True and True. That is why letting the Linux users take care of it them self worked so well. They could get that part of the market and at the same time not have to pay to maintain the software. Now they broke it until someone figures it out. Honestly I'm just really interested in why. Was it deliberate or just a by product of something else they were trying to do? Do they really consider Linux such a small part of the market that they plan to ignore it forever? Dell, HP, IBM, and AMD don't, why does Apple?...eh...whatever, I might just be making a big deal out of nothing.
I agree but that does not make me any less pissed that they did it. They should know that Linux users are a chunk of the market. If they want to keep their interface so closed they should make an iTunes for Linux. Hell, OS X is unix. Is it THAT damn hard? At lest give us a closed source binary lib to talk to the iPod.
I was referring mostly to Dell, HP and IBM. They have all made an effort to start selling Linux with their computers. Also, ATI just opened their specs. I don't think this would have happened if not for Linux people being pissed that there were no good ATI drivers for Linux. I guess I should have said "with all the companies..." but the way I look at it companies only move if people have moved.
Yes but with all the people making moves to Linux lately it makes more sense that they are looking in to it. Plus porting from windows to Linux is allot like to porting from windows to OS X. I had a "programing C in Unix" class that focused on porting from one *nix distro to another. OS X was one of the *nixes we ported to. I bet this is an effort to port to OS X and Linux.
I tried that. They mange to find things that get past all of that. They tend to get one or two things a year. I can and do fix them but they never fully recover. The computer is always just a bit slower then it was. Because of the WGA stopping updates I'm afraid to do a reinstall, I only have one XP install disk and it might have been used to many times. On top of that my parents would never want to pay for a copy of XP. It's just easer for me if I give them Ubuntu. Like I said, doing this is not the right choice for everyone, but it works for me.
If BoA has a policy to buy from shady resellers that preinstall pirated copies, then that is a bad policy on their corporate side. The WGA has messed up in the past (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070124-8690.html) there is no reason for this to be any different.
We can probably assume privilege elevation is involved. No one worries about virus catching, CTRL+ALT+DEL. Why worry about this? Because it CAN happen. It sounds allot like something the next Sony root kit would love to get it's hands on.
So MS is only allowed to make some invisible ceiling of money, then what, its just unseemly for them to continue doing business? They should give away all copies of the operating system? No one said that. They should however concern them self with what is important. Keeping vista running, even if pirated, should be more important then stopping it from running over a small sum of money they don't need to stay in business. Allot of people who pirate software eventually buy a copy of it.
Windows whether liked or not has earned the reputation of just working. Well not if they keep this up. Also some people tend to think that windows got where it is because of piracy.http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/15/1933254 Using this might very well hurt Microsoft, not help.
It's been like 5 years in a row that it was supposed to be the year of Linux. This might not be the year of Linux. But Dell and others have started shipping Ubuntu so I think that counts for something.
On top of that think about how difficult it now is to fix a computer with windows on it. Most people get their XP boxes to the point where anything less then a reinstall is pointless. Now after a reinstall you would have to worry about if the computer is going to become a brick or not. Now add on to that how little the average user does on a computer. The option of Ubuntu starts to look damn good. When I get the chance I plan to replace XP on my parents box with Ubuntu. The computer has just become unusable and I long ago introduced them to Open Office and Firefox, The only two programs they use.
A year ago I would not have considered a switch to Linux for them a joke but now with how easy Ubuntu is and how hard it is to keep XP safe from the non technical it seems like a good plan. I'm definitely not saying this is an option for everyone, But it's starting to get there. However, I think that people will start to realize this next year. It tends to take some time before people start making changes like this.
Why can't they just let people whatever OS they want in peace? Becuase microsoft has a monopoly with windows and that hurts every one who does not use windows.
1) The big difference is that direct3D is made by MS. So it is only on windows. OpenGL however is on OSX, windows, and Linux. Any game that is made with direct3D is likely to only be supported on windows. The advantages change back and forth with every update but for the most part MS can push people to use directX so that they are forced to keep the games on windows. The smart game companies know this is a bad idea but the little ones can't afford to do anything about it.
2) People try to do that all the time. It's just not that easy and tends to not catch on. I don't know if this http://www.libsdl.org/
is the SDL that you are talking about but that is an attempt at doing just what you said. Java also started out with a similar goal in mind
My experience with Logitech hasn't exactly been stellar.
Really? I have never had any problems with Logitech what so ever in the past few years. To the point where I only buy Logitech stuff. The same is true for my friends. What logitech stuff have you guys had problems with? I've never used anything from Slim Devices but I would think that this would be good for them. Logicitech should have the power and money to make what ever they make even better or at the very lest cheaper and easier to find.
Look in to that some more. As it turns out N realized that they were idiots on that one. In fact they gave away a few free games cubes to the site owner as an apology.
I think this is good news. Not because I'm looking for job security but because there are FAR to many CS majors out there who are CS majors because they couldn't decide on anything better. They figure "I like to use my computer, I should get a job dealing with computers." Meanwhile they have never programmed and couldn't care less about trouble shooting anyone's PC but there own. I'm in college now and I know 3 people who dropped CS as a major because they found out that they hate it after a year of studding it.
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything like that but I need to know...If "Guns are not designed to kill." what are they designed to do? I can't think of anything logical that they are used for other then killing.
Instead of trying to squeeze every last dollar from us citizens, why doesnt the government sue the bejeezus out of corporations.
Because we HAVE to pay them, but corporations can do it under the table and give them FAR more then what we do in taxes. So they can have there cake and eat it too, IF they say what the corporations want them to.
Very true but Blu-ray with duble sides and duble layer in a drive like that is 100 gigs of info that you can get at all at the same time..... When/If they come out with blu-ray disks you could write to (Blu-Ray-R?)that kind of storage would be able to go a long way. Even considering how big files are getting. I've honestly wondered why no one has made a dubble sided DVD reader. Any one know? Do they think it's just not worth it?
Remember Microsoft's hypocritical FUD about "Who's liable for Linux?" How about the situations where the community can't sue for slander or libel? Or other situations where the community can't make it's voice heard in the legal system?
It does not matter if Linux gets slandered. The tech people out there who make the decisions and or suggestions know what's FUD and what's not. Linux is used more and more not because IBM or other company is saying how good it is but because tech people hear about it from other tech people and then they try it out and find that it has advantages over other things they could be using. And any PHB that believes all that FUD and has the power to make the choice on what OS is used will either change his tune in the future when more and more people use Linux or get fired because he clearly does not know how to trust the people who know tech.
diddo. Unlike my last Fedora install. Does anybody know why it seems to work perfect all the time and other distros don't? Or am I wrong and it gets messed up on other peoples PCs?
I totally agree. I feel that is the ONLY thing holding Linux back from kicking windows out of most PCs just like Firefox kicked off IE. (I know firefox is still not on most PCs but it is DEFFENTLY on it's way to being there.) I SO desperately wish that someone would just make a Linux distro that was as easy as windows when it comes to just jumping in to it. I love to be able to do what ever I want to Linux but you CAN NOT just jump in to it. I know some of you will say 'but I just installed it on my [insert relative here] and they can use it just fine', but are they installing things? Using more then just a web browser? Gaming at all? It's getting better all the time but it's still not able to be just given to someone with no intro.
I've been hearing a lot of complaints lately
GOOD. Use this. Tell people what he is doing and how it will hurt them. Get together with a bunch of other people who dislike him and try to do something to get him out of office. I'm sure that allot of people here and other places would love to help you do this. He is one of the people most hated here at/. I know it's allot to ask but at the very lest tell someone else to do this so we can get this nut out of office.
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True and True. That is why letting the Linux users take care of it them self worked so well. They could get that part of the market and at the same time not have to pay to maintain the software. Now they broke it until someone figures it out. Honestly I'm just really interested in why. Was it deliberate or just a by product of something else they were trying to do? Do they really consider Linux such a small part of the market that they plan to ignore it forever? Dell, HP, IBM, and AMD don't, why does Apple? ...eh...whatever, I might just be making a big deal out of nothing.
I never said a BIG chunk but it clearly is there. If it was not this story would not be a story.
If they made an iTunes for Linux they could sell some songs to Linux users. They would MAKE money not lose it.
I agree but that does not make me any less pissed that they did it. They should know that Linux users are a chunk of the market. If they want to keep their interface so closed they should make an iTunes for Linux. Hell, OS X is unix. Is it THAT damn hard? At lest give us a closed source binary lib to talk to the iPod.
I was referring mostly to Dell, HP and IBM. They have all made an effort to start selling Linux with their computers. Also, ATI just opened their specs. I don't think this would have happened if not for Linux people being pissed that there were no good ATI drivers for Linux. I guess I should have said "with all the companies..." but the way I look at it companies only move if people have moved.
Yes but with all the people making moves to Linux lately it makes more sense that they are looking in to it. Plus porting from windows to Linux is allot like to porting from windows to OS X. I had a "programing C in Unix" class that focused on porting from one *nix distro to another. OS X was one of the *nixes we ported to. I bet this is an effort to port to OS X and Linux.
God I hope so. I'm sick of dual booting and Cedega is a pain. I for one welcome our new Linux gaming overloards.
I tried that. They mange to find things that get past all of that. They tend to get one or two things a year. I can and do fix them but they never fully recover. The computer is always just a bit slower then it was. Because of the WGA stopping updates I'm afraid to do a reinstall, I only have one XP install disk and it might have been used to many times. On top of that my parents would never want to pay for a copy of XP. It's just easer for me if I give them Ubuntu. Like I said, doing this is not the right choice for everyone, but it works for me.
On top of that think about how difficult it now is to fix a computer with windows on it. Most people get their XP boxes to the point where anything less then a reinstall is pointless. Now after a reinstall you would have to worry about if the computer is going to become a brick or not. Now add on to that how little the average user does on a computer. The option of Ubuntu starts to look damn good. When I get the chance I plan to replace XP on my parents box with Ubuntu. The computer has just become unusable and I long ago introduced them to Open Office and Firefox, The only two programs they use.
A year ago I would not have considered a switch to Linux for them a joke but now with how easy Ubuntu is and how hard it is to keep XP safe from the non technical it seems like a good plan. I'm definitely not saying this is an option for everyone, But it's starting to get there. However, I think that people will start to realize this next year. It tends to take some time before people start making changes like this.
1) The big difference is that direct3D is made by MS. So it is only on windows. OpenGL however is on OSX, windows, and Linux. Any game that is made with direct3D is likely to only be supported on windows. The advantages change back and forth with every update but for the most part MS can push people to use directX so that they are forced to keep the games on windows. The smart game companies know this is a bad idea but the little ones can't afford to do anything about it.
2) People try to do that all the time. It's just not that easy and tends to not catch on. I don't know if this http://www.libsdl.org/ is the SDL that you are talking about but that is an attempt at doing just what you said. Java also started out with a similar goal in mind
My experience with Logitech hasn't exactly been stellar.
Really? I have never had any problems with Logitech what so ever in the past few years. To the point where I only buy Logitech stuff. The same is true for my friends. What logitech stuff have you guys had problems with? I've never used anything from Slim Devices but I would think that this would be good for them. Logicitech should have the power and money to make what ever they make even better or at the very lest cheaper and easier to find.
Look in to that some more. As it turns out N realized that they were idiots on that one. In fact they gave away a few free games cubes to the site owner as an apology.
I think this is good news. Not because I'm looking for job security but because there are FAR to many CS majors out there who are CS majors because they couldn't decide on anything better. They figure "I like to use my computer, I should get a job dealing with computers." Meanwhile they have never programmed and couldn't care less about trouble shooting anyone's PC but there own. I'm in college now and I know 3 people who dropped CS as a major because they found out that they hate it after a year of studding it.
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I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything like that but I need to know...If "Guns are not designed to kill." what are they designed to do? I can't think of anything logical that they are used for other then killing.
Instead of trying to squeeze every last dollar from us citizens, why doesnt the government sue the bejeezus out of corporations.
Because we HAVE to pay them, but corporations can do it under the table and give them FAR more then what we do in taxes. So they can have there cake and eat it too, IF they say what the corporations want them to.
Whatever happened to freedom of speech?
It's getting outsourced. With people like this guy we can't afford it anymore.
Very true but Blu-ray with duble sides and duble layer in a drive like that is 100 gigs of info that you can get at all at the same time..... When/If they come out with blu-ray disks you could write to (Blu-Ray-R?)that kind of storage would be able to go a long way. Even considering how big files are getting. I've honestly wondered why no one has made a dubble sided DVD reader. Any one know? Do they think it's just not worth it?
Remember Microsoft's hypocritical FUD about "Who's liable for Linux?" How about the situations where the community can't sue for slander or libel? Or other situations where the community can't make it's voice heard in the legal system?
It does not matter if Linux gets slandered. The tech people out there who make the decisions and or suggestions know what's FUD and what's not. Linux is used more and more not because IBM or other company is saying how good it is but because tech people hear about it from other tech people and then they try it out and find that it has advantages over other things they could be using. And any PHB that believes all that FUD and has the power to make the choice on what OS is used will either change his tune in the future when more and more people use Linux or get fired because he clearly does not know how to trust the people who know tech.
diddo. Unlike my last Fedora install. Does anybody know why it seems to work perfect all the time and other distros don't? Or am I wrong and it gets messed up on other peoples PCs?
I totally agree. I feel that is the ONLY thing holding Linux back from kicking windows out of most PCs just like Firefox kicked off IE. (I know firefox is still not on most PCs but it is DEFFENTLY on it's way to being there.) I SO desperately wish that someone would just make a Linux distro that was as easy as windows when it comes to just jumping in to it. I love to be able to do what ever I want to Linux but you CAN NOT just jump in to it. I know some of you will say 'but I just installed it on my [insert relative here] and they can use it just fine', but are they installing things? Using more then just a web browser? Gaming at all? It's getting better all the time but it's still not able to be just given to someone with no intro.
I totally agree but...
Ted Turner is founder of CNN and chairman of Turner Enterprises.
It looks like he's out to take down fox as the top news network then to help inform the people...
fp?
I've been hearing a lot of complaints lately /. I know it's allot to ask but at the very lest tell someone else to do this so we can get this nut out of office.
GOOD. Use this. Tell people what he is doing and how it will hurt them. Get together with a bunch of other people who dislike him and try to do something to get him out of office. I'm sure that allot of people here and other places would love to help you do this. He is one of the people most hated here at