What bothers me is when people refer to OSS people using religious terms, like "priest." That's just petty name-calling.
Besides, there's reasons to like Linux other than its technical merits, there's also the fact that it's free, and it's free. People who choose Linux partly based on those merits are often erroneously called zealots, but those merits allow you to do more with Linux than you would be able to otherwise. Many people fail to understand that, or simply refuse to.
Yes, I know, but, IMO, it's also not always invalid to make comparisons to persons who aren't responsible for millions of deaths.
There is more to the Nazis and Hitler than murder, there is organizational structures, propaganda, and forms of "brainwashing."
I don't know about McRosoft, but I've heard of companies that do some pretty interesting things that could be compared to Nazis/Hitler, minus the mass murder and genocide -- I hope!:)
No, no no no. We should respond, intelligently and rationally. Responding to such garbage with intelligence discredits THEM, not US.
Just look at the SCO coverage. The most reasoned arguments on/. get modded up to 5, and the media occassionally (not often enough though) picks up on these responses.
Do US companies have "the contracts?" From what I understand, Iraq is going to sell oil to whomever they damn-well please, and I haven't heard of any major US oil contracts with Iraq.
I don't know what the US's motivations truly were, but we're dumping a lot of money, I doubt it was really in our economic interests. That's not to say that it might not be in the interests of some companies, though, companies which may have been able to exert some political influence.
Also, a lot of people died in Iraq every year since Saddam has been in power. Saddam's regime has murdered tens of thousands of his own people, and after Saddam one of his (possibly even more brutal) sons was set to take power. That doesn't make the US right, like I said, I don't know what the real motivation was, but it sure is a damn good thing that Saddam is gone.
The US was far down the list on takers of oil from the "food for oil" program. France, OTOH, was doing "normal" business with Iraq, against the UN sanctions, as was Russia. In fact, Chirac would greet Saddam as, "Saddam my friend."
Ya see, that's why everyone needs to pull their fucking heads out of their asses and realize that none of our western governments are really all that great. Our governments are a bit nicer than those "terrorist" middle-eastern states, mostly because we have some amount of freedom in our own countries.
Ok, did you have dma set to on with his IDE drive? With that much difference between the tests, my guess would be no. The difference can be an order of magnitude sometimes.
Likewise, cutting off your hand is not as painful as disembowling yourself, but I would still rather just eat breakfast. Hence the reason I avoid such crap.
I thought I was pretty clear that touching GConf is really not necessary. Less than 1% of people would ever need to use it. I use it for 2 settings, and they're things that KDE doesn't even allow at all.
Don't make fucking mountains out of molehils... Sheesh...
I really don't think looking identical is what is needed for integration. As an example, WinAmp integrates excellently with Windows.
Hmmm... Did you consider that maybe I was being sarcastic? And no, I disagree about WinAmp, I think it's an eyesore. KDE and GNOME both have better integrated music players, albeit less powerful at this point.
I'm guessing he means as in 'every option on the system'. Not that it's that far, but Appearance and Desktop are only the first two minor sections. So, we have panel functionality, backgrounds, colors, themes, feedback, desktops, window behavior, and all that stuff there. Then there's desktop sharing, e-mail functionality, LAN browsing/chatting, web browsing (including all its subsections), personal information, file manager functionality, mime-types functionality, spell-checking, session management, X display, keyboards and mice, printers, sound playback, system notification, boot manager configuration, date/time, font management, linux kernel setup, login management, default paths for many basic locations, cryptography, password feedback, accesibility, reqion settings, and about a dozen other things. And, yes, all of those things are actually configurable by KDE. That isn't just colors, fonts, and keybindings. Actually, I never mentioned keybindings. You can also configure keybindings.
Yes, no friggin kidding. GNOME does most of this too...
I'm not a programmer very often, but how do 'C++ bindings' equate to 'kioslaves, kparts, dcop, arts and qt' seeing as those do have C++ bindings. Not saying the parent wasn't wrong with that 'Gnome gives you obsolete c' line, but I don't think you exactly refuted his point, either.
GNOME does have equivalents for most of that, but yes, it's not quite as nice in many respects, although in some it's nicer these days. But the point is, you don't have to use "ugly" C interfaces for everything.
That's the most valid reason on Earth to be using anything. So please drop the would-be technical comparisons that GNOME can't and won't win because it's just fucking not designed to, dammit. Go back to writing the freaking best code you can, and let people enjoy GNOME if GNOME is what they enjoy. Blind zealotry turns people -away-, you know?
WTF are you talking about? I responded to a post spouting blind zealotry against GNOME and making a false technical comparison! I'm not a damn zealot, I like and use both!
1) The file dialog.
KDE 0.x ALPHAs had a better file dialog than gnome! Today, the KDE one is the best file dialgog in existance, with influence from all desktops.
Yes, KDE's file dialog is superior to GNOME's. This is the one thing that I find annoying.
2) More apps!
KDE comes with over 150 Apps in the full install, with applications for all fields, plus its sleak integration with non kde apps (eg gimp, openoffice) make things more consistant.
KDE comes with over 150 apps that are mostly worthless, really. GNOME comes with most of the same functionality, a nice terminal, web browser, pdf viewer, calculator, etc. GNOME also has the best OS spreadsheet in existence.
As for integration, KDE's "make other apps use KDE colors" hack is disgusting. If you want "integration," -- if by integration you mean widgets that look the same -- use Geramik, Bluecurve, or Mandrake's whatever-it's-called.
3) Configureable as hell.
The KDE control center has loads of knobs/dials/sliders and boxes to fiddle with, yet keeps things elegent. In gnome, half the options don't exisit and you are rudley told "use gconf-editor n00b by gnome zealots" (not joking about this, telling the truth gets you a -1, troll and footnotes).
Yes, KDE is pretty configurable -- if by configurable you mean you can change colors, fonts, and keybindings. You can do the same with GNOME, without touching GConf. For some more advanced tweakage, you will need to use GConf, which is pretty easy(not near as painful as windows's regedit).
5) Its development framework rocks.
Take a good look at kioslaves, kparts, dcop, arts and qt and see why KDE is a programmer's dream. Modern c++, wonderful IDE, powerful command line scripting. Gnome gives you obsolete c, with a bunch of kludge libraries such as glib, Orbit, bonobo to hack together a application.
GNOME has C++ bindings for everything you need.
6)The defacto choice on Linux. All major Distributions support it by default.
Yeah, and Windows is the defacto OS on x86, what's your point? However, several of those distros also support GNOME, and RH is pretty nice on desktops too.
No kidding, FreeBSD sure looks very positive in your benchmarks. Net/Open look like they need to get moving, or try to work with the FreeBSD group to merge their improvements, as they're way behind, performance-wise anyway. Linux 2.4 looks ok, and 2.6 looks great.
You even said that you weren't sure what was going on with the FreeBSD tests, but didn't think it too important, so what are folks complaining about?
Madness I tell you! Madness!
When you get the time, I hope you do more of this bench testing, as I find it very interesting. I'd like to see how the stable FreeBSD branch compares.
So there's a debate raging on about the security of the nations voting systems, and Diebold claims copyright ownership of some leaked evidence? Is it even possible for correspondence to be copyrighted? If so, isn't the security of the nation just a little bit more important?
Does it matter that the correspondence seems to have been intentionally leaked by someone at Diebold? It just seems ludicrous for Diebold to claim copyright ownership of correspondence, especially correspondence that was made public by someone at Diebold.
I was skeptical before, but it seems more and more that something "fishy" is going on here...
Mr. Perens, I honestly generally have a ton of respect for you, but on this, I have to say, "Cram it some place dark!"
Sorry for being crude.
Seriously, I drink. I drink often. I drink responsibly. I don't drink and drive, etc. If I can't drink because my government screwed up, that pisses me off, just like when I can't do $foo when my government screws up.
But the real problem here is not the people who possibly can't drink for a couple days, not a big deal, and if it is maybe it's time for AA, the real problem here is the loss of business due to ridiculous government regulation and incompetence.
BTW, if you don't care, don't post... The fact that you did makes me think you have something against alcohol, and perhaps people who drink. Well, Bruce, I have always respected you, but I drink.
I saw Alien when I was about... oh 6 or 8. It scared the hell out of me, of course, and I had nightmares for years too.
Anyway, that movie gave me the creeps until my late teens after having seen it another 20 times or so. Great horror movie! I don't think there's any other films that have scared me that much.
Of course, even at such a young age, there was always something fun about having the shit scared out of you by a movie:)
I have a hard time playing games like Resident Evil and Silent Hill(some of the monsters are vey zombie-like). I guess I'm zombie-phobic, because they scare the shit outta me. So if I keep playing and get through them, I may be able to face real zombies a little easier?
If you are using the db a lot, pooling isn't going to be terribly helpful compared to persistent connections. Also, I can't imagine it would be too difficult to write code in PHP to handle pooling db connections, I started doing that in Perl a few years ago and dropped it because it wasn't beneficial. But it's not too hard...
Yup, can you say, "Duh!" I can't believe I still hear this bullshit about strict typing all the time like it's some kind of fuckin' magic bullet that makes everything maintainable. What a load of shit, there are so many more design decisions that affect the maintainability of a project than whether the language is strictly typed of not.
Does strict typing help? Sure, it can, but it's not going to make or break the maintainability of a project.
I write code that's just as shitty and unmaintainable in C/C++ and Java as my Perl code. I have also, on occasion and when necessary, written Perl code that is elegant and maintainable.
You do not need strict typing for large projects, that is the mantra of people who do not know Perl, PHP, Python, etc. well enough to have a valid opinion about the matter.
I have never found that lack of strict typing damages maintainability.
Besides, 100,000 lines of PHP, Perl, or Python probably does the equivalent of 1,000,000 lines of Java, so it's not a good comparison in the first place.
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I didn't see it yesterday, and I find it pretty interesting that Microsoft would have the gall to make such ridiculous statements.
The fact is, Microsoft is being extremely hypocritical. That's certainly something a lot of people here are interested in discussing.
Besides, there's reasons to like Linux other than its technical merits, there's also the fact that it's free, and it's free. People who choose Linux partly based on those merits are often erroneously called zealots, but those merits allow you to do more with Linux than you would be able to otherwise. Many people fail to understand that, or simply refuse to.
There is more to the Nazis and Hitler than murder, there is organizational structures, propaganda, and forms of "brainwashing."
I don't know about McRosoft, but I've heard of companies that do some pretty interesting things that could be compared to Nazis/Hitler, minus the mass murder and genocide -- I hope! :)
Cheers!
This is excellent, the jokes about this are going rejuvenate the humor on /., so now we'll have more than just the old "in Soviet Russia" stuff.
However, in this case... Heh, maybe I should rethink that :)
Just look at the SCO coverage. The most reasoned arguments on /. get modded up to 5, and the media occassionally (not often enough though) picks up on these responses.
That is a GOOD thing.
Seriously, that is just absolutely hilarious! I think it's pretty obvious how much the anti-OSS folks are grasping at straws.
Cheers.
I don't know what the US's motivations truly were, but we're dumping a lot of money, I doubt it was really in our economic interests. That's not to say that it might not be in the interests of some companies, though, companies which may have been able to exert some political influence.
Also, a lot of people died in Iraq every year since Saddam has been in power. Saddam's regime has murdered tens of thousands of his own people, and after Saddam one of his (possibly even more brutal) sons was set to take power. That doesn't make the US right, like I said, I don't know what the real motivation was, but it sure is a damn good thing that Saddam is gone.
The US was far down the list on takers of oil from the "food for oil" program. France, OTOH, was doing "normal" business with Iraq, against the UN sanctions, as was Russia. In fact, Chirac would greet Saddam as, "Saddam my friend."
Ya see, that's why everyone needs to pull their fucking heads out of their asses and realize that none of our western governments are really all that great. Our governments are a bit nicer than those "terrorist" middle-eastern states, mostly because we have some amount of freedom in our own countries.
Sheesh, smell the damn coffee folks...
I thought I was pretty clear that touching GConf is really not necessary. Less than 1% of people would ever need to use it. I use it for 2 settings, and they're things that KDE doesn't even allow at all.
Don't make fucking mountains out of molehils... Sheesh...
I really don't think looking identical is what is needed for integration. As an example, WinAmp integrates excellently with Windows.
Hmmm... Did you consider that maybe I was being sarcastic? And no, I disagree about WinAmp, I think it's an eyesore. KDE and GNOME both have better integrated music players, albeit less powerful at this point.
I'm guessing he means as in 'every option on the system'. Not that it's that far, but Appearance and Desktop are only the first two minor sections. So, we have panel functionality, backgrounds, colors, themes, feedback, desktops, window behavior, and all that stuff there. Then there's desktop sharing, e-mail functionality, LAN browsing/chatting, web browsing (including all its subsections), personal information, file manager functionality, mime-types functionality, spell-checking, session management, X display, keyboards and mice, printers, sound playback, system notification, boot manager configuration, date/time, font management, linux kernel setup, login management, default paths for many basic locations, cryptography, password feedback, accesibility, reqion settings, and about a dozen other things. And, yes, all of those things are actually configurable by KDE. That isn't just colors, fonts, and keybindings. Actually, I never mentioned keybindings. You can also configure keybindings.
Yes, no friggin kidding. GNOME does most of this too...
I'm not a programmer very often, but how do 'C++ bindings' equate to 'kioslaves, kparts, dcop, arts and qt' seeing as those do have C++ bindings. Not saying the parent wasn't wrong with that 'Gnome gives you obsolete c' line, but I don't think you exactly refuted his point, either.
GNOME does have equivalents for most of that, but yes, it's not quite as nice in many respects, although in some it's nicer these days. But the point is, you don't have to use "ugly" C interfaces for everything.
First, please don't fuck kids.
Oh, please don't reduce yourself to my level.
but it did have much accuracy in it.
No, it was almost entirely innacurate flaimbait.
WTF are you talking about? I responded to a post spouting blind zealotry against GNOME and making a false technical comparison! I'm not a damn zealot, I like and use both!
Damn...
Yes, KDE's file dialog is superior to GNOME's. This is the one thing that I find annoying.
2) More apps! KDE comes with over 150 Apps in the full install, with applications for all fields, plus its sleak integration with non kde apps (eg gimp, openoffice) make things more consistant.
KDE comes with over 150 apps that are mostly worthless, really. GNOME comes with most of the same functionality, a nice terminal, web browser, pdf viewer, calculator, etc. GNOME also has the best OS spreadsheet in existence.
As for integration, KDE's "make other apps use KDE colors" hack is disgusting. If you want "integration," -- if by integration you mean widgets that look the same -- use Geramik, Bluecurve, or Mandrake's whatever-it's-called.
3) Configureable as hell. The KDE control center has loads of knobs/dials/sliders and boxes to fiddle with, yet keeps things elegent. In gnome, half the options don't exisit and you are rudley told "use gconf-editor n00b by gnome zealots" (not joking about this, telling the truth gets you a -1, troll and footnotes).
Yes, KDE is pretty configurable -- if by configurable you mean you can change colors, fonts, and keybindings. You can do the same with GNOME, without touching GConf. For some more advanced tweakage, you will need to use GConf, which is pretty easy(not near as painful as windows's regedit).
5) Its development framework rocks. Take a good look at kioslaves, kparts, dcop, arts and qt and see why KDE is a programmer's dream. Modern c++, wonderful IDE, powerful command line scripting. Gnome gives you obsolete c, with a bunch of kludge libraries such as glib, Orbit, bonobo to hack together a application.
GNOME has C++ bindings for everything you need.
6)The defacto choice on Linux. All major Distributions support it by default.
Yeah, and Windows is the defacto OS on x86, what's your point? However, several of those distros also support GNOME, and RH is pretty nice on desktops too.
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Please stop this nonsense, just stop it.
Fucking kids...
And advertising that you sell mattresses that you think are better than Serta mattresses doesn't dilute the trademark either.
Welcome to the dark ages of information, pretty soon you will need permission to speak.
You even said that you weren't sure what was going on with the FreeBSD tests, but didn't think it too important, so what are folks complaining about?
Madness I tell you! Madness!
When you get the time, I hope you do more of this bench testing, as I find it very interesting. I'd like to see how the stable FreeBSD branch compares.
Does it matter that the correspondence seems to have been intentionally leaked by someone at Diebold? It just seems ludicrous for Diebold to claim copyright ownership of correspondence, especially correspondence that was made public by someone at Diebold.
I was skeptical before, but it seems more and more that something "fishy" is going on here...
Sorry for being crude.
Seriously, I drink. I drink often. I drink responsibly. I don't drink and drive, etc. If I can't drink because my government screwed up, that pisses me off, just like when I can't do $foo when my government screws up.
But the real problem here is not the people who possibly can't drink for a couple days, not a big deal, and if it is maybe it's time for AA, the real problem here is the loss of business due to ridiculous government regulation and incompetence.
BTW, if you don't care, don't post... The fact that you did makes me think you have something against alcohol, and perhaps people who drink. Well, Bruce, I have always respected you, but I drink.
Anyway, that movie gave me the creeps until my late teens after having seen it another 20 times or so. Great horror movie! I don't think there's any other films that have scared me that much.
Of course, even at such a young age, there was always something fun about having the shit scared out of you by a movie :)
Cheers
Does strict typing help? Sure, it can, but it's not going to make or break the maintainability of a project.
I write code that's just as shitty and unmaintainable in C/C++ and Java as my Perl code. I have also, on occasion and when necessary, written Perl code that is elegant and maintainable.
I have never found that lack of strict typing damages maintainability.
Besides, 100,000 lines of PHP, Perl, or Python probably does the equivalent of 1,000,000 lines of Java, so it's not a good comparison in the first place.