letting you do WGA online without requiring ActiveX.
Sadly though, I think it's just a "remove the icon" scenario. They don't want to get hit as hard with the antitrust as they know they will be.
However, you notice how they did this extremely carefully? "Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in, ship another browser or ship multiple browsers, according to a confidential memo that was sent to PC makers and seen by CNET News." That "computer maker option" = windows OS discount. They're just putting off the scandal for another OS to be swept under the rug again. I'm sure they'll have a behind the scenes OEM discount for those who bundle IE, kind of like the netbook thing and what they did to the EEEpc, etc.
People want hardcore and casual gaming. The wii caters to casual. simple, done.
It's just going to outline the way things are slowly proceeding:
ideas that are cultural are being blended. USA was the melting pot, the world is becoming the melting pot. What this means is that things such a religions, values that are specific to a culture, are all going to have to be thrown out. Giant culture shock, but that is the way that it goes.
Rollover risks are higher but SUV's don't follow car bumper requirements so oftentimes the SUV driver will survive but the other car being hit if a non SUV, won't. You are completely incorrect about the weight in the top of the vehicle. vehicles are engineered to be able to support their weight with the tops of the vehicles. That's what a B frame(column/pillar) is for and designed to support. Even car salespeople know this.
Rollover's danger is not in being stuck upside down and magically the car crushing. Rollover's danger is in that rotating at high gravity inside a vehicle strapped down like that can cause organs to be pierced/pinched that weren't at the point of impact.
Privately funded? We're talking about government funding here. Different stuff.
I'm going to guess reading comprehension is a term you've never heard of?
I'd bet on it.
eh, I'm not big on violent solutions as the end result can be horrible dictators, but I can't say that with the way the US is going that I don't expect a revolution or civil war in the next 10-20 years.
Model T also had what, like 20 horsepower?
Now we can get 20MPG out of what, like 200 horsepower on something that weighs 2000 pounds more, is safer both to drive and less likely to kill pedestrians if it hits them (yes, they are engineered to be less pedestrian-fatal), start in cold weather, and generally run hundreds of thousands of miles. So remind me, where's the comparison here?
Oh, right. Back to reality. Research pays for itself more than investing in corporations. However, corporations have our society by the balls, so what is to be expected? In short, we have given corporations too much rights. We need to be investing in ourselves aka research.
Okay, lets try this:
your issue is a moral issue. There is no logic behind it. That is why your entire argument fails.
Time is not a true penalty for the sense of this argument. I recognize the respawn delay if you die too much, running to your body, etc. However, 10 minutes of your time isn't a real cost: you don't lose any resources. No gold or gear is lost from being ganked. Just your pride, which people get butthurt over. As the guy said, he isn't griefing people mid-quest, he's just griefing randoms.
Why? There's absolutely nothing wrong with what he does. Death in wow has zero penalties, and it's absolutely within the game mechanics to grief people like he does. Maybe you need a -1 reality check (aka overrated) mod?
Eve allows tons of griefing, as does darkfall, as does any game with PVP, especially if you're on a PVP server. The victims that are bad players always cry out like no other, which feeds and entertains those who choose to grief. If you choose to carebear all day then do so, that's your $15.
high end version? do you understand intel's processor path? It's a mandatory upgrade every new socket. Maybe you might want to look into AMD if you want to not waste cash on an i7 920 which is being discontinued, by the way. Mind you, I use an i7 920, but only because I got it free. Had I not, I'd be running AMD.
That's just the motherboard, let alone the processor or ram cost differences. Not to mention they are about to change the socket again rather soon, if I recall correctly (aka 1 year).
AMD changes sockets a lot more gradually, letting people actually, you know, upgrade.
windows update -> turned off
automatic plugin update in firefox -> disabled
It comes in on anything that is required to install .net in any form. That's pretty shady, thus outrage. There was no confirmation of it being installed into firefox, and due to how they did it, none was necessary.
Had this been an accident, I bet they would have installed it as an addon that confirms, as opposed to an automatically installed plugin. Let's be real. It's not a virus, even if some people may feel that way in a sense.
No, people got pissed because it was installed in the first place without any notification. In my case it was installed without any security updates. I didn't ask for a plugin to install a vulnerability without any confirmation.
If they did all users for the plugin installation has absolutely 0 to do with that.
I apologize if what I wrote sounded ad hominem, as I did not intend to send such a message.
I'm not saying all funding is used inappropriately, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot is. Since when is corruption or abuse of funding a surprise? I could cite plenty of examples of that happening with all sorts of gov't funding. I'm trying not to imply that we should abolish taxes, and I agree it would come from another source otherwise. So what then? what is the solution to either a legitimate or illegitimate lack of funding due to these taxes then? I think focusing on efficiency as opposed to alternative sources to increase funding would probably go longer.
Where do you make up for magic $.184/gal of tax? You only looked at federal and forgot that there is state and city gas tax too which adds up to a hell of a lot more than 18 cents a gallon. Add another 58 cents for illinois state plus 6% sales tax plus 13 cents per gallon in the city. Guess what you've got? A lot closer to 25%.
So lets figure: 3$ to the gallon at 10 gallons (30$) - 89c tax per gallon combined = $8.90, oh and 6.25% sales tax is factored in. Does that really sound like a small amount to you?
say what? Nice to start with a stereotypical republican argument. I'm barely a democrat and more a moderate, moreso because we don't have any other party that seems to debate using actual logic. See two sides well debated and I will support whoever uses logic and makes the btter argument. It's not like I even choose to follow any party values, its just republican arguments consist of misconstruing their counterparts, racism arguments, etc. We need to flush our parties and establish new parties. Enough politics.
Meanwhile, we have taxes for streets, etc. Ever heard of tollbooths? Ever heard of city taxes? You really think the funds *havent* been misappropriated?
Once again, city + state + federal tax on gas reaches well above 25%. Try living in chicago, and you'll know what it's like. We have the highest tax in the US, so I think I know what I'm talking about on this one (we're at 3$ and above).
Even beyond what someone said when they replied to you, there are 2 other parts:
1: they have already released one addition. If they stop there people will go "WTF?"
2: people will get bored of the game if it isn't constantly updated. Although there is a huge retro-gaming crowd, any game that isn't constantly changing, with new things to achieve will start to lose people's interest and then lose popularity.
What do you think 15 cents is when it is misappropriated and charged to an entire state/abused/shown to not have matched the original intent at all?
answer: a whole lot of money going nowhere. See FEMA, many useless taxes in general, etc.
Really, 15 cents sounds like small amounts, but so did the original 3% or whatever for taxing gasoline. Now about 1/4 of gasoline cost is tax. How's that working out? Money well spent?
Okay, if you say "this is your game and that is it" for $50, and you sell another later, even a few months later be my guest.
However if you say "we're going to add a whole lot of shit down the road, more maps, etc", and don't deliver, or start to deliver (as they did) but do a half assed job, do you expect people to rationalize it at the cost per month? Answer: no. Gamers aren't sheep like that.
If L4D1 doesn't add more stuff before November it will affect L4D2 sales for that reason especially even more now with them saying that L4d1 maps can be brought into L4d2. Never promise something you can't keep.
Really, an alpha build is expected to be considered a finished product? They never said we won't let you change privacy settings/search engine, it's called "we haven't even bothered coding features because this isn't stable".
If your ass smells like rats, that explains where your head is.
It's got to be a joke, there are plenty of sections of the law that make ISP's not liable for such things. So unless some magic law passed that none of us knew about which would have been publicized worldwide, there's really not a whole lot of sense from the article.
are you the keymaster?